This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: betty telford Surnames: Tyrrell/Tirrell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/224.330.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: That message was interesting to me. My son who was down from Aberdeenshire visiting last week asked me if I had a book on the Lewis & Hart expedition - I did not but it is quite famous and I do have the Oregon Plate which depicts Merriwether Lewis and William Clark and details their amazing expedition of 1804-1806. Strange to see the surnames Merriwether and Lewis come up again in the message about Wm.Douglass and not only that, in the same family the name Tyrrell which I research, being the surname of one of my ancestors. Betty Telford, Hereford UK (member of Tyrrell FHS) Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The name Lycurgus appears in my Classical dictionary of names appearing in the works of ancient writers, one was a Greek King who banished Bacchus, but there are many examples of others in there and googling for the name brings up many in America, some in Germany, both Lycurgus and Lucurgus as surname and Christian name though it is not in my Oxford dictionary of Christian names. (You learn something every day!) Betty ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/mail/winter07.html

----- Original Message ----- From: <billmellsworth@comcast.net> To: "Wigtownshire" <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 1:45 AM Subject: [WIG LIST] strange name One person in my husbands family had the middle name of LYULPH, which apparently also means wolf. Perhaps there was a fashion at that time. It was completely out of context with any other name in the family. Diana > Hi, > > I've been trying to trace the family of my gg grandfather Andrew > William > Mckie. I believe he came from Whithorn. I haven't had much luck proving it > so I'm grasping at all straws. > > Apparently he named his first son Sucurgis or Lucurgis or something > like > that. Is anyone familiar with this name? Without success I have searched > all > over the US 1850 census looking for him. He is no where to be found before > 1860. Perhaps I am looking for the wrong name. I have been unable to > locate > his parents in 1850 either. > > Bill in Virginia > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: swresearch Surnames: Douglas, Douglass, McLeand, Hunter Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/224.330.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: "THIS IS TO CERTIFY that the "Parish Register of Goochland Parish, begun Anno 1756 by William Douglass, Minister" and contained in a large manuscript volume, bound in parchment, is my own property, having descended to me from the author, as follows: First: William Douglass' heir was his only child, Peggy Douglass, who married Nicholas Merriwether, by whom there were six children, of whom, Elizabeth Merriwether was the sixth, and my own father's mother. Nicholas Merriwether died Dec. 19th 1772, and his widow married Chiles Tyrril Feb. 20, 1783. On Sept. 8 1784 they had a son, born to them, James Hunter Tyrril (or Terell) who was the 7th child of Peggy Douglass, inherited this manuscript of his grandfather, and left it to his adopted son and heir James Hunter Minor, whose only daughter I married, and whose widow, Mary W. Minor, now of Charlottesville, VA, who was also his heir, gave the said manuscript to me, Robert W. Lewis. The Rev. William Douglass was grandfather to my grandmother, Elizabeth Lewis, of Locust Grove, Charlottesville, VA. I inherited his library of several hundred volumes. Bishop Meade used this manuscript in composing his "Old Churches & Families of Virginia". I also own "The History of the House of Douglas" autograph copy of the Rev. Wm. Douglas, brought over from Scotland in 1750, showing him to be a lineal descendant of the Ducal House of Douglas (769 A.D. - 1490 A.D.). Signed by me, ROBERT W. LEWIS " Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: swresearch Surnames: Douglass, McLeand, Hunter Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/224.330.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: re: John McKeand, allegedly of Castle Douglas area, came to America and lived in Richmond, VA c1790. Another emigrant from Wigtownshire to VA was Rev. William Douglass, b. 4 Aug 1708 Mosses of Cree, near Wigton, Penningham Parish, Wigtownshire, Scotland (son of William Douglass b. 1668 & Grieshelda McLeand b.1670) d. 7 Feb 1798 in "Ducking Hole", Louisa Co., Virginia m. 27 Nov 1735 Crawfordbourg Manse, Glencairn Parish, Nithsdale Shire, Scotland to Nicholas Hunter, b. Sep 1715 Glencairn Parish, Nithsdale Shire, Scotland Dau, Margaret Douglass, b. 2 Sep 1737 Glencairn Par, Scot, (?) or Apr 1737 St. James Parish, Louisa Co, VA ? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello everyone again! Thanks to everyone who have so rapidly responded to me already, and been so generous with advice - the WIG List really is an excellent and noticeably friendly group. I really appreciate your comments, and will explore them thoroughly. For any other newbies such as myself who might be interested, here's a quick synopsis of some of the advice: Mary, Anton and Joan recommended the simple and free *PAF 5.2* (Personal Ancestral file) from http://www.familysearch.org I was aware of this, but unsure, and now I'm trying it out and believe it is very easy to use, and suitable for my current modest research needs. Ian had lots of useful advice, ta!! and recommended *Family Historian* which is GEDcom based, from http://www.family-historian.co.uk This sounds very useful, able to handle a large tree/data set and capable of doing a lot for you - complex analysis etc. Malcolm said that if you have a GEDCOM file, you can export it into a great free package from *www.tribalpages.com* where there are various ways of presenting data with user friendly search facilities. Gail was very enthusiastic about the basic but very usable *Family Tree Maker* available from http://www.familytreemaker.com Anton also said that this is an inexpensive and useful package, perhaps more flexible than freeware ones. And finally, Joan reminded me how vital it is to keep paper backup of one's data!! I can add my own advice too - many folk keep disk or whatever backup of their files, but often in the same location as their computer. In the event of theft, fire or other catastrophe, do consider an alternative place to store things. I send my files to my geographically distant brother as my backup system! Once again, many thanks for your help - sorry I didn't reply to you individually. Sorry if this isn't quite what WIG List is for, hope I haven't annoyed anyone by inappropriateness! Cheers, Sue

