Meg, Thanks for transcribing more of the records and posting them to the List. It provided just a little more on our McKenzie / McWhinnie family of Airyolland. Claire in NZ ....................................... Subject: [WIG LIST] Old Luce 1819 marriage Skimming / Hanny Found this in the OPRs for OLD LUCE... 4 Nov, 1819. Alexander McWHINNE in High Airyoland? New Luce and Janet WILLIAMSON in Airy hemman [sic]. Married at Airy hemman.

Hi Pauline & all, I maybe about to learn something new I think. I had previously thought vintners were wine DEALERS, rather the wine GROWERS, no doubt yourself, or SKS on the list will put me right. I also have vintners in Stranraer .... well at least sometimes he was, he did other "stuff" as well .... he was William Gibson b. abt 1802ish died 1871ish (working without notes here .... but close to right). Cheers Carolyn, in steamy Innisfail, Nth Qld. Will be interesting to see what answers come in. > Hi > > My 5x g uncle was a wine and spirit merchant in Stranraer in the 1850's. > In > looking at the Directories for this period I have noticed a lot of > vintners > in the area - not an occupation I associated with this area as I had this > idea that vines generally needed a warmer climate. Obviously this may not > be the case. Relatives from Kirkcolm who emigrated to South Australia > started one of the first vineyards there and Auldana is still producing > today so obviously came by their knowledge locally. Can anybody help with > information ? > > regards > Pauline > Melbourne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Have you found records for any where? I have a McAdam that was an inn-keeper and I would like to learn more. Regards, JLE =========================== Researching: Evans (adopted), Whitton, Duffie, Gilmour, McAdam, Russell, Ross, Allason, Montgomerie, Wyllie, Clark, Walker, Wallace http://mcadam.rootschat.net/ http://www.history.ca/microsites/AncestorsintheAttic/default.aspx http://www.myspace.com/ladymcadam Free Stuff: http://giftcards.freepay.com/?r=33746989 "Information which is not communicated is valueless. Information which cannot be found is worthless. The value of Information is directly related to its accessibility" -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of The McWhirters Sent: February 16, 2007 6:38 AM To: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [WIG LIST] inn-keeper licences Another aspect of this vintner business are the licences issued to those who wished to sell alcohol. I have tried in vain to see if licence records exist for licences issued to Stranraer area inn-keepers for the early to mid 18th c. As far as I can tell nothing remains. Has anyone found any records? Ian Ian Macwhirter ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Maisie, I put your Thomas Ireland and Anne Hyslop in to familysearch as parents and came up with following children; Robert 12/8/1867 John 1/2/1863 Thomas 6/9/1871 James 2/12/1873 Grace 8/3/1861 all baptised Rerrick Kirkcudbrightshire There is also a David born 1888 and Peter born 1880. These were submitted by LDS members. They may have been extracted from birth records as these happened after civil registration. I also found the marriage of Thomas Ireland and Anne Hyslop 10/6/1859 in Rerrick. The LDS listing for this parish runs out in 1875. Diane >From: "Maisie Egger" <campsie@tcsn.net> >To: <DFSGAL@aol.com>, <sct-kirkcudbrightshire@rootsweb.com>, >"sct-wigtownshire@roots" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WIG LIST] HYSLOP/IRELAND/JOHNSTONE >Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:11:21 -0800 > >My HYSLOP/CLINT lines seem to have had large families in their long sojourn >in Auchencairn, Kirkcudbrightshire. > >One, John Hyslop (1788 Cotton Mill -1875 Shuttle Bank, Auchencairn) and his >wife Grace Thomson (1802 Kelton - 1882 Shuttle Bank, Auchencairn) had 12 >children. I have since learned that three sons, not two, died at sea and I >am working on finding out the circumstances of such