This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: theta100 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2165.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Lara, There was a marriage for a George Adam to Jane Forbes 27 Nov 1872 in Dunnottar, Kincardine, Scotland. To get more details you will need to download the certificate image from Scotlands People ( modest payment required) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
Greetings - In the 1841, 1851, 1861 census in Wigtown there is a Jean Dunn born about 1806 in Oak Hill, England, daughter of James Dunn and Thomeson Strachan. In these census reports she is shown with three children Peter, Betsy and Mathew. I have been able to trace Matthew into the Royal Marines, married to Martha Harper in Ireland and one of his sons eventually makes his way to Canada. Question - there does not seem to be any info on whether Jean was married or not and some researchers even doubt if she was really the daughter of James and Thomeson. Does anyone have any insight into this situation? Thanks John Dunn in Canada
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: larajcolley Surnames: Adams, Forbes Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2165/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Is there anyone out there that is related to: George Adam(s) born 1849 He married a Jane - 1851 (Forbes) They had a son James Adams in 1882 I am not sure if George and Jane were born in Scotland or in South Africa....? Any information would be gratefully received, Lara Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
I guess they can. However, the member states must vote on it. It is up to the member states to stop this and up to the genealogical socieities in the member states to lobby their EU representatives. What burns me up is that member states contribute millions to the EU in terms of membership. That comes from taxpayers' money. As a taxpayer I want to see the money spent on resolving real issues, such as human traficking, pedophelia, arms and drugs traficking, organizaed crime, etc and not waste my hard-earned money trying to show some excuse for taking a Brussels shuttle every week or so. This proposal sounds ridiculous. Most countries already have regulations concerning time spans on when data can be made public, ranging from 75 years in Sweden to 100 years in Scotland. I guess this calls for a hunt of the so-called proposal to see just what it is proposing and perhaps following up with contacting our respective Genealogical Societies to start putting pressure on our respective EU representatives. Karen -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sct-wigtownshire-request@rootsweb.com Sent: den 26 juni 2013 9:01 To: sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Subject: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 104 **************************************************************************** **** When replying to a digest message, quote only the specific message to which you are replying, removing the rest of the digest from your reply. Remember to change the subject of your reply so that it coincides with the message subject to which you are replying. **************************************************************************** **** 11 Feb 2013 All Wig list subscribers are in digest mode until list mode starts working again. **************************************************************************** **** Today's Topics: 1. Fw: EU restricting gen. research (Maisie Egger) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2013 11:13:32 -0700 From: "Maisie Egger" <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> Subject: [WIG LIST] Fw: EU restricting gen. research To: <sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <D418BB309A6849099D3AE6F26E26CB41@MaryHP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Can ?they? do this? Maisie http://www.irishtimes.com/news/eu-regulation-could-restrict-genealogical-res earch-1.1440075 ------------------------------ To contact the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator, send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE mailing list, send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 8, Issue 104 ************************************************
Governments can do anything they want to. Your only option is to garner enough people and fight the process with public opinion. That is easier said than done. If you were working to get your own politicians to change there mind maybe doable. You are trying to fight the EU government which is so far removed from you it would seem neigh on to impossible. Doug In a message dated 6/26/2013 3:56:28 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, sct-wigtownshire-request@rootsweb.com writes: Can ?they? do this? Maisie
Can “they” do this? Maisie http://www.irishtimes.com/news/eu-regulation-could-restrict-genealogical-research-1.1440075
