Hey Listers, Thanks to brilliam Mary Richardson, I was able to get the picture of the Portpatrick kirk. Now can someone tell me is it the new one or the old one? It seems to "young" looking to be the old one? Are there remnants of the one one? AND where would it be and where may I get a photo of that one? Thanks Heather McGarey Straight Canada

Hi   Is there anyone searching the names Forsyth, Whannel & Jones?  "My " ones originated in Colmonell, Ayrshire                         before moving to Wigtownshire.  Anthony Forsyth was born abt 1790, Colmonell.  He married Janet Whannel, born abt 1801, Colmonell.  After Anthony's death Janet married James Jones in 1859, Colmonell. In the  1841 census Janet                 was a farmer in Arnimean, Colmonell, living with her children, Thomas, John, Margaret, Robert, Adam & Alexander. No mention of Anthony.  In the same census living in the neighbouring farm of Corwar were John Whannel, wife Margaret & children Thomas, Jean & John.          In 1851 Janet was a midwife living in Barrhill.   I have quite a bit on the Forsyth line (my husbands family), but if anyone has any information on the Jones side that would be great.     Mary

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: swresearch Surnames: Gordon, Adair Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1998.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: re: In the book "Galloway Gossips Sixty Years Ago" pub. 1877, by Maria Trotter, Saxon, Robert de Bruce Trotter. pp.103,104 (snippet) "....The Fingauls say that when King (..............? ) was engaged in the War of the Roses (c.1455-1485 ? ) a body of Gordons from the Stewartry (of Kirkcudbright) came down to The Rhinns to carry off the Heiress of The Clanyard, who was ward of Lord Adair of Kinhilt, (Rolland Adair - Kennedy ?)who kept her in this great castle, now called Drummore. His lordship got on top of Balgreggan Moat (Stoneykirk Parish) to count the Gordons, and he found there were too many for the number of soldiers he had at home ; so he sent the Heiress away to his sister, who had founded the ancient Abbey (chapel / convent ?) of Kirkmaiden at the Mull for Sir Andrew Agnew, and still lived in it." ...................... 218 ] GD141/237 Extract Disposition (reg. at Edin. 12 Sept. 1678) by John Gordon of Clonyard with consent of his son Alexander Gordon to Patrick McDowell of Logan, of the mill and mill lands of the "barony of Clonyard, called Portincorkie" (Parish of Kirkmaiden) as possessed by Patrick Adair, constituting William Yeaman advocate as procurator. At the Clonyard 11 Sep 1676. ........................ Were Drummore and Maryport in the Barony of Clonyard ? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Yesterday I wrote: << <Mr Glashan has also put up several other monuments at Stranraer - one in Ivy Place church yard, for Mr John McMaster, Caldons, Stoneykirk, in memory of his wife and children...> Although you have to wonder how Auld Johnnie did that, seeing as how he died 5 years before his wife, at any rate. Grave No. 34: Erected by Jessie McMaster in Memory of her father John McMaster weaver, Stranraer who died the 15th day of December, 1848 aged 65 years.> >> But as Diana points out, there is another John McMaster in Ivy Place - a younger one, and also no doubt the one referred to as the erector. In the words of Emily Litella, "Never mind!" Still, any information about John the Elder or Hugh McMaster in no. 35 would be welcomed by the subscriber.

Hi, John McMaster of Caldons and then Culhorn Mains had two wives. (with apologies to DGFHS) No 56 in St Andrews Church Burial Ground  DGFHS Booklet "Erected by John McMaster Caldons in memory of Sarah WILSON his wife who died 18th April 1862 aged 32 years.  And of William, their son, who died 1st April 1856 aged 2 months.  And of James their son, who died in infancy.  Also of William, their son, who died 13th July 1883 in Kimberley, South Africa aged 26 years. And of Peter Wilson, their son who died about 1st April 1887 on the Lebombo Mountains near Barberton, South Africa aged 27 years.  Also the above John McMaster who died at Culhorn Mains 4th Feby  1903 aged 79 years.  Also Jessie RALSTON wife of the above who died 9th Sept 1913 aged 80 years"  St. Andrews Church, Ivy Place at the moment is known as The Town Kirk, but shortly to be renamed. The graveyard is looked after by the town council.  Queries would be to the Burials Department, Stranraer Town Council, Stranraer.  Or to me if I can answer! It was interesting to learn who the sculptor was as it is not recorded in the DGFHS booklet, however in the photo I have of the stone there appears to be a mark at the bottom which would be the name of the sculptor.  I will try to have a look at it.  This is of interest to me because of the family connection. Diana

