well, it goes without saying that Margaret didn't have any direct descendants. (This is a joke on me as I spent a while looking for those descendants - Margaret was after all only 18 and was not accused of the sin of having born a 'natural' child) I would LOVE to hear from anybody else with information on this family. Margaret's parents were Gilbert Wilson and Jonet McILWAIN (as far as I know) I don't have any further information on her sister Agnes who was arrested with her. Her sister Jean married Alexander MURRAY and I have only found one child for them - Margaret. I have nothing further there Her brother Thomas and Margaret RAMSAY had several children. Thomas - 1699 Margaret - 1702-1776 Marion - 1703 Agnes - 1705 William - 1707 Robert - 1709 David - 1710 Jonet - 1711 Alexander - 1714 Gilbert - 1716 John - 1718 Patrick - 1720 Lots of potential descendants there! Having said that in the WIGTOWNSHIRE WILLS 1904 Index: "Wilson, Patrick, third lawful son to the decesed Thomas W., in Glenvernoch 1741" Indicates all but three of the boys were dead by 1741. Newton Stewart Parish Register has a listing for possibly a grandson John - "May 11, 1797 - John Wilson in Glenvernock & Margt. Gordon had a Daughter Baptized named Marion" I do have some info for Thomas' daughter Margaret who married John McADAM - they had 4 children (here again, that I know of) Margret - 1733 John - 1737 William - 1738-1804 John - 1740 I know of some descendants in Australia, Canada and in the USA but these were located in and about Minnesota and without the WILSON name. :-) Amy ----- Original Message ----- From: <Huguenaute@aol.com> To: <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2007 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Margaret Willson list of Martyrs > Does anyone have a list of descendants for the Margaret Willson who died for > her faith? She's mentioned in Foxe's Book of Martyrs and several other > places. I wondered if she had descendants in the colonies- especially interested > in the Carolinas pre-Rev period. > Dolly in McClellanville > > > > ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. > > ------------------------------- > == Scottish History == > A Scottish law of 1433 prohibited provision of pies to anyone under the rank of baron. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Does anyone have a list of descendants for the Margaret Willson who died for her faith? She's mentioned in Foxe's Book of Martyrs and several other places. I wondered if she had descendants in the colonies- especially interested in the Carolinas pre-Rev period. Dolly in McClellanville ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.

Dear Listers, I love the little Scottish history snippets but reading "A Scottish law of 1433 prohibited provision of pies to anyone under the rank of baron." Left me writhing with curiosity. What was so special about pies that only barons and above could have them? [Today we regard them as a handy way of using up odd bits of meat, etc. Were they different in 1433?] "Provision": Was it providing them that was illegal i.e. anybody could eat them but it was illegal to provide them to non-nobles? That law raises so many questions. Can anybody shine light on this odd little corner, please? Regards Trevor Agnew, Christchurch, New Zealand [or Brisbane, Queensland perhaps] -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DIANA HENRY Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2007 5:12 a.m. To: sct-wigtownshire@roots Subject: [WIG LIST] WFP 23 FEBRUARY 1888 LINDA has pointed out that of course Brisbane ,Queensland is not in New Zealand. It was in the original copy. Sorry I did not notice this, I am more concerned with getting the names correct! these copies are very black. Diana ------------------------------- == Scottish History == A Scottish law of 1433 prohibited provision of pies to anyone under the rank of baron. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

>From Wigtown Free Press 10th July, 1884 DEATHS >>HUSBAND, Benjamine - D7/5/1884 - At Clermont, Queensland, on the 7th May last, Benjamine, fourth son of James William Husband, teacher, Wigtown, N.B., aged 26 years. Queensland Pioneer Index HUSBAND, Benjamin Young Death F= John William Young M= Margaret Fair Anderson Date 7 May 1884 Ref. 1884 001101 Regards jenny

