Well said, I think the Irish invented the brick wall too. I think they built them a lot larger than the average too, by the sounds of it. There are a good many people complaining about how hard their Irish ancestors are to find, and I don't blame them. I would even go as far as saying it would probably be easier to kiss the Blarney Stone. Luck o' the Irish to yer. Kaaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford MacKeand" <jcbmck@UDel.Edu> To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:06 PM Subject: [WIG LIST] Irish Connections and St. Patrick > Nobody has yet mentioned Ireland in connection with brick walls, but I'd > come to the conclusion that that is where they all come from!!! Or maybe > they were invented there? I have a few, both connections and walls, but > then my Irish are Ayrshire and not Wigtown related. > I wonder whether it will provoke as many listings when (and if) I remember > to suggest that we think of our English connections on St. George's Day?!! > > Crawford. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

> > In respnse to Crawford's query about celebrating St. George's Day. I'm such > a mix--my ancestors were from Scotland, Ireland, Germany, Denmark, yes, > England. I'm an equal opportunity holiday celebrator. I do like that ecumenical approach! But I don't think I'll be betting good money on the response rate for April 23rd! <grin> > Erin Go Braugh! Not to forget the old tag line either -- St. George for England, St. Pancras for Scotland. Crawford.

> saying was that my mother's family, Diamond, came across from Ireland in a > cattle boat.At the time I thought it was a family joke, however as I've looked It was one of the more economical ways. A fair bit cheaper than the packet, though you'd no idea how long either was going to take. > To be honest I think our forebears nipped back and forward across the Sheuch > as the political climate changed, How about the economic climate too! I'll bet eating was more important to most ordinary folk -- and mine were certainly in that category. Crawford.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: willaimjohnstone Surnames: FISHER Classification: biography Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/377.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I came across a message on Wigtownshire rootweb list from 2000 with regards to Fisher from Craignarget, Glenluce, Scotland. I am currently doing some research for a friend in Manitoba who can trace their decendants back to Ivie Fisher and Margaret Campbell and Ivie Fisher and Jane Campbell. Also connection are William Fisher and Jane Sxcott Campbell and David Fisher who married Catherine McMeeking Clark. Are you descendant from Grace Fisher. Firstly as your email was so long ago just want to check you are still on line at this address Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Thanks, Betty. My 6g-grandfather was a MAXWELL who brought his family from Ireland to the American colony of Virginia in 1740 -- he surely contributed to the invention of the Irish brickwall :-( I never talk about him on the Wig list 'cause I can't find him in Ireland, much less in D&G! Any male MAXWELLs out there? We sure could use your DNA: http://members.aol.com/dnamaxwell/myhomepage/index.html. (My line is in clan 004: http://hometown.aol.com/dnamaxwell/myhomepage/ancest30.htm.) Mary Richardson At 08:45 AM 3/17/2007, Betty Telford wrote: >This Maxwell web site is a good summary of the movement. >www.maxwellsociety.com/History/Ireland.htm...

Hi Crawford, When IS St. George's Day? Joyce ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford MacKeand" <jcbmck@UDel.Edu> To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 7:06 AM Subject: [WIG LIST] Irish Connections and St. Patrick > Nobody has yet mentioned Ireland in connection with brick walls, but I'd > come to the conclusion that that is where they all come from!!! Or maybe > they were invented there? I have a few, both connections and walls, but > then my Irish are Ayrshire and not Wigtown related. > > I wonder whether it will provoke as many listings when (and if) I remember > to suggest that we think of our English connections on St. George's Day?!! > > Crawford.

