It may not apply to the Kellys, but there is another historical connection between the area and Ireland - James the 6th of Scotland/1st of Great Britain solved, or at least improved, part of his Borders troubles by banishing substantial numbers of what he called "those dour Scots" from the Dumfries and Kirkudbright areas and implanting them into the Ulster area of Northern Ireland. There was substantial movement back and forth after that. Jack Butler -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of William Kelly Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:37 AM To: Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Irish in your family Dear List, All of my Wigtown family were Irish. There seems to have been a strong historical connection perhaps from Wigtown's promenance as a seaport with trade linking Ireland, Isle of Man and Liverpool. My family seemed to arrive around the time of the famine from Down and Armagh. The names are a givaway too - Kelly, McCluskey, Sheridan and Shevlin among them. The Kellys seemed to stop for a generation before moving on to America but descendants of the McCluskeys and Shevlin were still around as recently as 1980. I wonder if any of the local listees knew a relative called Mary Celia McCluskey (or possibly Ertel) or Margaret Herbert who was a schoolteacher in the Wigtown area? Happy St. Patrick's day to all. Bill Kelly ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear List, All of my Wigtown family were Irish. There seems to have been a strong historical connection perhaps from Wigtown's promenance as a seaport with trade linking Ireland, Isle of Man and Liverpool. My family seemed to arrive around the time of the famine from Down and Armagh. The names are a givaway too - Kelly, McCluskey, Sheridan and Shevlin among them. The Kellys seemed to stop for a generation before moving on to America but descendants of the McCluskeys and Shevlin were still around as recently as 1980. I wonder if any of the local listees knew a relative called Mary Celia McCluskey (or possibly Ertel) or Margaret Herbert who was a schoolteacher in the Wigtown area? Happy St. Patrick's day to all. Bill Kelly

I have at least 4 early families who were born in Ireland, while their spouses and/or children were born in and around Stranraer. In some cases 2 generation were born in Ireland Marion -------------- Original message -------------- From: Wayne Hannay <wayne.hannay@shaw.ca> > This is a timely Subject !! > > At least one of my early ancestors siblings was born in Ireland probably > because of the family business. > > Do you have an Irish Link in your family ?? > > Happy St. Patrick's Day everyone !! > > Wayne > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Do you have an Irish Link in your family ?? ....................... My SCOTS - In Northern Ireland on their way to Pennsylvania in mid 1700s JACKSON JUNKIN GALLOWAY (from Wigtown - Kirkudbright by tradition, but no trace - so perhaps either hiding out because they were Covenanters - or on their way. Probaby the KENDALLs and McCORKLEs came directly to US ..and no clue as to ALEXANDER, FLEMING and WILSON And along with a salute to my Scot-Irish Presbyterian's - I should mention that their line in the US united with some CO CORK IRISH who settled in the " Cromwell" Era: -- Methodists named WOLFE LEVIS WARNER SWANTON & VICKERY My Shamrocks come with an Orange ribbon! Happy St Patrrick's Day! Barbara Rice

This is a timely Subject !! At least one of my early ancestors siblings was born in Ireland probably because of the family business. Do you have an Irish Link in your family ?? Happy St. Patrick's Day everyone !! Wayne