Hi, Bill - I've heard of Lycergis before. A quick check in an online names dictionary turned this up: http://www.behindthename.com/php/view.php?name=lycurgus LYCURGUS Gender: Masculine Usage: Greek Mythology (Latinized), Ancient Greek (Latinized) Latinized form of Lykourgos, a Greek name which meant "deed of a wolf" from lykou "of a wolf" and ergon "deed, work". In Greek legend this was the name of a king who was driven mad by the gods because of his impiety. This was also the name of a Spartan legislator of the 9th century BC. Mary At 08:45 PM 5/10/2007, billmellsworth@comcast.net wrote: >...Apparently he named his first son Sucurgis or Lucurgis or >something like that. Is anyone familiar with this name?...

Hi, I've been trying to trace the family of my gg grandfather Andrew William Mckie. I believe he came from Whithorn. I haven't had much luck proving it so I'm grasping at all straws. Apparently he named his first son Sucurgis or Lucurgis or something like that. Is anyone familiar with this name? Without success I have searched all over the US 1850 census looking for him. He is no where to be found before 1860. Perhaps I am looking for the wrong name. I have been unable to locate his parents in 1850 either. Bill in Virginia

Thanks for sharing the information Sue- Nice to have a brainstorming session- this is by far the best, most frienly list there is! Donna In Vancouver Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sue Thomas" <sue@creepycrawly.freeserve.co.uk> To: "Wigtownshire" <SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRe@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 2:14 PM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] advice please! > Hello everyone again! > Thanks to everyone who have so rapidly responded to me already, and been > so generous with advice - the WIG List really is an excellent and > noticeably friendly group. I really appreciate your comments, and will > explore them thoroughly. > For any other newbies such as myself who might be interested, here's a > quick synopsis of some of the advice: > > Mary, Anton and Joan recommended the simple and free *PAF 5.2* (Personal > Ancestral file) from http://www.familysearch.org > I was aware of this, but unsure, and now I'm trying it out and > believe it is very easy to use, and suitable for my current modest > research needs. > > Ian had lots of useful advice, ta!! and recommended *Family Historian* > which is GEDcom based, from http://www.family-historian.co.uk > This sounds very useful, able to handle a large tree/data set and > capable of doing a lot for you - complex analysis etc. > > Malcolm said that if you have a GEDCOM file, you can export it into a > great free package from *www.tribalpages.com* where there are various > ways of presenting data with user friendly search facilities. > > Gail was very enthusiastic about the basic but very usable *Family Tree > Maker* available from http://www.familytreemaker.com > Anton also said that this is an inexpensive and useful package, perhaps > more flexible than freeware ones. > > And finally, Joan reminded me how vital it is to keep paper backup of > one's data!! I can add my own advice too - many folk keep disk or > whatever backup of their files, but often in the same location as their > computer. In the event of theft, fire or other catastrophe, do consider > an alternative place to store things. I send my files to my > geographically distant brother as my backup system! > > Once again, many thanks for your help - sorry I didn't reply to you > individually. > Sorry if this isn't quite what WIG List is for, hope I haven't annoyed > anyone by inappropriateness! > Cheers, Sue > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi guys, What advice can anyone give me on keeping my records in order, please?! I'd like to organise all information about individuals into some kind of *database*. What do people find the best package to use? Preferably something simple and freeware! From my science background, I currently tend to put everything into spreadsheets, adapting them to my own needs, but clearly this isn't the best method - a database is the obvious solution. Incidently, I've put my family tree into a Gedcom file, which is vital for various websites etc. but not entirely useful to me. Cheers for your comments. Sue (Southampton, UK) PS - thanks for the various comments about Cullochs - the interest is great, despite nil progress! - I'll keep hoping...