I have a couple huge brick walls with ancestors that I thought were Scots, but may turn out to be transplanted Irish. In respnse to Crawford's query about celebrating St. George's Day. I'm such a mix--my ancestors were from Scotland, Ireland, Germany, Denmark, yes, England. I'm an equal opportunity holiday celebrator. Erin Go Braugh! Diann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford MacKeand" <jcbmck@UDel.Edu> To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 9:06 AM Subject: [WIG LIST] Irish Connections and St. Patrick > Nobody has yet mentioned Ireland in connection with brick walls, but I'd > come to the conclusion that that is where they all come from!!! Or maybe > they were invented there? I have a few, both connections and walls, but > then my Irish are Ayrshire and not Wigtown related. > > I wonder whether it will provoke as many listings when (and if) I remember > to suggest that we think of our English connections on St. George's Day?!! > > Crawford. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/718 - Release Date: 3/11/2007 > 9:27 AM > >

My Irish moved to Leswalt from County Down. Robert Watt & Elizabeth Morgan. Also Archibaldf McKay, mother Mary, sibs Daniel & Mary also. They came from Antrim I believe in the early 40's or so. Happy St. Paddy's Day! Diane Beaubien

Yes - my Houston family came from Ireland.Andrew Houston and wife Margaret Dougan arrived in Stoneykirk in about 1805 from either County Down or Antrim.( It is hard to discover which!!)His father Andrew Houston was a ploughman in Ireland. Happy St Patrick's Day etc Annette Rose

The McCulloch/MacCulloch - The ancient Clan McCulloch is one of the oldest Scottish Clans and are mentioned as being the leading Clan in Myretown (now Monreith) and other lands in Wigtonshire in 743. Many McCullochs were transported to Ireland in 1603 where they formed part of the Plantation of Ulster. We have been unable to learn the parents of my gr.gr.gr. grandfather David McCulloch who married Elizabeth Anderson in the Parish of Stoneykirk on 30th November 1826. Here we find an Irish Anderson connection - From the IGI, we find a daughter born August 1796 Port o' Spittal to John Anderson and Janet Morrow. We know that this is the birtdate of our gr.gr.gr.gr. grandmother Elizabeth Anderson McCulloch. We checked back on the Parish records and find the notation that John Anderson and Janet Morrow were married at Donaghadee, Ireland on 28 November 1795 by Alexander Goudy and again in Stoneykirk Parish, Wigtownshire, Scotland on 20th December 1795 by Rev. Henry Blair. We do know that there were Morrow families in County Down. Following the Scottish naming pattern, Elizabeth should name her first daughter after her mother and she is named Janet. We do not have Janet with a son John, in our records, but there is a child by name of John age 10 in death records who died 31 December 1846 in this same parish that would fit right in the space where there is no birth in our records, so there is a possibility that this child may be ours, but if this is so, he was not on 1841 census. The Urquart Census of Portpatrick in 1832 David McCulloch is 31 and a farmer, Elizabeth is 30, Janet is 5, Mary is 3 and Margaret is 1. Both David and Elizabeth could read and they had lived in the Parish for 6 years. In 1841 Parish of Port Patrick, District No. 5, Farm of Knockwase, Crawloch and G.N. Knockglass taken the night of 6th of June 1841 we find:- David McCulloch 35 farmer Elizabeth - wife age 35 Janet - dau. age 13 Mary - dau age 11 Margaret - dau. age 9 James - son age 7 David - son age 3 Elizabeth- dau age 1 In 1851 Parish of Port Patrick, High Tibbert Elizabeth Anderson Head 50 widow Margaret McCulloch - dau. 17 - unable to work David son 13 scolar (sic) Robert son 8 scolar (sic) All are llsted as being born in the County In 1851 Parish of Inch, Bridgebank Jannet McCulloch age 22 servant unmarried born Wigtownshire, Port Patrick working at farm of Wm. Wyllie age 75 farmer, 110 acres In 1851 Parish of Leswalt, Newfield, Stranraer Mary McCulloch age 20 servant, unmarried born Wigtownshire, Port Patrick Working at house of Wm. Kipack In 1851 Parish of Inch, Culroach James McCulloch servant unmarried age 16 ag. laborer born Wigtownshire, Port Patrick Working at farm of Alexander Wylie 95 acres In 1851 Parish of Port Patrick, Crallach Farm Elizabeth McCulloch servant age 11 In May 1855 James married Margaret McGill and all of this family were in Ontario Canada by 1856. Margaret McGill was born 16th May 1834 to James McGill and Mary McQuaker of Kilhorn. Noted on census there is a James McGill who was born in Ireland, so possibly another connection with Ireland. Morna Scaarrow Hoskins