Hi there, Do be wary of the spellings on MI's, as they can throw you off. The one in question here says William died at Telchuano. The place is spelt Telcahuano. I could not find a ship named "Obion" on the ships registers, however there was a ship "Oberon" which sailed from Valparaiso to Sydney in the 1850's. This ship may have called in to Telcahuano, then Valparaiso. Regards. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert & Avril Dalby" <bodal@aapt.net.au> To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 12:33 PM Subject: [WIG LIST] loss of the Orion > Thank you Diane for finding the web page of the Old Mersey Times which describes the sinking of a ship called 'Orion'. > > Someone else may have put a query out on the 'Orion', but I do have an MI in the Wigtown Kirkyard of a William McTaggart who was on the ship OBION', - he died at Telchuano, South America, January 20th 1829 aged 29 years. > > My daughter who is on another list put out a query on 'Obion', and a reply came back saying there was no exact match for this vessel, but there was a Schooner 'OBERON' that was in Valperiso in 1828. I still have to follow this up in Chile. > > The website you gave is an excellent resource. > > Avril > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Dear List, here is an MI from Portpatrick Old Graveyard MI DGFHS Booklet. I have the Wigtown Free Press account which also contains interesting correspondence which I can post if there is sufficient interest. No 28 (part 2) "Sacred to the memory of Robert HASLAM yeoman of Bolton-le-Moor, Lancashire who was unfortunately drowned on his passage from Liverpool to Glasgow by the striking of the Steam Packet ORION on the sunken rocks called The BUSHES near this port on the 18th June 1850 aged 35 years. He was a man of strict probity and sterling honesty affable and good-natured, a good citizen and a worthy brother, and one who wished to leave the world a better place than he found it. He lived repected and died lamented. This stone is erected by his brother Peter HASLAM to perpetuate his memory. Also William LATHAM aged 4(8) year from the same place who lost his life in the aforesaid dreadful catastrophe. His genius and inflexible integrity procured for him the approbation and affection of all who knew him. He has left a wife and four children to deplore his unhappy fate." Diana

Have misplaced a request page and don't have much time to go looking for it ! Leave after a few hours of sleep to help move a friend's son to a new apartment in Dallas, TX a 5 hour drive from here. So I won't have to begin a search again, maybe the requester will see this posted here : 1835 births, Stoneykirk : Robert MUIR and Mary McGRATTAN in Auchleach had a son named Alexander born 29 March baptized 10 April. 1821 births, Stoneykirk : Robert MUIR and Mary McGRATTAN in Kirkmabreck had a son named John born 18 MAy baptized [blank]. The 1821 entry was immediately after the 1835 one so I surmise John's 1821 birth was entered in 1835 with Alexander's but they'd forgotten the baptism date. MegG in OK ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dear Listers > Can anyone assist with this request. > I would like to view a death notice which appeared in the above newspaper > on 20th March 1890 for a Shepherd , James Meikle who I believe died at > Northumberland. Also the death notice for a Janet McMurray in the 1897 > edition of 12 August. > Can anyone suggest where these newspaper are to be seen. > > Thank you. > Gilbert Meikle

Hi Anita You should be able to find the marriage for James and Amelia on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk Will cost 6Pounds for 30 credits. You should be able to get a printable certificatefor them for 6 of those credits. The marriage certificate will show the names of the bride and groom's parents and the maiden name of both mothers. What a gift. Happy Hunting Ella Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "anita mcneil" <anita.mcneil@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 10:07 AM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Help wanted for Davies > 1881 and 1891 census images sent off list > > Anita > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Olive McDonald" <ojmcdon@telus.net> > To: <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:25 PM > Subject: [WIG LIST] Help wanted for Davies > > >> Hello Listers. I need to be pointed in the right direction to help me to >> learn about my grandparents, James and Amelia Eleanora Davies. >> All that I have is the address that my father listed as next of kin in >> his >> war records. >> >> Dated 1916, James Davies lived first at : >> 125 Sycamore St. Ashington, Northumberland. >> This is pencilled out and the new address is: >> 20 North Row, West Slickman, Chopington, Northumberland. >> >> Although not mentioned, I believe my grandmother was alive at this time. >> The only relative with whom I keep in touch can't tell me a thing, and I >> have tried for years to find out about my grandparents who were married >> in >> Urr Parish in 1873; James from Stoneykirk and Amelia from Kelton Mains, >> Kirkcudbrightshire. Where do I go from here? >> >> Regards from rainwashed British Columbia. >> Olive. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: >> 14/03/2007 15:38 >> >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you Diane for finding the web page of the Old Mersey Times which describes the sinking of a ship called 'Orion'. Someone else may have put a query out on the 'Orion', but I do have an MI in the Wigtown Kirkyard of a William McTaggart who was on the ship 'OBION', - he died at Telchuano, South America, January 20th 1829 aged 29 years. My daughter who is on another list put out a query on 'Obion', and a reply came back saying there was no exact match for this vessel, but there was a Schooner 'OBERON' that was in Valperiso in 1828. I still have to follow this up in Chile. The website you gave is an excellent resource. Avril