>From Wigtown Free Press 23rd February, 1888 MARRIAGES >>M'WILLIAM, Wm. Sandeman - M4/1/1888 - At Kelvin Grove, Brisbane, Queensland, New-Zealand, on the 4th January, by the Rev. S.G. Crawford, Wm. Sandeman M'William, eldest son of Robert M'William, of Dundee, Scotland, to Margaret, youngest daughter of Samuel M'Lelland, late of Kirkland, Leswalt, Wigtownshire, Scotland. Queensland Pioneer Index McWILLIAM, William Sandeman Marriage McLELLAND, Margaret Date 4 Jan 1888 Ref. 1888 001657 McWILLIAM, Robert Birth F= William Sandeman M= Margaret McLelland Date 31 Oct 1888 Ref. 1888 009752 Regards Jenny

Hi Listers, This was known as a'Sumptuary Law', or belonging to cost or expense and often addressed what was then seen as excess or waste, in this case food. An extract from the online 'Classic Encyclopedia' describes the background to the 1433 act. ......Already in the reign of Edward II. a proclamation had been issued against the " outrageous and excessive multitude of meats and dishes which the great men of the kingdom had used, and still used, in their castles," as well as " persons of inferior rank imitating their example, beyond what their stations required and their circumstances could afford "; and the rule was laid down that the great men should have but two courses of flesh meat served up to their tables, and on fish days two courses of fish, each course consisting of but two kinds. In 1336 Edward III. attempted also to legislate against luxurious living, and in 1363, at the same time when costumes were regulated, it was enacted that the servants of gentlemen, merchants and artificers should have only one meal of flesh or fish in the day, and that their other food should consist of milk, butter and cheese. Similar acts to those above mentioned were passed in Scotland also. In 1433 (temp. James I.), by an act of a parliament which sat at Perth, the manner of living of all orders in Scotland was prescribed, and in particular the use of pies and baked meats, which had been only lately introduced into the country, was forbidden to all under the rank of baron. In 1457 (temp. James II.) an act was passed against " sumptuous cleithing." A Scottish sumptuary law of 1621 was the last of the kind in Great Britain.... The wonders of Google!! Cannot find what 'cleithing' is however, any academics out there?? Malcolm >From: "Maisie Egger" <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net> >To: "T & J Agnew" <agnewtj@xtra.co.nz>, <dianahhenry@btinternet.com>, > <"'sct-wigtownshire@roots'"@mail.rootsweb.com>, >"sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com" <sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Why Pies? Why providing? >Date: Sat, 9 Jun 2007 14:39:26 -0700 > > > I dunno, but I'd like to hazard a guess that the "peasants" very rarely >had meat, as only the upper crust could afford it, plus they were not >allowed to hunt on land that they did not own. The highlanders, for >example, kept scrawny cows, got the milk from same, then curds and whey, >thence to cheese. They also lived on kale and cabbage. If the crofter >helped himself to the land's bounty for rabbit and deer, for example, the >consequences could be dire. > > Like meat, potatoes were considered to be a scarce commodity for the >poor, >but by the mid-1700s they were very much a part of the diet. >Unfortunately, >the Irish did not seem to have such a diverse "table," and when the blight >hit in the mid-to-late 1800s it was disastrous. It is seldom mentioned >that >this blight also affected Britain and parts of Europe. > > I stand corrected on the above as I am not an agrarian and am just >picking >my brains as to why the barons and lords and ladies ate pies and the >hoi-polloi did not. > > Maisie > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "T & J Agnew" <agnewtj@xtra.co.nz> > To: "'DIANA HENRY'" <dianahhenry@btinternet.com>; >"'sct-wigtownshire@roots'" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 1:44 PM > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Why Pies? Why providing? > > > > Dear Listers, > > I love the little Scottish history snippets but reading "A Scottish >law >of > > 1433 prohibited provision of pies to anyone under the rank of baron." >Left > > me writhing with curiosity. > > What was so special about pies that only barons and above could have >them? > > [Today we regard them as a handy way of using up odd bits of meat, >etc. >Were > > they different in 1433?] > > "Provision": Was it providing them that was illegal i.e. anybody could >eat > > them but it was illegal to provide them to non-nobles? > > That law raises so many questions. > > > > Can anybody shine light on this odd little corner, please? > > > > Regards > > > > Trevor Agnew, Christchurch, New Zealand [or Brisbane, Queensland >perhaps] > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > > [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DIANA >HENRY > > Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2007 5:12 a.m. > > To: sct-wigtownshire@roots > > Subject: [WIG LIST] WFP 23 FEBRUARY 1888 > > > > LINDA has pointed out that of course Brisbane ,Queensland is not in >New > > Zealand. It was in the original copy. Sorry I did not notice this, I >am > > more concerned with getting the names correct! these copies are very > > black. > > Diana > > > > ------------------------------- > > == Scottish History == > > A Scottish law of 1433 prohibited provision of pies to anyone under >the >rank > > of baron. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without > > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > == Scottish History == > > A Scottish law of 1433 prohibited provision of pies to anyone under >the >rank of baron. > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > >------------------------------- >== Scottish History == >A Scottish law of 1433 prohibited provision of pies to anyone under the >rank of baron. >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Play your part in making history - Email Britain! http://www.emailbritain.co.uk/

