This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BruceMcDowall27 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2120.5.1.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Further to my previous message, you can see what Ailsa posted by viewing the archives of the Mailing List at: http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE.html The URL for that particular posting is: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE/2013-02/1361316448 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BruceMcDowall27 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2120.5.1.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Donald, Using another account, I previously asked: "Were the parents of John McHARRIE the dyer, John McHARRIE & Isabella CAMPBELL?" This question should have read: "Were the parents of John McHARRIE b abt 1813, John McHARRIE the dyer & Isabella CAMPBELL?" The reason I asked is that I found the following death registration, which appears to fit: Stoneykirk deaths 1863 No 18: Isablla McHARRIE, Widow of John McHARRIE, Farmer 1863, March Twenty fifth, 2 hrs A.M., Clachanmore F 75 years Robert CAMPBELL, Farmer (deceased), Isabella CAMPBELL, M.S. NIBLOE (deceased) Debility, Some Months, As Certified by C.M. ROSS M.D. Stonykirk (sic) Robert McHARRIE, Son (Present) 1863, March 25th, At Stonykirk, Thomas KENNEDY, Registrar This has John McHARRIE snr as a farmer, but he may have been both farmer and dyer. Everything else fits well. This is also supported by Ailsa, who has posted a message to the Wigtownshire Mailing List re her ancestor William McHARRY. Regards, Bruce Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Have made a photocopy of a Sasine dated Sept 17, 1746 for John MUIR, Schoolmaster in Stranraer and brother German to Robert MUIR, Cuttler in Ayr. The handwriting is not too difficult to read but is in the old 'Bishops Hand' type writing. There is a half page of writing. Send inquiry if interested, you'll get THREE JPGs, as I took 3 shots of it with my digital camera so all of it would hopefully show clearly. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA [posting to Ayrshire List also]

Hello! I am a new subscriber to the Wigtownshire list and am hoping to confirm and expand upon what I believe are family roots in the county. My ggg-grandfather was Robert John Clarke. He first appears in a U.S. Census in 1850 in Jefferson County, Kentucky, living with his parents Robert and Agnes Clark. He is listed as 21 months old. All three are listed as born in Scotland. In searching the Scotland's People site, I find a Robert Clark, born June 4, 1848, in Glengyre to John Clark and Agnes Dinwoodie; he was baptized July 25, 1848, in Kirkcolm Parish. I've also found a Robert Clarke, age 8 months and born in Scotland, arriving in New York City on Oct. 29, 1849, sailing from Liverpool. He is with a woman, Mary Clarke, age 25, of Scotland. Maybe she is a Mary Agnes? Maybe father John is on an earlier ship, looking for work? There are *many* John Clarks in the immigrations records, so I haven't gone down that path yet. John and Agnes had another child, Margaret (Maggie) in 1853 in Kentucky. I do not know when John died; however, Agnes married a William Bacon in 1857 in Kentucky. Robert John Clarke died in Evansville, Indiana, July 28, 1884. I am trying to learn anything about John, Agnes and Robert from their time in Wigtownshire. Any hints, tips, suggestions are more than welcome! Thank you. Kim -- *Kim Clarke* Director of Executive Communications Office of the Vice President for Global Communications University of Michigan 734-763-5800

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kdclarke1 Surnames: Clark(e) Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/648.7.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I would love to join your mailing list. My ggg-grandfather was Robert John Clarke. I believe he is the same Robert Clark was born June 4, 1848, in Glengyne and baptized July 25, 1848, in Kirkcolm Parish. Parents were John Clark and Agnes Dinwoodie. Thank you. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi I'm in charge of the publications of the D&G FHS and we're going to re-print Portpatrick MIs.... this time both old and new graveyards are in the one booklet. The Old Kirkyard MIs were first published in 1995 ...has anyone got missing information or corrections for any of the entries? My second plea is for a photograph of the old bell tower in the Old Kirkyard ...I'm looking for a photograph to put on the cover of the new booklet. Access to the tower area is now forbidden for 'health and safety' reasons :-( Irene

