> Meoul has been spelled as Myole, and possible Mule, but I haven't come > across this last one yet in the records, it may be that it is just a local > pronunciation - "The Mule". This reminded me of a "fact of life." Once a family gets to the States (and perhaps elsewhere), they may talk about their former place...but it is heard by "American" ears and spelled by (ofttimes inept) American spellers (since education wasn't what it might have been "then"). Before long even a town's most ardent residents would be hard-pressed to recognize "that" and "theirs". And at the new place it would be taken for gospel and no other name would be considered. Kristy...who has found several such events so far...in Illinois (Watch for Lawrie and Anderson, Brown, Hiddleson, Ferguson, Finlayson...in your farm research, please Diana)

Hi Frances I found this fascinating and would love to see more. Thank you. Ella Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: <FrancesABlack@aol.com> To: <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2007 9:42 PM Subject: [WIG LIST] Wigtown and Whithorn Adverts > >From Wigtown and Whithorn: by Gordon Fraser: 1877 > Thought the following might be of some interest! > > 1 "GORDON FRASER, Druggist, Printer, Bookseller, Stationer and > News-Agent. North Main Street (The Square) Wigtown. Reporting Engagements > made, and > Shorthand Classes conducted during the Winter" > 2 "THOMAS GRAHAM, family Grocer, Seedsman, Wine and Spirit Merchant, > Wigtown. > Sole agent for the famed Golden Hop Ale and London Nourishing Stout, > (Highly > recommended by the Medical Profession for Invalids). > Bass', Allsops and Worthington Ales (Always to be had in prime condition > in > Bottles and Nine and Eighteen-Gallon Casks. > Fine Old Glenlivet and Bladnoch Whiskey (The latter to be matured in > Brandy > and Sherry Casks) > Port, Sherry, Champagne, Sparkling Moselle, St. Julien's Claret, Brandy in > Wood and Bottle, Rum, Holland's, Old Tom Ginger Wine, Rose's Lime Juice > Cordial. > Garden and Agricultural Seeds > Price List on Application - established thirty five years" > 3 "JAMES KELLY Monumental Sculptor and Hewer, Bank Street, Wigtown. > Monuments and Tombstones in Granite and Freestone. Designs on > Application. Marble > and Granite Lettering. Orders for Work at a distance punctually attended > to." > > 4 "Galloway Arms Hotel Wigtown. This Hotel has recently undergone > extensive alterations and improvements. It is now replete with every > convenience for > Private Families, Tourists and Commercial Gentlemen. Bus to meet all the > trains.JOHN HASTINGS, Proprietor." > 5 "To the Farmers of the Lower District of Wigtownshire - WILLIAM > RODGER > Church Place, Wigtown Proprietor of several of Clayton & Shuttleworth's > (Lincoln) Portable Steam Thrashing Machines and Patent Straw Elevators, > Respectfully announces to the Farmers of Wigtownshire and the Stewarty of > Kirkcudbright > that he is prepared to undertake and execute any orders with which they > may > entrust him on the shortest notice, and on the most moderate terms" > 6 "WILLIAM McKENNA Joiner and Picture Frame Maker Main St Wigtown - A > Large variet of Picture Frame Mouldings. Always on Hand." > 7 "ALEXANDER McKEAND Tallow Chandler, Main Street, Opposite the Square, > Wigtown. Orders from the Country punctually attended to. Tallow bought or > exchanged" > 8 "JAMES GORDON Main Street Wigtown - Manure Agent, Commission Agent > and > Agent for the City of Glasgow Insurance Company" > 9 "ANDREW McKEAND Cattle Salesman and Commission Agent, Main St. > Wigtown" > 10 "WILLIAM THOMSON Wholesale and Retail Merchang Wigtown - established > 27 > years. Has the best general assorted Stock in Galloway of Jewellery, > Cutlery, > Ironmongery, Silver and Silver Plated Goods, Crystal, China, Stoneware, > Lustres, Fancy Flower Pots, Vases, Chimney Ornaments, Glass Shades, Gilt > and > Black Stands, Dinner Tea and Toilet Sets in Great Variety of Patterns, > Gilt > Chimney and other mirrors, writing desks, dressing cases, work boxes, tea > caddies, > ink stands, portfolios, books slides, bird cages, baskets - all kinds, > furniture, carpets, matting, oil-cloths, brass and iron bedsteads, hair > wool and > straw mattresses, feather beds, bolsters and pillows, cradles, > perambulators, > lamps, oils, paints, powder, shot, caps, wad etc. sprigs, nails, spikes, > scythes, hooks, rakes, forks, hay knifes, stones, strakes, sack barrow, > sacks, > turnip cutters, washing machines, wringers, mangles etc" > 11 "PETER McKEAND Family Grocer WIne and Spirit Merchant Wigtown > Established over half a century. > Sparkling Hocks 2s 9d and 3s 5d per bottle > Sparkling Moselles 2s 9d and 3s 5d per bottle > Gins 2s 2s and 5d and 2s 10d per bottle > Whiskeys 2s 1d 2s 6d ad 2s 11d per bottle > Brandies 2s 3d 2s 8d 3s 3s 6d 4s and 4s 9d per bottle > Rums 2s 3d 2s 8d 3s 3s 3d and 3s 4d per bottle > Hollands 2s 8d per bottle > Bass Pale Ale in Quart and Pint Bottles" > > If anyone finds these interesting I can post more. Let me know if you just > want the names of the shops or the contents of the advert. They are > certainly > different to today's advertising. > Best wishes to all for 2007 > Frances Black > _www.scottishancestor.co.uk_ (http://www.scottishancestor.co.uk) > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

