Hi Lynn, Here is a brief response to your query. Others may wish to expand. I share your concern about Scotlandspeople in that one can easily waste money finding the wrong people. If you are using their service for finding death registrations, it is better to go for married women first. They are indexed under both their maiden and married names, so the probablility of a wrong hit is very low. Once you have found the wife, you should get data which will give clues to narrow down the search for the husband. Not available online, but MIs, (monumental inscriptions), are often very informative. If you join the D&GFHS: http://www.dgfhs.org.uk/ one of the member services is a lookup of your family name in their MI record collection. The D&GFHS also has lots of booklets of MIs for sale. Some mailing list subscribers have copies of MIs for selected kirkyards, so you can get lucky with a lookup request. One needs to be aware that people were not always buried in the same parish in which they lived. Also, one can find mention of a family member on a family tombstone, even though that person was not buried there. The census is taken every 10 years. The 1841 was the first one where names were recorded. Because of the 100 year privacy rule, 1901 is the latest available. Scotlandspeople is a good way to access the 1861, 1871, 1891 and 1901 census, but not so for the 1881. The 1881 data is only the same transcribed data which you can get from the LDS on CD or fiche. The others give you scanned images from the actual census books. You are probably already aware that the 1841 census for all Wigtownshire parishes are available at: http://freecen.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl and the 1851 at: http://www.dumgal.gov.uk/HistoricalIndexes/census.aspx#search Both are transcribed data. The former has been more thoroughly checked prior to uploading. If you are looking for OPR records, i.e., the pre 1855 baptism and marriage registers of the Church of Scotland, they are available from Scotlandspeople, but you can get the same records much cheaper though the LDS. For Wigtownshire, you can also get lookups from these records. There's more about that on the Wigtownshire Pages, but there you will find I am one of the volunteers who do such lookups. A couple of things you need to keep in mind with OPRs is that they are far from a complete record of all baptisms and marriages, and that if there is no IGI record of a sought event, it is very unlikely, (not impossible), that there will be a record in the OPRs. Regards, Bruce __________________ Hello again--I want to repeat how much I appreciate this site and the people I've already heard from. If I know that people were born in Glasserton in the 1840s and probably died in the 1900s and are in the 1851 census, what are some of the other resources on line that I might search to look for deaths? Is there an 1861 census? 1871 etc? Is the scotlandspeople web site the best resource? I find it somewhat difficult to use, as one must pay before knowing if the information really pertains to the family one is searching, especially with a common name like Scott! I'm still looking forward to hearing from people who may know more about the ownership of South Drumoddie and/or what life was like there. I have seen that the 4 Drumoddie farms can be found on the UK ordnance mapping. Thanks again, Lynn in Fla.

On my HYSLOP tree, two tragedies related to the sea occurred in the one family: PETER HYSLOP, born April 12, 1837. Died at sea 1858 (No month of death.) I then have a notation that he is burred in Auchencairn Cemetery, Auchencairn, Kirkcudbright. His brother: GORDON DUNCAN HYSLOP, born October 3, 1848, Auchencairn, Kirkcudbright Died at sea January 2, 1875. QUESTION: Is there any place where one could find out the circumstances of their deaths at sea? Would they be fishermen? PETER HYSLOP and GORDON DUNCAN HYSLOP were the sons of: : JOHN HYSLOP*** 1788, Collin Mill, Auchencairn - 1875, Shuttle Bank, Auchencairn, Kirkcudbright GRACE THOMSON 1802, Kelton - 1882, Shuttle Bank, Auchencairn, Kirkcudbright. Any additional information on the circumstances of both deaths at sea would be appreciated. Maisie

