Well, see it's like this, you can't believe everything you read! ☺☺☺ Last year an English fellow, a super genealogy sleuth on the Wigtown list, did some digging for me regarding my father's grandfather, my great-grandfather. All I knew was his wife's name, and that he was a miner with seven children, living in Kirkcudbrightshire. Between censuses and BDMs, this super sleuth uncovered that a year after the death of the wife (great-grandmother) of this great-grandfather, he took off for England, where he remarried five years later. Eventually the couple moved to Wales where he began a second family. The documents/censuses I have list this new family, plus nephews, boarders and servants at the Welsh address. So far so good, until a young woman, who turns out to be related to me as a descendant of my great-grandfather's Welsh-born family, found a query from me "somewhere" online about my father's family and responded with some interesting facts. Apparently the "nephews" were not nephews at all, but the second wife's children from a "former" husband. The "nephews" seemingly went through their whole lives unaware that this "aunt" was in fact their mother. The facts have only now surfaced when someone else on "that" Welsh side did some research and uncovered the real relationship. It has been suggested that this was a bigamous relationship between my great-grandfather and his second "wife," the reason being that in the 1800s most ordinary people could not afford to divorce, and so there was a lot of covering up if there were children from the first marriage. I wonder if my great-grandfather knew that the boys were hers and not her nephews. It would seem to me that he would have to have known, or else she was a fantastic actor/liar! Nowhere on the censuses I have does it indicate that the males are anything other than nephews, so right there, somebody told some big fibs decade in decade out. To add to this, with my limited knowledge, I believe that women cannot hide previous pregnancies, except maybe if the children were eased into this world at the hands of a midwife and not a practiced doctor. Certainly nowadays an ob/gy would know if there had been prior pregnancies/births. She could have got away with her "deceit," therefore. if the "nephews" had been delivered at home by a midwife. Unless some of the "half" relatives can uncover some narrative information about this cover-up, I wonder if I'll ever find out the reason for it...except, as pointed out, most ordinary people could not afford a divorce, plus all the made-up nasty ramifications of proving why it was necessary to divorce one's spouse. Prior to our more enlightened times one or the other had to be shown to be unfaithful, etc., whereas nowadays irreconcilable differences are enough for both parties to be out the door! ☺☺☺ My family had always talked about a relative being a mine manager, but the modest wee houses he was born and lived in in the Kirkcudbrightshire and Wigtownshire areas, led me to believe that he was not in the top drawer league. Later, I learned from more documents that he was captain of mines in Wales, and so he must have been earning a wee bitty mair siller! This was reinforced when this "half-relative" sent me a photo of a three-storey house he either lived in or owned in Wales It has a basement in which perhaps the "skivvies" lived. This is what is fascinating about genealogy when one can get beyond the barebones of basic stats. I'm looking forward to anymore "gossip" on this great-grandfather and his second "wife." I wonder how they got away with being in a bigamous relationship for so many years, if that was the case. Maybe that's why they moved from England to Wales where no one would know them. The plot thickens! Maisie --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Thank you very much for your responses to 'Farmhouses' off to search now with your guidance. Kind regards to all, Maggie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie McNeill Grant" <mlg27@optusnet.com.au> To: "DIANA HENRY" <dianahhenry@btinternet.com>; "sct-wigtownshire@roots" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 10:51 AM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] FARMHOUSES > Does anyone know if the following farmhouses still exist: > > Orchardton Farm Sorbie > Appleby Glasserton (McKerlie ref: r 521 i) > Coffin Lodge Portpatrick > Glentriplock (McKerlie ref: l 299 i) > Eldrig Village (address given in 1841 Census for Hamilton McMeekan ) > Eldrig Meikle (McKerlie ref: m2 310 i > Cothouse Inch Kirkcolm (on the great McKerlie site I see that there are > say, > Cothouse1, Cothouse 2) also can 'cothouse' be a generic name for > 'farmhouse? > Balker Inch > > Thank you > Maggie Grant > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DIANA HENRY" <dianahhenry@btinternet.com> > To: "sct-wigtownshire@roots" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:32 AM > Subject: [WIG LIST] NEIL/M'CORQUODALE/BAIRD > > >> >From Wigtown Free Press 8th February, 1900 >> >> DEATHS >> NEIL, Alexander - D14/12/1899 - At Echuca, Victoria, on the 14th December >> last, Alexander Neil, formerly of Stranraer, youngest son of the late >> Peter Neil, farmer Wellhouse, Kikrcolm, aged 38 years >> M'CORQUODALE, Hugh Stewart - D24/1/1900 - Reported on the 29th January, >> 1900, killed in action, Spion Kop, on the 24th, Hugh Stewart >> M'Corquodale, >> Lieut. "Thorneycroft's Mounted Infantry" youngest son of the late George >> M'Corquodale, of Newton-Le Willows and Gladlys, Isle of Anglesey, in his >> 25th year. >> BAIRD, Peter - D27/1/1900 - At Orange River Hospital, on the 27th ult., >> of >> enteric fever, Peter Baird, 1st Gordon Highlanders, youngest son of the >> late Peter Baird, joiner, Kirkmaiden, aged 30 years. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have just discovered this site - there are some ships from Scotland and certainly many names from our pages appear on the passenger lists. Regards to all Maggie Ships of the Waikato Immigration Scheme