I have McHARRIEs connecting into my family tree way back in the 1820s. My 2X great grandfather's sister Jean DOUGLAS married a William(?) McHARRIE. Their sister Elizabeth DOUGLAS married Robert McNEILLIE (McNEELIE) in 1824 and their daughter Martha McNEILLIE married William McHARRIE clerk of works to the Earl of Stair. William and Martha's fourth son was called Robert Campbell McHARRIE which might tie in with Bruce's post about a CAMPBELL link. Below is as much as I can read from a photo I took of William McHARRIE's grave in Stoneykirk graveyard. (The stone is in very good order but the sun on the photo has obstructed some of the words.) "Erected ( ) a number of friends (in) memory of William McHarrie Clerk of Works to the Earl of Stair who died 22 September 1865 aged 48 (?) years His eldest son William McHarrie accountant Stranraer died 22 December 1886 aged 32 (?) years His fourth son Robert Campbell McHarrie manager Canadian (Band?) of Commerce died at Peterboro Ontario Canada 6(?) January 1902(?) His wife Martha McNeillie died at Stranraer 22 January 1898(?) aged 74 years Alexander McHarrie sixth son died 30th July 191(4?) aged 48(?) The ( ) of Subscriptions was presented to his family as a mark of respect (to?) their father." Regards Ailsa -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sct-wigtownshire-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, 19 February 2013 7:01 PM To: sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Subject: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 21 **************************************************************************** **** When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. 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Re: John McHarrie, Scotland (gc-gateway@rootsweb.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 15:31:36 -0000 From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] John McHarrie, Scotland To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1361201498.216151@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: NutmegGreenwood Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2120.5. 1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: For those AGES in the 1841 Census, did you take into account the instructions for recording down of those ages ? Anyone OVER 15 was to have their age rounded DOWN to the year ending in a 5 or a 0. Ages 15-19 would be seen as 15. Ages 20-14 would be seen as 20. Ages 21-24 would be seen as being 20. That leaves the door open for someone to perhaps be 35 and report their age as 34....they'd then be RECORDED as being 30. I have a relative who was 50 in 1841 at the census [just had their 50th birthday], they reported to the Enumerator they were 44...making them show up as 40 on the census, a full 10 years off their correct age. How did they know anyone would ever be viewing these same documents long past their deaths ? Children's ages were supposed to be the actual age, however I've seen a few that were also rounded down, the Enumerator did not follow the instructions. Much better to use the 1851 Census for ages than the 1841 Census but still must use caution as there were quite a lot of creative ages given to Enumerators and not always by the subject themselves. Meg Greenwood in OKlahoma USA ====================================== ======================================== Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 16:03:51 -0000 From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Wigtownshire Families To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1361203432.219918@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: daniellemclean178 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/648.7.1 /mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Wayne, Would I be able to get on the Wigtownshore mailing list? I have some family there. Many Thanks Danielle Mclean Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 22:12:40 -0000 From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] John McHarrie, Scotland To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1361225561.268257@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tusitalacb Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2120.5. 1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Interesting. My grandmother's middle name was Isabella. Eliza Isabella McHarrie. She eloped and her married name was Barford and then she remarried and became Mrs Quinton. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2013 22:21:56 -0000 From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Wigtownshire Families To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1361226116.489933@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryrichson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/648.7.1 .1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Danielle, We'd love to have you join the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list, but your message board post doesn't provide us with enough information. Please write us privately at sct-wigtownshire-admin@rootsweb.com, and we'll help you get set up. Mary Richardson SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator mrichson@ix.netcom.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2013 05:08:09 -0000 From: "gc-gateway@rootsweb.com" <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] John McHarrie, Scotland To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <1361250490.520959@rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: milldriggan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2120.5. 1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Doanald, Were the parents of John McHARRIE the dyer, John McHARRIE & Isabella CAMPBELL? I don't see the John McHARRIE (b abt 1813) at Carngaan in the 1841 and 1851 census, in any later census, nor a matching death in Scottish civil records. Perhaps he emigrated, or died before 1855. There may be another means of assigning him as a son of the above couple. His daughter Euphemia shows up as a niece of John & Jane SPENCE at Ringuinea in 1871. Jane SPENCE is enumerated as Jane McHARRIE in the 1861 census, and is of suitable age to be a daughter of John McHARRIE & Isabella CAMPBELL. She died age 70, parish of Stoneykirk, in 1877. If you obtain her death registration from Scotlandspeople, you should be able to check if that is the case. Euphemia died age 35, parish of Stoneykirk, in 1879. I don't have a connection - my curiosity just got the better of me. Regards, Bruce Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. 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When reading a government census record from any year, you should always keep in mind the number of chances for errors to creep in. 1. The household sheets were filled out by one person who might or might not know the correct information. Often the only person in the family who could read/write was a child. If no one in the household could read/write then the sheet would be filled out by someone outside the household. The handwriting was usually poor. 2. The Enumerator took the sheets and transferred the information to his book. While he was better educated and usually has better handwriting (practice makes perfect), he copies what he sees or (as we do) what he can decipher. 3. We, or a transcriber, look at the image and try to decipher what was written. Poor ink quality can often make this process very frustrating. Prior to our modern age, people were seldom concerned with their age. No one ever asked them "How old are you?" or "When were you born?". It had no relevance in their lives. In Scotland, the important information was "Where were you born?" as that allowed parishes to know where to send the bill for your poor relief if needed. -- Jo-Ann Croft