Hello all: My James Galloway b Co Down Ire, who married Elizabeth Kniblo b Wigtownshire, emigrated from Glasgow with kiddies, all born Wigtownshire, to Adelaide Twp Middlesex Co Ontario Canada in 1832. Cheers, Lynne

Just as food for thought, have any of you considered that Scotia - from whence comes Scot and Scotland - is the old word for Ireland? Jack Butler -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JParker594@aol.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:45 AM To: sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [WIG LIST] Irish in your family ?? Growing up in Newton Stewart in the late '40,s and '50,s my dad's favourite saying was that my mother's family, Diamond, came across from Ireland in a cattle boat.At the time I thought it was a family joke, however as I've looked into the family tree, it appears he was right. All the Diamonds appeared to have come from Derry originally. it appears his own side of the family also had lots of irish immigrants. To be honest I think our forebears nipped back and forward across the Sheuch as the political climate changed, Jim ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This Maxwell web site is a good summary of the movement. www.maxwellsociety.com/History/Ireland.htm It says by 1640 there were over 100,000 thousand Scots in Ireland. Betty ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - with free PC-PC calling and photo sharing. http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com

Growing up in Newton Stewart in the late '40,s and '50,s my dad's favourite saying was that my mother's family, Diamond, came across from Ireland in a cattle boat.At the time I thought it was a family joke, however as I've looked into the family tree, it appears he was right. All the Diamonds appeared to have come from Derry originally. it appears his own side of the family also had lots of irish immigrants. To be honest I think our forebears nipped back and forward across the Sheuch as the political climate changed, Jim