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnthonyMatthews68 Surnames: Mathews Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2160/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello: I am looking for more information on Henry Mathews. I believe this person may be my great, great, great grandfather. Looking for any relatives that he may have had in the area, marriage records, etc. WO 97/862/79 Born WHITEHORN, (Whithorn) Galloway Served in 74th Foot Regiment Disch. aged 21, 1825-1830 Many thanks, Anthony Matthews Stillwater Lake, Nova Scotia, Canada Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

<Mr Glashan has also put up several other monuments at Stranraer - one in Ivy Place church yard, for Mr John McMaster, Caldons, Stoneykirk, in memory of his wife and children...> Although you have to wonder how Auld Johnnie did that, seeing as how he died 5 years before his wife, at any rate. Grave No. 34: Erected by Jessie McMaster in Memory of her father John McMaster weaver, Stranraer who died the 15th day of December, 1848 aged 65 years. Also in memory of her niece Jessie McMaster who died 29th day of June, 1852 aged 13 years. Blessed are the dead which lie in the Lord. Also Mary L(ogg)ie, wife of John McMaster.........10th February, 1853 (ag)ed 74 years. And in memory of her niece Mary Motherwell who died 2nd December, 1871 aged 21 years and in memory of the erector of this stone Jessie McMaster who died 7th May, 1876 aged 69 years, Blessed are the dead------- I'm curious to know how the Hugh McMaster who died 6th June, 1818 aged 48 years in grave no. 35 is related to John. Who takes care of Ivy Place, and does anyone have contact information? <cue the crickets>

I wrote: Their eldest daughter, Elizabeth ANDERSON married James Brown LAWRIE in 1875 in St. Quivox Parish. He came to Illinois in 1882, and she came, bringing four sons (Jim, John, William, and Robert, ages 7, 5, 3, 1,) with her...and she was deathly ill for the whole trip. (William was my grandfather...Robert was my father...and I am Kristy.) Now that I look more carefully, one could get the impression that William was my grandfather (true) and that his brother Robert was my father (an impressive trick...and certainly not true!) William had a first son that he named after his brother...Robert. It was that Robert that was my father, of course. And I am still Kristy...the one and only. Sorry to confuse... Kristy

>From Stranraer and Wigtownshire Free Press February 21st 2013 " Way We Were" Thursday February 19, 1863 "Amongst the various improvements which have been going on in Wigtownshire for some time past, we observe that parties having the means of showing respect to their departed relatives, are now raising up splendid monuments over the graves of these relatives in the various church yards of the county. On Saturday last a very beautiful and chaste stone was put up in the church yard, Glenluce by Mr William McMaster, farmer, Challoch, in memory of his deceased parents and children. The stone was scuptured by Mr James McGlashan of Glasgow, and is really a beautiful piece of workmanship. Mr Glashan has also put up several other monuments at Stranraer - one in Ivy Place church yard, for Mr John McMaster, Caldons, Stoneykirk, in memory of his wife and children, and others in the New Cemetery, for various parties. We have noticed several other splendid monuments in the county, executed by Mr Mc Glashan, amongst them we may instance one to the memory of the late Rev. John J. Campbell, minister of Stoneykirk, of Aberdeen granite and placed in the church yard of that parish. It was raised by the members of the congregation and is very creditable to them. It bears a very suitable inscription and is placed in a very conspicuous part of the church yard.  We have lately seen a photographic view of this, copies of which are in the possession of several parties in the district." These stones are still standing. Diana Henry