At 01:22 PM 6/9/2007, you wrote: > From Wigtownshire Free Press >16th February, 1888 > >BIRTHS >LITTERICK, Female - B7/1/1888 - At Lower Ranch, Kingsley, Plymouth, >Co., Iowa, U.S. America, on the 7th ult., the wife of Jas. Litterick >of a daughter. >... Having an interest in LITTERICKs, I checked the U.S. 1900 census. (1890 burned). The 1888 daughter appears to be Grace: Name: James Litterick Home in 1900: Hungerford, Plymouth Co., Iowa Age: 38, b. Apr 1862 Birthplace: Scotland Relationship to head-of-house: Head Spouse's name: Agnes, married 13 yrs., 4 kids born, 4 kids alive Race: White Occupation: Farmer Immigration Year: 1887 Household Members: Name Age James Litterick 38 Agnes Litterick 36, b. Scotland Grace Litterick 12, b. Iowa Nellie Litterick 10, b. Iowa Jessie Litterick 5, b. Iowa John R Litterick 3 mos., b. Iowa David Fergusson 42, b. Scotland, boarder Head of household James LITTERICK was born in Sorbie to John LITTERICK and Mary BROWN. Some of our Wig listers are related. For those who are interested, we can share quite a bit more about this family. Mary Richardson

Hello, Love a challenge. My interpretation would be "clothing" and sumptuous would be those clothes of fine silk, etc. as referenced in the book on-line below: http://books.google.com/books?id=lqYuAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA245&lpg=PA245&dq=sumptuou s+cleithing&source=web&ots=M2eApRKu3p&sig=jPAnl5Ad_iGSxUv8GLaSLxtzFtE You learn something new every day! Gail -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Crawford MacKeand Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 8:25 PM To: Malcolm Lockerbie Cc: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Why Pies? Why providing? > forbidden to all under the rank of baron. In 1457 (temp. James II.) an act > was passed against " sumptuous cleithing." A Scottish sumptuary law of 1621 > was the last of the kind in Great Britain.... > > The wonders of Google!! Cannot find what 'cleithing' is however, any > academics out there?? No claim to be an academic, but my two cents would say that it's a variant of "claithing" which Warrack's Scots dictionary says is clothing. Crawford. ------------------------------- == Scottish History == A Scottish law of 1433 prohibited provision of pies to anyone under the rank of baron. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

> forbidden to all under the rank of baron. In 1457 (temp. James II.) an act > was passed against " sumptuous cleithing." A Scottish sumptuary law of 1621 > was the last of the kind in Great Britain.... > > The wonders of Google!! Cannot find what 'cleithing' is however, any > academics out there?? No claim to be an academic, but my two cents would say that it's a variant of "claithing" which Warrack's Scots dictionary says is clothing. Crawford.

