This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1857.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: pics attahed

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1857.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Ann I think David is entered incorrectly (but could be wrong) Daniel Harvey b:1815 Ireland shoe maker wife Ann Mc Laughlan (spelling does varie but is not unusual for those days) b:1814 (abt) Ireland Children: James b:1851 sorbie Married 1881 Margaret Mc Culloch Strange how you have a Daniel listed as born in 1851 same year as James but have no record of a daniel Annie b:1842 married1860 Alexander Kevan B:1842 John b:1844 Mary b:1839, Patrick B:1853 Annie and Alexander had two children Jane and James I have attached pics of James Harvey (Annie brother), Gravestone in Sorbie, Death cert for Ann McLaughlin I have census info showing Ann Mc Laughlin living with james (also a shoe maker) James is listed in the 1912 busniess directory for wigtown living at 31 North main street wigtown. Grave stone inscription says the following names Erected Daniel Harvey Ann Mc Laughlan Jane Kevan his Grand Daughter Annie Harvey His Daughter Alexander Kevan Her Husband James Kevan their son Died 1951 I believe this is the same family as yours do you agree? : i have other information census etc And James Kevans desendants as well as Daniels death cert etc. I would also like the information on the Kevan Family you have. So what do you think same family? Let me know that you received everything ok. Simon

Hi Many thanks to all who answered my query regarding how a family would travel to Greenock. As well I looked at shipping on the 1852 Directory of Wigtonshire and it states under Conveyance by Water - Steam Packet To Glasgow,Greenock & Girvan - the Ayrshire Lass, two or three times a week" so obviously they would have been able to chose a sailing to suit themselves. Personally I think I would prefer to catch a steamer with three small children then travel by cart/carriage with all the associated luggage. regards Pauline Melbourne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1857.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Simon Just sent you a message in reply to another email. Slight problem with Annie Harvey's father's name. You say Daniel but details on her marriage details give DAVID Harvey, her mother Anne McLaughlin b c 1814 Ireland. Annie's brothers and sisters as follows; Mary 1839 Annie 1841 Sorbie John 1844, Daniel 1851 Sorbie and Patrick 1853 Sorbie. Where does James fit in. I have no photos of their generation sadly. Please send me the details of their graves in Sorbie and James photo. I can give you details of Alexander and Annie's family if you would like them. As I mentioned elsewhere Alexander is a younger brother of my GGF Samuel Kevan. This makes him my GtUncle. Anne

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1857.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Alexander Kevan and Annie Harvey's marriage certificate gives her father's name as David Harvey sett maker b Ireland. Annie has a brother Daniel bc 1851 Sorbie. Do you think that David is a mistake or are we talking about someone else? Alexander would have been my GtUncle.

