If you do not want anyone - "pinching" your info and photos without permission use the privacy settings in Ancestry tick the private box but also make sure that you also tick the "also prevent your tree from being found in searches" and it will be completely private. Ancestry will still give you hints. You then can invite who you want to view - should give you more control. Cheers from a lovely sunny day in Fife - still snow but blue sky! Frances Frances Black Scottish Ancestor T: 01337 840351 E: enquiries@scottishancestor.co.uk F: www.facebook.com/scottishancestor

I have tried putting comments in the appropriate boxes on Ancestry but to little effect. In several cases photos from my family tree have been used incorrectly.

> > Well said Bruce. > Can I just say that as a Professional Genealogist it is really frustrating > when people ask me to do work for them - (they have researched part of > their tree and want to find the "missing" piece) and I check what they have > given me to make sure it is correct. I have lost count of the times I have > had to go back and say they have gone down the wrong road - have either > made something fit because it looks right or downloaded a tree from > Ancestry/Genes Reunited or some other site. The only way?to confirm your > ancestor is by the original record (Scotland's People - yes I know it is > expensive!) or some of the Family History Societies, most will give some > limited help, or hire a professional (this is not a plug!!). One person has > my Grandfather who was born in Kirkinner on her tree?on Ancestry - it is > rubbish!! Have emailed her but it is still there. Had this talk with the > folk at Ancestry when in London at the WDYTYA?and they admitted it happens > all the time > but there was nothing they could do. The advice I was given was to email > the person offering to help them not just ask them to remove the incorrect > information. The internet is great but it is just a guide. > Will now get off my soapbox! > ? > Frances Black > REPLY Hi Francis, instead of emailing them try putting a comment in the box on Ancestry itself....means everyone can see it. Usually makes them take it off. Irene

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: leslie15316 Surnames: Dalrymple, Walker, New Jersey Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2161/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Of all the Dalrymple's who emigrated to America one family is unique in its DNA - and that is the Dalrymple family in New Jersey in the 18th Century. All other Dalrymples in America who have had Ydna tested are related in some degree but not to us ! At the same time in NJ, the Dalrymples of Stair were active legally - and as land owners ! We are searching for male Dalrymples in Scotland and Northern Ireland for free Y-DNA testing in order to promote research on our Dalrymple / Walker families of New Jersey. Also looking for the related Walker family who went to Loudoun Co., VA before 1757. Please respond to: DalrympleWalkerDNAResearch@yahoo.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Well said Bruce. Can I just say that as a Professional Genealogist it is really frustrating when people ask me to do work for them - (they have researched part of their tree and want to find the "missing" piece) and I check what they have given me to make sure it is correct. I have lost count of the times I have had to go back and say they have gone down the wrong road - have either made something fit because it looks right or downloaded a tree from Ancestry/Genes Reunited or some other site. The only way to confirm your ancestor is by the original record (Scotland's People - yes I know it is expensive!) or some of the Family History Societies, most will give some limited help, or hire a professional (this is not a plug!!). One person has my Grandfather who was born in Kirkinner on her tree on Ancestry - it is rubbish!! Have emailed her but it is still there. Had this talk with the folk at Ancestry when in London at the WDYTYA and they admitted it happens all the time but there was nothing they could do. The advice I was given was to email the person offering to help them not just ask them to remove the incorrect information. The internet is great but it is just a guide. Will now get off my soapbox!   Frances Black

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Alexina_Reid Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/364.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Sorry I didn't get back to you..my new email address is "alexinareid@gmail.com". Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I do agree about Ancestry trees. They should be treated with care. I think some people just get carried away. Recently I have found my father in one Ancestry tree with the wrong parents and my grandfather in a different tree also with the wrong parents. I have commented to the tree owners but as yet have had no response. Ann

I totally agree with the remarks about Ancestry.com. I found that there were three boys born in the same city, same year and named the same when I was searching for a GGgrandfather. I did the research and documentation on all three before I could eliminate the "wrong" ones. Ancestry has taken the information for all three (not supplied by me) and compiled it as one...my GGgrandfather. It is much wiser to document your own work rather than to copy errors. Gail