tragedies. > >John and Grace Hyslop's daughter Ann (b. April 19, 1837, no d.o.d. >available) is buried in Auchencairn Cemetery. She married Thomas Ireland, >b. 1830 Balmaghie. > >Their six children -- > >William April 12, 1859 Kirkbright Anwoth >Grace March 3, 1861 Shuttle Bank, Auchencairn > >Robert August 12, 1861 born where? >(There's something quite wrong here with the year as there's only five >months difference between his birth and that of Grace.) > >John February 1, 1863 born where ? >Thomas September 6, 1871 born where ? >James December 2, 1873 born where ? > >One of those six had to have had a daughter Charlotte Ireland, but which >one? >In turn, she married Captain Herbert Morris Johnstone, MN. > >Herbert Morris Johnstone is such an English-sounding combination that I >wonder if he is English. On Ancestry.com his name is listed under >Dumfriesshire and Kirkcudbrighshire Parish and Probate Records. > >Question: Would anyone have access to any records who could find out among >the six children to Ann Hyslop and Thomas Ireland to which one Charlotte >Ireland "belonged" so that I can fit her on the tree? > >Can anyone explain why Grace and Robert Ireland are both born in 1861, only >five months apart? > >A big order, but if I can get answers it will help to unscramble some more >entwined branches. > >Maisie > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Click Here To Find Your Perfect Match This Valentines! http://msnuk.match.com/

BMD'S FROM WFP 1ST MARCH 1855 This copy was posted on 15th February, 2004

BIRTHS WALES, Female - B19/2/1855 - Here, at Bridge Street, on the 19th instant, the wife of Mr R. Wales, painter, of a daughter. MURE, Female - B15/2/1855 - At Kirkcudbright, on the 15th instant, Mrs Mure of a daughter. MARRIAGES (BLAIR), Neil Fergusson - M15/2/1855 - At Edinburgh, on the 15th instant, by the Rev. John Caird of Errol Neil Fergusson (Blair), of (Barhayjock), Perthshire to (Eglington), third daughter of the late Lieutenant General Sir Neil Douglas, KCB, and KCH and widow of James Vaughan Allen Esq., of Inchmar. STEEL, Thomas - M14/2/1855 - At Doonbank, parish of Maybole, on the 14th instant, by the Rev. W. Shaw of Ayr, Mr Thomas Steel, merchant, Ayr to Isabella, daughter of Mr John M'Creath. DEATHS AIRD, Charlotte - D19/2/1855 - At Agnew Crescent, here, on the 19th inst, Charlotte aged 2 years, daughter of Mr John Aird, Mariner. M'CREDIE/COATS, Grace - D18/2/1855 - At Tonnachrae parish of Inch, on the 18th instant, after a protrcted illness, Grace Coats, wife of Mr John M'Credie, farmer there. PEACOCK, David - D14/2/1855 -Suddenly at Minnigaff, on the 14th instant, Mr David Peacock, aged 83 years. M'KENNA, James - D17/2/1855 - At Wigtown Row, Newton-Stewart, on the 17th inst, Mr James M'Kenna, aged 34 years. HALL, Robert - D9/2/1855 - At Balaklava, on the 9th instant, Mr Robert Hall of the 121 Royal Highlanders. Deceased was a native of Newton-Stewart, and enlisted in that regiment some years ago. DAWSON/BISSETT, Isabella - D14/2/1855 - At Kirk Hill, Torry, Aberdeen, on the 14th instant, Isabella Bissett, wife of Mr Thomas Dawson, late Pricipal Light-keeper, Cairnryan Lighthouse, much regretted. SINCLAIR, John - D14/2/1855 - At Albany Place, near Dumfries, on the 14th instant, in his 72d year, Mr John Sinclair, bookseller. CATHCART, Robert Alfred - D15/2/1855 - At Castle Street, Edinburgh, on the 15th instant, aged 30 years, Robert Alfred Cathcart, Esq., W.S. only surviving son of Elias Cathcart, Esq., of Auchendrane, Ayrshire. RODDICK, John - D17/1/1855 - At his residence, Rice Lake Plains, townshire of Hamilton, near Coburg, Canada West, on 17th January last, Mr John Roddick, formerly of Urr, Kirkcudbrightshire. HOWATSON (HEWETSON), Joseph - D16/1/1855 - At S. Clairaville, Belmont County, State of Ohio, W.S. on 16th January last, Joseph Howatson (Hewetson), M.D. aged 51. Deceased was for several years a highly respected medical practitioner in Wigtown and for upwards of twenty years has practised with success at S. Clairaville.