I found this on the Victoria (University of Wellington New Zealand ) website http://www.nzetc.org/tm/scholarly/tei-ArnSett-c5.html which I thought may interest someone. I was actually googling for the bootmakers in wigtownshire website- can someone tell me the URL please? Donna Aitken "Title: Settler Kaponga 1881-1914 - A Frontier Fragment of the Western World Author: Rollo D. Arnold ,Victoria University Press, 1997, Wellington Part of: New Zealand Texts Collection Keywords: New Zealand History "We turn now to the Loan and Mercantile's Mangatoki venture. The factory's jubilee booklet gives the credit for initiating the venture to John Stevenson, the L & M's Wanganui manager, and Mahoe farmer David A.L. Astbury.* Astbury had seen press reports that Stevenson's firm was prepared to erect or finance factories and wrote to him suggesting that Mangatoki might be a suitable area. Eltham storekeeper C.A. Wilkinson had built the Mangatoki factory in 1891. 'Marksman' of the Yeoman (7/3/91) described it as 'one of the most complete establishments of the kind I have yet seen' but unfortunately Wilkinson's backers did not fulfil their guarantees, forcing him to close down. The factory passed into the hands of Chew Chong, who sold to the L & M. The Farmer of July 1896 described the new venture's beginnings under manager Andrew McWilliam: The Mangatoki Factory, then an almost disused building, with a history of vicissitudes, was purchased by the Company, together with about eight acres of land and the river rights attached to it, and the newly-appointed dairy manager received instructions to get everything in readiness for manufacture, and to erect at the same time two tributary creameries on sites already selected. This gentleman, who we may mention is by birth a Creole of St Croix, and by upbringing and education a Scot of Galloway, brought with him to his task theories and experience gained in one of the most successful dairy undertakings in Scotland, viz., that of the Wigtownshire Creamery Company. His ideas were strictly utilitarian, and left no room for fads. He holds that half the success of manufacture lies in cleanliness, not as the term is frequently understood, but as near an approximation as possible to such an ideal as the cleanliness of snow. Hence it is that in the alteration of the factory, which took place in the winter of 1894, and in the erection of the tributary creameries now numbering five, the architect . was required by Mr McWilliam to carry out everything in such a way as to be readily accessible to scrubbing brush and broom, which are ever at work, thus ensuring everywhere the pure sweet atmosphere on which a high value is set. On the wet winter afternoon of Friday, 30 June 1893, about 150 Kaponga farmers came over muddy roads to the meeting advertised for 4pm to consider the L & M's proposal of a dairy factory at Kaponga. Storekeeper Frank Canning was elected to the chair and the L & M's John Stevenson further explained the nature of the offer. After various questions were satisfactorily answered the meeting gave enthusiastic and unanimous support to David Astbury's motion of acceptance. A schedule of cows promised was then taken, showing 550 for Kaponga, 50 more than at Mangatoki. There was an abrupt change of mood after the L & M's announcement late next evening of a change in its plans. Apparently it had envisaged three factories, at Mangatoki, Kaponga and Punehu (Te Kiri), each with associated creameries. On further thought it had decided that two factories would be more economic, with Kaponga becoming a creamery attached to the Mangatoki factory."

Sylvia. Your Ann BRADSHAW was born 14 APR 1834 `of Boghouse, Mochrum, Wigtownshire. She was d/o David Bradshaw and Jean HENDERSON. David BRADSHAW was born 1792 Mochrum Parish and died 07 Jan 1867 Ringheel Farm, Mochrum. Source: Film Number: 537160 There are quite a few children. Wayne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sylvia Marshall" <**> To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 11:31 AM Subject: [WIG LIST] Milroy & McDowell > Hello, > I have a birth for Andrew Milroy 1817 Natural child of John Milroy & Ann > Florgie or Forgie. > John Milroy gives his occupation as Farmer in/at Culvennan. Would anyone > be able to give me any information on "Culvenannan? > > McDowall: Annie McDowall d/o Jemima Milroy m. Charles Hammersey McDowall, > s/o of William & Annie Bradshaw. > Charles (Gamekeeper) died 1919 Airds Cottage Kirkcowan. I have been > unable to find any trace of Annie b.1861 or her family to date. Would > anyone be researching this family? > > Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated. > Thank you, > Sylvia Marshall >