Hello again--I want to repeat how much I appreciate this site and the people I've already heard from. If I know that people were born in Glasserton in the 1840s and probably died in the 1900s and are in the 1851 census, what are some of the other resources on line that I might search to look for deaths? Is there an 1861 census? 1871 etc? Is the scotlandspeople web site the best resource? I find it somewhat difficult to use, as one must pay before knowing if the information really pertains to the family one is searching, especially with a common name like Scott! I'm still looking forward to hearing from people who may know more about the ownership of South Drumoddie and/or what life was like there. I have seen that the 4 Drumoddie farms can be found on the UK ordnance mapping. Thanks again, Lynn in Fla. -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sct-wigtownshire-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 10:27 PM To: sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Subject: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 66 Message: 4 Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 22:25:45 -0500 From: "Lynn Scott" <lts64@bellsouth.net> Subject: [WIG LIST] Scott/ Drumoddie Farms To: <sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Cc: "John F. Scott" <jfscott@ufl.edu> Message-ID: <000901c74f1e$a6677640$0201a8c0@LAPTOP1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1250" Hello, Everyone. I am new to the list, but have already been very impressed by the quality of information on the Wigtownshire web pages. What a superb job of making information available. It's an enormous contribution. I'll tell you what I know about our family and hope that someone will have more to tell us. Joseph Scott, born 1821-1824 in Ireland (that is a recent very big surprise, courtesy of the Wigtownshire on-line 1851 census), died in Glasserton, buried in Glasserton Kirkyard 27 April 1898. He seems to have immigrated to Glasserton with a brother John and a sister Martha. Joseph also arrived with his wife, Agnes Whitby, also buried in Glasserton Kirkyard, also born Ireland, died 27 April 1895. They came with one child, Margaret, at their arrival (between 1841 and 1845). They had 5 other children that I am aware of, born in Glasserton. They are John, Thomas, Martha, Ann Chalmers, Joseph. This last one was born 2 May 1856. He emigrated to Cardiff, Wales, married, and died there in 1906. He was my husband's grandfather. My husband's father was only 4 at the time of his father's death, but he always knew that the family had lived at Drumoddie Farm (South Drumoddie, to be precise). My husband's father eventually (we don't know when) emigrated to Canada and then to the U.S. Thus, my husband grew up American. It's very moving to know more about the lives that were behind us. Now there is a new country in the mix--Ireland. We have been fortunate enough to have visited Glasserton with my husband's first cousin, son of another Scott who was also a son of Joseph. He, too, was born in Cardiff, but moved to England. Some Glasserton residents--the Millar family--were kind enough to tell us about the area and to treat us like visiting royalty! Mrs. Millar's father knew of Drumoddie and, even at his advanced age, rode with us to show us the area. We saw that there were no buildings remaining from the mid-19th century. We would be most interested in knowing anything about the farms from that time. Joseph Scott and his son Joseph were agricultural labourers--ploughman, as we understand. We wonder what the farms were like, how big they were, who owned them, etc. We would, of course, also be interested in knowing anything else about this Scott family. I haven't yet determined if other members of the family are buried in Glasserton, or if they emigrated, or what. Perhaps someone will recognize this family as their own. I assume that they were Scots-Irish from the Protestant areas, as they were buried in Glasserton Kirkyard. Is that a correct assumption, i.e. Roman Catholics would not have been buried there? We don't know very much about the Scottish presence in Ireland, but we do have a friend here who is very knowledgeable on the topic. Their immigration seems to correspond to the beginning of the potato famine. I, too, have Irish ancestors who went directly to New York at about that time. It is possible that mine were from County Cavan, but I'm not sure. They were Catholic. Life was difficult, wasn't it? They did what they had to do to survive. Thank you all for your interest and your help, Lynn in Florida, USA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.36/681 - Release Date: 2/11/2007 6:50 PM ------------------------------ To contact the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator, send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE mailing list, send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 66 *********************************************** -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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I did a lookup in New Luce or Old Luce for someone recently, can't find my reply in the Outbox to give me their name. If you were asking about DEATHS in either of these parishes, can you please write to me personally, I've got some ready. Neither of these parishes have deaths that are transcribed into the WIG pages yet. Meg Greenwood

Have found this paper out of sequence with no name on it, its surely a photocopy gotten for a request that was never sent.....how could that happen ? Don't answer.... There are only 4 Marriage entries on it, so I'll post them here and hope the person who requested from me is still with this List ! 1856 and 1857 Births, New Luce OPRs [not Civil Registrations, this clerk continued with OPR books] Wright & Stewart : James WRIGHT residing in Airtfield, New Luce & Ann Jane STEWART residing at Balmesh, Old Luce, were proclaimed in New Luce Parish Church upon Sabbath the 21st and twice upon Sabbath the 28th day of September, 1856 in order to marriage and no objections offered. Nov 21st, 1856. This day John COBRAN and Agnes LINDY, both of this Parish gave in their names for proclamation of Banns in order to marriage, and are to be 3 times proclaimed upon Sabbath 1st thro the 23rd inst. The above parties were regularly proclaimed upon Sabbath the 23rd Nov, 1856 and no objections offered. James JARDINE, residing in the Parish of Coundon, Durham, England and Mary McKENZIE residing in this parish refularly proclaimed in the Parish Church of New Luce upon sabbath the 22nd day of Feb, 1857 in order to marriage and no objections have been offered. [margin entry says "23rd Feby 1857"] Thomas BAIRD, residing in the parish of Inch and Ann BOYD residing in this parish were regularly proclaimed in the parish Church of New Luce upon Sabbath the 12th day of April, 1857 in order to marriage, and no objections have been offered. [margin entry says "13th Ap, 1857"]. Meg Greenwood