Hi Jamieson, In answer to your latest posting, I offer the following comments: At the risk of sounding like a wet blanket, I need to point out that a lot of family trees uploaded to Ancestry.com are unreliable. Ancestry.com do give a warning that they don’t attempt to verify the information which their subscribers contribute, but I’m sure that most of us either skip reading it or dismiss it. A lot of people become enthusiastic about their family history and feverishly gather all they can. Some don’t have any background in research and concentrate on results without any understanding of what is a reliable source and what is not. Even some original documents such as death certificates may contain false information, let alone transcribed documents. A common fault is to assign parents to an ancestor on the basis that they only found one baptism record which fits the known age of that ancestor. That is not valid, as I’ve outlined previously. Sometimes that age is wrong in the first place because the ancestor fibbed about his/her age in the census returns. So, this enthusiast wants to share, and does so by uploading the information to Ancestry.com. Along come later researchers who find this information and it becomes perpetuated. I found that misinformation on my family has been uploaded to Ancestry.com, and that others have repeated the same incorrect information. Someone without my knowledge of the correct facts could easily be misled, especially as it appears that the misinformation has more than one source. Yes, more than one person putting their names to it, but only one source, and that source was someone who did sloppy research. You can see why I’m particularly touchy on the subject, but I’ve also heard this same complaint from many colleagues at the genealogical society. My point is to be very wary of information contributed to Ancestry,com by well-meaning folk. It may be that they have some privately held sources such as a family bible, or old family documents, which has enabled them to link publicly available data together. It also may be that they have jumped to conclusions, with a combination of inexperience and wishful thinking. I get the impression that you already have some reservation about the info' you obtained from Ancestry.com public trees, but couldn't resist the opportunity to get on my soap box. Mary was a very common name in Wigtownshire, appearing in most families. McDOWALL, together with its spelling variants, was the 3rd most common name in Wigtownshire, thus there lots of Mary McDOWALLs. The traditional naming pattern was to name the first son after his paternal grandfather and the first daughter after her maternal grandmother. The second son would be named after the maternal grandfather and the 2nd daughter after the paternal grandmother. Some families followed this, but not all. Some varied it by following it in part. Thus its not a reliable means of determining the grandparents, but when it works, it does add weight to other evidence. Perhaps it was only the JAMIESONs who migrated from Ulster to the US and were ‘Scots Irish’ by way of a plantation background. Its a bigger stretch to say that of the PAULs. The Ulster Plantation was not a place name, but an English scheme to control rebellious Irish: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plantation_of_Ulster Regards, Bruce