Thank you Fiona - the information is interesting. Robert's nephew, James Dally had also been a gamekeeper on the same Estate - Kind regards Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gallahill" <Gallahill@aol.com> To: "Maggie McNeill Grant" <mlg27@optusnet.com.au>; "T & J Agnew" <agnewtj@xtra.co.nz>; "'Pauline/Fiona'" <rommel@relax.com.au>; <sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:19 PM Subject: RE: [WIG LIST] Inch Parks Cottage > Inch Parks is a large Dairy farm, part of Stair Estates on the A751 just > outside of Stranraer. > Am not sure if any of the cottages survive on the present day farm. > Fiona > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Maggie > McNeill Grant > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 10:51 PM > To: T & J Agnew; 'Pauline/Fiona'; sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Inch Parks Cottage > > > Firstly, thank whoever started the Bootmakers of Wigtown information as I > have linked up with a direct line relative of John Dally, Wigtown > shoemaker > and have been able to pass on the mountain of information on the Dally > line > supplied to me so generously by Bill Copland. > > I have a Margaret Hannay Clunie/Nichol living in 'Inch Parks Cottage' Inch > in the 1881 Census. Her son Robert was living with her - his occupation > is > shown as gamekeeper. > Would anyone know where it is - thank you, > Regards > Maggie Grant > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T & J Agnew" <agnewtj@xtra.co.nz> > To: "'Pauline/Fiona'" <rommel@relax.com.au>; > <sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 7:40 AM > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Transport 1857 > > >> Dear Pauline, >> Here is one answer to your question about travelling from Stranraer to >> Greenock. Mt greatgrandfather, Thomas Agnew (1829-1908)made that trip in >> 1861 and recorded some of the details: >> >> Thomas Agnew's diary, 1862: >> [He was living with his wife, Margaret 'Maggie' Agnew (nee Agnew) at >> Clachan >> near Kirkcolm, his wife's father's farm. In 1862 they decided to emigrate >> to >> New Zealand. Surviving parts of his diary record a trip to Glasgow and >> Edinburgh to make final arrangements.] >> >> Friday 4 July 1862: >> "Left Clachan at 3 o'clock a.m., drive with R. Hannah to Stranraer, >> sailed >> in Briton steamer at 5.30 for Glasgow, was in Greenock at 11.40, in >> Dumbarton at 2 o'clock, took out my passage at 4 o'clock at Glasgow, left >> for Edinburgh at 5 and got there at 7.20. Met Al. on S. bridge." >> [Alexander was his younger brother, studying law. Thomas stayed in >> Edinburgh >> for 3 days, before returning to Clachan.] >> "Leaving Edinburgh at 7 o'clock a.m. was in Glasgow at 9.12, left at ½ >> past >> 10, in Ayr at 1 o'clock, left Ayr and was in Stranraer at 6pm. Mr John >> met >> me and brought me home in his gig." >> >> [On Tuesday 29 July he and Margaret with their children Thomas (1 year 4 >> months) and Jane (3 months) left Clachan. He farewelled his brothers John >> and William and their widowed mother Helen at the family farm Balwherrie >> near Leswalt. By Tuesday evening, they had reached Greenock by steamer, >> and >> put their luggage on the Aboukir on Wednesday, boarding the ship on >> Thursday. On Friday 1st August 1862, the Aboukir sailed from Greenock for >> Otago, at 6pm. They reached Port Chalmers on 6 November 1862.] >> >> Hope this is some help. >> >> Trevor Agnew >> >> Christchurch >> New Zealand >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com >> [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pauline/Fiona >> Sent: Friday, 2 February 2007 9:18 p.m. >> To: sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [WIG LIST] Transport 1857 >> >> Hi >> >> In 1857 Robert & Helen Beattie and family sailed from Greenock to >> Melbourne, >> >> Australia. What manner of transport would they have taken to get to >> Greenock from Stranraer? Robert was a wine and spirit merchant with three >> small kids and an unassisted passenger so presumably had some money >> available for transport. >> >> Would it have been train, or coach or a combination of these or ship >> around >> the coast? I have been unable so far to find a log to say if the ship >> collected emmigrants from the Liverpool Emigration Depot so it may in >> fact >> have been there that they actually came on board. >> >> regards >> Pauline >> Melbourne, Australia >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you Alistair for such an in depth search. I will certainly follow these plans up. My Grandmother told me many a tale of her father's time spent on the Stair Estates. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Alistair Cameron" <acameron@hinet.net.au> To: "Gallahill" <Gallahill@aol.com> Cc: "Maggie McNeill Grant" <mlg27@optusnet.com.au>; "T & J Agnew" <agnewtj@xtra.co.nz>; "'Pauline/Fiona'" <rommel@relax.com.au>; <sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 9:02 PM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Inch Parks Cottage > Fiona wrote: > >> Inch Parks is a large Dairy farm, part of Stair Estates on the A751 just >> outside of Stranraer. >> Am not sure if any of the cottages survive on the present day farm. > > Remarkably, the West Search Room at West Register House has a long run of > Estate Plans for the place. Here are versions which I have Indexed: > > Inch Park Inch 1795 NX0962 4 101 WIG > Inch Park Inch 1862 NX1160 4 114 WIG > Inch Parks Inch 1835 NX0962 4 106 WIG > Inch Parks Inch 1844 NX0962 4 109 WIG > Inch Parks Inch 1849 NX0960 4 110 WIG > Inch Parks Inch 1850 NX1257 4 111 WIG > Inch Parks Inch 1873 NX0962 4 115 WIG > > The NX coding is the Nat Grid Coords as assigned by Ordnance Survey. Date > of survey is in the 3rd column. 101 to 115 is my indexing address. > > The 1873 one is closest to the 1881 date referenced: the size is 62x48cm > and field acreages and steadings are shown. This one is a sketch plan, > probably not to exact scale. > > Cheers, > > > ALISTAIR >