hi all regarding farmhouses 1 drumbeg ok 2 orchardton sorbie ok 3 appleby glasserton ok 4 coffin lodge portpatrick not on recent os map 5 eldrig both no trace there is however ELDRICK 6 cothouse inch kirkcolm prob here as inch and kirkcolm are 2 sep parishes could well be in inch likely to be a cott on the LOCHINCH estate. cott houses are farmworkers cottages not to be confused with farmhouses which were normally inhabited by the owner, manager or tenant farmer. 7 balker ok part of lochinch estate all oks were found on www.mutimap pity that old maps .com is no longer free bur nls is great also www.british-history.ac.uk/map cheers derek from france -- Post-Joint : <none>.

>From Wigtown Free Press 8th March, 1900 MARRIAGES ALGIE, Peter - M30/12/1899 - At Fairmount, Neerim, Gippsland, Australia, on the 30th December, Peter Algie, farmer, to Jeannie Rodie, eldest daughter of Sam. M'Culloch, late Skaith and Balgown.<< Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 Surname: ALGIE Given Names: Peter Event: M Spouse Surname/Father: MCCULLOCH Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jeanie Rodie Birth Place: SUNBURY Year: 1899 Reg. Number: 7233 Surname: ALGIE Given Names: Roderick Event: B Sex: M Spouse Surname/Father: Peter Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jeanie Rodie MCCULLOCH Birth Place: CLIFTON HILL Death Place: Year: 1900 Reg. Number: 2149 Surname: ALGIE Given Names: Cath Rodie Event: B Sex: F Spouse Surname/Father: Peter Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Jeanie Rodie MCCULLOCH Birth Place: NEERIM Year: 1901 Reg. Number: 21309 Possibly further children born on the next CD. There were also David ALGIE who mar Elizabeth MCCULLOCH in 1898 + children, William ALGIE mar to Margaret ALGIE and Matthew ALGIE mar to Margaret CUNNINGHAM all at Neerim (these two couples could be one and the same as a son was named William Matthew). Regards Jenny

>From Wigtown Free Press 18th October, 1900 MARRIAGES BEAMISH, Richard Paul - M8/8/1900 - At Fair Mount, Neerim, South Victoria, Australia, on the 8th August, by the Rev. Wm. White, Geelong, Richard Paul Beamish, eldest son of Francis Beamish, "Rabeen", Neerim, to Kathleen Marion, sixth daughter of Samuel M'Culloch, late of Skaith.<< There are a large number of BEAMISH families registered at Werribee which is between Geelong and Melbourne. Digger - Federation Index. Victoria 1889-1901 Surname: BEAMISH Given Names: Richd Paul Event: M Sex: Spouse Surname/Father: MCCULLOCH Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Kath Marion Age: Age Code: Birth Place: WERRIBEE Death Place: Year: 1900 Reg. Number: 5501 Regards Jenny

Hi All Eldrig is the old name for Elrig village very much alive still though there are more homes used as holiday lets than ever. Use this link to search for farms and places: http://www.old-maps.co.uk/indexmappage2.aspx Just type in the nearest village and scroll around it...slow but interesting. Regards Anton