Like Rob, my McCulloch family is proving to be a bit of a mystery. They do appear in Kirkcolm too, so may well be connected to Rob's family. I have a GORDON McCULLOCH who married Margaret KENYON. Margaret died Jun 1865 in Whithorn (listed as a widow) but no trace has been found of Gordon, where he came from, who his parents were, when he died, etc. Their 3 children that I know of are: - Mary (b. abt 1812 Kirkcolm, d. Sept 1880 Whithorn), married 1843 James NISH (children William, James, Mary, Agnes) - Thomas (b. Nov 1815 Kirkcolm, d. Nov 1876 Glasserton), married 1838 Jane WELLS (children Hugh, James, Richard, Mary, Janet, Annie, Elizabeth, Margaret) - Margaret (b. Oct 1818 Kirkcolm, d. Dec 1897 Garlieston) married 1838 Robert LITTLE (children John, Agnes, Nathaniel, Robert, Mary, Margaret, Nathan, Richard, Alexander, James) My line comes down from the marriage of Margaret to Robert LITTLE, then through their daughter Margaret (b. 1850 Sorbie) who in 1874 married James McCALLIE. If anyone has come across Gordon in their research, or is at all connected with this McCulloch family I would love to hear from you. Maria Hurrell Southland, New Zealand

My husband's family does have Irish McCULLOCHs connected who came to Victoria, sorry I don't have any further info in my collection it is held by my husband's nephew. The Australian Dictionary of Biography - Online Edition relates the following article, entering McCulloch+Melbourne into Google shows further entries. >>WFP 30/5/1867 MARRIAGES >>M'CULLOCH, Jas. - M27/2/1867 - On the 27th February last by special license, by the Rev. Mr M'Causland, resident clergyman, at Radford House, Echuca, Victoria ( the residence of the bride's father) Jas. M'Culloch, Esq., of the firm of Messrs W. M'Culloch and Co., Melbourne, and formerly of Skaith, Wigtownshire, to Alice Bolton, only child of Henry Hopwood, Esq., http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A050163b.htm McCULLOCH, James (1841 - 1904) Birth: 1841 Death: 9 June 1904 Religious Influence: Australian Church Occupation: carrier, cattle breeder, company director, dairy farmer, local government councillor, riverboat owner Life Summary Resources Abbreviations Article History McCULLOCH, JAMES (1841-1904), businessman, was the third brother of William McCulloch. Educated at Douglas Academy, Newton-Stewart, he migrated to Melbourne in 1863 and joined the carrying company named after and directed by William. James worked first in Castlemaine but early in 1865 was sent to Echuca to open a branch of the firm. Although capital and guidance came from the Melbourne headquarters, James's energy, persuasiveness and diplomacy helped him to negotiate contracts with squatters for the carriage of their wool clips. He also acquired a small fleet of riverboats and barges. The company soon commanded most of the forwarding business from stores and offices opposite the wharf. On 27 February 1867 James married Alice Bolton, only daughter of Henry Hopwood. McCulloch visited Europe in 1873 and then settled in Melbourne to help his brother with the rapidly expanding company. He was a member of the board of directors and played a major role in its success. When business declined in the 1880s, James played a crucial role in attempting a merger with (F. A.) Wright, Heaton & Co. of Sydney and joined their board of directors. After William stepped down as director of his company in 1886, James carried on as the key member