Fiona wrote: > Inch Parks is a large Dairy farm, part of Stair Estates on the A751 just outside of Stranraer. > Am not sure if any of the cottages survive on the present day farm. Remarkably, the West Search Room at West Register House has a long run of Estate Plans for the place. Here are versions which I have Indexed: Inch Park Inch 1795 NX0962 4 101 WIG Inch Park Inch 1862 NX1160 4 114 WIG Inch Parks Inch 1835 NX0962 4 106 WIG Inch Parks Inch 1844 NX0962 4 109 WIG Inch Parks Inch 1849 NX0960 4 110 WIG Inch Parks Inch 1850 NX1257 4 111 WIG Inch Parks Inch 1873 NX0962 4 115 WIG The NX coding is the Nat Grid Coords as assigned by Ordnance Survey. Date of survey is in the 3rd column. 101 to 115 is my indexing address. The 1873 one is closest to the 1881 date referenced: the size is 62x48cm and field acreages and steadings are shown. This one is a sketch plan, probably not to exact scale. Cheers, ALISTAIR

Shirley Walsh and Mary Richardson have respectively dug out and sent on a file with as early a list of Wigtonshire folk as I've seen. The place names themselves are of considerable interest --- Stranrawart for example, presumably being today's Stranraer. List members may also be able to use some entries to help confirm where families were resident in 1662. It is from Robert Wodrow and Robert Burns book "The History of the Sufferings of the Church of Scotland from the Reformation to the Revolution", publ. 1835 and now to be found in GoogleBooks. The listing is of fines paid by those who resisted the re-introduction of an episcopal structure, and had the temerity to worship in groups, even out-of-doors. The fines appear to be in Scots Pounds, and each pound would therefore have been about an English Shilling or one twentieth of a Pound Sterling. 1662 Listing of Fines paid in Wigtonshire Name Fine L. ---el William Stuart 600 Sir Andrew Agnew, sheriff of Galloway 680 ---- Gordon of Grange 1800 ---- M'Culloch, younger of Ardwall 1200 John Cathcart of Gennock 2000 Francis Hay of Hareholm 1000 Patrick Agnew of Sewchan 1200 Patrick Agnew of Whig 2000 Gilbert Neilson of Catchcathie 1300 Patrick M'Ghie of Largie 200 William M'Kieffock, collector of Wigtownshire 3600 George Campbell, captain-lieutenant to Sir Robert Adair 600 Alexander Kennedy of Gillespie 480 James Johnston in Strawrawnard 600 John Bailie of Litledoneraelet 360 Alexander Bailie of Meikleton 360 ---- M'Donald of Crachen 360 John M'Donald of Creesein 600 Alexander Agnew of Crach 600 Martin M'Ghie of Penningham 600 William M'Kuffock 3600 ---- Stuart, bailie of Wigton 360 ---- Cantrair, late provost of Wigton 1200 William M'Ghie of Magdallen 360 ---- Ramsay of Boghouse 400 John M'Culloch in Glen 400 Patrick Agnew of Caldnoth 1000 Thomas Boyd of Kirkland 360 Alexander Martin in Stramavert 600 Patrick Kennedy there 360 John Machans, tanner there 600 Gilbert Adair there 360 David Dunbar of Calden 4800 John Gordon, merchant in Stranrawart 240 John M'Dougal there 240 William M'Culling there 240 John Adair of Littlegennock 600 Alexander Crawford, tutor of Herymen 360 William Gordon of Barnfallie 360 John Hannah in Granane 480 William McDougal in Kilree 1000 ---- Trissel, burgess of Wigton 360 Adam M'Kie, late provost of Wigton 1000 ---- Stuart of Fintilloch 1000 James Mackitrick in Kirkmaiden 360 Michael Malrae in Stonykirk 600 James Macnaught in Portpatrick 360 Nevin Agnew in Clod-house 240 ---- Agnew in Kilconquhar 240 John McMaister in Kirkcarin 360 John Macguleston in the Inch 360 Andrew Agnew of Park 360 Patrick Hannah in Gask 360 ---- Mackinlenie in Darmenew 300 Gilbert Macricker in Knockedbay 360 John Macilvain in Milboch 360 ---- Mackinnen of Glenhill 360 ---- Mackinnen of Glenbitten 360 ---- Kennedy of Barthangan 240 Edward Lawrie in Derward 240 Mr. William Cleland in Sheland 240 Thomas Macmoran there 360 John Paterson there 360 ---- Mackinnen in Polpindoir 240 ************************************ Mary and I have puzzled over precisely why the fines were exacted, so I hope I have the reasons roughly right above. Any errors I have added in transcription I will probably fry for, and all queries should be addressed to Wayne. After all it's his list and he's the only one who is completely innocent and unaware of this going on at all. Crawford.