Public Broadcasting System here in the U.S. has announced a new genealogy show. PBS streams many of its programs, so even if you're not in the U.S., you may be able to watch it. Mary http://www.pbs.org/about/news/archive/2013/genealogy-roadshow-natl/ PBS Announces New Series, GENEALOGY ROADSHOW, Premiering This Fall ARLINGTON, VA; MAY 9, 2013 PBS announced today that it will add the new series GENEALOGY ROADSHOW to its fall lineup. Part detective story, part emotional journey, GENEALOGY ROADSHOW will combine history and science to uncover the fascinating stories of diverse Americans. Each individuals past will link to a larger community history, revealing the rich cultural tapestry of America. GENEALOGY ROADSHOW will air Mondays, September 23-October 14, 9:00-10:00 p.m. ET. GENEALOGY ROADSHOW is an engaging, innovative program that reveals the bigger picture of our nations past, present and future, said Beth Hoppe, Chief Programming Executive and General Manager of General Audience Programming for PBS. With a diverse mix of stories in each episode, GENEALOGY ROADSHOW appeals to Americans interested in learning about their family histories. It also shows that no matter ones heritage and background, everyone has a place in history. GENEALOGY ROADSHOWs premiere season will feature participants from four American cities Nashville, Austin, Detroit and San Francisco who want to explore unverified genealogical claims, passed down through family history, that may (or may not) connect them to an event or a historical figure. These cities were chosen as American crossroads of culture, diversity, industry and history, with deep pools of potential participants and stories. After participants are chosen, experts in genealogy, history and DNA will use family heirlooms, letters, pictures, historical documents and other clues to hunt down more information. These experts will enlist the help of local historians to add color and context to the investigations, ensuring every artifact and every name becomes a clue in solving the mystery. Residents of Austin, Detroit, Nashville and San Francisco are invited and encouraged to submit their personal stories as GENEALOGY ROADSHOW will unearth family and community secrets, reveal notable relatives and discover unexpected stories that connect the past to the present. Many answers will be revealed on camera before a local audience, in a historic building relevant to the cities and the participants histories. It is rare and wonderful when one can produce a show in which literally everyone is qualified to be a part of it, said executive producer Stuart Krasnow. PBS is the perfect partner to produce a show that celebrates the richness of the individual, and the differences between us that make our country unique. THE GENEALOGY ROADSHOW has been a hit in Ireland, where national public broadcaster RTE commissioned the original format from producer Big Mountain Productions. It just hit a nerve, said Big Mountain executive producer Philip McGovern. Everybody wants answers to questions about their own histories to help make sense of their lives today. Weve had a lot of interest in the format internationally and are delighted PBS has picked it up. Episodes in the series include: NASHVILLE Nashville is a vibrant cultural crossroad in the American South. While it is the capital of country music and a centerpiece of Civil War history, its known for much more. The city rose to prominence within the shipping industry, and its post-Civil War prosperity led to an explosion in architecture, education and the arts. Its abundant opportunities led to population swells of Mexican, Cambodian and Iraqi immigrants. Nashvilles Jewish community laid roots in the area more than 150 years ago, and an influx of Kurdish immigrants in recent years has given the city its new nickname, Little Kurdistan. AUSTIN With the motto Keep Austin Weird, this city prides itself on uniqueness. The fast- growing metropolis has evolved into a hub for government, technology, culture and education. Austin boasts a strong sense of individuality that stems in part from its diverse history. With early Native-American settlements of Tonkawas and Comanches, central Texas rich culture includes Mexican, Asian, African-American and European communities. DETROIT While Detroit is known mainly for two things cars and Motown there is much more to the city, which boasts one of the most diverse populations in the country. After its settlement by French-Canadians, Detroit attracted a large number of Europeans and immigrants of Middle Eastern descent, making it now home to the largest Arab-American community in the country. As well, hundreds of thousands of African-Americans moved to Detroit from the rural southern U.S. as part of The Great Migration of the 20th century. Detroit was the first place in the country to have a stretch of concrete highway and a four-way, three-color traffic light. It supplied 75 percent of the liquor during the Prohibition era and was the birthplace of the ice cream soda. SAN FRANCISCO San Francisco is known as a Pacific port, a religious mission, a railroad hub, a mining mecca, an earthquake epicenter, the birthplace of world-famous counterculture movements and the home of the biggest technological innovations of all time, including denim jeans. The city has seen its population transformed over and over again due to its constantly shifting industries, leading to the significant diversity that exists there today.