Happy St. Patrick's Day to you all. I understand it's a bigger holiday here in the U.S. than in Ireland. Any excuse to drink beer.... Our Scot SCOTT family at S. Drummoddie Farm, Newton Stewart/Glasserton area, also came from Ireland in 1841. I have not yet attempted to find them in Ireland and really have no idea of where to begin. I have heard that Irish records are much less complete than Scottish ones. Yet another country to factor into the gene pool.... Lynn T. SCOTT in Florida, USA -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of sct-wigtownshire-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 10:14 AM To: sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Subject: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 2, Issue 107 Today's Topics: 1. Re: Irish in your family (William Kelly) 2. Irish connections (Mary Forsyth) 3. Re: Irish in your family (jackvbutler@comcast.net) 4. Irish connections - McGuigan, Docherty, McKie, ?O'Neil, Rylands (LindaInverness@aol.com) 5. Scots to Ireland (betty TELFORD) 6. Irish Connections and St. Patrick (Crawford MacKeand) 7. Re: Irish Connections and St. Patrick (The Mitchell Mob) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 07:37:24 -0000 From: "William Kelly" <william.kelly7@tesco.net> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Irish in your family To: <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <008d01c76867$1c944df0$5d610050@D9LTT81J> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Dear List, All of my Wigtown family were Irish. There seems to have been a strong historical connection perhaps from Wigtown's promenance as a seaport with trade linking Ireland, Isle of Man and Liverpool. My family seemed to arrive around the time of the famine from Down and Armagh. The names are a givaway too - Kelly, McCluskey, Sheridan and Shevlin among them. The Kellys seemed to stop for a generation before moving on to America but descendants of the McCluskeys and Shevlin were still around as recently as 1980. I wonder if any of the local listees knew a relative called Mary Celia McCluskey (or possibly Ertel) or Margaret Herbert who was a schoolteacher in the Wigtown area? Happy St. Patrick's day to all. Bill Kelly ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 09:13:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Mary Forsyth <mar_for2003@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [WIG LIST] Irish connections To: Sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20070317091316.11432.qmail@web86913.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Hi, My Stewarts seem to have originated in Co. Down, Ireland. They came over to the Glasserton/Mochrum area. I seem to have hit a blank wall though on the Irish side. Mary --------------------------------- Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:34:51 -0500 From: <jackvbutler@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Irish in your family To: <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <200703171235.l2HCZ2at013989@mail.rootsweb.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" It may not apply to the Kellys, but there is another historical connection between the area and Ireland - James the 6th of Scotland/1st of Great Britain solved, or at least improved, part of his Borders troubles by banishing substantial numbers of what he called "those dour Scots" from the Dumfries and Kirkudbright areas and implanting them into the Ulster area of Northern Ireland. There was substantial movement back and forth after that. Jack Butler -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of William Kelly Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 2:37 AM To: Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Irish in your family Dear List, All of my Wigtown family were Irish. There seems to have been a strong historical connection perhaps from Wigtown's promenance as a seaport with trade linking Ireland, Isle of Man and Liverpool. My family seemed to arrive around the time of the famine from Down and Armagh. The names are a givaway too - Kelly, McCluskey, Sheridan and Shevlin among them. The Kellys seemed to stop for a generation before moving on to America but descendants of the McCluskeys and Shevlin were still around as recently as 1980. I wonder if any of the local listees knew a relative called Mary Celia McCluskey (or possibly Ertel) or Margaret Herbert who was a schoolteacher in the Wigtown area? Happy St. Patrick's day to all. Bill Kelly ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 08:36:09 EDT From: LindaInverness@aol.com Subject: [WIG LIST] Irish connections - McGuigan, Docherty, McKie, ?O'Neil, Rylands To: sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <d2d.84b801f.332d3ab9@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Happy St Patrick's Day! I, too, have Irish connections. My ancestors all settled in Wigtownshire (Newton Stewart) but all seem to have made their way from Ireland. Francis McKie was born in Co Monaghan, Ireland and married Mary McKie (don't know where her family originated yet!). Married in Penninghame Parish 1815. Michael and Catherine McGuigan (Catherine's maiden name was either Meiklehone or Coyle - I've found both in different records) came from Maghera District, Co Derry, Ireland. They made their home in Penninghame, Newton Stewart. Their son, Andrew (my ggg grandfather) was also born in Ireland around 1824. He married Jane (Jean) McKie. Their son, also Andrew, married Alice Rylands (born Dublin, Ireland, in 1849). Michael Doherty (Docherty/Daugherty) was born in Co Derry (or possibly Co Down, Ireland - can't quite make out which one from the census entry for 1861) married Margaret O'Neil from Balmaghie, Kirkcudbrightshire. Her parents were Michael O'Neil and Kate Brodick (don't know where they're from yet!) Michael and Margaret lived for a while in Dumfries, where they married, and eventually settled in Newton Stewart. I haven't attempted to tracing my Irish ancestors yet. My next project I think!!!! Linda (Lincoln, England) ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:45:21 +0000 (GMT) From: betty TELFORD <telfordbm@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [WIG LIST] Scots to Ireland To: sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com Cc: telford-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <20070317124521.4120.qmail@web86915.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 This Maxwell web site is a good summary of the movement. www.maxwellsociety.com/History/Ireland.htm It says by 1640 there were over 100,000 thousand Scots in Ireland. Betty ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Messenger - with free PC-PC calling and photo sharing. http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 10:06:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Crawford MacKeand <jcbmck@UDel.Edu> Subject: [WIG LIST] Irish Connections and St. Patrick To: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.60L.0703170954020.23043@copland.udel.edu> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Nobody has yet mentioned Ireland in connection with brick walls, but I'd come to the conclusion that that is where they all come from!!! Or maybe they were invented there? I have a few, both connections and walls, but then my Irish are Ayrshire and not Wigtown related. I wonder whether it will provoke as many listings when (and if) I remember to suggest that we think of our English connections on St. George's Day?!! Crawford. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2007 23:13:52 +0900 From: "The Mitchell Mob" <bradybunch13@aapt.net.au> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Irish Connections and St. Patrick To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <000501c7689e$7e2899e0$0201010a@MINE> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Well said, I think the Irish invented the brick wall too. I think they built them a lot larger than the average too, by the sounds of it. There are a good many people complaining about how hard their Irish ancestors are to find, and I don't blame them. I would even go as far as saying it would probably be easier to kiss the Blarney Stone. Luck o' the Irish to yer. Kaaron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Crawford MacKeand" <jcbmck@UDel.Edu> To: <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 11:06 PM Subject: [WIG LIST] Irish Connections and St. Patrick > Nobody has yet mentioned Ireland in connection with brick walls, but I'd > come to the conclusion that that is where they all come from!!! Or maybe > they were invented there? I have a few, both connections and walls, but > then my Irish are Ayrshire and not Wigtown related. > I wonder whether it will provoke as many listings when (and if) I remember > to suggest that we think of our English connections on St. George's Day?!! > > Crawford. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------ To contact the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator, send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE mailing list, send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. 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Another Galloway Irish saga. My g.grandfather William Boyd, from Drumneil, Mochrum, was born in Ireland, much to the surprise of his many Canadian descendants who thought they were died in the wool Scots. My g.grandpa Davies was also from Ireland. G.grandpa Riddick was most likely from Kircubbin in County Down. Susan Scott, my g.grandma, was also from Ireland. Sure and begorrah, it's in us all! I would dance a jig on their behalf if my auld bones would let me. Happy St. Patrick's Day to all. Olive.