Hi Bruce, Sorry for the delay in responding to your feb 28 post. Thanks for clarifying about the McDOWALL name spellings. Good to know prior to the 19th century the spelling of names was arbitrary. Let me explain my "other thoughts" section a little better. In my research, whenever I came across an Ancestry.com source with "Wigtown" listed as the city of the event, I assumed it was the town of Wigtown that looks like from a map it is located physically near the water. I did see some notations that mention "Wigtownshire" specifically as the county but most the listings said specifically "Wigtown, Wigtownshire, Scotland." Thank you for clarifying this as I wasn't familiar with all the notations of Wigtown you mentioned. So in my research for example, in the scenario I mentioned before with Mary's parents and husband, these are the records I found from sourced Ancestry.com public family trees: * * *Grizel McDOWAL* b. Wigtown, Wigtownshire, Scotland m. 20 Dec 1740, Wigtown, Wigtownshire, Scotland d. 15 Oct 1752, Scotland *Alexander McWILLIAM* b. 1715, Wigtown, Wigtownshire, Scotland d. 1752, Scotland *Charles PAUL* b. 01 Sep 1782, Glenluce?, Wigtown, Scotland m. 18 Jun 1809, Penninghame, Wigtown, Scotland d. 13 Jun 1858, Morristown, New Jersey That's interesting that Mary McDowall was a common name at that time and that Nicholas was a female name. I will send you privately Family Group Sheets as PDFs showing how I worked back to Mary McDowall from my maternal grandmother. *If this Mary McDOWALL's parents were Andrew McDOWALL & Jean McWILLIAM,** then Mary & Charles didn't follow the naming tradition.* *I'm not sure what you mean by this?* *You say that Mary McDOWALL died in Morristown, NJ in 1854 and that’s where your grandmother was born and raised. I presume that Mary McDOWALL and Charles PAUL moved from Wigtownshire to the USA sometime between 1817 and 1854. Do you have further information on that timing?* *It looks like Daniel JAMIESON and Mary and Charles's daughter Jane PAUL moved from the Ulster Plantation to the US around 1833-1835. I don't have this definitely but see my notes on PDF.* *Penninghame is as far as one can be from Kirkmaiden and remain in Wigtownshire. You mentioned some concern about that distance and I share that concern. It is not prohibitive of the Mary McDOWALL born in Kirkmaiden being married in Penninghame, but does make me wonder if it was a different Mary McDOWALL. If you have some means to establish this was the same one, that is good, but it can’t be established only on the basis of no other one of suitable age being found in the OPRs. The OPRs are far from being a complete record of births.* *This is all true and I need to keep searching for my sources to make sure.* *Assuming that either you already have evidence or that we can find it, the next step is to establish if her father was the same Andrew McDOWALL who was born 7 Dec. 1758 to John McDOUALL of Logan, Kirkmaiden and Helen BUCHAN, and died 03 May 1834. He was the one who was MP for Wigtownshire from 1784 - 1796 and 1802 – 1805.* *I agree. Any suggestions would be welcome.* *The fact that the baptism entry described him as Andrew McDOWALL, Esqr., certainly fits. What should be kept in mind, however, is that Andrew McDOWALL was a very common name, and there were others amongst the land-owning lines. It would therefore be great if the Kirk Session records can verify that it was Andrew McDOWALL/McDOUALL of Logan or Culgroat.* *I have asked the Dumfries library is they have any suggestions on this. Would love any thoughts you or others may have.* *I do have to wonder though, how you were able to assign Jean McWILLIAM as the daughter of Alexander McWILLIAM and Grizel McDOWALL?* *I have sent you her info on PDF too.* Thanks for your help! Regards, Jamieson -- Warm Wishes, Ms. Jamieson Haverkampf Cell 404-964-5060 *For more information about my writing, illustrating and voiceover work check out my website*: https://sites.google.com/site/jamiesonhaverkampf/ *For more information about my award-winning caregiver book Mom Minus Dad: The Essential Resource Guide for Busy Adults with a Newly Widowed Parent, check out this website:*www.momminusdad.com.* For additional suggested caregiver books:* Find Mom Minus Dad and other Caregiver books in my Amazon store<http://astore.amazon.com/wwwtheparentl-20> * *