BIRTHS WARREN, Male - B12/2/1855 - Here at South Strand Street, on the 12th instant, the wife of Mr David Warren, upholsterer, of a son. CUMMING, Female - B12/2/1855 - At Dourie Bank, on the 12th instant, Mrs Cumming, of a daughter. GOUDIE, Male - B6/2/1855 - At Barrhill, on the 6th instant, the wife of Mr James Goudie, blacksmith, of a son. M'CREATH, Female - B6/2/1855 - At Marklauch, on the 6th instant, Mrs M'Creath, of a daughter. M'FIE, Female - B12/2/1855 - At Wigtown Row, Newton Stewart, on the 12th inst, Mrs M'Fie, of a daughter. MARRIAGES M'LELLAND, Alexander - M13/2/1855 - Here at North Strand Street, on the 13th instant, by the Rev. George Charles, Mr Alexander M'Lelland, baker and graindealer, to Jane, only daughter of the late Mr James MacMeikan, graindealer. JAMES, John - M14/2/1855 - Here at Hanover Street, on the 14th inst., by the Rev. G.D. Mathews, Mr John James, currier, to Mary, eldest daughter of Mr Alex. Small, boot and shoemaker. LIDDERDALE, James - M14/2/1855 - At Church Street, Stranraer, on the 14th inst, by the Rev. William Smillie, of the U.P. Church, Mr James Lidderdale, to Miss Mary Hannay, daughter of the late John Hannay, Esq., farmer, Girthon. GRIERSON, John - M7/2/1855 - At Maidland, near Wigtown, on the 7th instant, Mr John Grierson, merchant, Castle-Douglas, to Elizabeth, second daughter of Mr Muir, farmer there. SMITH, James - M6/2/1855 - At East Whithorn, on the 6th inst., by the Rev. J.W. Macmeckan, of the Reformed Presbyterian Church Lesmahagow, James Smith, Esq., coalmaster, Auchenhard House, parish of Livingston, to Margaret, fifth daughter of the late Thomas Forsyth, Esq., East Whitburn. DEATHS BUCHANAN, (Benjamin) - D11/2/1855 - At Waulk Mill, parish of Leswalt, on the 11th instant, Mr (Benjamin) Buchanan, farmer. CLELLAND, Helen - D5/2/1855 - At Wigtown, on the 5th instant, after a lingering illness, Hellen, daughter of Mr John Clelland, Superintendent of Police, aged 26. M'CLELLAND, Samuel - In the WFP 15/2/1855 - At Newton-Stewart, after a lingering illness, borne with christian patience and resignation, Samuel M'Clelland, aged 27 years. GALLOWAY, John - D6/11/1854 - At Melbourne, Australia, on the 6th November last, John, aged 32 years, youngest son of Mr John Galloway, joiner, Garliestown. HAYBURN, Mrs - D8/2/1855 - At Scarhead, on the 8th instant, Mrs Hayburn, relict of Barney Hayburn, at the advanced age of 100 years. ELLIOT, Harriet - D9/2/1855 - On the 9th instant, at the Hotel Meurice, Paris, Lady Harriet Elliot, youngest daughter of the Earl of Minto, and sister of Lady John Russell. HENDERSON, William - D9/2/1855 - On the 9th instant, in Cornwallis Street, Liverpool, aged 49, Mr William Henderson, late officer of the ship Jemsetjee Cursetjee, and late of Wigtown, Scotland. GENOA, Duke of - D10/2/1855 - On the 10th instant, at Turin, aged 31, the Duke of Genoa, brother of the present sovereign of Piedmont. Within a few weeks, and almost in the act of giving an example of active magnanimity to the kings of the continent by taking part in the European war, he has seen his mother, his wife, and now his brother, fall at his side. BUTLER, Charles G. - D18/12/1854 - At Bombay, on the 18th December last, Captain Charles G. Butler, 86th Regiment, commanding the Military Sanitary Station at (Poorinhur) , brother of the two Captains Butler who fell at Silistria and Inkermann. MELVILLE, Henry Beresford - In the WFP D15/2/1855 - In the prime of life, Captain Henry Beresford Melville. Deceased was the sole officer of his regiment who survived the unfortunate Cabul expedition, having been severely wounded in the Kyber pass, and taken prisoner by Akbar Khan, together with Lady Sale, Lady Macnaughten, and others. He afterwards served in the Sikh war, and was at the actions of Sobraon and Ferezeshah. STRUTHERS, M.D. Alex., - D20/1/1855 - At Scutari, Turkey, on the 20th ultimo, of fever, Alex. Struthers, M.D. acting assistant surgeon, lately house surgeon in the royal Infirmary of Edinburgh, youngest son of the late Alexander Struthers, Esq., of Brucefield, Dunfermline. CAMPBELL, W.R.N. - D25/1/1855 - At