http://www.ngsgenealogy.org/ "The National Genealogical Society will be holding its Conference in the States and Family History Fair in Richmond, Virginia 16-19 May, 2007. The conference will take place at the Greater Richmond Convention Center and Richmond Marriott Hotel. The conference features over 140 educational sessions, workshops, computer workshops, luncheons and social events. It is aimed at everyone from the complete beginner through to the most experienced genealogist. There will be tracks on ethnic research, GENTECH (genealogical technology), Board for Certification of Genealogy, National Archives and Records Administration and many more. Full information on the conference can be found at: http://www.eshow2000.com/ngs/2007. Registration is now open online. The Family History Fair will feature over 150 exhibitors of genealogical goods and services displaying their products. Non-attendees of the conference are welcome to visit at the Greater Richmond Convention Center May 16 -19 free of charge to the exhibit hall displays. Exhibitors will include genealogical software vendors, genealogical book sellers, genealogical and historical societies, and many more." This conference comes on the heels of the Jamestown 2007 highlight weekend -- May 13-14: http://www.jamestown2007.org/. As a Richmond resident and former resident of Williamsburg (not to mention my Jamestown roots!), I invite you all to visit our historic triangle (Williamsburg-Jamestown-Yorktown) and Richmond itself. Do let me know if you decide to come -- private, insider tours available! Mary Richardson

Hi there, Would anyone know of the existence or locations of two places in Wigtownshire called Kildonan and Mule. Kildonan could be in either Portpatrick or Stoneykirk Parish. Any help would be much appreciated Kind regards, Tony Maxwell

At 01:20 PM 1/9/2007, Diana Henry wrote: >.. >MARRIAGES >... >DOUGLAS, John - M16/3/1854 - At Droughtag, parish of Mochrum, on the >16th inst., by the Rev. Alex Young, Mr John Douglas, farmer, >Kirkland, Leswalt, to Sarah, daughter of Mr Stewart, farmer, there. Sarah's father was Alexander STEWART. In 1841, he was married to Ann (nee STEVEN?), and his other children were Alexander, Grace, John, and William. All born in Wigtownshire. There was another STEWART family "next door." Mary Richardson

At 10:24 AM 1/9/2007, Diana Henry wrote: >... >DEATHS >... >YOUNG/M'CULLOCH, Maitland - D11/3/1854 - At Wigtown, on the 11th >instant, Maitland M'Culloch, wife of the Rev. Peter Young, minister of Wigtown. >... This one puzzled me because Diana posted this last November: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE/2006-11/1164309525 Death notice in 25 Aug 1853 Wigtown Free Press, "At Garliestown, on the 18th instant, Mrs Young wife of the Rev. Mr Young after a tedious illness borne with Christian resignation and submission." To which I added this about the Rev. Peter YOUNG and his wife, Maitland McCULLOCH: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE/2006-11/1164318313. The transcription of Maitland McCULLOCH YOUNG's Wigtown MI says she "died 11th March 1834." I knew the year was off and figured the date was, too, based on the 25 Aug 1853 WFP death notice. Now, it looks like the date is correct and that the year is just a transcription boo-boo. If that's the case, who was the minister's wife who died in 1853? A Wigtown death for Maitland makes more sense than a "Garliestown" death because Rev. Peter Young was the minister at Wigtown for 65 years. I pulled my copy of "The History of Sorbie Parish Church" to see what it could tell me about Sorbie ministers in the 1850s. (One just never knows when such little booklet purchases will come in handy!) On page 15 begins a description of how Congregationalists gained a foothold in Sorbie and in 1803 established a chapel in Cowgate, Garlieston under Rev. Thomas Smith. Rev. Smith served for 25 years and "was succeeded by a Rev. T. Young who began a ministry in Garlieston noted for its strict and censorious approach to church life. Members of the chapel began to rebuke people in the village who transgressed the standards of the group....Such rebukes were issued publicly, and some of those rebuked were excommunicated from the chapel. Because of these attitudes, some of the chapel members began to walk to Whithorn to worship at the Secession Church there. The strictness of the chapel ended when that minister left after forty years in Garlieston." So when the Rev. T. YOUNG's poor wife died "after a tedious illness," perhaps she died of despondency from a life of NO FUN! Regardless, I stand corrected on the wives of the Revs. YOUNG. This is where it would be nice to be able to add to an existing mail list thread when more information becomes available. Oh well :-( Mary Richardson P.S. "The History of Sorbie Parish Church" devotes about five pages to the Congregationalists and Secessionists. From the first time I read this, I was struck by how much they reminded me of my own Wig family, who lived just north of Sorbie in southern Kirkinner. Made me wonder if they became Free Churchers, especially because after settling in the U.S. in the 1850s, my gg-grandfather became an itinerant Methodist (NOT Presbyterian) minister. My mother has always suggested he was of the "hell, fire, and brimstone" ilk. I wonder if any other listers have similar stories?