In a message dated 05/02/2007 17:02:56 GMT Standard Time, DFSGAL@aol.com writes: The boats attracting these subsidies were called HEARING BUSSES. Sorry for the typo -- that should have read as HERRING BUS LIZDEXIA LURE KO ! Sandy

Hello, I have a birth for Andrew Milroy 1817 Natural child of John Milroy & Ann Florgie or Forgie. John Milroy gives his occupation as Farmer in/at Culvennan. Would anyone be able to give me any information on "Culvenannan? McDowall: Annie McDowall d/o Jemima Milroy m. Charles Hammersey McDowall, s/o of William & Annie Bradshaw. Charles (Gamekeeper) died 1919 Airds Cottage Kirkcowan. I have been unable to find any trace of Annie b.1861 or her family to date. Would anyone be researching this family? Any help or direction would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Sylvia Marshall

Hi Simon, The Kirkcolm OPR has the following record: "McCulloch / Thomas Son of Gordon McCulloch & Margt Kean was Baptized the 10th Novr 1815" It is not unusual to find there is no further detail that that extracted to the IGI. I looked for baptism records of siblings and Gordon, but without success, likewise the marriage of Gordon McCULLOCH to Margaret KEAN. The Kirkcolm baptism register, as it was when called in by the GROS, had only been started in 1790. There were 24 births ranging from 1775 thru 1789, which were added at a later date. It is obvious that prior to 1790, most baptisms went unrecorded. Regards, Bruce __________________ Dear Bruce       Dont know if you can help but am looking for the Birth of Gorden Mc Culloch , Location Kirkcolm, Year range 1780-1790.Estimated. Had 3 children i know of also born KirkColm, Married to Margaret Kean.                    Margaret 2/10/1818,   May 3/7/1811, Thomas 10/11/1815. Many thanks Simon Steele

Hi Skip, You asked for my transcription of a Kirkinner OPR baptism record. This is how I read it: 1809 / Dec / 22 / William McKinnel Farmer in Beng had a Son born to him by his wife Janet McKrackan & baptised Jan 4th 1810 named Charles the mother still being Sponsor as the father remains under Scandal I started to check baptisms for Charles' siblings, to determine how long William had been excluded, and for any hint at the reason, but ran out of time. I did find that Janet was the sponsor prior to 1806 and as late as 1816. If you wish, I can transcribe the others on my next library visit. You may find from the Kirk Session minutes, why William had been "under scandal". According to their online catalogue, NAS holds Kirk Session records from Kirkinner for the years 1702 – 1897, and they listed as open access. The LDS have not filmed these records, so unless you have a trip to Edinburgh on the agenda, you may need to hire a professional researcher to do a lookup for you. Regards, Bruce

This probably refers to a fishing boat called a HERRING BUS. In the late 18th the government introduced a system designed to encourage the fishing industry in Scotland. The boats attracting these subsidies were called HEARING BUSSES. I would guess my source for the above would be : A History of the Scottish People, 1560-1830 by T.C. Smout but I don't have it to hand to check it at present. Regards, Sandy in Dumfries PS (As an aside, today this practice of encouraging the expansion of the Scottish fishing industry appears to have gone into reverse. Skipper who wish to fish are having their days at sea restricted and others are being encouraged to scrap their fishing boats all together. But maybe that is the only way to stop over-fishing and allow stocks to recover??)