I agree completely with Bruce, the Mary McDowall's maybe 2 different girls .... or maybe not ?? I also agree with the "distance" possibly NOT being a problem ... lots of my people married people that weren't local to their own particular area. I have a WIG lad m. a County Down Colleen in 1853 ish., his grandson b. 1883, came to Australia in 1886 as a toddler, & grew up to marry my great grandma, who was b. in 1886, in Australia, she had a Swedish Mum, & her Dad was a Lad from Ayrshire ..... both emm. to Australia in the 1860's -1870's. Those old folk got about LOTS. I happily knew some of my g. grandies ... the aforementioned couple were 2 of those people ..... now that I am in my middle years .... I just appreciate them all SOOOOOOOOO MUCH. All our ancestors are amazing people .... the women had 7 + kids, no electricity, let alone washing machines or dryers ...... the men were expected to bring home enough money to keep the entire tribe fed & clothed. How did they do it ? Both sexes ..... I cannot imagine having a baby, without access to a washing machine. Cheers Carolyn ..... I have been a wee bit quite the last couple of years ... apologies .... 2 x natural disasters have taken their toll with time, emotions, & mental health .... coming good slowly but surely ..... I hope ! Message: 1 Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:35:02 -0600 From: "GUY I IV COLBY" <guycolbyiv@verizon.net> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Mary McDowall (Kirkmaiden to Penninghame) To: <sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <BB71DBB1B2304D919C8E745127FC851B@Guy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Bruce wrote: Penninghame is as far as one can be from Kirkmaiden and remain in Wigtownshire. You mentioned some concern about that distance and I share that concern. It is not prohibitive of the Mary McDOWALL born in Kirkmaiden being married in Penninghame, but does make me wonder if it was a different Mary McDOWALL. If you have some means to establish this was the same one, that is good, but it can't be established only on the basis of no other one of suitable age being found in the OPRs. The OPRs are far from being a complete record of births. Despite the distance, it is not too extraordinary for someone to be born in Kirkmaiden and married in Penninghame. My 4th great grandparents, Clement and Catherine (Henry) Marshall, came "ower the Scheuch" from County Down and settled in Kirkmaiden about 1822. My 3rd great grandfather, James Marshall, was born there in 1823, but by 1826, the family was in Wigtown parish, and James married my 3rd great grandmother, Mary Crosbie, in Newton Stewart in 1851. James' older brother, John Marshall, remained in Kirkmaiden when the family moved, and he married there, but he moved his family to Old Luce about 1838. My impression is that movement within Wigtownshire was perhaps not so unusual as we might think. Guy I. Colby IV Irving, TX ------------------------------ To contact the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator, send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE mailing list, send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 34 *********************************************** ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2899 / Virus Database: 2641/6139 - Release Date: 02/28/13