BIRTHS VANS AGNEW, Female - B12/3/1854 - At Rome, on the 12th instant, the lady of Robert Vans Agnew, Esq., of Sheuchan and Barnbarroch, of a daughter. VANS AGNEW, Male - B27/1/1854 - At Madras, on the 27th January last, the lady of John Vans Agnew, Esq., of a son. CARNEGIE, Male - B20/3/1854 - At 81, Piccadily, London, on the 20th instant, The Lady Catherine Carnegie, of a son and heir. CHESNEY, Male - B15/3/1854 - At Stoneykirk Village, on the 15th instant, the wife of Mr James Chesney, saddler, of a son. TAIT, Male - B20/3/1854 - At Wigtown, on the 20th instant the wife of Mr James Tait, painter, of a son. BELL, Female - B19/3/1854 - At Wigtown Row, Newton-Stewart, on the 19th instant, the wife of Mr William Bell, coach-builder, of a daughter. MUIR, Female - B17/3/1854 - At Newton-Stewart, on the 17th instant, the wife of Mr Andw. Muir, gardener, Corsbie, of a daughter. HETHERINGTON, Male - B18/3/1854 - At Garroch, parish of Kells, on the 18th instant, the wife of Mr John Hetherington, gamekeeper to T.H. M'Connel, Esq., of a son. GRIERSON, Female - B24/2/1854 - At Great Valley, State of New York, America, on the 24th last, the wife of Mr Alexander Grierson, of a daughter; - formerly in Grennan Mill, Dalry. MARRIAGES PATERSON, David - M20/3/1854 - Here, at Hillhead, by the Rev. James Stewart, on the 20th inst., Mr David Paterson, smith, Glenapp, to Miss Mary Stables. DOUGLAS, John - M16/3/1854 - At Droughtag, parish of Mochrum, on the 16th inst., by the Rev. Alex Young, Mr John Douglas, farmer, Kirkland, Leswalt, to Sarah, daughter of Mr Stewart, farmer, there. DEATHS M'INTYRE, Elizabeth - D19/3/1854 - Here at George Street, on the 19th inst., Elizabeth M'Intyre, aged 23. MOODIE, James - D21/3/1854 - At Newton-Stewart, on the 21st instant, Mr James Moodie. M'GARVA, Robert - D17/3/1854 - At Minnigaff Village, on the 17th instant, Robert, son of Mr Hugh M'Garva, aged 3 years. MURRAY, John - D20/2/1854 - At Liverpool, on the 20th ult., Mr John Murray, aged 20 years, a native of Gatehouse-of-Fleet, Kirkcudbrightshire.

Dear Frances: I find these facinating! I had two ancestors in Bladnoch - one was Janet Kellochan McCulloch who was a grocer there, and William Paton (Patton) who was a tea merchant there; any mention of them? Thanks for this great research! Regards, Nancy Sterling researching: McCulloch, Gordon, Kellochan, Sproat, Herron, in Wigtownshire ----- Original Message ----- From: FrancesABlack@aol.com Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2007 5:43 am Subject: [WIG LIST] Wigtown and Whithorn Adverts To: Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com > >From Wigtown and Whithorn: by Gordon Fraser: 1877 > Thought the following might be of some interest! > > 1 "GORDON FRASER, Druggist, Printer, Bookseller, Stationer > and > News-Agent. North Main Street (The Square) Wigtown. Reporting > Engagements made, and > Shorthand Classes conducted during the Winter" > 2 "THOMAS GRAHAM, family Grocer, Seedsman, Wine and Spirit > Merchant, > Wigtown. > Sole agent for the famed Golden Hop Ale and London Nourishing > Stout, (Highly > recommended by the Medical Profession for Invalids). > Bass', Allsops and Worthington Ales (Always to be had in prime > condition in > Bottles and Nine and Eighteen-Gallon Casks. > Fine Old Glenlivet and Bladnoch Whiskey (The latter to be > matured in Brandy > and Sherry Casks) > Port, Sherry, Champagne, Sparkling Moselle, St. Julien's Claret, > Brandy in > Wood and Bottle, Rum, Holland's, Old Tom Ginger Wine, Rose's > Lime Juice > Cordial. > Garden and Agricultural Seeds > Price List on Application - established thirty five years" > 3 "JAMES KELLY Monumental Sculptor and Hewer, Bank Street, > Wigtown. > Monuments and Tombstones in Granite and Freestone. Designs on > Application. Marble > and Granite Lettering. Orders for Work at a distance punctually > attended to." > > 4 "Galloway Arms Hotel Wigtown. This Hotel has recently > undergone > extensive alterations and improvements. It is now replete with > every convenience for > Private Families, Tourists and Commercial Gentlemen. Bus to > meet all the > trains.JOHN HASTINGS, Proprietor." > 5 "To the Farmers of the Lower District of Wigtownshire - > WILLIAM RODGER > Church Place, Wigtown Proprietor of several of Clayton & > Shuttleworth's > (Lincoln) Portable Steam Thrashing Machines and Patent Straw > Elevators, > Respectfully announces to the Farmers of Wigtownshire and the > Stewarty of Kirkcudbright > that he is prepared to undertake and execute any orders with > which they may > entrust him on the shortest notice, and on the most moderate terms" > 6 "WILLIAM McKENNA Joiner and Picture Frame Maker Main St > Wigtown - A > Large variet of Picture Frame Mouldings. Always on Hand." > 7 "ALEXANDER McKEAND Tallow Chandler, Main Street, Opposite > the Square, > Wigtown. Orders from the Country punctually attended to. Tallow > bought or > exchanged" > 8 "JAMES GORDON Main Street Wigtown - Manure Agent, > Commission Agent and > Agent for the City of Glasgow Insurance Company" > 9 "ANDREW McKEAND Cattle Salesman and Commission Agent, Main > St. Wigtown" > 10 "WILLIAM THOMSON Wholesale and Retail Merchang Wigtown - > established 27 > years. Has the best general assorted Stock in Galloway of > Jewellery, Cutlery, > Ironmongery, Silver and Silver Plated Goods, Crystal, China, > Stoneware, > Lustres, Fancy Flower Pots, Vases, Chimney Ornaments, Glass > Shades, Gilt and > Black Stands, Dinner Tea and Toilet Sets in Great Variety of > Patterns, Gilt > Chimney and other mirrors, writing desks, dressing cases, work > boxes, tea caddies, > ink stands, portfolios, books slides, bird cages, baskets - all > kinds, > furniture, carpets, matting, oil-cloths, brass and iron > bedsteads, hair wool and > straw mattresses, feather beds, bolsters and pillows, cradles, > perambulators, > lamps, oils, paints, powder, shot, caps, wad etc. sprigs, nails, > spikes, > scythes, hooks, rakes, forks, hay knifes, stones, strakes, sack > barrow, sacks, > turnip cutters, washing machines, wringers, mangles etc" > 11 "PETER McKEAND Family Grocer WIne and Spirit Merchant > Wigtown > Established over half a century. > Sparkling Hocks 2s 9d and 3s 5d per bottle > Sparkling Moselles 2s 9d and 3s 5d per bottle > Gins 2s 2s and 5d and 2s 10d per bottle > Whiskeys 2s 1d 2s 6d ad 2s 11d per bottle > Brandies 2s 3d 2s 8d 3s 3s 6d 4s and 4s 9d per bottle > Rums 2s 3d 2s 8d 3s 3s 3d and 3s 4d per bottle > Hollands 2s 8d per bottle > Bass Pale Ale in Quart and Pint Bottles" > > If anyone finds these interesting I can post more. Let me know > if you just > want the names of the shops or the contents of the advert. They > are certainly > different to today's advertising. > Best wishes to all for 2007 > Frances Black > _www.scottishancestor.co.uk_ (http://www.scottishancestor.co.uk) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT- > WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From the WFP Archives 29th May, 1862 Edward Rodgers, aged about sixty years, residing with his family at Crook, parish of Kirkinner, took breakfast at home at about 5 o'clock on the morning of the 21st inst., purposing thereafter to proceed to Carseduchan to cut peats. About 8 o'clock a young man observed him coming down through the village of Kirkinner, talking as if arguing with another individual. Shortly afterwards he was seen going through a field on the east side of Kirkinner and putting off his coat at the back of the dyke, then making a race into the mill-dam which leads to Westmains mill. An alarm was given to the blacksmith and sawyers, at Kirkinner mill, by a boy who came from Crook. Macadam and others went to the place, and took the body out of the water, but found that life was extinct. Rodgers could not have been above 15 or 20 minutes in the water when he was found as the place where he threw himself into the dam (is only) about 300 or 350 yards from the smithy and sawmill. The friends of the deceased have for some time past considered his mind in a weak state. Diana