The recent thread about Wigtown Kirk Sessions and other church records for Wigtown piqued my interest, so I checked the FHC to see what films were there. There is a film noted as being UP church and another for Wigtown records. There ARE Kirk Sessions on one of these films, just about 300 pages of them along with Baptismal dates/names and Communion Rolls. The dates covered for the Kirk Sessions may not help though, the bulk of them are after 1855 though early records have much more written in them and meetings were held almost monthly. Later meetings were once or twice yearly with brief Sessions Minutes. Handwritten notes begin at "Wigtown, 3rd January, 1849" and go through 1st August, 1901. By the end of the filmed Sessions pages, the church had changed its name to the West United Free Church from its original United Presbyterian Church. If someone is waiting for these Kirk Sessions to come online or be available, I can check any year for notes on names they might be interested in. 1849-1901 only. The other records mentioned are The Free Church Congregation whose handwritten baptism entries include parents and occupation of father along with date and place of birth along with the name of the Reverend. Those records begin with a single entry for Janet HAMILTON on 25 Aug, 1844 at Wigtown the birth being 15 Aug. The last entry is 1947 for a Catherine R. THOMSON. Communion Rolls begin about 1850, date is unclear in margin however 1851 begins clearly right after that list of 141 names for Wigtown. Pages go at least through 1862, there were more pages, but my ride had arrived, will be back to get the rest. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Dorothy_Haworth Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1027.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks so much for that info.I would love to have a copy of the photos of the gracestones. I have made discoveries since this post about the Margaret McClure b1845. She was actually a natural daughter of Elizabeth Patterson and Robert Sherar. Her mother Elizabeth Patterson went on to marry Gilbert McClure in 1850. I have been struggling to identify which Robert Sherar is her father, and hoping that when the Wigtown Kirk Sessions become available online there may be a reference to the occasion. my email is deehaworth@hotmail.com Do you have a personal interest in the McClures? I have researched quite a bit before I found that my Margaret was in fact a Sherar. Still would appreciate the photos though. Many thanks Dee Perth WA Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kenannmorrison Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1027.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Dee - I hope you are still searching? In the Minnigaff Parish Churchyard there is a gravestone which names Margaret McClure "who went down with the Lusitania 7th May 1915 aged 32 years" Her father was George McClure "who died at the Royal Infirmary Edinburgh 22nd Nov. 1914 aged 59 years" Her mother was Elizabeth Halliday "who died at Woodside Minnigaff 24th March 1925 aged 72 years" I have photographs of the gravestone if you would like a copy. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
Thank you, Jenny, that took a bit of doing on your part to find this information. I clicked on the links but got nowhere, as usual!!! Meaning, I seem to have "bad karma" when it comes to researching and have to rely on others with more abilities. Maisie ***************************** Today's Topics: 1. Re: Kelton Kirk Sessions SCT-WIG Digest, Vol 8, Issue 98 (Jenny Myers) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2013 17:45:36 +1000 From: "Jenny Myers" <jenm@exemail.com.au> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Kelton Kirk Sessions SCT-WIG Digest, Vol 8, Maisie, I searched the records of The Mitchell, nothing to help you there. Scottish Documents.com at the NAS...... http://www.scottishdocuments.com/placePage.aspx?placeRef=18864&vAllVol=yes&vAllRel=yes The site says to click on the reference to view a volume in a new window, all it does is take you to a log-in page not to the volume reference. Parish of Kelton A parish in the county of Kirkcudbright. It consisted of three united parishes, Kelton, Gelston and Kirkcormick (of old Kilcormic), the latter two having been annexed into the Kelton church in 1698. The Church of Scotland kirk session for Kelton sat within the presbytery of Kirkcudbright and the synod of Galloway. Records available To view a volume in a new window, simply