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: milldriggan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2120.5.1.3.1.1.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Donald, and any other McHARRIE researchers, Have you searched the archives of the Wigtownshire Mailing List: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/search?path=SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE There are lots of relevant postings. You should search not only on McHARRIE, but also on variants such as McHARRY, M'HARRY, MEHARRY, HARRY etc. Make sure that you read postings by Bill Copland, one of the best informed contributors. Although I don't have specific knowledge of dyers also being farmers, I'd be surprised if that were not the case. My own family were grain millers, and Scottish country millers were always farmers as well. They were mainly tenants in an estate owned mill, (until the 20th century), but the tenancy agreement always included a modest amount of farm land. Its best not to get too hung up on spelling of names. Prior to the latter half of the 19th century, spelling of names was arbitrary, and had more to do with the whim of the official writing the record than the origin or preference of the family being recorded. I consider it highly likely that the parents of John McHARRIE b abt 1813, were John McHARRIE the dyer & Isabella CAMPBELL. As outlined in my earlier message, the death registrations I suggested, in conjunction with relationships given in census records, should be able to confirm that. Regards, Bruce Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thank you for sending this lovely and peaceful photo of the Old Kirk at Portpatrick. A number of my relatives, especially my GG-Grandparents are likely to be buried there. They were John ANDERSON and Sarah Jane (PARKS) ANDERSON. John was born in 1818 in County Down, Ireland, and died in 1867 at 49 in Portpatrick. Sarah Jane was born in Apr 1822 in County Derry, Ireland. She died in 1899 in Portpatrick at the age of 77. They had 7 children. Their eldest daughter, Elizabeth ANDERSON married James Brown LAWRIE in 1875 in St. Quivox Parish. He came to Illinois in 1882, and she came, bringing four sons (Jim, John, William, and Robert, ages 7, 5, 3, 1,) with her...and she was deathly ill for the whole trip. (William was my grandfather...Robert was my father...and I am Kristy.) The Andersons had 6 children: Elizabeth ANDERSON LAWRIE who went to Illinois in 1883. She died in Plano, IL, in 1910, at age 67. Jane ANDERSON moved to Manchester, England, before 1915. Susan ANDERSON died at age 10 near Sorbie, in 1856. Sarah ANDERSON RANKIN moved to Victoria, British Columbia, and died in 1915 at age 66. William ANDERSON died in Portpatrick at age 24, in 1877. John ANDERSON died in Govan, Lanark, at age 24, in 1876. James ANDERSON died in Sidney, (or Victoria), British Columbia at age 77, in 1934. Thanks for showing me what the kirk in Portpatrick must have looked like to them. Kristy Lawrie Gravlin in Plano, Illinois. > > There is a nice photo at > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Old_Kirk_Portpatrick_-_geograph.org.uk_ > -_930886.jpg

I'm impressed. I've now got exactly what I need for the front cover. What a helpful list you are! Thank you Irene

