Fellow Listers, My trusty Scottish dictionary shows: Forbear, forbeir, forbeer - same as forebear. Forebear (noun) - an ancestor Forbearer (noun) - 1. an ancestor 2. progenitor ` While life is relatively quiet on the WIG-site here is some trivia about Scotland and in particular including about Wigtownshire and in particular the Mull of Galloway which is in Wigtownshire whence our forebears came. The Isle of Man is approximately 18 miles (28 km) from Whithorn in Wigtownshire. Ireland is also approximately 18 miles (28 km) from Portpatrick in Wigtownshire. The extremities of Scotland are: SOUTH: The Mull of Galloway, south of Stranraer in the mildest part of Scotland, is its most southerly point. From here it is said you can see five Kingdoms - Scotland, England, Ireland, the Isle of Man and the Kingdom of Heaven! EAST: Buchan Ness is Scotland's most easterly point with the former fishing village of Boddam straddling the neck of the promontory. It is just south of Peterhead. Part of Peterhead Harbour, also claims the title. NORTH: Easter Head a point on the Dunnet Head Peninsula is the northernmost point on the British mainland. John o' Groats is at the end of the longest distance between two points on the British mainland Land's End is at the other. WEST: Corrachadh Mòr is the most westerly point on the island of Great Britain. It is a small hillock on the Ardnamurchan peninsula in Lochaber, Highland. It is about 36 kilometres (22 miles) further west than Land's End in Cornwall. Depending on which coordinates are used, this headland is 30.78 metres or 42.81 metres west of Ardnamurchan Point (about a kilometre to the north). The latter is commonly, but incorrectly, described as being the most westerly point on the peninsula. NORTH ISLANDS: Out Stack or Ootsta in Shetland, Scotland, is the northernmost point of the British Isles, lying immediately to the north of Muckle Flugga and 2.9 km (1.8 mi) north of the island of Unst. It is one of the North Isles of the Shetland Islands and lies within the Hermaness National Nature Reserve. Out Stack is little more than a rocky outcrop, and is uninhabited. It has been described as "the full stop at the end of Britain". Travellers do not meet any further land masses between there and the North Pole if heading directly north. WEST ISLANDS: Soay the St Kildan isle is the most westerly point of Scotland, it is 180 km (110 mi) west of the mainland. Rockall, is located 301 kilometres (187 mi), or 162 nmi, west of the islands of St. Kilda and 430 kms (267 mi) north-west of Donegal in Ireland and is claimed by Scotland but this is under dispute. According to my limited calculations from the tip of the Mull of Galloway to Out Stack or Ootsta in Shetland is about 550 kilometres or 340 miles. Sam Heron

I was always told by my relatives that you weren't in the Highlands, really, until you'd crossed to Skye and associated Islands. That may be a function of a higher proportion of Gaelic speakers, or of the rugged and beautiful topography. When Samuel Johnson and James Boswell toured, this was certainly considered true. -- D. B. Scott

I have always found the word forebears a bit awkward on the tongue so use ancestors or forefathers as in Forefathers' Day in Plymouth, Mass. But perhaps the term forefathers is a tad politically incorrect with its male connotations. Is there another common word in use today? Donald Main. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: 14 July 2010 00:24 To: [email protected] Subject: [WIG LIST] Forebears - Scots Word of the Week It just dawned on me that I ALWAYS refer to the people who've gone before me, further back that my grandparents, as my forebears. What other word would I use? Maisie Scots Word of the Week: FOREBEARS The first example we have is dated 1452 and comes from the Memoirs of the Maxwells of Pollok, edited by Sir William Fraser: "His ald charter gevin of the eldaris and the forebearis of the foresaide Lorde Maxwale". Forebear was in common use in Scotland in the second half of the fifteenth century, although it is not attested in English until 1623 and is rare in English thereafter. It derives, somewhat existentially, from the verb 'be' with the agent suffix -ar. So your forebear is literally someone who 'was' before you. Some of the most common enquiries to Scottish Language Dictionaries relate to family relationships, sometimes from