Scutari, on the 25th ultimo, Captain W.R.N. Campbell, 5th Dragoon Guards, eldest and only surviving son of the late Brigadier General Alexander Campbell, C.B. and K.H., of Blackburn House, Ayrshire, N.B. Captain Campbell served in the West Indies in the 92d Highlanders, and in the 9th Lancers during the whole of the Gwalior and Punjaub campaign of 1844, 1845 and 1816 under General Lord Gough. In 1853 he exchanged to the 5th dragoon Guards, which he accompanied to Turkey in May last, passing through the ordeal of the melancholy scenes of disease at Varaa, &c., when the regiment suffered severely from cholera. In the memorable and brilliant charge of the heavy brigade of cavalry on the 25th of October, at Balaklava, he narrowly escaped, while gallantly leading the squadron he commanded, but, alas, even his dauntless and cheerful spirit failed to sustain him through the subsequent severe hardships and privations, exposed to wet and cold, and which his too sensitive feeling of honour prevailed on him to struggle against, until human exertion was exhausted, and he reluctantly yielded to medical decision , which removed him, on the 4th December, to Scutari, where he sank on the 23d, leaving a numerous circle of frineds and most attached relatives to lament his early loss, and a devoted mother to bewail the premature fall of her only most beloved son - "???ted Service Gazette". STUART, Patrick - In the WFP 15/2/1855 - General the Hon. Sir Patrick Stuart, colonel of the 44th Regiment, died in Scotland a few days ago. He was the second son of the late Lord Blantyre, and uncle to the present peer.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Surnames: Darben Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1860/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm looking for information on the Darben Family, Sheila and Arthur and children. In 1959, they lived at: Soleburn Croft, Kickcolm, Stranraer, Wigtownshire.

Thank you so much, Diane. This certainly clears up the birth year of ROBERT IRELAND as I knew both he and his sister GRACE IRELAND could not have been born in 1881 just a few months apart. Maybe I need new specs! Now if I could just find who the parents were for CHARLOTTE IRELAND , married to Captain Herbert Morris Johnstone, M.N. (died Duncraig, Auchencairn 8.3.1971 aged 67), I could feel justified for spending so much time trying to fit her into this huge Hyslop/Clint/Ireland puzzle. Scotlandspeople was a bust, as they say! Maisie ----- Original Message ----- From: "diane roscoe" <fraggle.roscoe@hotmail.co.uk> To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] HYSLOP/IRELAND/JOHNSTONE > Hi Maisie, > I put your Thomas Ireland and Anne Hyslop in to familysearch as parents > and > came up with following children; > Robert 12/8/1867 > John 1/2/1863 > Thomas 6/9/1871 > James 2/12/1873 > Grace 8/3/1861 > all baptised Rerrick Kirkcudbrightshire > There is also a David born 1888 and Peter born 1880. These were submitted > by > LDS members. They may have been extracted from birth records as these > happened after civil registration. > I also found the marriage of Thomas Ireland and Anne Hyslop 10/6/1859 in > Rerrick. > > The LDS listing for this parish runs out in 1875. > Diane > > >>From: "Maisie Egger" <campsie@tcsn.net> >>To: <DFSGAL@aol.com>, <sct-kirkcudbrightshire@rootsweb.com>, >>"sct-wigtownshire@roots" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> >>Subject: [WIG LIST] HYSLOP/IRELAND/JOHNSTONE >>Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 09:11:21 -0800 >> >>My HYSLOP/CLINT lines seem to have had large families in their long >>sojourn >>in Auchencairn, Kirkcudbrightshire. >> >>One, John Hyslop (1788 Cotton Mill -1875 Shuttle Bank, Auchencairn) and >>his >>wife Grace Thomson (1802 Kelton - 1882 Shuttle Bank, Auchencairn) had 12 >>children. I have since learned that three sons, not two, died at sea and >>I >>am working on finding out the circumstances of such tragedies. >> >>John and Grace Hyslop's daughter Ann (b. April 19, 1837, no d.o.d. >>available) is buried in Auchencairn Cemetery. She married Thomas Ireland, >>b. 