Shirley Walsh has been digging in an 1835 publication titled "The History of the Sufferings of the Church of Scotland, etc" by Robert Wodrow and Robert Burns. It is available on Google Books at http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC67468590&id=j0YRAAAAIAAJ&dq=the+History+of+the+Sufferings+of+the+Church+of+Scotland . Page 22 lists the Wigtownshire citizens who were outlawed on 5 May 1684 by proclamation of Charles II for allegiance to Presbyterianism. Most of the people on this list do not seem to appear on the 1684 parish lists (http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~leighann/1684/intro.html), so this list improves our understanding of who was living in Wigtownshire back then. I have marked those who appear on both lists with an asterisk (*). I've also added some explanatory notes...and guesses...in brackets. List of fugitives 5 May 1684 Wigton Thomas Macneilly in Portpatrick parish James Semple there Andrew Martin of Little Aries, forfeited [Kirkinner] Wliliam Kennedy in Barnkirk [Penninghame] James Stuart son to Archibald Stuart in Causey-end [Causewayend, Penninghame] Patrick Vause in Mochrum parish John Hay brother to Aryalland [Airyolland, Mochrum] James Macyacky in Kenmuir [Kirkcowan / a Richard KEACHY & family were at Kenmure in 1684] William Macjarrow servant to Culvennan [Kirkcowan] George Stroyen in Kirkowan parish Archibald Stuart in Causey-end [Causewayend, Penninghame] Alexander Clingen in Kilellan Alexander Hunter of Culwhassen, forfeited [Culquhasen, Glenluce] James Soffley merchant in Wigton James Martison in Glenapil, in Peningham parish [Glenhapple / Rachel MARTISON was at Glenhapple in 1684] John Hannay at the mill of Peningham John Martison in Glenmougil, in the said parish Hugh Macdoual weaver in Wigton James Cairns in Peningham parish *John Maclurg smith in Monnigaff Patrick Murdoch of that ilk *Patrick Dunbar younger of Machrimore [Machermore, Minnigaff] *William Stuart son to Stuart wadsetter of Larg [Minnigaff] *Anthony Stuart his son Stuart his son Michael Mactagart liferenter in Glassock [Penninghame] Mr William Hay brother to the laird of Aryalland [Airyolland, Mochrum] *John Mackilhaffy in Craichley's Land [John MAHAFFIE at Gargary in the Barrony of Craiglaw, Kirkcowan in 1684] James Macyacky there [8 other McKEACHYs on Craiglaw properties in 1684] William Wilson in Stranraer *William Tarbran late bailie there [William THORBURNE in 1684] Joseph Macdoual servitor to Sir David Dunbar of Baldoon [Kirkinner] *Alexander Hay of Aryalland [Airyolland, Mochrum] Alexander Maclellan in Carse of Baltersan [Penninghame] Many thanks, Shirley, for this find :-) Mary Richardson

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: McKay Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/473.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Susan. My gr-gr-grandmothers name was Ellen (Helen) McKay. She was b. 1852 in Leswalt. Her parents were Archibald McKay & Mary McNeillie McCubbin. She also had a brother Alexander who was married to Mary Johnstone. What struck me funny was that she & herhusband Charles Watt lived at Doulach farm around 1882. He was the head Dairyman. I'm wondering if our McKay's may be connected. I have the other sibs names & dates too. Also Archibald was from Ireland originally. Thanks Susan, Diane

Only one CASSIDY death was found in all the 1855 Deaths in WIG, it was Mary CASSIDY who died in the Burgh of Whithorn, entry #8 : Mary CASSIDY, 55y born county Monaghan, Ireland lived Whithorn 15y. Parents Daniel EVANS, Labourer deceased & Mary EVANS ms O'NEIL deceased. She married Peter CASSIDY a Labourer and had these children : Biddy now 21y. Margaret who died age 2 in what looks like 1828. Helen age 18y. James 17y. Peter, 16y. Catherine, died age 2 days, no date. Patrick, 13y. Mary, 12y. That's the only CASSIDY who's listed as being deceased in 1855. The WFP listings are for 1854, but the MI posted recently listed an 1855 death for a CASSIDY whose name I've forgotten....... Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

This thread seems to be coming close to my family tree. Please take a look at my website at http://www.samsloan.com/pafg160.htm#4255C I have a bunch of ancestors named Milvain from Duluth, Scotland. I think I am related to all of them, but I have not been able to tie the threads together. One branch went to Australia. Any help would be appreciated. Sam Sloan