Hi Jamieson, I’m mainly using the McDOWALL spelling here, but of course, the records will use other variants. McDOUALL is one of the more common variants in Wigtownshire. The McDOUALLs of Logan seem to have settled on that spelling in more recent times, but prior to the 19th century, and even well into that century, spelling of names was arbitrary. Some of your notes under the heading “other thoughts” have me puzzled, so excuse me if I have misunderstood. I get the impression that you may be confused by the various contexts in which the word Wigtown is used. Wigown is the name of a town, (or more correctly, a Burgh), within the parish of Wigtown, in the county of Wigtownshire. Wigtownshire is often abbreviated to Wigtown, especially in situations where it is apparent that it refers to the county. Unfortunately, this often confuses folk who are unfamiliar with Wigtownshire and records referring to it. I’m interested in how you have been able to work back to the particular Mary McDOWALL who was the daughter of Andrew McDOWALL and Jean McWILLIAM. Mary McDOWALL was a common name in Wigtownshire, so there would be a number of them who could possibly have been the one to marry Charles PAUL. I see from the IGI that Mary McDOWALL and Charles PAUL married (or perhaps proclaimed their intention to marry) on 18 Jun 1809, in the parish of Penninghame, Wigtownshire, and had children: Nicholas baptised 16 Mar 1810, John Baptised 31 Mar 1812, Jean baptised 11 Jul 1814, James 30 Nov 1817, all in Penninghame parish. (Note: Nicholas was a female name in Wigtownshire at that time.) If this Mary McDOWALL's parents were Andrew McDOWALL & Jean McWILLIAM, then Mary & Charles didn't follow the naming tradition. Not all couples did, but when they did, it adds weight to one's case. You say that Mary McDOWALL died in Morristown, NJ in 1854 and that’s where your grandmother was born and raised. I presume that Mary McDOWALL and Charles PAUL moved from Wigtownshire to the USA sometime between 1817 and 1854. Do you have further information on that timing? Penninghame is as far as one can be from Kirkmaiden and remain in Wigtownshire. You mentioned some concern about that distance and I share that concern. It is not prohibitive of the Mary McDOWALL born in Kirkmaiden being married in Penninghame, but does make me wonder if it was a different Mary McDOWALL. If you have some means to establish this was the same one, that is good, but it can’t be established only on the basis of no other one of suitable age being found in the OPRs. The OPRs are far from being a complete record of births. Assuming that either you already have evidence or that we can find it, the next step is to establish if her father was the same Andrew McDOWALL who was born 7 Dec. 1758 to John McDOUALL of Logan, Kirkmaiden and Helen BUCHAN, and died 03 May 1834. He was the one who was MP for Wigtownshire from 1784 - 1796 and 1802 – 1805. The fact that the baptism entry described him as Andrew McDOWALL, Esqr., certainly fits. What should be kept in mind, however, is that Andrew McDOWALL was a very common name, and there were others amongst the land-owning lines. It would therefore be great if the Kirk Session records can verify that it was Andrew McDOWALL/McDOUALL of Logan or Culgroat. I will be most interested in what you can find in that regard. (I’ve sent details of a suggested professional researcher in a separate off-list message.) You mention the mother of Mary McDOWALL, Jean McWILLIAM, being 32 years old at the time of Mary’s birth. That’s not too old, even back then. I’ve seen plenty of cases where women were still having children into their 40s. I do have to wonder though, how you were able to assign Jean McWILLIAM as the daughter of Alexander McWILLIAM and Grizel McDOWALL? Regards, Bruce