>From Wigtownshire Free Press 16th February, 1888 BIRTHS LITTERICK, Female - B7/1/1888 - At Lower Ranch, Kingsley, Plymouth, Co., Iowa, U.S. America, on the 7th ult., the wife of Jas. Litterick of a daughter. 23rd February, 1888 BIRTHS GUNN, Male - B17/12/1887 - At Futuna, New Hebrides, on the 17th December last, the wife of Dr. Wm. Gunn of a son.

LINDA has pointed out that of course Brisbane ,Queensland is not in New Zealand. It was in the original copy. Sorry I did not notice this, I am more concerned with getting the names correct! these copies are very black. Diana

V.G. to you and Google, Malcolm! I looked up the cheap-o The Consice Scots Dictionary I have for a definition of cleithing, but the closest I can find is clied -- to clothe: cf. cleed, which is variously cled (clad, clothed) cleed. Maisie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Lockerbie" <malcolmlockerbie@hotmail.com> To: <campsiehills@sbcglobal.net>; <agnewtj@xtra.co.nz>; <dianahhenry@btinternet.com>; <sct-wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Why Pies? Why providing? > Hi Listers, > > This was known as a'Sumptuary Law', or belonging to cost or expense and > often addressed what was then seen as excess or waste, in this case food. > In 1457 (temp. James II.) an act > was passed against " sumptuous cleithing." A Scottish sumptuary law of 1621 was the last of the kind in Great Britain.... > > The wonders of Google!! Cannot find what 'cleithing' is however, any > academics out there?? --- --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I dunno, but I'd like to hazard a guess that the "peasants" very rarely had meat, as only the upper crust could afford it, plus they were not allowed to hunt on land that they did not own. The highlanders, for example, kept scrawny cows, got the milk from same, then curds and whey, thence to cheese. They also lived on kale and cabbage. If the crofter helped himself to the land's bounty for rabbit and deer, for example, the consequences could be dire. Like meat, potatoes were considered to be a scarce commodity for the poor, but by the mid-1700s they were very much a part of the diet. Unfortunately, the Irish did not seem to have such a diverse "table," and when the blight hit in the mid-to-late 1800s it was disastrous. It is seldom mentioned that this blight also affected Britain and parts of Europe. I stand corrected on the above as I am not an agrarian and am just picking my brains as to why the barons and lords and ladies ate pies and the hoi-polloi did not. Maisie ----- Original Message ----- From: "T & J Agnew" <agnewtj@xtra.co.nz> To: "'DIANA HENRY'" <dianahhenry@btinternet.com>; "'sct-wigtownshire@roots'" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2007 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Why Pies? Why providing? > Dear Listers, > I love the little Scottish history snippets but reading "A Scottish law of > 1433 prohibited provision of pies to anyone under the rank of baron." Left > me writhing with curiosity. > What was so special about pies that only barons and above could have them? > [Today we regard them as a handy way of using up odd bits of meat, etc. Were > they different in 1433?] > "Provision": Was it providing them that was illegal i.e. anybody could eat > them but it was illegal to provide them to non-nobles? > That law raises so many questions. > > Can anybody shine light on this odd little corner, please? > > Regards > > Trevor Agnew, Christchurch, New Zealand [or Brisbane, Queensland perhaps] > > -----Original Message----- > From: sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:sct-wigtownshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of DIANA HENRY > Sent: Sunday, 10 June 2007 5:12 a.m. > To: sct-wigtownshire@roots > Subject: [WIG LIST] WFP 23 FEBRUARY 1888 > > LINDA has pointed out that of course Brisbane ,Queensland is not in New > Zealand. It was in the original copy. Sorry I did not notice this, I am > more concerned with getting the names correct! these copies are very > black. > Diana > > ------------------------------- > == Scottish History == > A Scottish law of 1433 prohibited provision of pies to anyone under the rank > of baron. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > == Scottish History == > A Scottish law of 1433 prohibited provision of pies to anyone under the rank of baron. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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>From Wigtown Free Press 23rd February, 1888 MARRIAGES M'WILLIAM, Wm. Sandeman - M4/1/1888 - At Kelvin Grove, Brisbane, Queensland, New-Zealand, on the 4th January, by the Rev. S.G. Crawford, Wm. Sandeman M'William, eldest son of Robert M'William, of Dundee, Scotland, to Margaret, youngest daughter of Samuel M'Lelland, late of Kirkland, Leswalt, Wigtownshire, Scotland. DEATH BRYSON, George - D20/2/1888 - Here, at 45 London Road, on the 20th inst., George Bryson, aged 90 years - Australasian papers please copy.