BIRTHS M'MASTER, Male - B10/3/1854 - At George Street, Stranraer, on the 10th instant the wife of Mr M'Master, baker, of a son. GORDON, Male - B10/3/1854 - At Portree, Portpatrick, on the 10th instant, Mrs Arthur H. Gordon, of a son. YOUNG, Female - B2/3/1854 - At the Manse, Mochrum, on the 2d inst., the wife of the Rev. Alexander Young, A.M., of a daughter. FULTON, Male - B14/3/1854 - At Cotton Mill, Newton-Stewart, on the 14th inst., the wife of Mr John Fulton, weaver, of a son. GRAY, Female - B8/3/1854 - At Newton-Stewart, on the 8th inst., the wife of Mr James Gray, draper, of a daughter. ROBBS, Male Twins - B7/3/1854 - At Newton-Stewart, on the 7th, the wife of Mr Robert Robbs, of twin sons. HUSBAND, Male - B14/3/1854 - At Wigtown, on the 14th instant, the wife of Mr J.W. Husband, teacher, Normal School, of a son. M'CULLOCH, Male - B8/3/1854 - At Glenduisk, on the 8th inst., the wife of William M'Culloch, Esq., of a son. M'CONOCHIE, Male - B3/3/1854 - At Colmonell, on the 3d instant, Mrs Thomas M'Conochie, of a son. BRYDON, Male - B4/3/1854 - At Boreland Lodge, Minnigaff, on the 4th inst., Mrs Brydon, of a son. MARRIAGES ROLLO, John - M7/3/1854 - At Carpow House, on the 7th instant, by the Rev. David Duncan, the Hon John Rollo, to Jane Hay, youngest daughter of the late James Paterson, Esq., of Carpow. M'CALLUM, John - M10/3/1854 - At Blackloch, near Gatehouse, on the 10th inst., by the Rev. Thomas Johnstone of Anwoth, John M'Callum, gamekeeper, Syllodeoch, to Ann, second daughter of Samuel Brown, farm steward in Blackloch. DEATHS AGNEW, Marion - D15/3/1854 - Here, at Hanover Street, in the house of Mr Taylor, on the 15th instant, Marion Agnew, of the Glaik, Stoneykirk, aged 57 years. ORR, Margaret - D9/3/1854 - Here, at Townhead, on the 9th inst., Margaret, aged 4 years, daughter of Mr William Orr. YOUNG/M'CULLOCH, Maitland - D11/3/1854 - At Wigtown, on the 11th instant, Maitland M'Culloch, wife of the Rev. Peter Young, minister of Wigtown. M'MILLAN, Robert - D2/3/1854 - At Barrhill, on the 2d instant, Robert second son of Mr Alexander M'Millan, shoemaker, aged eleven years.