Bruce wrote: Penninghame is as far as one can be from Kirkmaiden and remain in Wigtownshire. You mentioned some concern about that distance and I share that concern. It is not prohibitive of the Mary McDOWALL born in Kirkmaiden being married in Penninghame, but does make me wonder if it was a different Mary McDOWALL. If you have some means to establish this was the same one, that is good, but it can't be established only on the basis of no other one of suitable age being found in the OPRs. The OPRs are far from being a complete record of births. Despite the distance, it is not too extraordinary for someone to be born in Kirkmaiden and married in Penninghame. My 4th great grandparents, Clement and Catherine (Henry) Marshall, came "ower the Scheuch" from County Down and settled in Kirkmaiden about 1822. My 3rd great grandfather, James Marshall, was born there in 1823, but by 1826, the family was in Wigtown parish, and James married my 3rd great grandmother, Mary Crosbie, in Newton Stewart in 1851. James' older brother, John Marshall, remained in Kirkmaiden when the family moved, and he married there, but he moved his family to Old Luce about 1838. My impression is that movement within Wigtownshire was perhaps not so unusual as we might think. Guy I. Colby IV Irving, TX

Dear listers, It has been 17 days since I posted that our list mode seemed to be broken: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE/2013-02/1360631542. It was only last week that we finally got Rootsweb's attention about this problem that has lingered since mid-January. My posts last week about Wigtownshire's People were tests to help the Rootsweb listmaster confirm that our list mode is indeed broken. He agreed and added that only our list seems to be affected -- lucky us :-( He turned our problem over to the Rootsweb engineers. We are still waiting for a resolution. Thanks to all of you for your patience. We especially appreciate all you list moders who've been converted to digest mode. We didn't want to lose you, so we chose to send you digests to keep you connected till list mode is fixed. We're hoping for a resolution soon. In the meantime, we stay in contact with Rootsweb and thank you for your understanding. Mary

Hi Jamieson, I'm not connected as far as I know, but as its my family name, I've been researching the McDOWALLs (and variants) in Wigtownshire for 17 years. The mailing list is not able to send out attachments, so your image file didn't make it to other subscribers. As an alternative, you may like to post a transcription to the mailing list. I guess that it is an image of the baptism records from the Kirkmaiden Old Parochial Register? In case you are unaware, couples who had illegitimate children were normally brought before the Kirk Session and rebuked for their 'sin'. Many of these were recorded in the minutes of the Kirk Session and a good number of these minute books are held in National Archives of Scotland. (Actually NAS and GROS have now been combined to the NRS - National Records of Scotland, but the transition is not yet complete.) The catalogue indicates that the Kirk Session Records for Kirkmaiden are not housed in Edinburgh, but instead are in the Archive Centre at Dumfriess. Perhaps your best means of searching those records would be to hire a professional researcher. The mailing list does not allow advertising, so I can't recommend anyone here, but would be happy to if you write to me privately. The Kirk Session Records are being digitised with the view to making them available via Scotlandspeople, but I don't know how long we will have to wait for this to happen. There is no guarantee that your couple have been recorded there, but I believe it is worth checking. I was lucky with a couple of mentions of my family. If the father was the Andrew McDOWALL who was the MP for Wigtownshire, perhaps he wasn't called before the Session. If the father did appear before the Session, the minutes may well settle that question, as it was usual to specify the residence of each party and sometimes occupation. The amount of detail, just like that in the marriage and baptism registers, depends on the Session Clerk at the time. As for the question if he ever married, there is some debate about that due to recorded legal battles over the legitimacy of his heirs. From your wording, I suspect that you have read some of the same references to this as me. Do you have a particular reason for suspecting that this Andrew McDOWALL was the father of your Mary D McDOWALL? Regards, Bruce Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:19:29 -0500 From: Jamieson Haverkampf <jamiesonhaver@gmail.com> Subject: [WIG LIST] Mary D McDowall/McDouall illegitimate daughter of Andrew McDowall/McDouall <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Hello. I have recently discovered that MARY D MCDOWALL/MCDOUALL is the illegitimate daughter of ANDREW MCDOWALL/MCDOUALL and was born in Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Scotland in 1784. If anyone else has information on either MARY D., ANDREW or JEAN MCWILLIAM, Mary's mother, I would love to connect and compare notes. I think Andrew was MP of Wigtownshire and can't figure out if he ever married. My tree is public on Ancestry.com "Cauble and Haverkampf Tree"-with Kirkmaiden old Parish record documenting this new fact... Warm Wishes, Ms. Jamieson Haverkampf Atlanta, GA USA <Kirkmaiden Parish Records. McDowall.JPG>