Hello, Everyone. I am new to the list, but have already been very impressed by the quality of information on the Wigtownshire web pages. What a superb job of making information available. It's an enormous contribution. I'll tell you what I know about our family and hope that someone will have more to tell us. Joseph Scott, born 1821-1824 in Ireland (that is a recent very big surprise, courtesy of the Wigtownshire on-line 1851 census), died in Glasserton, buried in Glasserton Kirkyard 27 April 1898. He seems to have immigrated to Glasserton with a brother John and a sister Martha. Joseph also arrived with his wife, Agnes Whitby, also buried in Glasserton Kirkyard, also born Ireland, died 27 April 1895. They came with one child, Margaret, at their arrival (between 1841 and 1845). They had 5 other children that I am aware of, born in Glasserton. They are John, Thomas, Martha, Ann Chalmers, Joseph. This last one was born 2 May 1856. He emigrated to Cardiff, Wales, married, and died there in 1906. He was my husband's grandfather. My husband's father was only 4 at the time of his father's death, but he always knew that the family had lived at Drumoddie Farm (South Drumoddie, to be precise). My husband's father eventually (we don't know when) emigrated to Canada and then to the U.S. Thus, my husband grew up American. It's very moving to know more about the lives that were behind us. Now there is a new country in the mix--Ireland. We have been fortunate enough to have visited Glasserton with my husband's first cousin, son of another Scott who was also a son of Joseph. He, too, was born in Cardiff, but moved to England. Some Glasserton residents--the Millar family--were kind enough to tell us about the area and to treat us like visiting royalty! Mrs. Millar's father knew of Drumoddie and, even at his advanced age, rode with us to show us the area. We saw that there were no buildings remaining from the mid-19th century. We would be most interested in knowing anything about the farms from that time. Joseph Scott and his son Joseph were agricultural labourers--ploughman, as we understand. We wonder what the farms were like, how big they were, who owned them, etc. We would, of course, also be interested in knowing anything else about this Scott family. I haven't yet determined if other members of the family are buried in Glasserton, or if they emigrated, or what. Perhaps someone will recognize this family as their own. I assume that they were Scots-Irish from the Protestant areas, as they were buried in Glasserton Kirkyard. Is that a correct assumption, i.e. Roman Catholics would not have been buried there? We don't know very much about the Scottish presence in Ireland, but we do have a friend here who is very knowledgeable on the topic. Their immigration seems to correspond to the beginning of the potato famine. I, too, have Irish ancestors who went directly to New York at about that time. It is possible that mine were from County Cavan, but I'm not sure. They were Catholic. Life was difficult, wasn't it? They did what they had to do to survive. Thank you all for your interest and your help, Lynn in Florida, USA -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.17.36/681 - Release Date: 2/11/2007 6:50 PM

For Susan McDowell in Georgia USA : Old Luce parish records for 1850, page 303 and 304 of Births : Peter, lawful son of Peter McDowall and Margret Buyers born in Borland the 8th and baptized the 13th by the Rev'd John Mcdowall. Can send a scan of the page if you could use it for your records. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA

----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg Greenwood" <scotquester@bartnet.net> To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: [WIG LIST] Henrys, Inch and Stoneykirk, 1841-1881 censuses Perhaps I can be of a little help here. At one time (1855) Thornbank was in Stoneykirk Parish, as was Thorn House. Lochans village was in 3 parishes, Stoneykirk, Inch and Portpatrick. This family are the same Henry family who were well known in Glenluce village as photographers and drapers etc. Diana > In Thorn Bank, Inch, WIG, this HENRY family was located. All born INCH, > year approximated, don't forget ages were rounded DOWN to the nearest > year ending in 5 or 0. > > Agnes Henry, abt 1827 > Alexr Henry, abt 1836 > Alexr Henry, abt 1837 > Andrew Henry, abt 1831 > Daniel Henry, abt 1841 > Jane Henry, abt 1801 > Jane Henry, abt 1831 > John Henry, abt 1801 a Tailor > John Henry, abt 1833 > William Henry, abt 1826 > Thos Wkenell, abt 1806 a Mason > > From seeing other Surnames in WIG [Wigtownshire] I suspect the very > last surname to be WHANNEL, but its strictly an educated guess. > Relationships were not given in the 1841 census, meaning it won't say if > someone was a brother, nephew or a farm servant. Perhaps this is a > blended family, with 2 sets of parents and their children living in the > same household. With a listed birthyear of 1833, it looks like the > brother, John is living here with this family in Thorn Bank. Remember > about the age-rounding that yearfor anyone above 15y. It was not > rigorously done by the enumerator, there was probably some ambiguity to > the instructions. Will try to see where this family is in the 1851 > census.....yes, now in Stoneykirk > > This family lived in Stoneykirk in the 1851 Census....the enumerator did > not put farm names in this district, so you won't get the residence. > Enumeration District 3, page 5, family #16 - > John HENRY, hd, mar, 53y a Grocer born Stoneykirk > Jean HENRY, wife, mar, 49y born Glenluce. > Agness HENRY, daur, unm, 23y born Stoneykirk > Andrew HENRY, son, unm, 21y born Stoneykirk > Jane HENRY, daur, unm, 19y born Stoneykirk > Alexander HENRY, son, 13y born Stoneykirk > Daniel HENRY, son, 10y born Stoneykirk. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > This family was still here in the 1861 Census, this time the enumerator > wrote that they were in Lochans Village- > > ED3, p9, Lochans Village > John HENRY, hd, mar, 64y, Grocer born Stoneykirk > Jane HENRY, wife, mar, 59y born Old Luce > Daniel HENRY, son, 19y a Grocer's son born Stoneykirk > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > The 1871 Census isn't online and searchable, so I tried just flipping > through ED3 for any HENRYs. Didn't find Daniel but did find these : > #D3, p8 - Thomas Kerr HENRY, hd, unm, 23y a Tailor & Clothier born Inch. > William HENRY, Cousin, 20y an apprentice tailor born Stoneykirk. > > Next door was an Agnes HENRY, head, unm, 18y a Dressmaker born Stoneykirk. > > Didn't find any other HENRYs in either ED2 or ED4. Didn't check further, > its a massive parish with 14 large Enumeration Districts by then. > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The 1881 is on CD, Jane is a widow now and lives with another family > member in Lochans Village, ED9 page3 : > > Dwelling: 6 Lochans Village, Inch, Wigtown, Scotland > > Robert HENRY M 61 M Inch, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Head Occ: Tailor > Elisabeth HENRY M 40 F Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Wife Occ: Tailors Wife > Maggie Hay HENRY U 13 F Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau Occ: Assists Mother > John HENRY 9 M Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Son Occ: Scholar > Elizabeth HENRY 7 F Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar > Jane HENRY 5 F Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar > Agnes HENRY 2 F Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau > Jane HENRY W 79 F Glenluce, Wigtown, Scotland > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Also in this CD were found at Low Drumore in Kirkmaiden : > Hugh HENRY W 63 M Inch, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Father In Law Occ: Farm Servant > > At 40 Main Street in Kirkmaiden were : > Thomas Kerr HENRY M 33 M Inch, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Head Occ: Draper & Clothier > Agnes HENRY M 28 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Wife > Sarah P. HENRY 3 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Daur > Robert Mc G. HENRY 1 M Kirkmaiden, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Son > Sarah P. HENRY W 54 F Kirkmaiden, Wigtown, Scotland > > At Cottage in Stoneykirk, ED1 p8 were : > > John HENRY M 42 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Head Occ: Tailor (Master) > Eliza HENRY M 40 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Wife > Eliza HENRY 12 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar > John HENRY 9 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Son Occ: Scholar > William HENRY 7 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Son Occ: Scholar > Jane G. HENRY 3 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau > Agnes M. HENRY 10 m F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > > At Boreland Cottage in Inch ED8 p2 were : > > Hugh HENRY M 38 M Leswalt, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Head Occ: Agri Lab > Jane HENRY M 40 F Inch, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Wife Occ: Agr Labs Wife > John HENRY 12 M