Does anyone know if the following farmhouses still exist: Orchardton Farm Sorbie Appleby Glasserton (McKerlie ref: r 521 i) Coffin Lodge Portpatrick Glentriplock (McKerlie ref: l 299 i) Eldrig Village (address given in 1841 Census for Hamilton McMeekan ) Eldrig Meikle (McKerlie ref: m2 310 i Cothouse Inch Kirkcolm (on the great McKerlie site I see that there are say, Cothouse1, Cothouse 2) also can 'cothouse' be a generic name for 'farmhouse? Balker Inch Thank you Maggie Grant ----- Original Message ----- From: "DIANA HENRY" <dianahhenry@btinternet.com> To: "sct-wigtownshire@roots" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:32 AM Subject: [WIG LIST] NEIL/M'CORQUODALE/BAIRD > >From Wigtown Free Press 8th February, 1900 > > DEATHS > NEIL, Alexander - D14/12/1899 - At Echuca, Victoria, on the 14th December > last, Alexander Neil, formerly of Stranraer, youngest son of the late > Peter Neil, farmer Wellhouse, Kikrcolm, aged 38 years > M'CORQUODALE, Hugh Stewart - D24/1/1900 - Reported on the 29th January, > 1900, killed in action, Spion Kop, on the 24th, Hugh Stewart M'Corquodale, > Lieut. "Thorneycroft's Mounted Infantry" youngest son of the late George > M'Corquodale, of Newton-Le Willows and Gladlys, Isle of Anglesey, in his > 25th year. > BAIRD, Peter - D27/1/1900 - At Orange River Hospital, on the 27th ult., of > enteric fever, Peter Baird, 1st Gordon Highlanders, youngest son of the > late Peter Baird, joiner, Kirkmaiden, aged 30 years. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

May I "pigtail" onto this and add the farm: DRUMBEG FARM just south of Kirkcowan... Thank you... Jerri ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maggie McNeill Grant" <mlg27@optusnet.com.au> To: "DIANA HENRY" <dianahhenry@btinternet.com>; "sct-wigtownshire@roots" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 6:51 PM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] FARMHOUSES > Does anyone know if the following farmhouses still exist: > > Orchardton Farm Sorbie > Appleby Glasserton (McKerlie ref: r 521 i) > Coffin Lodge Portpatrick > Glentriplock (McKerlie ref: l 299 i) > Eldrig Village (address given in 1841 Census for Hamilton McMeekan ) > Eldrig Meikle (McKerlie ref: m2 310 i > Cothouse Inch Kirkcolm (on the great McKerlie site I see that there are > say, > Cothouse1, Cothouse 2) also can 'cothouse' be a generic name for > 'farmhouse? > Balker Inch > > Thank you > Maggie Grant > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "DIANA HENRY" <dianahhenry@btinternet.com> > To: "sct-wigtownshire@roots" <Sct-Wigtownshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 1:32 AM > Subject: [WIG LIST] NEIL/M'CORQUODALE/BAIRD > > >> >From Wigtown Free Press 8th February, 1900 >> >> DEATHS >> NEIL, Alexander - D14/12/1899 - At Echuca, Victoria, on the 14th December >> last, Alexander Neil, formerly of Stranraer, youngest son of the late >> Peter Neil, farmer Wellhouse, Kikrcolm, aged 38 years >> M'CORQUODALE, Hugh Stewart - D24/1/1900 - Reported on the 29th January, >> 1900, killed in action, Spion Kop, on the 24th, Hugh Stewart >> M'Corquodale, >> Lieut. "Thorneycroft's Mounted Infantry" youngest son of the late George >> M'Corquodale, of Newton-Le Willows and Gladlys, Isle of Anglesey, in his >> 25th year. >> BAIRD, Peter - D27/1/1900 - At Orange River Hospital, on the 27th ult., >> of >> enteric fever, Peter Baird, 1st Gordon Highlanders, youngest son of the >> late Peter Baird, joiner, Kirkmaiden, aged 30 years. >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