Hi Listers Thanks to Mike and Peter E who sent me photos of the old kirk, can anyone send me photos of the new one?? And is there only the one kirk for the area.....Church of Scotland? Thanks again Heather McGarey Straight Ontario Canada

Bruce, Thank you so much for your reply. You obviously know a TON about the Wigtown McDOWALL's and I'm so glad to be connected. I would be very interested in finding out what the minutes of the Kirk Session say. *Kirkmaiden Old Parish Records Connection* I received a copy of the Kirkmaiden Old Parish Records where Mary McDOWALL's name was listed from Ms. Meg Greenwood. I found Ms. Greenwood's information online {scotquester@bartnet.net} on one of the Wigtownshire pages as someone researching Kirkmaiden records and would share information on birth and marriage records she had access to. I emailed her and here was her response: "I too live in the US....am in northeastern Oklahoma near Tulsa. The FHC here has hundreds of films I use constantly for just what you are doing, requesting information. Here is the handwritten entry in Kirkmaiden Old Parish Records. Will send you the page this is written on, each surname is in the left hand column which is the margin of the page. Third name up from the bottom is Mary McDOWALL, she was illegitimate. The straight line you see left to right across this entry is not written on the page, its a scratch across the microfilm. Handwriting is bright and clear however abbreviations can be difficult to understand and the ampersand [&] is written a few different ways for this church clerk or minister. Page is darker towards the bottom and this entry is 3rd up from the bottom so the background paper is getting darkish. Still readable. Will send the image of this first, then look for the 1809 marriage as I am not sure I have Penninhame here at home, I do have Kirkmaiden as that's one of my main research parishes. MEG in OK" *Transcription of Mary D. McDOWALL from Meg Greenwood's records-* "1784, Kirkmaiden : Mary, illegit daur of Andrew McDowall, Esqr & Jean McWilliam born 10th Augt bapt 6th Septr. [end]" *Regarding Andrew McDowall…* * * The only Andrew McDouall/Andrew McDowall I could find online around the time of Mary's birth were: 1) Andrew McDOUALL (1685-1760), second son of Robert McDOUALL of Logan (d. c1729), was an advocate who became one of the senators of the College of Justice, under the style Lord Bankton"' 2) Andrew McDOUALL of Logan (1758-1834) was MP for Wigtownshire, 1802-1805. 3) Andrew Kenneth McDOUALL of Logan (1870-1945). #2 seemed the only Andrew that could be her father due to the dates each lived. *Other Thoughts*** I got very curious about Mary McDOWALL because of her birthplace: Kirkmaiden by Drummore, which seems pretty isolated-- especially since both of her parents were from Wigtown and her mother was a McDOWAL (Grizel McDOWAL 1719-1752 and Alexander McWILLIAM 1715-1752). I wondered why didn't she have the baby in Wigtown since Kirkmaiden didn't seem too easy to get to back then? Also, Mary's husband Charles PAUL was born in Wigtown too. Mary also died in Morristown, NJ (August 19, 1854) where my maternal grandmother was born and raised. Do you think Andrew and Jean were cousins and that's why the pregnancy could have been "sinful"? I was also curious about Jean McWILLIAM because she seemed to have Mary when she was 32 which seems really late in life during that time to have a child and I don't think she ever married which also seems odd…. Thanks so much for your information- it is really helpful- Jamieson On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Bruce McDowall <milldriggan@gmail.com>wrote: > Hi Jamieson, > > I'm not connected as far as I know, but as its my family name, I've been > researching the McDOWALLs (and variants) in Wigtownshire for 17 years. > > The mailing list is not able to send out attachments, so your image file > didn't make it to other subscribers. As an alternative, you may like to > post a transcription to the mailing list. I guess that it is an image of > the baptism records from the Kirkmaiden Old Parochial Register? > > In case you are unaware, couples who had illegitimate children were > normally brought before the Kirk Session and rebuked for their 'sin'. Many > of these were recorded in the minutes of the Kirk Session and a good number > of these minute books are held in National Archives of Scotland. (Actually > NAS and GROS have now been combined to the NRS - National Records of > Scotland, but the transition is not yet complete.) The catalogue indicates > that the Kirk Session Records for Kirkmaiden are not housed in Edinburgh, > but instead are in the Archive Centre at Dumfriess. Perhaps your best means > of searching those records would be to hire a professional researcher. The > mailing list does not allow advertising, so I can't recommend anyone here, > but would be happy to if you write to me privately. The Kirk Session > Records are being digitised with the view to making them available via > Scotlandspeople, but I don't know how long we will have to wait for this to > happen. There is no guarantee that your couple have been recorded there, > but I believe it is worth checking. I was lucky with a couple of mentions > of my family. > > If the father was the Andrew McDOWALL who was the MP for Wigtownshire, > perhaps he wasn't called before the Session. If the father did appear > before the Session, the minutes may well settle that question, as it was > usual to specify the residence of each party and sometimes occupation. The > amount of detail, just like that in the marriage and baptism registers, > depends on the Session Clerk at the time. > As for the question if he ever married, there is some debate about that > due to recorded legal battles over the legitimacy of his heirs. From your > wording, I suspect that you have read some of the same references to this > as me. > Do you have a particular reason for suspecting that this Andrew McDOWALL > was the father of your Mary D McDOWALL? > > Regards, > Bruce > > > Date: Tue, 26 Feb 2013 15:19:29 -0500 > From: Jamieson Haverkampf <jamiesonhaver@gmail.com> > Subject: [WIG LIST] Mary D McDowall/McDouall illegitimate daughter of > Andrew McDowall/McDouall > <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > > > Hello. I have recently discovered that MARY D MCDOWALL/MCDOUALL is the > illegitimate daughter of ANDREW MCDOWALL/MCDOUALL and was born in > Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Scotland in 1784. > If anyone else has information on either MARY D., ANDREW or JEAN > MCWILLIAM, Mary's mother, I would love to connect and compare notes. I > think Andrew was MP of Wigtownshire and can't figure out if he ever > married. My tree is public on Ancestry.com "Cauble and Haverkampf > Tree"-with Kirkmaiden old Parish record documenting this new fact... > > > Warm Wishes, > Ms. Jamieson Haverkampf > Atlanta, GA USA > > <Kirkmaiden Parish Records. McDowall.JPG> > -- Warm Wishes, Ms. Jamieson Haverkampf Cell 404-964-5060 *For more information about my writing, illustrating and voiceover work check out my website*: https://sites.google.com/site/jamiesonhaverkampf/ *For more information about my award-winning caregiver book Mom Minus Dad: The Essential Resource Guide for Busy Adults with a Newly Widowed Parent, check out this website:*www.momminusdad.com.* For additional suggested caregiver books:* Find Mom Minus Dad and other Caregiver books in my Amazon store<http://astore.amazon.com/wwwtheparentl-20> * *