Inch, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Son Occ: Scholar > Jane HENRY 10 F Inch, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar > Jessie HENRY 8 F Inch, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar > Rebecca HENRY 6 F Inch, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau > Mary HENRY 3 F Inch, Wigtown, Scotland > > At Lochans Village in Stoneykirk ED3 p5 were > > Alexr. HENRY M 33 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Head Occ: Grocer Master > Elizabeth HENRY M 33 F Old Luce ((Glen Luce)), Wigtown, > Scotland > Rel: Wife > William HENRY 5 M Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland > Rel: Son Occ: Scholar > John HENRY 3 M Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland > Rel: Son Occ: Scholar > Alexr. HENRY 1 M Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland > Rel: Son > Bessie HENRY 15 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Niece Occ: Scholar > > At Cot House in Ardwell ED13 p8 were : > > David HENRY M 34 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Head Occ: Mason (Working) > Jane HENRY M 33 F Old Luce, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Wife Occ: Masons Wife > John HENRY 12 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Son Occ: Scholar > Sarah HENRY 10 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar > Jane HENRY 7 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar > Thomas HENRY 5 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Son > Agnes HENRY 3 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau > Mary M. HENRY 1 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland > Rel: Dau > > Daniel born 1841 wasn't found anywhere in Wigtownshire that year, but > his surname may have been misread if the handwriting was horrible. > There were many more HENRYs, but these seemed like they could be of > interest.....A lot to sort through with more here, get a big piece of > paper and a fresh eraser....start making charts of families. Meg G in OK > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Joan, Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:07:57 -0800, wrote: > > "I am looking for any information on two sons of John Henry and Jane > Gunion. Alexander. christened 22 May 1837 and Daniel , christened 30 Jan > 1841. Both in Stoneykirk, Wigtonshire. Did they marry locally, move > away, > die there? I can find nothing on them. Also, a brother, John c.2 Oct > 1821. Did he die young? as there is another brother, John, c. 14 June > 1834. > Thankyou for your help. Joan" > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Joan, Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:07:57 -0800, wrote: "I am looking for any information on two sons of John Henry and Jane Gunion. Alexander. christened 22 May 1837 and Daniel , christened 30 Jan 1841. Both in Stoneykirk, Wigtonshire. Did they marry locally, move away, die there? I can find nothing on them. Also, a brother, John c.2 Oct 1821. Did he die young? as there is another brother, John, c. 14 June 1834. Thankyou for your help. Joan" Hi Joan, Further to the IGI information posted by Wayne, here are the OPR records from which the IGI records were extracted I have used a slash to indicate where columns have been used, and have not expanded abbreviations. The following two baptism records are transcribed from the LDS film of the Inch OPR: Robert Henry / Lawful Son to John Henry Taylor and Jean Gunion at Bridge Town Lochans was born 14th Novr and Baptized 20th currt 1819 John Henry / Lawful Son to John Henry Taylor & Jean Gunion in Bridge Town Lochans was born 28th Septr 1821 and Baptizd 2d of October Note that the IGI also has a J. HENRY born 28 Sep 1820. I believe that this arises from the original entry of the above record having been mistakenly entered at the bottom of a page which chronologically is amongst 8 births during December 1820. An attempt to erase this record has obviously been made, some sections more successfully than others. I have transcribed this, using [] to indicate where the original writing has been made unreadable. Some other sections are faint, but legible. J[ ] / Lawful Son to John Henry Taylor & Jean Gunion in Bridge Town Lochans was born 28th September and Baptizd [ ] October 182[ ] It is possible that a child was born to this couple in September 1820, but I figure the above explanation is more likely. The 28th September birth date would be quite a coincidence, and the fact that this record has been erased, (although not entirely successfully), are the basis for my suggestion. The subsequent record for John HENRY was in the correct chronological order. The following records are transcribed from the LDS film of the Stoneykirk OPR: Decr 19th John Henry in this Parish and Jane Gunion in the Parish of Old Luce were enrolled for proclamation of Banns three times first Lord’s Day John Henry & Jane Gunion in Thornbank, had a Lawful Son / William / 1824 7th Mar / 1824 21st Mar John Henry & Jane Gunion in Thornbank, had a Lawful Daughter / Agnes / 1826 29th Mar / 1826 16th Apr John Henry & Jane Gunion in Thornbank, had a Lawful Son / Andrew / 1828 30th May / 1828 13th June John Henry & Jane Gunion in Thornbank, had a Lawful Daughter / Jane / 1831 4th Augt / 1831 a8th Augt John Henry & Jane Gunion in Thornbank, had a Lawful Son / John / 1834 31st May / 1834 14th June John Henry & Jane Gunion in Thornbank, had a Lawful Son / Alexander / 1837 8th May / 1837 22d May John Henry & Jane Gunion in Thornbank, had a Legal Son / Daniel / 1841 15th Jany / 1841 30th Jany Regards, Bruce