Hi all, The below story of the Orion reminded me about another story that I have in the Whithorn New cemetery listings. This is why it is so much nicer to have transcribed copies a few of Jock Birchman's original kirkyard listings. He was a very interesting man who I met in person once on my honeymoon in 1982 and I was fortunate enough to get to know him a wee bit better through the mail. He loved his hobby and it shows in what he did and his side notes that I have. Thanks to him (and my wife's typing) I have had the pleasure of helping some you you with particular MI lookups. The only thing I have done is remove the name of 1 person who might still be living in his story. Cheers Randy 22 Lettering to the South In memory of Captain Donald McNicol and Crew of Steamer "Jasper" of Glasgow who were drowned through Wreck of Steamer on 12th December 1888 Erected by Owners of "Jasper" Note: The story of the Jasper may be of interest. I thought, when recording this stone, that the crew must have been local men, but McNicol was not a local name. This intrigued me, so I asked around the old folks in the district. Strangely enough, nobody could remember anything about the Jasper. I checked the 1888 editions of the Galloway Gazette, nothing, so I thought, I would just record the stone as it was. Now here is the fascinating story of researching old items. Seven months had passed and there was no information about this shipwreck and the reason why the tombstone was erected in Whithorn Kirkyard. Then a cousin of mine died in Ayr, and his remains were brought Whithorn for burial. I went along to the funeral and there was a nephew of his there, he was a Bank Manager in Kilmacolm. He was interested in his forebears, so I showed him around his ancestors tombstones and in passing, showed him the stone on the "Jasper" and remarked that it was the only tombstone I could not get any information about. He must have been interested, for he made enquiries about the Jasper from the shipping people in Glasgow and came up with the following information and phoned me. This would be some 3 weeks after the funeral. 1. Jasper, launched in 1865 - J.R. Swain, builder-Steam, made of iron 80 tons gross -Owners: - William Roberts & Co., Glasgow. 2. Jasper-Barquentine -3 masted schooner-launched in 1867 - Builders J.W. Duncan-Owner: William Roberts & Co. Glasgow - Owner in 1861 McArthur and Turner in 1866. 3. Jasper-Iron steamship -279 tons gross-tonnage 158 tons-launched 1880 - Builders T.B. Seat & Co - Owners: - William Roberts & Co, Glasgow. It could not be 1 and 2, but could be No 3 but did not seem correct. Then another two weeks passed, then he phoned me to say that a customer had come into the Bank and he had casually remarked about the Jasper. She was evidently working in the Watt Museum in Greenock and was collating records, which previously had not been recorded, and she supplied the article in the Greenock Telegraph & Advertiser of 18th December 1888 p.2 - col. 5 which was as follows Loss of Clyde Steamer "Jasper" - Crew of Twelve drowned News has reached Ayr that the steamship "Jasper" from Workington to Glasgow, has foundered off the Wigtown coast. Captain McNicol and eleven men forming the crew were drowned. Mr. Robertson, Glasgow, owner of the steamer has now, no doubt that the vessel, which was seen to founder off the Wigtown coast on Thursday last (13th) was his steamer "Jasper" and he is inclined to believe that the crew have perished with the vessel. According to the