click on its volume reference number. Kirk session records Kirk session minutes (1715-1727,1782-1786) accounts (1761-1762,1785-1789) (CH2/203/1) Kirk session minutes (1762-1861) (CH2/203/2) Kirk session minutes (1821-1831) and communion roll (1879) (CH2/203/3) Kirk session minutes (1834-1837) (CH2/203/4) Kirk session accounts (1812-1833) (CH2/203/6) Kirk session accounts (1837-1845) (CH2/203/8) Kirk session accounts (1868-1895) (CH2/203/11) Communion roll (1864-1879) (CH2/203/13) Communion roll (1880-1893) (CH2/203/14) Parochial visitation book (1826-1838) (CH2/203/15) Minutes and accounts for the erection of a church gallery (1821-1873) (CH2/203/16) Papers relating to stipend (1833-1903) (CH2/203/17) Papers relating to the school at Castle Douglas (1790-1823) (CH2/203/18) Papers relating to seat allocation in church and land for new burial ground (1804-1880) (CH2/203/19) If there are no records available to view or you want to look for other records relating to this place, go to our records unavailable page. Regards Jenny
Maisie, I searched the records of The Mitchell, nothing to help you there. Scottish Documents.com at the NAS...... http://www.scottishdocuments.com/placePage.aspx?placeRef=18864&vAllVol=yes&vAllRel=yes The site says to click on the reference to view a volume in a new window, all it does is take you to a log-in page not to the volume reference. Parish of Kelton A parish in the county of Kirkcudbright. It consisted of three united parishes, Kelton, Gelston and Kirkcormick (of old Kilcormic), the latter two having been annexed into the Kelton church in 1698. The Church of Scotland kirk session for Kelton sat within the presbytery of Kirkcudbright and the synod of Galloway. Records available To view a volume in a new window, simply click on its volume reference number. Kirk session records Kirk session minutes (1715-1727,1782-1786) accounts (1761-1762,1785-1789) (CH2/203/1) Kirk session minutes (1762-1861) (CH2/203/2) Kirk session minutes (1821-1831) and communion roll (1879) (CH2/203/3) Kirk session minutes (1834-1837) (CH2/203/4) Kirk session accounts (1812-1833) (CH2/203/6) Kirk session accounts (1837-1845) (CH2/203/8) Kirk session accounts (1868-1895) (CH2/203/11) Communion roll (1864-1879) (CH2/203/13) Communion roll (1880-1893) (CH2/203/14) Parochial visitation book (1826-1838) (CH2/203/15) Minutes and accounts for the erection of a church gallery (1821-1873) (CH2/203/16) Papers relating to stipend (1833-1903) (CH2/203/17) Papers relating to the school at Castle Douglas (1790-1823) (CH2/203/18) Papers relating to seat allocation in church and land for new burial ground (1804-1880) (CH2/203/19) If there are no records available to view or you want to look for other records relating to this place, go to our records unavailable page. Regards Jenny
Thanks for this information, Jo Ann. It's always helpful to be reminded of how the poor were taken care of. I have two poor relief applications which someone got for me from the Mitchell Library, I think, but as the applicants resided in Glasgow they ended up in the City Poor House, Parliamentary Rd., Glasgow (long since gone). I could contact the Mitchell to see if records for other than Lanarkshire are on file. Maisie ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Re: Market Hill Poorhouse records, Kelton Cty., KKBT (Jo Ann Croft) --------------------------------- Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Market Hill Poorhouse records, Kelton Cty., KKBT Prior to 1845 when the government passed a law addressing the subject, the poor were taken care of by the kirk. Below is a quote from the NAS website explaining how it worked. This means that such records would be part of the Kirk Session records for each parish. I believe that all kirk session records are held by the Mitchell Library, but you could check with the Dumfries Archives. "Poor relief before 1845 The first acts of parliament to deal with the relief of the poor were passed in 1424. Most of these and subsequent acts in the 15th and 16th centuries were aimed at dealing with the problem of 'sturdy beggars'. Few records detailing individuals survive from this period. After the Reformation the responsibility for the poor fell on the parish, jointly through the heritors (local landowners) (NAS ref. HR) and the kirk sessions (NAS ref. CH2). The heritors often made voluntary contributions to the poor fund in preference to being assessed (a tax on the owners of land or property). The kirk sessions raised income for the poor