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/473.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Susan I have an Alexander McKay m. Catherine Williamson as my ancestors (GGG Grandparents). They had a daughter Helen b.1839 I've looked up the BDM index for Victoria, it shows a Hugh Milvain married a Helen McKay in 1857. So it looks like we share some of the same ancestry. regards Phil McKay Victoria, Australia

In Thorn Bank, Inch, WIG, this HENRY family was located. All born INCH, year approximated, don't forget ages were rounded DOWN to the nearest year ending in 5 or 0. Agnes Henry, abt 1827 Alexr Henry, abt 1836 Alexr Henry, abt 1837 Andrew Henry, abt 1831 Daniel Henry, abt 1841 Jane Henry, abt 1801 Jane Henry, abt 1831 John Henry, abt 1801 a Tailor John Henry, abt 1833 William Henry, abt 1826 Thos Wkenell, abt 1806 a Mason From seeing other Surnames in WIG [Wigtownshire] I suspect the very last surname to be WHANNEL, but its strictly an educated guess. Relationships were not given in the 1841 census, meaning it won't say if someone was a brother, nephew or a farm servant. Perhaps this is a blended family, with 2 sets of parents and their children living in the same household. With a listed birthyear of 1833, it looks like the brother, John is living here with this family in Thorn Bank. Remember about the age-rounding that yearfor anyone above 15y. It was not rigorously done by the enumerator, there was probably some ambiguity to the instructions. Will try to see where this family is in the 1851 census.....yes, now in Stoneykirk This family lived in Stoneykirk in the 1851 Census....the enumerator did not put farm names in this district, so you won't get the residence. Enumeration District 3, page 5, family #16 - John HENRY, hd, mar, 53y a Grocer born Stoneykirk Jean HENRY, wife, mar, 49y born Glenluce. Agness HENRY, daur, unm, 23y born Stoneykirk Andrew HENRY, son, unm, 21y born Stoneykirk Jane HENRY, daur, unm, 19y born Stoneykirk Alexander HENRY, son, 13y born Stoneykirk Daniel HENRY, son, 10y born Stoneykirk. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ This family was still here in the 1861 Census, this time the enumerator wrote that they were in Lochans Village- ED3, p9, Lochans Village John HENRY, hd, mar, 64y, Grocer born Stoneykirk Jane HENRY, wife, mar, 59y born Old Luce Daniel HENRY, son, 19y a Grocer's son born Stoneykirk ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The 1871 Census isn't online and searchable, so I tried just flipping through ED3 for any HENRYs. Didn't find Daniel but did find these : #D3, p8 - Thomas Kerr HENRY, hd, unm, 23y a Tailor & Clothier born Inch. William HENRY, Cousin, 20y an apprentice tailor born Stoneykirk. Next door was an Agnes HENRY, head, unm, 18y a Dressmaker born Stoneykirk. Didn't find any other HENRYs in either ED2 or ED4. Didn't check further, its a massive parish with 14 large Enumeration Districts by then. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The 1881 is on CD, Jane is a widow now and lives with another family member in Lochans Village, ED9 page3 : Dwelling: 6 Lochans Village, Inch, Wigtown, Scotland Robert HENRY M 61 M Inch, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Tailor Elisabeth HENRY M 40 F Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Tailors Wife Maggie Hay HENRY U 13 F Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Assists Mother John HENRY 9 M Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Elizabeth HENRY 7 F Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Jane HENRY 5 F Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Agnes HENRY 2 F Portpatrick, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Jane HENRY W 79 F Glenluce, Wigtown, Scotland ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Also in this CD were found at Low Drumore in Kirkmaiden : Hugh HENRY W 63 M Inch, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Father In Law Occ: Farm Servant At 40 Main Street in Kirkmaiden were : Thomas Kerr HENRY M 33 M Inch, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Draper & Clothier Agnes HENRY M 28 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Wife Sarah P. HENRY 3 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Daur Robert Mc G. HENRY 1 M Kirkmaiden, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Son Sarah P. HENRY W 54 F Kirkmaiden, Wigtown, Scotland At Cottage in Stoneykirk, ED1 p8 were : John HENRY M 42 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Tailor (Master) Eliza HENRY M 40 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Wife Eliza HENRY 12 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar John HENRY 9 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar William HENRY 7 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Jane G. HENRY 3 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Agnes M. HENRY 10 m F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland At Boreland Cottage in Inch ED8 p2 were : Hugh HENRY M 38 M Leswalt, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Agri Lab Jane HENRY M 40 F Inch, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Agr Labs Wife John HENRY 12 M Inch, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Jane HENRY 10 F Inch, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Jessie HENRY 8 F Inch, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Rebecca HENRY 6 F Inch, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Mary HENRY 3 F Inch, Wigtown, Scotland At Lochans Village in Stoneykirk ED3 p5 were Alexr. HENRY M 33 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Grocer Master Elizabeth HENRY M 33 F Old Luce ((Glen Luce)), Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Wife William HENRY 5 M Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar John HENRY 3 M Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Alexr. HENRY 1 M Kilmarnock, Ayr, Scotland Rel: Son Bessie HENRY 15 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Niece Occ: Scholar At Cot House in Ardwell ED13 p8 were : David HENRY M 34 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: Mason (Working) Jane HENRY M 33 F Old Luce, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Wife Occ: Masons Wife John HENRY 12 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: Scholar Sarah HENRY 10 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Jane HENRY 7 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Occ: Scholar Thomas HENRY 5 M Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Son Agnes HENRY 3 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Mary M. HENRY 1 F Stoneykirk, Wigtown, Scotland Rel: Dau Daniel born 1841 wasn't found anywhere in Wigtownshire that year, but his surname may have been misread if the handwriting was horrible. There were many more HENRYs, but these seemed like they could be of interest.....A lot to sort through with more here, get a big piece of paper and a fresh eraser....start making charts of families. Meg G in OK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Joan, Wed, 7 Feb 2007 22:07:57 -0800, wrote: "I am looking for any information on two sons of John Henry and Jane Gunion. Alexander. christened 22 May 1837 and Daniel , christened 30 Jan 1841. Both in Stoneykirk, Wigtonshire. Did they marry locally, move away, die there? I can find nothing on them. Also, a brother, John c.2 Oct 1821. Did he die young? as there is another brother, John, c. 14 June 1834. Thankyou for your help. Joan"