information that has been received, the "Jasper" had struck on the rocks during the fog, her rudder and propellor being torn off and still lying on the rocks. The vessel in her helpless condition had drifted out from the shore for nearly a mile and then sunk in about seven fathoms of water. The "Jasper" was an iron screw steamer of 188 tons Nett and 287 gross register and was one of Mr. Robertson's "Gem" line of coasters. She was built eight years ago by Messrs T.B. Seath & Co. Vessel and cargo are valued at about £8000 and the loss will largely fall on Glasgow underwriters. This was indeed a breakthrough. It was now established that the crew must have been from Glasgow, but then the question of the 12 bodies, they could not all have been buried in the small plot where the tombstone is and in 1888, it would not have been possible to take dead bodies to Glasgow, especially having been in the sea. Then three weeks later, Captain XXXXX from Port William, phoned me to say that he had some more information about the "Jasper". Willie McCulloch from the Isle of Whithorn, aged 91 when he died, had recalled his father telling him about the "Jasper". It was wrecked at Dinnans Head on the Dinnans coast, the only body to be washed ashore, was the body of Capt McNicol, minus his head, and he was buried where the stone is. Nothing was ever heard of the eleven members of the crew or of their bodies. The only survivor of the ship was the ship's dog, a wee terrier, which swam ashore and exhausted, found its way to the farm of the Dinnans, and the McGowans, who had been in the farm for generations, took it in and cared for it, it lived for a number of years and was a great favourite with everybody. Evidently the sunken Jasper was bought for salvage by a Mr. McCulloch from Glasgow, who managed to salvage the cargo and fittings, of iron rails cargo. He had divers go down, but the salvage ship was also wrecked and he went bankrupt on the deal. The wreck was first discovered by the local postman on foot, in these days all mail was delivered by postmen walking. He had given the letters to the Dinnans farm and was walking along the cliff top, en route for Portyerrock, when he saw the masts sticking up out of the water and reported the wreck. The rudder and propeller was visible at low tide for a number of years, then I suppose, it just rusted away. The wreck can evidently still be seen in the clear water, it was buoyed recently by amateur skindivers, who fish around it for conger eel and other fish. And so, out of nothing, the story of the "Jasper" emerged, it was really fascinating. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert & Avril Dalby" <bodal@aapt.net.au> To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:33 PM Subject: [WIG LIST] loss of the Orion > Thank you Diane for finding the web page of the Old Mersey Times which > describes the sinking of a ship called 'Orion'. > > Someone else may have put a query out on the 'Orion', but I do have an MI > in the Wigtown Kirkyard of a William McTaggart who was on the ship > 'OBION', - he died at Telchuano, South America, January 20th 1829 aged 29 > years. > > My daughter who is on another list put out a query on 'Obion', and a reply > came back saying there was no exact match for this vessel, but there was a > Schooner 'OBERON' that was in Valperiso in 1828. I still have to follow > this up in Chile. > > The website you gave is an excellent resource. > > Avril > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