from fines, payments for carrying out marriages, baptisms and funerals and church collections. Lists of distributions to the poor in cash and in kind will appear in records of the heritors and kirk sessions. Sometimes poor relief records were kept in a separate volume for that particular parish. In the majority of cases, however, you should look for minutes or accounts and then simply trawl through the entries to see if there are any relating to poor relief. Unfortunately there is usually no quick way of searching through these records since poor relief was almost always recorded in amongst all the other financial business of the parish." Here is a link to a good explanation of how the Stewartry of Kirkcudbright handled the situation after the passage of the "Poor Act". http://www.old-kirkcudbright.net/genealogy/poor.asp Jo-Ann On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:00 AM, <sct-wigtownshire-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:31:22 -0700 > From: "Maisie Egger" <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [WIG LIST] Market Hill Poorhouse records, Kelton Cty., KKBT > > > I have been led to believe that the records for Kelton, Kirkcudbrightshire > are pretty dismal, but perhaps someone can cast some light on where the > records might now be stored for Market Hill Poor & House, Kelton County, > Kirkcudbrightshire. > > The census for 1841 shows a resident there at the age of 80, born 1761, > occupation pauper, born Kirkcubrightshire. > > I have copies of poorhouse applications for the City Poorhouse, Glasgow, > which are fairly informative, with names and addresses of children, > parents? names, etc. > > These records are in the Mitchell Library, Glasgow, one of the largest > reference libraries in Europe. > > Can anyone tell me about where the poorhouse records could be accessed for > Kirkcudbrightshire...under Dumfries & Galloway Archives? > > Maisie > > > ------------------------------
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Maisie, Prior to 1845 when the government passed a law addressing the subject, the poor were taken care of by the kirk. Below is a quote from the NAS website explaining how it worked. This means that such records would be part of the Kirk Session records for each parish. I believe that all kirk session records are held by the Mitchell Library, but you could check with the Dumfries Archives. "Poor relief before 1845 The first acts of parliament to deal with the relief of the poor were passed in 1424. Most of these and subsequent acts in the 15th and 16th centuries were aimed at dealing with the problem of 'sturdy beggars'. Few records detailing individuals survive from this period. After the Reformation the responsibility for the poor fell on the parish, jointly through the heritors (local landowners) (NAS ref. HR) and the kirk sessions (NAS ref. CH2). The heritors often made voluntary contributions to the poor fund in preference to being assessed (a tax on the owners of land or property). The kirk sessions raised income for the poor from fines, payments for carrying out marriages, baptisms and funerals and church collections. Lists of distributions to the poor in cash and in kind will appear in records of the heritors and kirk sessions. Sometimes poor relief records were kept in a separate volume for that particular parish. In the majority of cases, however, you should look for minutes or accounts and then simply trawl through the entries to see if there are any relating to poor relief. Unfortunately there is usually no quick way of searching through these records since poor relief was almost always recorded in amongst all the other financial business of the parish." Here is a link to a good explanation of how the Stewartry of Kirkcudbright handled the situation after the passage of the "Poor Act". http://www.old-kirkcudbright.net/genealogy/poor.asp Jo-Ann On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 3:00 AM, <sct-wigtownshire-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 15:31:22 -0700 > From: "Maisie Egger" <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [WIG LIST] Market Hill Poorhouse records, Kelton Cty., KKBT > > > I have been led to believe that the records for Kelton, Kirkcudbrightshire > are pretty dismal, but perhaps someone can cast some light on where the > records might now be stored for Market Hill Poor & House, Kelton County, > Kirkcudbrightshire. > > The census for 1841 shows a resident there at the age of 80, born 1761, > occupation pauper, born Kirkcubrightshire. > > I have copies of poorhouse applications for the City Poorhouse, Glasgow, > which are fairly informative, with names and addresses of children, > parents? names, etc. > > These records are in the Mitchell Library, Glasgow, one of the largest > reference libraries in Europe. > > Can anyone tell me about where the poorhouse records could be accessed for > Kirkcudbrightshire...under Dumfries & Galloway Archives? > > Maisie > > >