Bill Kelly wrote: <snip> One member of the McCluskey family who did remain in the area was my grandfather's cousin, Margaret Roddie (Roddy?) who married Bernard Herbert in 1897 and had at least two children, - Margaret and James born in 1898 and 1899 respectively. Bernard was a corn miller and may have owned a mill in the Wigtown area. I was wondering if any of the contributers recognised these names or knows of the mill? Also I wondered if any of these families' descendants still live in the area and / or may have access to this list? <snip> Hi Bill, Have you tried the 1901 census to find which mill your Bernard Herbert was residing, assuming he was resident at the mill itself? Over a period of at least 160 years, my McDOWALLs were millers in the parishes of Sorbie, Kirkinner and Wigtown, so I have an interest in mills of the area. Although I have not attempted to compile a list of all mills, I do know there were many. In 1901, the McDOWALLs were at the Milldriggan Mill, Kirkinner. Earlier, they also operated the Torhouse Mill, Wigtown, but were not there in 1901. At that time, I doubt that many millers owned their mill, the ROUTLEDGE family at Elrig, Mochrum, being possible exceptions. Most would have been tenants. The Milldriggan Mill was owned by the Earl of Galloway. Things went bad for him sometime between 1907 and WW1, and he offered parts of his estate for sale. That was when my great uncle became owner, and not just the miller. Regards, Bruce

Hi Bruce, Firstly, apologies for giving the impression that you had loked at the Penninghame OPRs for me. I knew that you hadn't, a case of clumsy text!! Re Elizabeth McLellan (various spellings). The sequence of my find was: 1) An Elizabeth Kelly 44 b. Ireland appears on the 1861 census as James wife at Ivy Bank Cottages, Minnigaff along with his children William 24, Joseph 20, James 17 and Jane 12. James was a widower on the 1851 census. 2) Elizabeth Clellan married James Kelly 31 May 1851 Minnigaff (IGI). 3) James Kelly(ie) 61, 'widower' on 1871 census Creebridge, Minnigaff living with daughter Margaret Neilson and her family plus James Kelly 5, grandson b, Kirkmabreck (child of his son William/ Margaret Hyslop?) 4) Found death cert. 14 October 1868 Creebridge, Minnigaff for Elizabeth Kelly 52, married to James Kelly, parents William McLellan/MaryDunlop, both deceased. 5)James own death cert 8 March 1878 at Creebridge gives widower of Margaret Hannah, no mention of Elizabeth!! 6)Later found James and Elizabeth had their own daughter Mary chr.22 August 1854(IGI) and died 1859 Minnigaff (Scot. People) 7)Going back to the 1851 census I found Elizabeth McLelland 34 b. Ireland living alone with her mother Mary 58 b.Ireland a pauper living at Newton Stewart Cotton Mill. 8) McLelland family living in Newton Stewart on 1841 census. William53 ag. lab. b.Ireland Mary 50 b. Ireland Elizabeth 25 b. Ireland James22 ag. lab. b.WGT William 18 h.l.w. b.WGT Robert 15 h.l.w. b. WGT Alexander 9 b. WGT The only other McLelland in NS was Margaret 20 b.WGT servant High Street. 9)The Elizabeth McClellan 47 you mention in Kirkcowan in 1851 was born in P'hame and I have now found the other in 1851 b. Ireland with the right parents. The Kirkcowan one was married to James Kelly on 25 March 1839 in Kirkcowan(IGI) and appears as his wife there in 1841 and 1861, so being referred to by her maiden name in 1851 is strange- a typical census error!! In fact she was chr. 13 October 1803 Penninghame parents John McClellan/Elizabeth Simpson who were married 9Sept 1792 P'hame(all IGI). I think therefore that James age 9 Kirkcowan in 1851 is an entirely different person to my relative. Great pity, as like you, I enjoy a convoluted family tree. Many thanks for the idea. Regards, Malcolm >From: Bruce McDowall <Bruce_McDowall@huntsman.com> >To: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com >CC: <malcolmlockerbie@hotmail.com> >Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Kellys of Penninghame >Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:27:54 +1100 > > >Hi Malcolm, > >You have misinterpreted something I wrote, in that I haven't yet looked for >your records in the Penninghame OPR. I have only looked at the IGI, to see >what can be anticipated from the OPRs. >The IGI marriage record for James KELLY & Margaret HANNAY has been >extracted from the Penninghame OPR, so we know that record is there to >check. I can do that for you on my next visit to the library. >As the IGI has no baptism record for the birth of James abt 1843, or abt >1810, it is most unlikely there is a record of them in the OPR. I see that >there are such records for John 1834, William 1837, Joseph 1841, Margaret >1846, and Jane 1849, so I can check those for you. > >I really love problems with a special twist . . . . >Whilst looking at the IGI, I noted that 1851 marriage of James KELLY & >Elizabeth McCLELLAN, and wondered if it was the same James KELLY. I also >noted that a James KELLY was baptised in Kirkcowan parish to James KELLY & >Elizabeth McCLELLAN in 1841. Although I didn't mention this in my off-list >message, I had intended to look at the Kirkcowan OPR to see if this was an >illegitimate birth. It could be just coincidence that another couple were >involved, but I wondered if it could be the same James, and he eventually >married Elizabeth when free to do so. > >Now that you have said that your James KELLY is the one who married >Elizabeth McCLELLAN, I am wondering if you already have proof of this? >Does James' death registration name both wives? >Do you have the 1861 and 1871 census details? >If so, does either show children of both Margaret HANNAY and Elizabeth >McCLELLAN in the same household? >James KELLY born Penninghame abt 1843, and James KELLY born Kirkcowan 1841, >both appear in the 1851 census. I wonder if you have them both in 1861 >and/or 1871? (I had wondered if they were the same person, as although not >a good age match, could have explained the lack of baptism record for the >one born abt 1843. The 1851 census seems to have resolved this, although I >do want to look at the original of that record also.) > >If it was your James KELLY who fathered the James KELLY in 1841, there >should be mention of it in the Kirkcowan Kirk Session Records, which are >held in National Archives, Edinburgh. If you can't vist Edinburgh, it may >be best to get a professional researcher to do a lookup. >First, I need to take a look see what that Kirkcowan baptism record has to >say. That may be at the coming weekend, but could be later. > >Regards, >Bruce > >__________________ >Extract from original listing referred to by Bruce.... >>'James father was James Kelly b.1810/11 in Penninghame (from census data >only), to William Kelly/Margaret McKay,according to his 1878 death >certificate. James married 5.10.1834 in Penninghame(IGI) to Margaret >Hannah/y b. 1815/6 Penninghame? > >Margaret died between the birth of her last child Jane b.18.2.1849 >Penninghame and the 1851 Census in Minnigaff where James was a 'WIdower'. >James remarried to Elizabeth McLellan 31.5.1851 in Minnigaff. She died in >1868.' > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com