Hi Kim, Sorry to be a wet blanket, but the Robert Clark baptised Kirkcolm 25 Jul 1848 can’t be the one you found in Kentucky in 1850. I have done a little ‘digging’ and found that he and his parents were still at the farm of Glengyre in 1851. They were still in the parish of Kirkcolm in 1861. An *IGI parent search on John Clark & Agnes Dinwoodie* gave the following issue: Mary Clark christening 14 Aug 1842 KIRKCOLM, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND Robert Clark christening 25 Jul 1848 KIRKCOLM, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND Hans Clark christening 10 Aug 1845 KIRKCOLM, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND James Clark christening 01 Dec 1839 KIRKCOLM, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND William Clerk christening 19 Apr 1829 LESWALT, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND John Clarke christening 23 Oct 1831 LESWALT, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND * *Courtesy of FreeCEN, here are census transcripts:* 1841 Census* Piece: SCT1841/887 Place: Kirkcolm -Wigtownshire Enumeration District: 8 Civil Parish: Kirkcolm Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Kirkcolm Folio: 8 Page: 10 Address: Valleyfield Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born CLARK John M 33 Agricultural Labourer Ireland CLARK Agnes F 32 Ireland CLARK William M 12 Wigtownshire Page: 8/11 CLARK John M 9 Wigtownshire CLARK Mary F 7 Wigtownshire CLARK Susan F 5 Wigtownshire CLARK James M 1 Wigtownshire *1851 Census* Piece: SCT1851/887 Place: Kirkcolm -Wigtownshire Enumeration District: 9 Civil Parish: Kirkcolm Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 876 Page: 11 Schedule: 26 Address: Glengyre Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born CLARK John Head M M 42 Farm Labourer Ireland - - CLARK Agnes Wife M F 41 Ireland - - CLARK James Son - M 11 Wigtownshire - Kirkcolm CLARK Mary Dau - F 8 Wigtownshire - Kirkcolm CLARK Hauner Son - M 5 Wigtownshire - Kirkcolm CLARK Robert Son - M 2 Wigtownshire – Kirkcolm *1861 Census* Piece: SCT1861/887 Place: Kirkcolm -Wigtownshire Enumeration District: 4 Civil Parish: Kirkcolm Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 0 Page: 5 Schedule: 23 Address: Knockcoid Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born CLARK John Head M M 52 Labourer Ireland - - CLARK Agnes Wife M F 51 Domestic Business Ireland - - CLARK Mary Dau U F 16 Flowerer WIG - Kirkcolm CLARK Hanse Son U M 14 Agricultural Labourer WIG - Kirkcolm CLARK Robert Son U M 12 WIG - Kirkcolm CLARK Grace Dau - F 6 WIG - Kirkcolm Compulsory registration of births deaths and marriages began in Scotland in 1855. Prior to that one has to hope for other sources of birth records. The best source is the OPRs (Old Parochial Registers), which were the registers kept by the Church of Scotland. He ‘Old’ part refers to those recorded prior to 1855. Only around half of births were so recorded in the 1840s, so one has to be lucky. Regards, Bruce

Wigtownshire's People has also recently posted more old photos and a video about Whithorn Sports Day in the 50s. Check it out on Facebook! Mary

Wigtownshire's People has posted a nostalgic video at <http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FNd9NSdNUCWw&h=vAQHRfYC1AQFczOFRyrnhU-jru7BH70q7UQFVFwDj9VC9cQ&s=1> http://youtu.be/Nd9NSdNUCWw. Enjoy :-) Mary

There is a nice photo at http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Old_Kirk_Portpatrick_-_geograph.org.uk_-_930886.jpg

Since I'm literally sitting here with access to all the 1855 Civil Registrations for Wigtownshire and was intrigued by the 6 year old Grace CLARK in the 1861 Census....a chance for an 1855 Birth ! That year and ONLY that year gives so much information, those are literally gems. Sadly, the IGI shows this birth to be in July of 1856, so nothing on her parents ages and date of marriage. 1856-60 saw that question removed from the Registration page. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA 1856 Births, Kirkcolm, entry #20... Grace Wallace CLARK born 4 July at 5am at Balgown to Hugh CLARK, Ag Labourer and Margaret CLARK maiden name ALISON. Informant was the father [who signed his name], not present at the birth. =====================================