I have been led to believe that the records for Kelton, Kirkcudbrightshire are pretty dismal, but perhaps someone can cast some light on where the records might now be stored for Market Hill Poor & House, Kelton County, Kirkcudbrightshire. The census for 1841 shows a resident there at the age of 80, born 1761, occupation pauper, born Kirkcubrightshire. I have copies of poorhouse applications for the City Poorhouse, Glasgow, which are fairly informative, with names and addresses of children, parents’ names, etc. These records are in the Mitchell Library, Glasgow, one of the largest reference libraries in Europe. Can anyone tell me about where the poorhouse records could be accessed for Kirkcudbrightshire...under Dumfries & Galloway Archives? Maisie
Well, as mentioned before, there’s a “somewhat possibility” that I have a fanciful passing acquaintance with Robert Burns, Scotland’s national poet, bar none, if I can confirm that Henry Clint, vintner, innkeeper of the King’s Arms Hotel, Dumfries is related to me. Robert Burns wrote the following about his collection of poems for his friend John McMurdo: “””When you are tired of them, please leave them with Mr. Clint, of the King's Arms.””” Assuming that the transaction took place between Mr. Clint (Henry’s father was also Thomas Clint, vintner and innkeeper at this King’s Arms) and Mr. McMurdo, this likely means that Robert Burns frequented this inn/hotel often enough to know the innkeeper by name, ergo Mr. Clint. The next name-dropping is less tenuous as my father’s uncle, John Clint, was a coachman to Benjamin Rigby Murray, owner of one the biggest cotton spilling mills in Manchester. His forebears. Adam and George Murray, who started the mills, came from Southwest Scotland. Another Scottish combo, McConnell and Kennedy, were also famous in the cotton mill spinning industry and at one point combined forces with Murray’s Mills. At the height of the success of Murray’s Mills, over 1,000 were employed, working 72 hours a week under terrible conditions. An investigation into working conditions reduced the hours to 69 hours per week. The average wage was 11/-s (eleven shillings) a week. Mostly women and children were employed in the mills. This was “good money” when one of my Irish kin died in the City poorhouse Glasgow where it was noted had been earning 1/6d (one shilling and sixpence ) a week as a shoe binder. Benjamin Rigby Murray used his vast fortune when he retired to Kirkcudbrightshire where his forebears had come from to live in a big enough mansion, referred to as Parton House, which required 11 servants, a nurse, lady’s maid, cook, gardener, you name it, as well as a coachman…and this is where my father’s uncle fits it. He was the coachman in this take-off of Downton Abbey! John Clint was an excellent artist of two notable oil paintings that I know of, one of ‘Balcary Bay and Hestan Island’ and the other entitled ‘The Grampians.’ I let the former get out of my grasp when I was home in the early 1980s, and the latter is hanging in Auchencairn House, now a private riding school. As also alluded to before, Jean and John Johnstone on the Lanark list, managed to get access to the painting in Auchencairn House and sent me a copy of the photograph they took of it. The owners have been less than forthcoming in answering my queries about what they know of its provenance. This John Clint probably lost his job as a coachman with the advent of the automobile and ended up as the hotelkeeper of the Victoria Temperance Hotel, Castle Douglas. He and his wife Bessie (Elizabeth) McKenzie, married in Glasgow when he was visiting my father’s father Peter Clint, originally from Auchencairn, Kirkcudbrightshire. I was right there in Castle Douglas when my school went potato picking in the surrounding farms during the war and didn’t know a thing about my father’s forebears at that time. Now it’s catch-up time but sadly the major players have left the stage. Name-dropping as the lives of Henry Clint, vinter, innkeeper, and John Clint, coachman, hotelkeeper, have been uncovered has been a real kick. Henry Clint is a sticky wicket, however, as he was around too early in the late 1700s to find records for him, plus the thought is that he may have come from England. I have received so much help from Irene Macleod, Erica Johnstone, Dumfries and Galloway archivist as well as Malcolm Lockerbie of the Wigtownshire list, that I would never have been this far along on my search. Now that I have a ton of documents (a four inch binder full) maybe it’s time to start the narrative. Of course, any ideas on how to track Henry Clint’s roots would be greatly appreciated. Maisie