1830 Balmaghie. >> >>Their six children -- >> >>William April 12, 1859 Kirkbright Anwoth >>Grace March 3, 1861 Shuttle Bank, Auchencairn >> >>Robert August 12, 1861 born where? >>(There's something quite wrong here with the year as there's only five >>months difference between his birth and that of Grace.) >> >>John February 1, 1863 born where ? >>Thomas September 6, 1871 born where ? >>James December 2, 1873 born where ? >> >>One of those six had to have had a daughter Charlotte Ireland, but which >>one? >>In turn, she married Captain Herbert Morris Johnstone, MN. >> >>Herbert Morris Johnstone is such an English-sounding combination that I >>wonder if he is English. On Ancestry.com his name is listed under >>Dumfriesshire and Kirkcudbrighshire Parish and Probate Records. >> >>Question: Would anyone have access to any records who could find out >>among >>the six children to Ann Hyslop and Thomas Ireland to which one Charlotte >>Ireland "belonged" so that I can fit her on the tree? >> >>Can anyone explain why Grace and Robert Ireland are both born in 1861, >>only >>five months apart? >> >>A big order, but if I can get answers it will help to unscramble some more >>entwined branches. >> >>Maisie >> >>------------------------------- >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _________________________________________________________________ > Click Here To Find Your Perfect Match This Valentines! > http://msnuk.match.com/ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Diana, As the terminology goes, this DAVID PEACOCK is a collateral relative, and I thank you very much for listing the death notice, as it confirms what I have recorded on the "tree." He was the grandfather of my elusive TOALL relative, which a fabulous Wig sleuth was able to find for me...a lot o' wee weans born on the other side of the blanket which made finding the connection between the two names challenging, but he did it! Maisie ----- Original Message ----- From: "DIANA HENRY" <dianahhenry@btinternet.com> To: "sct-wigtownshire@roots" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 10:04 AM Subject: [WIG LIST] BMD'S FROM WFP 22ND FEBRUARY, 1855 DEATH .> PEACOCK, David - D14/2/1855 -Suddenly at Minnigaff, on the 14th instant, Mr David Peacock, aged 83 years. >

That is fascinating information. I have the feeling that the family of my Gordon ancestor from NJ (b. abt 1832) arrived at that time, but I haven't yet been able to trace him earlier than that. Some of you might not know that there was a strong Gordon presence in pre-Revolutionary NJ. You can read about these fugitives at the web site of Old Tennent Church. There is an old Scots burying ground and a Gordon's Corners Rd. in that area. Old Tennent Church was involved in the Battle of Monmouth in the Revolution. Some of you might enjoy reading about it and seeing photos of the church. Lynn in Fla. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.441 / Virus Database: 268.18.0/689 - Release Date: 2/15/2007 5:40 PM

Hello, Whilst digging about for some passenger lists, I found the following; http://khuish.tripod.com/ships/henfran.htm It's not Wigtownshire, but Leith. It gives a passenger list of those Covenenters who were 'banished' to the New World. The 'testamony' that they signed on leaving is moving in its defiance. Diane >From: Mary Richardson <mrichson@ix.netcom.com> >To: "Mail list: WIG" <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >Subject: [WIG LIST] 5 May 1684 fugitives >Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2007 13:18:37 -0500 > >Shirley Walsh has been digging in an 1835 publication titled "The >History of the Sufferings of the Church of Scotland, etc" by Robert >Wodrow and Robert Burns. It is available on Google Books at >http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC67468590&id=j0YRAAAAIAAJ&dq=the+History+of+the+Sufferings+of+the+Church+of+Scotland >. > >Page 22 lists the Wigtownshire citizens who were outlawed on 5 May >1684 by proclamation of Charles II for allegiance to >Presbyterianism. Most of the people on this list do not seem to >appear on the 