and was finally successful in merging with Wright, Heaton & Co. in 1898. The McCulloch Carrying Co. became the Victorian subsidiary, and James remained a director until 1904. He also had large interests in the Colonial Mutual Fire Insurance Co. and the Outtrim Coal Co., serving on their boards. McCulloch drove into Melbourne each day from his home, Barholm, Oakleigh, where he bred Jersey cattle famous for the quantity and quality of their milk and for butter production. His pedigreed herd began with a bull and seven cows selected for him in 1888 by William in England and said to be the finest ever to leave the country. Three cows calved on the voyage to Melbourne. In 1889 McCulloch first showed his Jerseys in Melbourne and won first prize for a cow in milk. He later won many awards; for example, eight firsts and several other prizes at the Royal Melbourne Show in 1900. Descendants of his stock were scattered throughout Australasia. McCulloch was a member and sometime councillor of the Royal Agricultural Society and in municipal affairs at Oakleigh served as a shire councillor. Predeceased by his wife in 1895, he died on 9 June 1904; they had no children. A staunch member of the Australian Church, his funeral service was conducted by Dr Strong. Select Bibliography J. Smith (ed), Cyclopedia of Victoria, vol 1 (Melb, 1903); I. Mudie, Riverboats (Melb, 1965); S. Priestley, Echuca: A Centenary History (Brisb, 1965); A. Morris, Rich River (Colac, 1970); McCulloch Carrying Co. papers (State Library of Victoria). More on the resources Author: Samuel Clyde McCulloch Print Publication Details: Samuel Clyde McCulloch, 'McCulloch, James (1841 - 1904)', Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 5, Melbourne University Press, 1974, pp 142-143. Regards Jenny

I thought I’d add my McCulloch brick wall to the mix. I hit it with my gggGrandfather John McCulloch. He was born in Ireland around 1789 (1841 & 51 cencus’). His parent’s names on his death registration were Thomas McCulloch & Jane McClure. John married Margaret McMillan on June 1st 1815 at Kirkcolm. Their 13 surviving children were:- Thomas Mar 4th 1816 John Apr 4th 1818 died Aug 8th 1818 Jane Agnew Apr 22nd 1820 Hugh Feb 6th 1822 Margaret Apr 21st 1824 David Apr 10th 1826 John Jan 18th 1828 my ggGrandfather William Jun 17th 1830 James Jun 14th 1832 Samuel Jun 1st 1834 Jessie May 18th 1836 Mary Feb 18th 1838 Andrew Aug 1st 1840 I’ve been able to piece together quite a bit about this band of McCullochs from 1815 but am absolutely stonkered with the Irish connection. If anyone has a connection to this family I’d be happy to hear from them. Regards Rob in OZ _____ I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 2389 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Try SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> for free now!

WFP 21/11/1867 DEATHS DOUGLAS, Keath S. - D2/9/1867 - (At aca) on the 2d September last, on the passage from Calcutta to Liverpool, Captain Keath S. Douglas, of Mahanada, after a brief illness. Deceased was (38) years of age and was the youngest son of the late Mr Douglas P.C.O., Garliestown. 5/12/1867 MARRIAGES AULD, John - M18/9/1867 - At Archer-Street Chapel, North Adelaide, on the 18th September, by the Rev. J. Watsford, John Auld, eldest son of Mr Archd. Auld, farmer, Glengyre, Kirkcolm, to Catherine Radford, only daughter of the late Mr William Knightly, farmer, Underdale, near Thebarton.