Hi Rosemary, Following your off-list info that Peter & Mary had a daughter Sarah, I revisited Scotlandspeople and found that the 09 Dec1851 birth/baptism record was for Sarah MOORE, parents Peter & Mary. I also looked at the 1861 census transcript on FreeCEN and see that it has Sarah listed as a niece of Thomas instead of his granddaughter. FreeCEN transcriptions are mostly accurate, so I suspect this mistake appeared on the original enumeration. Note that it shows Mary as a widow, so either Peter had died, or she was covering up for his disappearance. I think it highly likely that he died before 1855. Note also that Mary used her maiden name in both the 1851 and 1861 census. That wasn't unusual, but was can be very handy for genealogists. I have reformatted the FreeCEN data, as the Rootsweb formatting otherwise can make a mess of normal tabulated data. *1861 Census* Piece: SCT1861/899 Place: Stranraer -Wigtownshire Enumeration District: 6 Civil Parish: Stranraer Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Stranraer Burgh Folio: 0 Page: 13 Schedule: 73 Address: 4 Hillhead Surname / First name(s) / Rel / Status / Sex / Age / Occupation / Where Born / Remarks MCGEOCH / Thomas / Head / W / F / 54 / General Dealer / Ireland - - / 3 rooms MCGEOCH / Mary / Dau / W / F / 29 / Housekeeper / Ireland - - / MCGEOCH / Patrick / Son / M / M / 26 / Fisherman / Wigtownshire - Stranraer / MCGEOCH / Peter / Son / U / M / 17 / Dealer / Wigtownshire - Stranraer / MCGEOCH / Bernard / Son / U / M / 13 / Scholar / Wigtownshire - Stranraer / MOORE / Sarah / Niece / - / F / 9 / Scholar / Wigtownshire - Stranraer / Its a pity that there are no burial records for St Josephs on Scotlandspeople. The Dumfries & Galloway Family History Society have lots of booklets of Monumental Inscriptions. http://www.dgfhs.org.uk/userfiles/file/MIs%20and%20burials%20list%20combined%209%20May%202013.pdf I don't know what the chances are like with finding catholics in them. Other list subsrcibers may be able to comment on that. Regards, Bruce
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jinxnojunk Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/108.370.412/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Could your John McConnell be the Grandson Of Alexander McConnell & his wife Jean Christie of Wigtownshire? I believe their son William was b 1751 in Wigtown m Elizabeth Hannay who died in 1794 aged 28. (Childbirth?) William & Elizabeth's son, John McConnell, b 1794, emigrated to Fort Erie Canada, where he died in December 1876 aged 82. You can reply to me at jinxnojunk@hotmail.com I will share what I have learned. Jinx McDonald nee McConnell Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.
Hi Rosemary, >From the list archives, Diana Henry has posted the following from the Wigtown Free Press: From: DIANA HENRY To: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 4:08 PM Subject: BMD'S FROM WFP 6TH MARCH, 1851 <snip> This is a very poor copy, I will make what I can of it. *MARRIAGES* MOORE, Peter - M2/3/1851 - Here, on the 2d instant, by the Rev. ??????????, Mr Peter Moore, blacksmith, to Mary, ????????Mr Thomas M'Geoch, dealer. BARC???, JAMES - M(2(8)/2/1851) - At Cairniehill, Tongland, on the 2(8) ??? (by) the Rev. Mr Williamson, Mr James Barc???. <snip> This doesn't specify St Josephs, but Scotlandspeople has the following; *Catholic Banns & Marriages*: 02 Mar 1851 Stranraer, St Josephs MONE, Peter McGEOGH, Mary MONE was possibly a transcription error, taking an ‘r’ as an ‘n’. (The info showed normal use of case. The upper case here was mine, to highlight family names. I am assuming that the original was written normally.) There was a MOORE baptism on 09 Dec 1851, which seems a strong possibility for a child of this couple. There are 2 hits, so perhaps the child was born and baptised the same day. There are no death/burial records on Scotlandspeople for St Josephs. Regards, Bruce