"Red Lion Inn, North Main Street, Wigtown. Wines, Brandies, Spirits and Ales. The Proprietor - THOMAS KELLY with his son in law SHAW McCREADIE carries on the Joiner Trade in all its Branches" "M F CRONNEY, Grocer and Provision Merchant, Low Vennel, Wigtown. Families will find that the Goods sold in this Shop are such as to give every satisfaction as to their Quality, while the Prices are of the most moderate kind. All kinds of ready-made clothing, boots and shoes kept in stock. Prints for Dresses" "ROBERT STITT Public House Keeper, Bank Street, Wigtown (Opposite the County Buildings, and the nearest Inn to the Railway Station) For always in stock Bladnoch and Glenlivet Whiskies, Brandies etc. Ales and Porter in Draught and Bottles." "JOHN McGOWAN - watch & Clock Maker, Bank St Wigtown. Concertinas, Accordions and Melodions. Tuned and Repaired" "WILLIAM EDGAR China Merchant etc. Bank St. Wigtown (immediately below the County Buildings) All kinds of China and Earthenware kept in Stock and retailed at the lowest prices. Tea - Excellent quality. A Large variety of Toys. Confectionery" "JAMES KENNEDY - Joiner and Carpenter, Harbour Rd Wigtown. Works neatly repaired. Charges Moderate" "HUGH BELL, Builder, Harbour Road Wigtown. Estimates given for Building of every description. Jobbings Neatly Executed" "HUGH RONEY - Tailor and Clothier South Main Street (opposite the Square) Wigtown. Work neatly and speedily executed and a good fit guaranteed" "PETER MCKEAND - Family Grocer Wine and Spirit Merchant Wigtown. Established over half a century. Ports 2s 4d, 2s 10d, 3s, 3s 4d, 3s 6d, 4s, 4s 6d, 5s 3d and 5s 8d per bottle Sherries (Spanish) 1s 6d, 1s 10d, 2s 4d, 2s 10d, 3s 6d, and 4s per bottle Sherries (Marsala) 1s 4d, 1s 6d, and 1s 8d per bottle Sherries (Maderia) 3s, 4s and 5s per bottle Clarets 1s, 1s 3d, 1s 6d, 2s, 2s 6d, 3s and 3s 6d per bottle Sparking (Saumur) Champagne 2s 1d and 2s 6d per quart bottle 1s 3d and 1s 5d per pint bottle." "MCROBERT'S - Commercial Hotel Wigtown. Tourists and Commercial Gentleman will find every comfort, combined with moderate charges. Omnibus to meet all the trains. Posting in all its Departments" "JOHN LAMONT - Blacksmith, Back Lane off Agnew Cres. Wigtown. Excellent Workmanship and Repairs Cheaply and Speedily Executed. Horse Shoeing on the principle of expansion" Cheers Frances

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/697.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Michael Was your John Dodds the son of John and Marion (Morrison) Dodds. I have a John Dodds b. 3 May 1810 and also a James Dodds chnd. 3 May 1810 to this couple. I am descended from their daughter Marion. Regards, debbie