people tracing genealogies, sometimes from new grannies looking for a traditional, child-friendly Scottish name for a guid-dame. Historically, there was a greater degree of precision in kinship terms than is customary today. Your maternal aunt was your mother's sister. Eem originally referred to a mother's brother only, was later applied to a fat! her's brother also and then extended to a familiar friend. A father's brother was your patruell or, transparently, your father's brother. Your auld uncle is your great uncle. In the direct ancestral line, the Older Scots word for grandfather was 'guidschir', which appears in a modern form in John Buchan's Huntingtower (1922): "Tam got killed about Mesopotamy, and his wife took the bairns to her guidsire up at the Garpleheid." Children's words include pawpie, tyty, auld daddy, bobbie and deydie . Grandmothers have an equally long list of appellations such as auld-mither, luckie and minnie. Further back in the family tree, a proavus could be a great grandfather or more remote ancestor whereas a foregranddame was a great, or great great, grandmother . Inverness Sheriff Court records (1543) provide four forebears for the price of one: "His . grandschyir, grandeam, for guid scher, for grandem, . or ony vtheris his predecessouris". ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Sam, It should have been The Mearns - Kincardine, so don't know how my finger skipped over the M when typing my "challenge." It's interesting the arguments that are batted back and forth about where the Highlands begin, and so as my teacher was a bit of a toffy nose from Edinburgh I always went along with the chalk and talk version she imposed on us wee lads and lassies Glesga keelies...invariably at the end of the strap! How we ever learned anything in that environment is a story in itself, including where the Lowlands began and ended then the Central Uplands, the Highlands, the East Coast, etc. One little clue to hang your hat on: you could not be considered Highland if the majority of the area was not Gaelic speaking, thus Caithness and Wick; even though those two places were at the top of the country they were considered Lowland because of language and culture. This would seem a little bit "disingenuous" if you consider that at one time Wigtownshire was Gaelic-speaking and it's at the very southernmost part of Scotland and is not cheek by jowl with the Highland line. Do we then bring in the Irish influence in both areas and consider them to be "Irish outposts?" Just anything to start a rammy!☺☺☺ Maisie

Thanks for the geography lesson, Sam. Now a challenge for you...I am Mrs. KIA (Know It All), and so I know the answers a;ready, ahem! Can you really determine the Highland line and what constitutes the Highlands? There are those, for example, who lump Kincardine - The earns - in with the Hielans. I wonder what Robert Burns' "forebears" would have thought of that when they left that airt for Edinburgh and Ayrshire! Some parts of Galloway are just as beautiful as those "other" highlands, of course! Not to mention that Gaelic was spoken in both regions. Question: was (the) Gaelic spoken in Galloway more of an Irish "brand" or similar to (the) Gaelic spoken in the Islands and Highlands? Has (the) Gaelic died out in Galloway, and how long ago would that have been if it has? There are arguments about the demarcation line between Lowlands and Highlands and Central Uplands, not to mention the east coast. I await your answer with baited breath! Maisie While life is relatively quiet on the WIG-site here is some trivia about Scotland and in particular including about Wigtownshire and in particular the Mull of Galloway which is in Wigtownshire whence our forebears came. The Isle of Man is approximately 18 miles (28 km) from Whithorn in Wigtownshire. Ireland is also approximately 18 miles (28 km) from Portpatrick in Wigtownshire. The extremities of Scotland are: SOUTH: The Mull of Galloway, south of Stranraer in the mildest part of Scotland, is its most southerly point. From here it is said you can see five Kingdoms - Scotland, England, Ireland, the Isle of Man and the Kingdom of Heaven! EAST: Buchan Ness is Scotland's most easterly point with the former fishing village of Boddam straddling the neck of the promontory. It is just south of Peterhead. Part of Peterhead Harbour, also claims the title. NORTH: Easter