By this date the format of the Wigtown Free Press has changed. They now put the surname first and in the case of marriages they put both names. >From the Wigtown Free Press 23rd January, 1908 DEATHS MORLAND, Margaret M'Meikan - D28/12/1907 - At Worthington, Minnesota, U.S.A. on Saturday, December 28th 1907, Margaret M'Meikan, wife of Robert L. Morland, aged 72 years. RALSTON, John - D7/1/1908 - At Louiville, Kentucky, U.S.A. on the 7th inst., John Ralston of Hampden, Logan Falls, Tasmania, and grandson of the late Mr Robert Ralston Aird, Stranraer.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: walter3mcmurray Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/734.1.1.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello ladies...my name is Robert MACMURRAY...originator of this thread...I still get notifications whenever someone posts a reply to it. I can't be much help, but I can tell what I know from the 1841 Scots Census booklets, published by the Dumfries and Galloway Family History Society in Dumfries, Scotland. I don't have all the booklets, but I checked the records for the Parish of Inch, Kirkcolm, Kirkmaiden, Stoneykirk, and Old Luce, and for Glenluce Village. There are no SHARP families listed in 1841 for any of those places. There was one family of BUYERS listed in Stoneykirk, living at Milmain, a farm farmed by Thomas MCMASTER and James and Gilbert MCHARG. They were Francis, age 30, shoemaker from Ireland; Hugh, age 5; Jane, age 30; John, age 4 and Margaret, age 7. There were several families listed in Glen Luce, which is where I found my BUYERS/BYERS/BYRES connection. As you well know the spelling of the surname depended on the person recording it. The first BUYERS family was living at Culroy, farmed by Thomas Murchie. There was Edward, age 5, from Ireland; Henry, age 7, Ireland; John, age 2; Mary, 4 months; Sarah, age 27, Ireland; and William, 28, male servant, Ireland. The second BUYERS family was living at Mains of Park, farmed by James Gibson. They were James, 5; Jean, 45; Jean, 9; Jenat, 3; John, 2; John, 45, joiner; and Robert, 10. The third BYERS family was living at Meadowpark, farmed by Robert BYERS and Anthony STROYAN. They were Robert, 35; and Robert, 70, farmer. That's all the info that I have...there are many other Parish Books for the 1841 Census. They can be purchased at www.dgfhs.org.uk, or you can ask other listers to check them for you. Happy Hunting, Robert Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MargaretMCCreadie Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1883.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: We have a John McCreadie married to a Jean templeton in Old Luce in 1749. Seem to have a lot of the first names of the Mc Creadies in the family but probably not your line Margaret Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

>From Wigtown Free Press 25th October, 1900 MARRIAGES M'CREDIE, Anthony A. - M26/9/1900 - At Greenfield, New York State, America, on the 26th ult., by the Rev. A. Schleiermacher, Anthony A. M'Credie, son of the late Capt. M'Credie, Whithorn, to Hyla Hasbronck, only daughter of David Pride, Esq.,

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnneBurton23 Surnames: McCreadie, McConnochie, McKeand, McCall, Templeton, Wilson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1883/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Searching for more info on my grandmother's family. James McCreadie married Agnes McConnochie in 1825 in Old Luce. They had 8 children, Alexander (married Jessie McKeand), James, Jane (married James McCall), Andrew (married Jane Templeton), Robert, John ,William and Elizabeth, who is my great grandmother. Her daughter Agnes Jane married James Moffat Wilson in 1905 in Glenluce and they immigrated to Saskatchewan, Canada. Any thing to further my search would be appreciated. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

>From Wigtown Free Press 18th October, 1900 MARRIAGES BEAMISH, Richard Paul - M8/8/1900 - At Fair Mount, Neerim, South Victoria, Australia, on the 8th August, by the Rev. Wm. White, Geelong, Richard Paul Beamish, eldest son of Francis Beamish, "Rabeen", Neerim, to Kathleen Marion, sixth daughter of Samuel M'Culloch, late of Skaith.

>From Wigtown Free Press 11th October, 1900 DEATHS HART-M'HARG, Major W. - D25/9/1900 - At the English Bank, Bruges, Belgium, on the 25th ult., Major W. Hart-M'Harg, late 44th Regiment, aged 85 years.

>From Wigtown Free Press 4th October 1900 BIRTHS CAMPBELL, Male - B23/9/1900 - At 52, Cohasset Street, Roslindale, Mass., Boston, U.S.A., on the 23rd ult., the wife of W. Maclean Campbell of a son.

>From Wigtown Free Press 8th March, 1900 MARRIAGES ALGIE, Peter - M30/12/1899 - At Fairmount, Neerim, Gippsland, Australia, on the 30th December, Peter Algie, farmer, to Jeannie Rodie, eldest daughter of Sam. M'Culloch, late Skaith and Balgown. DEATHS M'INTYRE, John - D26/2/1900 - At East Orange, New Jersey, on the 26th February, John M'Intyre, (Parker & M'Intyre, New York) formerly of Liverpool, aged 48 years. - ( By cable).

>From Wigtown Free Press 15th February, 1900 BIRTHS MACGILL, Male - B12/1/1900 - At Kimberley, South Africa, on the 12th ult., the wife of David MacGill, of a son. HENDERSON, Male - B14/1/1900 - At Burrow (Barrow) Street, Bulawayo, South Africa, on the 14th ult., the wife of D.D. Henderson of a son.

Thanks to Syd Hughes we now have the missing town in Canada. CUMBERLAND, Jack - In the WFP D18/1/1900 - At Maple Creek, Assiniboia, North West Territory, Canada, Jack Cumberland, loving husband of Mary Wilson. The only intimation.