Hi Cheryl, The IGI marriage record which Wayne reported was exracted from the Kirkcowan OPR. Here is my transcription of the original record: 1832 / Jan 3 / McDowall Peter to Mary Ann Milligan / Coachman / Kerrechtree Minnigaff / Village of Kirkowan (sic) The first residence is that of the groom. As he was at the time resident in the parish of Minnigaff, banns would have to be proclaimed there too. The IGI does not reflect this, but that is most likely due to the fact not being recorded in the Minnigaff marriage register. Regards, Bruce __________________ Cheryl. Welcome back to our Wig List. I had a quick look on the IGI for anything re: your Peter MCDOWALL and his wife Mary Anne MILLIGAN. The IGI shows marriage date as 03 Jan 1832 at Kirkcowan Parish. As you mentioned daughter Margaret was chr 20th Dec 1832 Edenkillie, Moray, but I could find no mention of son WILLIAM MCDOWALL. Peter McDOWALL was possibly born in Minnigaff Parish the son of Peter MCDOWALL and Margaret McCLYMONT. IGI: Film No: 538229. Further research is required. Perhaps others may have further info on your family. Wayne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Susan, There are a number of ways that you can get the 1850 baptism record for your Peter McDOWALL. The quickest would be to use http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ but this is a pay per usage site, and there are cheaper ways to get the same information. This won't give you a certificate as such, rather an image of the original entry into the Old Luce parish register of the Church of Scotland. note that this is a Church record only, and the details recorded were at the discretion of the incumbent session clerk or minister. Civil Registration did not commence in Scotland until 1855. These parish register records are commonly referred to as OPRs, meaning Old Parochial Registers. Images of OPR records have only been available through Scotlandspeople for a week or so. If you particularly want a 'certificate', it is possible to get a photocopy of exactly the same record from the GROS, and (for a fee), they will certify that it is a copy of said document. The OPRs have been filmed by the LDS, so you can also access them at any of their Family History Centres. As you would also get the baptism records for 6 siblings of your Peter McDOWALL on the same film, this would be a good way to go. The exercise of doing it that way also helps one's perspective of these old records. The LDS also offer a service whereby one can order a photocopy of specific records. That can be a good option for a single record, but if you are to get 7 records from the one film, it is best to order the film, and photocopy each record from that. If you want more details of how to go about that, let me know. Another means of getting the information is to request a lookup by one of the volunteers listed in the Wigtownshire Pages; http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~leighann/index.html I happen to be one of those, as I have access to the OPRs for all Wigtownshire parishes. This will normally be a transcription, as images are not easy to arrange. The 1872 marriage, if it took place in Scotland, should show up in the IGI. The LDS have filmed the Scottish civil registration records from 1855 thru 1875, plus 1881 and 1891. These are supposed to all have been extracted to the IGI. If you have Scotlandspeople credits, it may be worth searching there. Maybe they didn't register their marriage. Maybe they married in Canada. Regards, Bruce __________________ Hi Folks! Could anyone help me to obtain a copy of the birth certificate for my grt. grandfather Peter McDowall born in Glenluce on October 13th.1850 to Peter McDowall and Margaret Buyers? Also a lookup for the same Peter McDowall marrying an Agnes Davidson on the 5th. of May 1872, possibly in Glenluce?... or the vicinity there of. I am not sure if they were married in Scotland or Canada. I do believe it would be Scotland though. If anyone could help me with this info. it would be much appreciated and costs covered for the help. Thank you!! Susan McDowell Georgia, USA.

Hello Could SKS with access to the Scottish 1881 census please take a look for the following family please: Alexander YOUNG b abt 1832 Ayr Robina YOUNG b abt 1834 Jane abt 1858, Thomas abt 1856, Marion abt 1860, Alexander abt 1863, Margaret abt 1869 and James Morton abt 1871. There are a couple of others whom I know died, all born Ayr. Many thanks Anita

Hi Cheryl, Further to Crawford's advice, there has been lots of messages posted to the list about Sir James HAY, aka Sir James DALRYMPLE HAY. you can search the archives at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/search?path=SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Regards, Bruce