WFP 30/5/1867 MARRIAGES M'CULLOCH, Jas. - M27/2/1867 - On the 27th February last by special license, by the Rev. Mr M'Causland, resident clergyman, at Radford House, Echuca, Victoria ( the residence of the bride's father) Jas. M'Culloch, Esq., of the firm of Messrs W. M'Culloch and Co., Melbourne, and formerly of Skaith, Wigtownshire, to Alice Bolton, only child of Henry Hopwood, Esq.,

At 03:05 PM 5/9/2007, Diana Henry wrote: >WFP 30/5/1867 > >MARRIAGES > >M'CULLOCH, Jas. - M27/2/1867 - On the 27th February last by special >license, by the Rev. Mr M'Causland, resident clergyman, at Radford >House, Echuca, Victoria ( the residence of the bride's father) Jas. >M'Culloch, Esq., of the firm of Messrs W. M'Culloch and Co., >Melbourne, and formerly of Skaith, Wigtownshire, to Alice Bolton, >only child of Henry Hopwood, Esq. Timely given the spate of recent McCULLOCH posts :-) James was the son of Samuel McCULLOCH and Helen McWHINNIE. The "W. M'Culloch" for whom he worked was his brother William, about whom I've written many times. With the advent of its new list search system, Rootsweb has modified all the archive URLs, so here's the revised link for my most comprehensive comments about William: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/sct-wigtownshire/2005-01/1106793995. The Australian Dictionary of Biography has bios for James http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A050163b.htm William http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A050164b.htm Henry Hopwood http://www.adb.online.anu.edu.au/biogs/A040476b.htm Don't miss Henry's bio -- he led a colorful life! (The bio doesn't mention Alice's mother, but Bruce McDowall found this in the Victorian BDM indexes: McCULLOCH / Alice Bolton / D / HOPWOOD Hy / Martha BOLTON / 51 / Oakleigh / 1895 / 6739. So presumably, her mother was Martha BOLTON.) Mary Richardson

WFP 28/2/1867 DEATHS DOUGAN, Alexander - D27/1/1867 - At Clifton, Canada West, on the 27th ultimo, of dropsy, after a short but severe illness, Mr Alexander Dougan, formerly of Challochmun, Wigtownshire, aged 62 years. Friends at a distance will please accept of this intimation. 7/3/1867 DEATHS M'KENZIE, Robert - D3/3/1867 - At Pau, France, on the 3d inst., Robert Mackenzie, Esq., Bankfield, Glenluce, aged 30 years - much and deeply regretted. - Friends will please accept of this intimation.

Hi there I have McCullochs with various spellings, only related by marriage. I am at work at present, but just to add Mary Hannah McCulloch, married John Irvine.......this would have been in the mid-late 1800s I think...from memory. I will add more details when I can find them Thank you Kirstie ___________________________________________________________ Yahoo! Answers - Got a question? Someone out there knows the answer. Try it now. http://uk.answers.yahoo.com/

Hi there I have McCullochs with various spellings, only related by marriage. I am at work at present, but just to add Mary Hannah McCulloch, married John Irvine.......this would have been in the mid-late 1800s I think...from memory. I will add more details when I can find them Thank you Kirstie ___________________________________________________________ To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Yahoo! Security Centre. http://uk.security.yahoo.com

>>WFP 21/2/1867 >>MARRIAGES M'KISSOCK, Hugh - M4/10/1866 - At Hobartown, Van Diemen's Land, on the 4th Oct., by the Rev. W. Nicholson, D.D. Hugh M'Kissock, third son of Mr John M'Kissock, farmer, Glaick, to Esther Eliza, youngest daughter of the late John Clayton, Esq. - No cards. >From the Tasmanian Families site.........sorry I don't have access to the Tas. Pioneer Index at present for further b's and d's. MCKISSOCK, HUGH Male Birth 1842 Marriage/Relationship: 1866 - HOBART,Tasmania ( CLAYTON, ESTER ELIZA ) CLAYTON, ESTER ELIZA Female Birth 1845 - HOBART, Tasmania Children: 388246 MCKISSOCK JANE FLORENCE 1868 Parents of Esther... 85658 CLAYTON JOHN 88766 COOMBS SARAH Children: 66067 CLAYTON MARTHA 1841 66065 CLAYTON SARAH ANN 1842 Regards Jenny