1684 parish lists >(http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~leighann/1684/intro.html), so >this list improves our understanding of who was living in >Wigtownshire back then. I have marked those who appear on both lists >with an asterisk (*). I've also added some explanatory notes...and >guesses...in brackets. > >List of fugitives 5 May 1684 >Wigton > >Thomas Macneilly in Portpatrick parish >James Semple there >Andrew Martin of Little Aries, forfeited [Kirkinner] >Wliliam Kennedy in Barnkirk [Penninghame] >James Stuart son to Archibald Stuart in Causey-end [Causewayend, >Penninghame] >Patrick Vause in Mochrum parish >John Hay brother to Aryalland [Airyolland, Mochrum] >James Macyacky in Kenmuir [Kirkcowan / a Richard KEACHY & family >were at Kenmure in 1684] >William Macjarrow servant to Culvennan [Kirkcowan] >George Stroyen in Kirkowan parish >Archibald Stuart in Causey-end [Causewayend, Penninghame] >Alexander Clingen in Kilellan >Alexander Hunter of Culwhassen, forfeited [Culquhasen, Glenluce] >James Soffley merchant in Wigton >James Martison in Glenapil, in Peningham parish [Glenhapple / >Rachel MARTISON was at Glenhapple in 1684] >John Hannay at the mill of Peningham >John Martison in Glenmougil, in the said parish >Hugh Macdoual weaver in Wigton >James Cairns in Peningham parish >*John Maclurg smith in Monnigaff >Patrick Murdoch of that ilk >*Patrick Dunbar younger of Machrimore [Machermore, Minnigaff] >*William Stuart son to Stuart wadsetter of Larg [Minnigaff] >*Anthony Stuart his son > Stuart his son >Michael Mactagart liferenter in Glassock [Penninghame] >Mr William Hay brother to the laird of Aryalland [Airyolland, Mochrum] >*John Mackilhaffy in Craichley's Land [John MAHAFFIE at Gargary in >the Barrony of Craiglaw, Kirkcowan in 1684] >James Macyacky there [8 other McKEACHYs on Craiglaw properties in 1684] >William Wilson in Stranraer >*William Tarbran late bailie there [William THORBURNE in 1684] >Joseph Macdoual servitor to Sir David Dunbar of Baldoon [Kirkinner] >*Alexander Hay of Aryalland [Airyolland, Mochrum] >Alexander Maclellan in Carse of Baltersan [Penninghame] > > >Many thanks, Shirley, for this find :-) > >Mary Richardson > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ MSN Hotmail is evolving – check out the new Windows Live Mail http://ideas.live.com

Hi Irene, Kirk Session records 1724 - 1977 are held by National Archicves, Edinburgh. The baptism and marriage registers 1731 - 1854, (OPRs), have been filmed by the LDS, so you can access them at any LDS Family History Centre. The same OPR records are available through Scotlandspeople, who have recently made available scanned images of the OPRs. I have access to all of the Wigtownshire OPRs. If you would like to send details, (off-list), of the 1835 record you are seeking, I can check if it is in the OPR, and if so, make a transcription for you. Most OPR baptism and marriage records have been extracted to the IGI, so if the record you seek is not in the IGI, it is unlikely to be in the OPRs. Regards, Bruce __________________ Does anyone have access to or know of any church records/session for old luce/glenluce for 1835 or were i would find them .thank you irene

Hi My 5x g uncle was a wine and spirit merchant in Stranraer in the 1850's. In looking at the Directories for this period I have noticed a lot of vintners in the area - not an occupation I associated with this area as I had this idea that vines generally needed a warmer climate. Obviously this may not be the case. Relatives from Kirkcolm who emigrated to South Australia started one of the first vineyards there and Auldana is still producing today so obviously came by their knowledge locally. Can anybody help with information ? regards Pauline Melbourne

Another aspect of this vintner business are the licences issued to those who wished to sell alcohol. I have tried in vain to see if licence records exist for licences issued to Stranraer area inn-keepers for the early to mid 18th c. As far as I can tell nothing remains. Has anyone found any records? Ian Ian Macwhirter