Hi Malcolm, You have misinterpreted something I wrote, in that I haven't yet looked for your records in the Penninghame OPR. I have only looked at the IGI, to see what can be anticipated from the OPRs. The IGI marriage record for James KELLY & Margaret HANNAY has been extracted from the Penninghame OPR, so we know that record is there to check. I can do that for you on my next visit to the library. As the IGI has no baptism record for the birth of James abt 1843, or abt 1810, it is most unlikely there is a record of them in the OPR. I see that there are such records for John 1834, William 1837, Joseph 1841, Margaret 1846, and Jane 1849, so I can check those for you. I really love problems with a special twist . . . . Whilst looking at the IGI, I noted that 1851 marriage of James KELLY & Elizabeth McCLELLAN, and wondered if it was the same James KELLY. I also noted that a James KELLY was baptised in Kirkcowan parish to James KELLY & Elizabeth McCLELLAN in 1841. Although I didn't mention this in my off-list message, I had intended to look at the Kirkcowan OPR to see if this was an illegitimate birth. It could be just coincidence that another couple were involved, but I wondered if it could be the same James, and he eventually married Elizabeth when free to do so. Now that you have said that your James KELLY is the one who married Elizabeth McCLELLAN, I am wondering if you already have proof of this? Does James' death registration name both wives? Do you have the 1861 and 1871 census details? If so, does either show children of both Margaret HANNAY and Elizabeth McCLELLAN in the same household? James KELLY born Penninghame abt 1843, and James KELLY born Kirkcowan 1841, both appear in the 1851 census. I wonder if you have them both in 1861 and/or 1871? (I had wondered if they were the same person, as although not a good age match, could have explained the lack of baptism record for the one born abt 1843. The 1851 census seems to have resolved this, although I do want to look at the original of that record also.) If it was your James KELLY who fathered the James KELLY in 1841, there should be mention of it in the Kirkcowan Kirk Session Records, which are held in National Archives, Edinburgh. If you can't vist Edinburgh, it may be best to get a professional researcher to do a lookup. First, I need to take a look see what that Kirkcowan baptism record has to say. That may be at the coming weekend, but could be later. Regards, Bruce __________________ Hi, I am a new subscriber and this is my first listing, so I hope I am doing it right! I have been researching my paternal grandfather John Lockerbie's family from Dumfriesshire for some time and now it is the turn of my grandmother Jessie Kelly. Although Jessie was born in 1880 in Minnigaff, her father James Kelly was born 1843/4 in Penninghame. Her mother was Jessie Maxwell christened 28.6.1850 in Wigtown. They married 5.7.1872 in Wigtown James father was James Kelly b.1810/11 in Penninghame (from census data only), to William Kelly/Margaret McKay,according to his 1878 death certificate. James married 5.10.1834 in Penninghame(IGI) to Margaret Hannah/y b. 1815/6 Penninghame? Margaret died between the birth of her last child Jane b.18.2.1849 Penninghame and the 1851 Census in Minnigaff where James was a 'WIdower'. James remarried to Elizabeth McLellan 31.5.1851 in Minnigaff. She died in 1868. As can be seen I have missing data on the two James and Margaret Hannay. I have contacted Bruce and Wayne directly and both suggest I post this enquiry. Access to Penninghame MIs might give some clues if any member can help? I do have the Minnigaff MI for the younger James(d 1914) which includes Jessie Maxwell and their children John, James, Maggie(Harper) and Elizabeth(Coley). No other Kelly Minnigaff MIs are relevant. Bruce could not find anything on the Pennighame OPRs, so again any member ideas. Also is any member connected to this Kelly family? My grandparents met and married in Liverpool in 1903 and all family contact back 'home' was lost after their early deaths in the late 1920s. I trust this makes sense and welcome any response or advice. Malcolm Lockerbie