----- Original Message ----- From: DIANA HENRY To: sct-wigtownshire@roots Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 7:39 AM Subject: RAILWAYS Dear List, I have two books full of pictures of local railways. "Dumfries and Galloway's Lost Railways" by Gordon Stansfield "Dumfries and Galloways's Last Days of Steam" by W.A.C. Smith both published by:- Stenlake Publishing, 54-58 Mill Square, Catrine, Ayrshire KA5 6 RD Tel/fax -1290 551122 www.stenlake.co.uk Diana

Dear All, 21 of the copies from 1855 have already been posted. I shall have a struggle with some of the remainder for various reasons, some are black, some out of vocus and some just plain unreadable! Diana

Dear List, I have two books full of pictures of local railways. "Dumfries and Galloway's Lost Railways" by Gordon Stansfield "Dumfries and Galloways's Last Days of Steam" by W.A.C. Smith both published by:- Stenlake Publishing, 54-58 Mill Square, Catrine, Ayrshire KA5 6 RD Tel/fax -1290 551122 www.stenlake.co.uk Diana

while searching for my ancestors on the Isle Of Mull, Argyll, I came across some from Wigtownshire - so i thought i would post them. 1901 census.. Tobermory SPROAT William 76yrs Pocular fiscal/writer b. Stanraer Wig SPROAT William 38yrs son Law clerk b. Mull SPROAT John 78yrs brother gardener b. Stanraer, Wig 1901 census.. Kilfinichen and Kilvicheon MCCHEYNE Robert 48yrs ploughman b. Glasserton MCCHEYNE Ellen 40yrs b. Kirkinner MCCHEYNE Ellen 16yrs dght b. Kirkinner MCCHEYNE Eliz 09yrs dght b, Kirkcowan MCCHEYNE Stanley 07yrs son b. Kirkcowan MCCHEYNE Irene 05yrs dght b. Kirkcowan [ 2 other children b. Mull Allas? 04yrs, Alina 01yr.] 1901 census Kilninian and Kilmore MCMASTER Archibald 49yrs fisherman b. Mull MCMASTER Mary 49yrs b. Kirkinner they also appear with their family on 1891 census 1891 census.. Kilninian and Kilmore [Fracadale Farm House] MARTIN Agnes 26yrs servant Table Maid b. Wigtown 1901 census.. Calgary Castle MARTIN Agnes 46yrs ? Table Maid Domestic b. Kirkinner [ must be same person ! ] I hope these help someone, and i will post any more that i find. interests.. Bell, Saunders, Marshall, Stanhope, Mcmeekan - Wigtownshire Mcdonald, Goldie , - Isle of Mull, Inverness. Mcintosh, Mcdonald, Gold,- Perthshire.

DIANA HENRY wrote: > Dear List, does anyone know the EXACT definition of the word "Croft". Is there a certain acreage perhaps.? or does it mean something else? Some of the tenants in 19 Century Mark (Stoneykirk Parish) are "Crofters" while others are not. The word is used outwith Scotland too. I'll not be exact, except to say that in SCT Highlands it is a rented/ leased farming property with a level of special protection for the rights of the tenant. The local authority may restrict attempts to convert the land title to another nature. Example, a proprietor wishing to convert to industrial, commercial or residential occupancy instead of agriculture may have to first apply for a De- crofting to be approved. I was long ago the <only> Australian member of the Crofters' Union, at the time the President was Dr James Hunter. There is good data at: http://www.gms.org.uk/news/05/amnarbeatha.php Cheers, ALISTAIR M. CAMERON A.A.G.R.A. Professional Genealogist http://quozl.netrek.org/cameron-research/ PO Box 215 BUNDANOON NSW 2578 AUSTRALIA Visit Bundanoon Village Website... http://www.bundanoon.com.au/