Hi Lyn, Herbert Eustace JOHNSTON-STEWART, b:15 Jul 1880, was a son of Robert Hathorn Johnston STEWART, son of Stair Hawthorn STEWART of Physgill, b: 29 SEP 1796 and Margaret JOHNSTON. < http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lmccann&id=I3833 > His mother was a MAXWELL, and from his given name, I assume one of the Monreith MAXWELLs. Sir Herbert Eustace MAXWELL was owner of Monreith and Wigtownshire's member of parliament. This explains the Glasserton connection. It may also explain the given name of your Agricultural Labourer. Ordinary folk sometimes named children as a mark of respect for ministers or landowners, or even close friends. I don't know if Drummodie was part of the Ravenstone estate, but if it was, it would also have been owned by the STEWARTs. Regards, Bruce __________________ Can anyone tell me anything about the following inscription, found on the south wall of Glasserton Kirk? "Suffibulatis Majores Sequor Highland Light Infantry. To the Glory of God and in loving memory of Herbert Eustace Johnston-Stewart, Captain 2nd Batt Highland Light Infantry. Born at Glasserton 15th July 1880. Served with the Imperial Mounted Infantry in the South African War 1899-1902. Killed in action at Richebourg L'Avoue, France 17th May 1915. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. And of Violet Corse Scott his loving wife who died 18th July 1915." Does anyone know what his connection was to the Glasserton area? Could he have been connected to Drummoddie Farm? My husband's father--son of Joseph Scott, b. Drumoddie, 1856, was named Herbert Eustace. It seems like too much of a coincidence. Yet, this man was b. 1880, around the time when our Joseph would have emigrated to Wales (he was married in Cardiff in 1884), so he wouldn't have remembered this man. Perhaps his father was also a Herbert Eustace in that area--he could have been known to our family. Since our family consisted of agricultural labourers, it seems likely that this was the name of a superior. I'm still hoping for historical Drumoddie information, where the name came from, etc. Thank you, Lynn in Fla.

What goes around comes around... extract from Scots newspaper report - << The Winelands of Britain charts the ebb and flow of wine production in Britain since the last major Ice Age. Viniculture first emerged in the Neolithic era around 2,700BC when Britain was warming up. In the Roman age, around 300AD, vineyards were established as far north as a line drawn from the Humber to the Severn estuaries before failing as temperatures dropped again. Now, with temperatures rising again, the most northerly vineyard has been set up in North Yorkshire. Selley claims that south-facing peaks in the Derbyshire Peak District, which has the same geology as Greece, and the Lake District will become warm enough to support grape growth within 50 years. "Vineyards flourish on rocks of all ages and types, but it is the interplay of geology and climate that determines the landscape in which the vineyard lies and the soil in which it grows," he said. "The seasons are important but vines can tolerate quite cold winters. In Canada, you will see vineyards with snow all around." The best Scottish wine estates will be along the south-facing slopes of the Great Glen where the geology is similar to the Cape vineyards of South Africa. "The prime estates will be on the north shores of the lochs (Ness, Lochy and Linnhe) where the sunny south-east facing slopes will receive enhanced radiation reflected from the waters of the lochs below," said Selley.>> Our village in Herefordshire cultivates mixed hop and vine growing and the increased popularity of cider and perry boosted the orchards. UK white wines achieve international awards but the drawback for consumers is the price. It is said that those with fizz could eventually rival French Champagnes - but don't hold your breath... Betty ___________________________________________________________ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html