Happy St. Patrick's Day. Don't forget if you do have an Co. Down Brickwall you can post the information on the Rootsweb IGP Co. Down page. See directions below. Good luck, Fiona. IGP Co. Down Coordinator. =================== >> Dear Friends, >> I have initiated a BRICK WALL page for the IGP County Down website. >> http://www.rootsweb.com/~nirdow2/brickwall.htm >> This will be for information requests for that elusive ancestor. If >> you would like to add your missing information to the page please >> send me an email with the subject: BRICKWALL and include your >> request for information in the text. >> Your request will be added verbatim. Please also include a contact >> email address. >> Good luck with your research, >> Fiona.

Nobody has yet mentioned Ireland in connection with brick walls, but I'd come to the conclusion that that is where they all come from!!! Or maybe they were invented there? I have a few, both connections and walls, but then my Irish are Ayrshire and not Wigtown related. I wonder whether it will provoke as many listings when (and if) I remember to suggest that we think of our English connections on St. George's Day?!! Crawford.

Hi, My Stewarts seem to have originated in Co. Down, Ireland. They came over to the Glasserton/Mochrum area. I seem to have hit a blank wall though on the Irish side. Mary --------------------------------- Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail.

Happy St Patrick's Day! I, too, have Irish connections. My ancestors all settled in Wigtownshire (Newton Stewart) but all seem to have made their way from Ireland. Francis McKie was born in Co Monaghan, Ireland and married Mary McKie (don't know where her family originated yet!). Married in Penninghame Parish 1815. Michael and Catherine McGuigan (Catherine's maiden name was either Meiklehone or Coyle - I've found both in different records) came from Maghera District, Co Derry, Ireland. They made their home in Penninghame, Newton Stewart. Their son, Andrew (my ggg grandfather) was also born in Ireland around 1824. He married Jane (Jean) McKie. Their son, also Andrew, married Alice Rylands (born Dublin, Ireland, in 1849). Michael Doherty (Docherty/Daugherty) was born in Co Derry (or possibly Co Down, Ireland - can't quite make out which one from the census entry for 1861) married Margaret O'Neil from Balmaghie, Kirkcudbrightshire. Her parents were Michael O'Neil and Kate Brodick (don't know where they're from yet!) Michael and Margaret lived for a while in Dumfries, where they married, and eventually settled in Newton Stewart. I haven't attempted to tracing my Irish ancestors yet. My next project I think!!!! Linda (Lincoln, England)