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dmcharrie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2120.5.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank s Bruce - I will try that. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I assume that there are those in Scotland who are trying to track down their relatives who went to the United States. Just as ages change some in the reports in Scotland, so do they in the U.S. In the reports before 1850, there is a "tick" in a box that represents a five or ten year or more difference in age. One must take that into account. The child would be somewhere between 5 and 10 years old. The adult might be between 50 and 90. That's quite a span! In addition some folks lie. My best find (tho not Scottish) is a great aunt who starts out life at the birthdate I always thought she really was. But then, as a not-quite-so-young single lady living with her parents, she was suddenly listed as ten years younger than that. Two census periods later I found her married and back at her original age. Hmmmm. One does what one must do to remain young enough to be attractive to the local young men, apparently. Others I've seen shift about from 1 to 5 years, tho not quite so obviously as my aunt. So keep your eye open in the US too. Kristy Lawrie Gravlin (Lawrie-Anderson-Taylor-Bane) with (Hiddleson and Ferguson cousins) > > For those AGES in the 1841 Census, did you take into account the instructions > for recording down of those ages ? Anyone OVER 15 was to have their age > rounded DOWN to the year ending in a 5 or a 0. Ages 15-19 would be seen as > 15. Ages 20-14 would be seen as 20. Ages 21-24 would be seen as being 20. > That leaves the door open for someone to perhaps be 35 and report their age as > 34....they'd then be RECORDED as being 30. > > I have a relative who was 50 in 1841 at the census [just had their 50th > birthday], they reported to the Enumerator they were 44...making them show up > as 40 on the census, a full 10 years off their correct age. How did they know > anyone would ever be viewing these same documents long past their deaths ? > > Children's ages were supposed to be the actual age, however I've seen a few > that were also rounded down, the Enumerator did not follow the instructions. > Much better to use the 1851 Census for ages than the 1841 Census but still > must use caution as there were quite a lot of creative ages given to > Enumerators and not always by the subject themselves. Meg Greenwood in > OKlahoma USA > ====================================== > ========================================