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Hi all, as I am in a bit of a rush (this email will be shut down in 2 days), hence I haven't really searched for a solution myself. I need to change the email asociated with this list in order to keep getting these messages, the new email I will start using is matias.ferrero.berlin@gmail Can anyone here can help me with that? I would be highly apreciated, otherwise, I would be happy to be pointed in the right direction. Thank you very much, Matias 2013/2/23 <sct-wigtownshire-request@rootsweb.com> > > > > ******************************************************************************** > > When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to > which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. > Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the > message subject to which you are replying. > > > ******************************************************************************** > > 11 Feb 2013 > All Wig list subscribers are in digest mode until list mode starts working > again. > > > ******************************************************************************** > > Today's Topics: > > 1. McMASTER (Diana Henry) > 2. Oops! I didn't word the LAWRIE note well (Kristy Gravlin) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 07:46:48 -0800 (PST) > From: Diana Henry <dianahhenry@yahoo.com> > Subject: [WIG LIST] McMASTER > To: "sct-wigtownshire-l@rootsweb.com" > <sct-wigtownshire-l@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <1361548008.80747.YahooMailNeo@web120301.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > >From Stranraer and Wigtownshire Free Press February 21st 2013 > > " Way We Were" > > Thursday February 19, 1863 > > "Amongst the various improvements which have been going on in Wigtownshire > for some time past, we observe that parties having the means of showing > respect to their departed relatives, are now raising up splendid monuments > over the graves of these relatives in the various church yards of the > county. > On Saturday last a very beautiful and chaste stone was put up in the > church yard, Glenluce by Mr William McMaster, farmer, Challoch, in memory > of his deceased parents and children. > The stone was scuptured by Mr James McGlashan of Glasgow, and is really a > beautiful piece of workmanship. > Mr Glashan has also put up several other monuments at Stranraer - one in > Ivy Place church yard, for Mr John McMaster, Caldons, Stoneykirk, in memory > of his wife and children, and others in the New Cemetery, for various > parties. > We have noticed several other splendid monuments in the county, executed > by Mr Mc Glashan, amongst them we may instance one to the memory of the > late Rev. John J. Campbell, minister of Stoneykirk, of Aberdeen granite and > placed in the church yard of that parish. > It was raised by the members of the congregation and is very creditable to > them. > It bears a very suitable inscription and is placed in a very conspicuous > part of the church yard. ?We have lately seen a photographic view of this, > copies of which are in the possession of several parties in the district." > > These stones are still standing. > Diana Henry > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2013 12:40:08 -0600 > From: Kristy Gravlin <hannah@teleport.com> > Subject: [WIG LIST] Oops! I didn't word the LAWRIE note well > To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <CD4D17A8.3156E%hannah@teleport.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > I wrote: > Their eldest daughter, Elizabeth ANDERSON married James > Brown LAWRIE in 1875 in St. Quivox Parish. He came to Illinois > in 1882, and she came, bringing four sons (Jim, John, William, > and Robert, ages 7, 5, 3, 1,) with her...and she was deathly > ill for the whole trip. (William was my grandfather...Robert > was my father...and I am Kristy.) > > Now that I look more carefully, one could get the impression that William > was my grandfather (true) and that his brother Robert was my father (an > impressive trick...and certainly not true!) > > William had a first son that he named after his brother...Robert. It was > that Robert that was my father, of course. And I am still Kristy...the one > and only. > > Sorry to confuse... > Kristy > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 27 > *********************************************** > -- *MATIAS FERRERO* communication / design - (+49) 0176.39.047.383 www.elwebstudio.com

> Hello. I have recently discovered that MARY D MCDOWALL/MCDOUALL is the illegitimate daughter of ANDREW MCDOWALL/MCDOUALL and was born in Kirkmaiden by Drummore, Scotland in 1784. > > If anyone else has information on either MARY D., ANDREW or JEAN MCWILLIAM, Mary's mother, I would love to connect and compare notes. I think Andrew was MP of Wigtownshire and can't figure out if he ever married. My tree is public on Ancestry.com "Cauble and Haverkampf Tree"-with Kirkmaiden old Parish record documenting this new fact... > > -- > Warm Wishes, > Ms. Jamieson Haverkampf > Atlanta, GA USA > > > > > > <Kirkmaiden Parish Records. McDowall.JPG>