1881 and 1891 census images sent off list Anita ----- Original Message ----- From: "Olive McDonald" <ojmcdon@telus.net> To: <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 9:25 PM Subject: [WIG LIST] Help wanted for Davies > Hello Listers. I need to be pointed in the right direction to help me to > learn about my grandparents, James and Amelia Eleanora Davies. > All that I have is the address that my father listed as next of kin in his > war records. > > Dated 1916, James Davies lived first at : > 125 Sycamore St. Ashington, Northumberland. > This is pencilled out and the new address is: > 20 North Row, West Slickman, Chopington, Northumberland. > > Although not mentioned, I believe my grandmother was alive at this time. > The only relative with whom I keep in touch can't tell me a thing, and I > have tried for years to find out about my grandparents who were married in > Urr Parish in 1873; James from Stoneykirk and Amelia from Kelton Mains, > Kirkcudbrightshire. Where do I go from here? > > Regards from rainwashed British Columbia. > Olive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/722 - Release Date: > 14/03/2007 15:38 > >

Thanks to the wonderful people on this list I have received more information in a few hours than I have found by myself in more than sixty years of searching. My folks sure had itchy feet! They seem to have lived in five different places over the course of a few years. No wonder I couldn't find them. One surprise is that my grandmother seems to have died before 1901. When I find the date of her death I can finally put her to rest. Many thanks to Meg, Anita, Nancy and Malcolm for helping me to solve a mystery. Now I will have a story when I put my many snippets into the right places before my memory fades. Oh what a happy day! >From Olive in sunny Steveston. BC

Hello Listers. I need to be pointed in the right direction to help me to learn about my grandparents, James and Amelia Eleanora Davies. All that I have is the address that my father listed as next of kin in his war records. Dated 1916, James Davies lived first at : 125 Sycamore St. Ashington, Northumberland. This is pencilled out and the new address is: 20 North Row, West Slickman, Chopington, Northumberland. Although not mentioned, I believe my grandmother was alive at this time. The only relative with whom I keep in touch can't tell me a thing, and I have tried for years to find out about my grandparents who were married in Urr Parish in 1873; James from Stoneykirk and Amelia from Kelton Mains, Kirkcudbrightshire. Where do I go from here? Regards from rainwashed British Columbia. Olive.

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Hello, Am I correct in recalling that someone on this list had an M.I. that mentioned a ship called the Orion? I found this page on the Old Mersey Times which describes the sinking of a ship called Orion which ran from Liverpool to Glasgow. It went down near Portpatrick and some of the fatalities are buried there. It also contains a link to passenger names and M.I.'s in Portpatrick. http://www.old-merseytimes.co.uk/ORION2.html Diane _________________________________________________________________ Solve the Conspiracy and win fantastic prizes. http://www.theconspiracygame.co.uk/

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>>SATTERTHWAITE, Joseph - M1/6/1855 - At Melbourne, Australia, on the 1st June last, by the Rev. Dr Cairns, Mr Joseph Satterthwaite, of Point Nepean, to Jane M'Lean, youngest daughter of the late Mr Robert Middleton, Kirkland, Leswalt.<< Surname: SATTERTHWAITE Given Names: Joseph Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: MIDDLETON Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane Mclean Age: Sex: F Birth Place: Death Place: Year: 1855 Reg Number: 1681 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: SATTERTHWAITE Given Names: Robert Thomas Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Joseph Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane Mclean MIDDLETON Age: Sex: Birth Place: QCLIFF Death Place: Year: 1856 Reg Number: 4909 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: SATTERTHWAITE Given Names: Emma Bryan Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Joseph Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane Mclean MIDDLETON Age: Sex: Birth Place: QCLIFF Death Place: Year: 1857 Reg Number: 11047 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: SATTERTHWAITE Given Names: James Middleton Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Jos Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane Mclean MIDDLETON Age: Sex: Birth Place: QCLIFF Death Place: Year: 1859 Reg Number: 19984 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: SATTERTHWAITE Given Names: Joseph Evill Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: Joseph Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jane MCLEAN Age: Sex: Birth Place: STLE Death Place: Year: 1862 Reg Number: 5313 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Regards Jenny

>>KERR, Female - B29/5/1855 - On the 29th of May, at her residence, Albert Street, Mrs Kerr, wife of William Kerr, Esq., Town Clerk of Melbourne, of a daughter.<< Surname: KERR Given Names: Caroline Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Caroline Age: Sex: Birth Place: MELB Death Place: Year: 1847 Reg Number: 8270 Denomination: PRESBYTERIAN Parish: MELBOURNE & GEELONG Fiche: 158 Surname: KERR Given Names: Annie Mary Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Caroline Amelia MCCANDLISH Age: Sex: Birth Place: MELB Death Place: Year: 1855 Reg Number: 6216 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: Surname: KERR Given Names: Wilhelmina Event: B Spouse Surname/Father: William Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Carol Amelia MCCANDLISH Age: Sex: Birth Place: ST KILDA Death Place: Year: 1857 Reg Number: 5417 Denomination: Parish: Fiche: REgards Jenny