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: milldriggan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2120.5.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Doanald, Were the parents of John McHARRIE the dyer, John McHARRIE & Isabella CAMPBELL? I don't see the John McHARRIE (b abt 1813) at Carngaan in the 1841 and 1851 census, in any later census, nor a matching death in Scottish civil records. Perhaps he emigrated, or died before 1855. There may be another means of assigning him as a son of the above couple. His daughter Euphemia shows up as a niece of John & Jane SPENCE at Ringuinea in 1871. Jane SPENCE is enumerated as Jane McHARRIE in the 1861 census, and is of suitable age to be a daughter of John McHARRIE & Isabella CAMPBELL. She died age 70, parish of Stoneykirk, in 1877. If you obtain her death registration from Scotlandspeople, you should be able to check if that is the case. Euphemia died age 35, parish of Stoneykirk, in 1879. I don't have a connection - my curiosity just got the better of me. Regards, Bruce Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryrichson Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/648.7.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Danielle, We'd love to have you join the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list, but your message board post doesn't provide us with enough information. Please write us privately at sct-wigtownshire-admin@rootsweb.com, and we'll help you get set up. Mary Richardson SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator mrichson@ix.netcom.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: tusitalacb Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2120.5.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Interesting. My grandmother's middle name was Isabella. Eliza Isabella McHarrie. She eloped and her married name was Barford and then she remarried and became Mrs Quinton. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: daniellemclean178 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/648.7.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Wayne, Would I be able to get on the Wigtownshore mailing list? I have some family there. Many Thanks Danielle Mclean Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: NutmegGreenwood Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2120.5.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: For those AGES in the 1841 Census, did you take into account the instructions for recording down of those ages ? Anyone OVER 15 was to have their age rounded DOWN to the year ending in a 5 or a 0. Ages 15-19 would be seen as 15. Ages 20-14 would be seen as 20. Ages 21-24 would be seen as being 20. That leaves the door open for someone to perhaps be 35 and report their age as 34....they'd then be RECORDED as being 30. I have a relative who was 50 in 1841 at the census [just had their 50th birthday], they reported to the Enumerator they were 44...making them show up as 40 on the census, a full 10 years off their correct age. How did they know anyone would ever be viewing these same documents long past their deaths ? Children's ages were supposed to be the actual age, however I've seen a few that were also rounded down, the Enumerator did not follow the instructions. Much better to use the 1851 Census for ages than the 1841 Census but still must use caution as there were quite a lot of creative ages given to Enumerators and not always by the subject themselves. Meg Greenwood in OKlahoma USA ====================================== ======================================== Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dmcharrie Surnames: McHarrie Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2120.5.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi I too have a John McHarrie, born abt 1784, his occupation is a Dyer. Living at Dyer's Mill, Kirkmabreck. In the parish of Stoneykirk. This is about 10 miles south of Stranraer. When I look at the census of 1841, what strikes me is the ages of him and wife Isabella, and the ages of the children they have living with them. I descend through Robert in that census. I have notice another John McHarrie, at East Cairngaan. In the same census, his age suggests to me he could be the son of John (the dyer). There is another John McHarrie (6months) living with a McMurray family. In a later census 1851. This John is with his father at East Cairngaan. I live in Stranraer itself, I know these places could be walked to with a few hours. Or a lot less by horse and cart. Today by car 15-20 minutes on these country roads. What I offer is not definite but a possibility. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

How can I find more information on a Robert Wallace, Jr who was a "writer to ye Signet" in 1728? David Coltrane, age 18, was apprenticed to him. Was Robert in Edinburgh at that point in time? My documented evidence indicates that David b. in Wigtownshire left for Colonies before 1738. I am trying to account for this portion of his life. Any ideas? Thanks. > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE mailing list, send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 18 > ***********************************************

re the Creebridge story in last weeks' Galloway Gazette sent in by Olive, this weeks issue has another story about, it ending in a question to which Olive may have the answer. The question was, was the weir built at the same time as the bridge or was it added later to aid the fishermen? Diana

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