Thank you, Bruce. I so wanted this to be my Robert John Clarke! But that's why we join these lists and share research. And your note that only half the births were recorded in the 1840s tells me Robert may not be noted. But I'll continue to search. Thanks, again. Kim Clarke Director of Executive Communications Office of the Vice President for Communications University of Michigan 734-763-5800 Sent from my iPad On Feb 21, 2013, at 12:35 AM, Bruce McDowall <milldriggan@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Kim, Sorry to be a wet blanket, but the Robert Clark baptised Kirkcolm 25 Jul 1848 can’t be the one you found in Kentucky in 1850. I have done a little ‘digging’ and found that he and his parents were still at the farm of Glengyre in 1851. They were still in the parish of Kirkcolm in 1861. An *IGI parent search on John Clark & Agnes Dinwoodie* gave the following issue: Mary Clark christening 14 Aug 1842 KIRKCOLM, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND Robert Clark christening 25 Jul 1848 KIRKCOLM, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND Hans Clark christening 10 Aug 1845 KIRKCOLM, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND James Clark christening 01 Dec 1839 KIRKCOLM, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND William Clerk christening 19 Apr 1829 LESWALT, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND John Clarke christening 23 Oct 1831 LESWALT, WIGTOWN, SCOTLAND * *Courtesy of FreeCEN, here are census transcripts:* 1841 Census* Piece: SCT1841/887 Place: Kirkcolm -Wigtownshire Enumeration District: 8 Civil Parish: Kirkcolm Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Kirkcolm Folio: 8 Page: 10 Address: Valleyfield Surname First name(s) Sex Age Occupation Where Born CLARK John M 33 Agricultural Labourer Ireland CLARK Agnes F 32 Ireland CLARK William M 12 Wigtownshire Page: 8/11 CLARK John M 9 Wigtownshire CLARK Mary F 7 Wigtownshire CLARK Susan F 5 Wigtownshire CLARK James M 1 Wigtownshire *1851 Census* Piece: SCT1851/887 Place: Kirkcolm -Wigtownshire Enumeration District: 9 Civil Parish: Kirkcolm Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 876 Page: 11 Schedule: 26 Address: Glengyre Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born CLARK John Head M M 42 Farm Labourer Ireland - - CLARK Agnes Wife M F 41 Ireland - - CLARK James Son - M 11 Wigtownshire - Kirkcolm CLARK Mary Dau - F 8 Wigtownshire - Kirkcolm CLARK Hauner Son - M 5 Wigtownshire - Kirkcolm CLARK Robert Son - M 2 Wigtownshire – Kirkcolm *1861 Census* Piece: SCT1861/887 Place: Kirkcolm -Wigtownshire Enumeration District: 4 Civil Parish: Kirkcolm Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: - Folio: 0 Page: 5 Schedule: 23 Address: Knockcoid Surname First name(s) Rel Status Sex Age Occupation Where Born CLARK John Head M M 52 Labourer Ireland - - CLARK Agnes Wife M F 51 Domestic Business Ireland - - CLARK Mary Dau U F 16 Flowerer WIG - Kirkcolm CLARK Hanse Son U M 14 Agricultural Labourer WIG - Kirkcolm CLARK Robert Son U M 12 WIG - Kirkcolm CLARK Grace Dau - F 6 WIG - Kirkcolm Compulsory registration of births deaths and marriages began in Scotland in 1855. Prior to that one has to hope for other sources of birth records. The best source is the OPRs (Old Parochial Registers), which were the registers kept by the Church of Scotland. He ‘Old’ part refers to those recorded prior to 1855. Only around half of births were so recorded in the 1840s, so one has to be lucky. Regards, Bruce

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: greypet4 Surnames: McHarry, Dolan, Graham, McCormick Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2120.5.1.3.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Bruce I have not corresponded with you in years, but I saw todays post about John McHarry. The John I have been researching for years was born about 1813 and I found him as a ship captain on the Great Lakes in the 1840-1870 time period. I have his parents as John and Isabella as they were the only ones that fit the time frame. Can't be 100% on parents. He was very well to do and paid for passage for several people some McHarries and a grandson david Mccormick and his soon to be bride Grace Dolan. He also paid for passage of a widow McHarrie ( McCready) and her sons to Illinois in the 1860's. They came from the StoneyKirk area David McCormicks mother was Mary McHarrie. A lot of pieces pointing to my John. I will have to pull my files for exact information if anyone needs specifics. Thanks again for helping me a few years back. Leo Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Irene, I  will have a look for a photo, if not I am sure Maureen or another colleague will have one. I believe one can gain access to the kirkyard with permission from the Council Burials Dept.  but not sure about this. Diana