I think the general opinion that a vintner is a wine seller - not necessarily a wine producer - is correct (backed up by the Oxford dictionary definition of the term vintner). I found this on a web site for Leith:- << <<At one time, nearly all the wines imported into Scotland came into Leith and the Sherry Room was used as an auction room and one of the walls housed the Vintner's Stand. Until the middle of the nineteenth century, ships carrying wine docked at the Fish Quay at the foot of the Tolbooth Wynd and as soon as the news of a cargo of wine was received, the vintners of the town gathered in the Sherry Room where the President of the Vintners Guild took up his position on the Vintner's Stand. Samples of the various wines were carried to The Vaults where they were tasted and then auctioned. A reconstruction of the tablet of The Association of porters, dated 1678 can be seen bedded into the external stone wall of The Vaults and the original was at one time located in the Square Tower, Tolbooth Wynd, over the entrance to the Old Sugar House Close.>> B. ___________________________________________________________ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk

Just to add to this, Herbet Eustace Johnston-Stewart's mother was Anne Murray Maxwell. She was the sister of Herbert Eustace Maxwell, and daughter of William Maxwell and Helenora Shaw Stewart, and they were the Maxwell's of Monreith. Rachel -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Bruce McDowall Sent: 16 February 2007 00:28 To: sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Cc: John F. Scott; Lynn Scott Subject: [WIG LIST] Herbert Eustace Johnston-Stewart insriptionGlasserton Kirk Hi Lyn, Herbert Eustace JOHNSTON-STEWART, b:15 Jul 1880, was a son of Robert Hathorn Johnston STEWART, son of Stair Hawthorn STEWART of Physgill, b: 29 SEP 1796 and Margaret JOHNSTON. < http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=lmccann&id=I3833 > His mother was a MAXWELL, and from his given name, I assume one of the Monreith MAXWELLs. Sir Herbert Eustace MAXWELL was owner of Monreith and Wigtownshire's member of parliament. This explains the Glasserton connection. It may also explain the given name of your Agricultural Labourer. Ordinary folk sometimes named children as a mark of respect for ministers or landowners, or even close friends. I don't know if Drummodie was part of the Ravenstone estate, but if it was, it would also have been owned by the STEWARTs. Regards, Bruce __________________ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My HYSLOP/CLINT lines seem to have had large families in their long sojourn in Auchencairn, Kirkcudbrightshire. One, John Hyslop (1788 Cotton Mill -1875 Shuttle Bank, Auchencairn) and his wife Grace Thomson (1802 Kelton - 1882 Shuttle Bank, Auchencairn) had 12 children. I have since learned that three sons, not two, died at sea and I am working on finding out the circumstances of such tragedies. John and Grace Hyslop's daughter Ann (b. April 19, 1837, no d.o.d. available) is buried in Auchencairn Cemetery. She married Thomas Ireland, b. 1830 Balmaghie. Their six children -- William April 12, 1859 Kirkbright Anwoth Grace March 3, 1861 Shuttle Bank, Auchencairn Robert August 12, 1861 born where? (There's something quite wrong here with the year as there's only five months difference between his birth and that of Grace.) John February 1, 1863 born where ? Thomas September 6, 1871 born where ? James December 2, 1873 born where ? One of those six had to have had a daughter Charlotte Ireland, but which one? In turn, she married Captain Herbert Morris Johnstone, MN. Herbert Morris Johnstone is such an English-sounding combination that I wonder if he is English. On Ancestry.com his name is listed under Dumfriesshire and Kirkcudbrighshire Parish and Probate Records. Question: Would anyone have access to any records who could find out among the six children to Ann Hyslop and Thomas Ireland to which one Charlotte Ireland "belonged" so that I can fit her on the tree? Can anyone explain why Grace and Robert Ireland are both born in 1861, only five months apart? A big order, but if I can get answers it will help to unscramble some more entwined branches. Maisie