I just recently discovered this branch of my family and was wondering if anyone else can connect to it. Marion (marrion/marron) Morrisson and John Dodds married About 1810, Glasserton, Wigtown (no marriage record) Marion Dodds, nee Morrison born About 1790, Glasserton, Wigtown, Father possibly Alexander Morrison (no birth record) John Dodds born about 1785 Ireland (no birth record) Children of Marion and John Dodds Extracted entry's from IGI (Batch Number C118852) -John Dodds, Chnd. 14 Aug 1809 -John Dodds, Chnd. 3 May 1810 -Margaret Hannay Dodds, Chnd. 5 Aug 1811 -Agnes Dodds, Chnd. 24 Mar 1812 -Thomas Dodds, Chnd. 2 May 1814 -Margaret Dodds, Chnd. 7 Aug 1816 -Ann Dodds, Chnd. 1 June 1819 (Batch Number C118854) -James Dodds, b. 3 May 1810 -Ann Dodds, b. 1818 -John Dodds, b. 25 July 1821 -Elizabeth Dodds, b. 6 July 1823 -Elisabeth Dodds, Chnd. 12 Jan 1825 -Marrion Dodds, b. 23 Oct 1825 -Robina Dodds, Chnd. 5 Apr 1831 -Marion Dodds, Chnd. 15 Aug 1835 Submitted Entry (File Number 458100) -William Dodds, Chnd. 22 Feb 1823 I am confused because there is a birth entry for James Dodds (C118854) on 3 May 1810 and there is also a Christening entry for a John Dodds on 3 May 1810 (C118852). Both of these entry's are extracted so therefore should be reliable however it seems strange to me that they would have one son christened on the day that the mother gave birth to another son. Is it possible that it is the same son ? Also, Is the 2 entry's for Ann Dodds; born 1818, christened 1 June 1819, for the same daughter or was their possibly 2 Ann's born within a year of one another ? Same again for Eli(z)abeth b. 6 July 1823 and Eli(s)abeth chnd. 12 Jan 1825, 2 daughters or 1 daughter christened late ? I do have the family on the 1841 census and the 1851 census but there is a lot of difference's in their ages so that doesn't help much. 1841 Census, Glasserton, Wigtownshire (Freecen) Address - Drumrae John Dodds, M, 50, Farmer, b. Ireland Murren Dodds, F, 45, ,b. Ireland William Dodds, M, 11, , b. Wigtownshire Rubina Dodds, F, 10, , b. Wigtownshire Mary Dodds, F, 5, ,b. Wigtownshire 1851 Census,Glasserton, Wigtownshire (www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx) Address - Bloody Moss Croft John Dodds, Head, 64, Married, Farmer of 400 acres, b. Ireland Marion Dodds, Wife, 60, Married, , b. Glasserton, Wigtownshire Mary Dodds, Daughter, 35, Unmarried, , b. Glasserton, Wigtownshire Alexander Morrison, Visitor, 92, Widower, Pauper/ Labourer , b. Mochrum, Wigtownshire 1851 Census, Glasserton, Wigtownshire (www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx) Address - Larroch Robinna Dodds, Servant, 19, Unmarried, Servant in david dalziel household, b. Glasserton, Wig. 1851 Census, Whithorn, Wigtownshire (www.dumgal.gov.uk/historicalindexes/census.aspx) Address - Main St Mary Dodds, Servant, 21, Unmarried, Servant in Jacobina McMillan household, b. Glasserton, Wig. 1861 Census, Glasserton, Wigtownshire (www.ancestry.co.uk) Address - Drumrae Farm House Rabenno Dodds, Servant, 25, Domestic servant, b. Whithorn, Wigtownshire 1861 Census, Sorbie, Wigtownshire (www,ancestry.co.uk) Address - 1 Barledzew Cottage Marrion Dodds, Head, 72, Pauper formerly Farmer's wife, b. Glasserton, Wigtownshire Jane Dodds, 13 Thomas Dodds, 9 William McCulloch, 9 Mary McCulloch, 9 Unfortunately, i do not have the individual entry's for the children in Marion's houshold (1861) but i believe they may be grandchildren as my GGGG Grandmother Marion Dodds (chnd. 15 Aug 1835) married James McCulloch (3 Mar 1854, Kilmarnock). However, i have been unable to find any birth entry's for these kids. As you can see i have quite a few gap's to fill here, i would love to hear from anyone else who may be descended from these Dodds. I would also appreciate any suggesions any one could give me. Thankyou, Debbie

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Mary: You have a problem similar to mine. I studied the Cearnacháin Clan. It is proven they were from Donegal. I found info on them in the Annals of the Four Masters up to 1200 and they disappeared. in 1400 they began surfacing in Scotland. Some returned to Ireland as Planters or renters of Planters. Most left both Scotland and Ireland behind and went abroad. Most came to America. Others went everywhere. Then there is the spelling: According to one of my reference books, the Irish spelling was O'Fearguis, Feargus, then shortened to Fergus. Descendants of Brian Oirbison, who was descended from Art Aonfhir. Without a serious study, it appears that the clan was part of the tribal groups of North Ireland. And Tyrone would qualify. Donegal is the hardest place in Ireland and I think Tyrone is possible the second hardest! Researching Clan Cearnacháin (Carnahan, Kernohan,etc.) I not only hit the brick wall, it was fortified with a moat! Hubby's ancestor left Scotland around 1750-60 and landed eventually in western PA, with most of the other Irish. They I decided to research the Clan. What a project and what a gem to discover. Although the clan spent at least 300 years in Scotland, don't ever call one a Scot. They are Irish to the bone. I am afraid you are pretty much in the same boat. Good Luck Bess Carnahan, researching Clan Cearnacháin, Carnahan, Kernohan, etc.) ----- Original Message ----- From: <guycolbyiv@att.net> To: "Mary Richardson" <mrichson@ix.netcom.com>; "Mail list: WIG" <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 08, 2007 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Galloway - Tyrone, Ireland (FERGUS) > -------------- Original message from Mary Richardson > <mrichson@ix.netcom.com>: -------------- > > >> There was a wave of migration from Ulster to Augusta Co., Virginia -- >> often via Pennsylvania, Delaware, and Maryland -- in the early to >> mid-1700s. >> >> Mary Richardson > > Mary -- > > This paragraph from your message intrigued me. My 4th great grandfather, > Francis FERGUS, was born 8 Sep 1752 in Co. Tyrone (a date which > technically did not exist -- obviously, his folks were among the many who > ignored the official adoption of the Gregorian calendar). Sometime in the > early 1770s, he came to the colonies with his father and several brothers. > All but Francis and one brother, James, eventually returned to Ulster. > > James settled in Delaware, and his line died out after two generations. > Francis settled originally in Bucks Co., Pennsylvania, and served in the > Revolutionary War. He removed to Cumberland Co. around 1779, and by 1787 > he was in Augusta Co., Virginia. He purchased 140 acres in Rockbridge Co. > in 1790, and he remained there until 1802, when he moved to Montgomery Co. > He certainly fits the migration pattern you described in your message, > though he arrived a bit later. He has some 15,000 descendants! > > FERGUS researchers have long sought without success to locate the family > in Co. Tyrone, though two FERGUYS (Francis & Jane) stones in the Cappagh > churchyard outside Omagh are now thought to be those of Francis's parents. > Family lore says that the family originally came to Ulster from Scotland, > and although FERGUS is certainly a Galloway surname, I have not been able > to find a trace of them in the D&G area. > > Guy I. Colby IV > Irving, TX > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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