>From the Wigtown Free Press 16th February, 1888 MARRIAGES GOUDIE, Peter - M12/12/1887 - At the residence of Mr James M'Phail, Chelsea, Auckand, New - Zealand, on the 12th December, Peter, eldest son of the late James Goudie, to Janet, eldest daughter of Charles Thomson, both of Portwilliam, Wigtownshire. DEATHS M'MASTER, John - D2/2/1888 - At New York, U.S.A., on the 2nd inst., John M'Master, son of James M'Master, (dealer?) Stranraer, aged 34 years. WEBSTER, John - D21/12/1887 - At the Government Civil Hospital, Hong Kong, China, on the 21st December of smallpox, John Webster, member of the Hong Kong police forces, and a native of Portwilliam, Wigtownshire, aged 26 years.

>From WFP 26th January, 1888 MARRIAGES BARON, Thomas Woodbury - M12/1/1888 - At 556, Columbus Avenue, Boston, Main, on the 2nd inst., by the Rev. Emory J. Haynes, Thomas Woodbury Baron, of Newport Nova Scotia, to Maggie second daughter of Mr John M'Harrie, of Newport, N.S. and late of Stranraer, Scotland. DEATHS TAIT, Peter - D27/12/1887 - At Ironwood, Michigan, America, on the 27th ult., Peter Tait, a native of Wigtown, aged 42 years. DALE, James Douglas - D15/12/1887 - At Owen Sound, Ontario, Canada, on the 15th ult, James Douglas Dale, a native of Wigtown, aged 75 years. >From WFP 2 February, 1888 DEATHS M'WILLIAM/M'CLYMONT, Margaret - D2/12/1887 - At Bentinck, Gray County, Ontario, on the 2nd December, Margaret M'Clymont, wife of Herbert Hunter (Blak) M'William, and second eldest daughter of the late Thomas M'Clylmont, Portpatrick.

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> > From: <lhph@bellsouth.net> > Date: 2007/06/08 Fri AM 09:43:18 EDT > To: <cherylheazlewood@hotmail.com>, <jandsmcdowell@hotkey.net.au>, <LHPH@bellsouth.net> > Subject: McDowall Family in Wigtown Scotland > > I have recently got off of the wigtownshire sight at rootsweb because of so many listings daily. However, I did note with interest both of your information on McDowall. McDowell, Dowall ancestors. Can either of you help me with this person. > > Jean McDowall b. 22 March 1797 in Wigtownshire and died of influenza 8 March 1865 buried at St Ninians Church Cemetery Whithorn Scotland. Name on tombstone Jane Dowall > > Her parents were Mary Vernon and John McDowall > > Married 27 Feb. 1814 to James Laverie b 7 Dec. 1786 and d. 5 April 1866 of old age and buried at same place. > > I am trying to trace her family and her mother and father's family. The following email may be a sister. > > I will be leaving town the 16th and gone for a month so if you do not hear from me, I am still interested. Thanks for any help. > > Pat Hurst > >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: swresearch Surnames: Stewart Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/326.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There was a Capt. William Stewart who went to Donegal,Ireland in the period of the plantation of Ulster. He may have settled on "The Manor of Castle-Stewart" comprising the two proportions of Revelinoutra and Revelineightra, the lands were re-granted to Lord Castlestewart in 1629. It has been noted that he took with him 100 people from Wigtownshire. Would you know of any records of the names of these settlers ? Thankyou. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.