Head a point on the Dunnet Head Peninsula is the northernmost point on the British mainland. John o' Groats is at the end of the longest distance between two points on the British mainland Land's End is at the other. WEST: Corrachadh Mòr is the most westerly point on the island of Great Britain. It is a small hillock on the Ardnamurchan peninsula in Lochaber, Highland. It is about 36 kilometres (22 miles) further west than Land's End in Cornwall. Depending on which coordinates are used, this headland is 30.78 metres or 42.81 metres west of Ardnamurchan Point (about a kilometre to the north). The latter is commonly, but incorrectly, described as being the most westerly point on the peninsula. NORTH ISLANDS: Out Stack or Ootsta in Shetland, Scotland, is the northernmost point of the British Isles, lying immediately to the north of Muckle Flugga and 2.9 km (1.8 mi) north of the island of Unst. It is one of the North Isles of the Shetland Islands and lies within the Hermaness National Nature Reserve. Out Stack is little more than a rocky outcrop, and is uninhabited. It has been described as "the full stop at the end of Britain". Travellers do not meet any further land masses between there and the North Pole if heading directly north. WEST ISLANDS: Soay the St Kildan isle is the most westerly point of Scotland, it is 180 km (110 mi) west of the mainland. Rockall, is located 301 kilometres (187 mi), or 162 nmi, west of the islands of St. Kilda and 430 kms (267 mi) north-west of Donegal in Ireland and is claimed by Scotland but this is under dispute. According to my limited calculations from the tip of the Mull of Galloway to Out Stack or Ootsta in Shetland is about 550 kilometres or 340 miles. Sam Heron

I think it's forbearers for ancestors and forbears means to abstain, refrain from, cease. Neither of which aren't used anymore..... Barbara McLean Murrieta, CA -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Donald Main Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2010 6:16 PM To: 'Maisie Egger'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Forebears - Scots Word of the Week I have always found the word forebears a bit awkward on the tongue so use ancestors or forefathers as in Forefathers' Day in Plymouth, Mass. But perhaps the term forefathers is a tad politically incorrect with its male connotations. Is there another common word in use today? Donald Main. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: 14 July 2010 00:24 To: [email protected] Subject: [WIG LIST] Forebears - Scots Word of the Week It just dawned on me that I ALWAYS refer to the people who've gone before me, further back that my grandparents, as my forebears. What other word would I use? Maisie Scots Word of the Week: FOREBEARS The first example we have is dated 1452 and comes from the Memoirs of the Maxwells of Pollok, edited by Sir William Fraser: "His ald charter gevin of the eldaris and the forebearis of the foresaide Lorde Maxwale". Forebear was in common use in Scotland in the second half of the fifteenth century, although it is not attested in English until 1623 and is rare in English thereafter. It derives, somewhat existentially, from the verb 'be' with the agent suffix -ar. So your forebear is literally someone who 'was' before you. Some of the most common enquiries to Scottish Language Dictionaries relate to family relationships, sometimes from people tracing genealogies, sometimes from new grannies looking for a traditional, child-friendly Scottish name for a guid-dame. Historically, there was a greater degree of precision in kinship terms than is customary today. Your maternal aunt was your mother's sister. Eem originally referred to a mother's brother only, was later applied to a fat! her's brother also and then extended to a familiar friend. A father's brother was your patruell or, transparently, your father's brother. Your auld uncle is your great uncle. In the direct ancestral line, the Older Scots word for grandfather was 'guidschir', which appears in a modern form in John Buchan's Huntingtower (1922): "Tam got killed about Mesopotamy, and his wife took the bairns to her guidsire up at the Garpleheid." Children's words include pawpie, tyty, auld daddy, bobbie and deydie . Grandmothers have an equally long list of appellations such as auld-mither, luckie and minnie. Further back in the family tree, a proavus could be a great grandfather or more remote ancestor whereas a foregranddame was a great, or great great, grandmother . Inverness Sheriff Court records (1543) provide four forebears for the price of one: "His . grandschyir, grandeam, for guid scher, for grandem, . or ony vtheris his predecessouris". ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It just dawned on me that I ALWAYS refer to the people who've gone before me, further back that my grandparents, as my forebears. What other word would I use? Maisie Scots Word of the Week: FOREBEARS The first example we have is dated 1452 and comes from the Memoirs of the Maxwells of Pollok, edited by Sir William Fraser: "His ald charter gevin of the eldaris and the forebearis of the foresaide Lorde Maxwale". Forebear was in common use in Scotland in the second half of the fifteenth century, although it is not attested in English until 1623 and is rare in English thereafter. It derives, somewhat existentially, from the verb 'be' with the agent suffix -ar. So your forebear is literally someone who 'was' before you. Some of the most common enquiries to Scottish Language Dictionaries relate to family relationships, sometimes from people tracing genealogies, sometimes from new grannies looking for a traditional, child-friendly Scottish name for a guid-dame. Historically, there was a greater degree of precision in kinship terms than is customary today. Your maternal aunt was your mother's sister. Eem originally referred to a mother's brother only, was later applied to a father's brother also and then extended to a familiar friend. A father's brother was your patruell or, transparently, your father's brother. Your auld uncle is your great uncle. In the direct ancestral line, the Older Scots word for grandfather was 'guidschir', which appears in a modern form in John Buchan's Huntingtower (1922): "Tam got killed about Mesopotamy, and his wife took the bairns to her guidsire up at the Garpleheid." Children's words include pawpie, tyty, auld daddy, bobbie and deydie . Grandmothers have an equally long list of appellations such as auld-mither, luckie and minnie. Further back in the family tree, a proavus could be a great grandfather or more remote ancestor whereas a foregranddame was a great, or great great, grandmother . Inverness Sheriff Court records (1543) provide four forebears for the price of one: "His . grandschyir, grandeam, for guid scher, for grandem, . or ony vtheris his predecessouris".

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This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: swresearch Surnames: Douglas, Kennedy, Johnston, Adair, McDowell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2078/mb.ashx Message Board Post: re: CASTLE OF ST. JOHN, Stranraer. Did the "comitis a Mortoun" or his servitore, Walter Douglas, have the Castle of St. John before the Kennedy family ? Thanks. Registrum magni sigilli regum Scotorum Register of the Great Seal of Scotland - R.M.S. Vol. IV, p.257, #1153. 18 February 1556-57. (In Latin) REGINA confirmavit cartam Walteri Douglas de Fergustoun (Fargustoun in Lennox), - qua, - pro perimpletione contractus registrati in libris concilii, de data 9 Maii 1556, ac pro pecuniarum summis sibi persolutis, - vendidit (servitori regine) JACOBO KENNEDY de Auchterlour, (son of Gilbert Kennedy 2nd Earl of Cassillis) et AGNETI JOHNESTOUN (of Uchterlure) ejus conjugi, - 4 marcatas terrarum de Stronerawar (Stranraer), unam marcat. de Markslevie (Marslave in Leswalt), antiqui extentus, vic. Wigtoun :- TENEND. dictis Jac. et Agneti eorumque alteri diutius viventi in conjuncta infeodatione, et heredibus inter eos legitime procreatis, quibus deficientibus, legitimis et propinquioribus heredibus et assignatis dicti Jacobi (Kennedy) quibuscunque, de regina :- TEST. M. Tho. M'Calzane advocato coram dominis concilii, Joh. Dowglas notario publico, WALT. DOWGLAS servitore COMITIS A MORTOUN, Roberto Walker in Kilpount, Johanne Young scriba burgen de Edinburgh, Alex. Wedderburne, notariis publicis :- Apud Edinburgh, 16 Feb. 1556 xxi. 371. ............................. James and Agnes Kennedy had a daughter, Elizabeth Kennedy who m. (as her 2nd husband ?) to John Kennedy of Grenan, Creichan and Balneil, a natural son of 3rd Earl of Cassillis. Did Elizabeth Kennedy reside in the Castle of St. John, Stranraer and did any grandchildren emigrate to Ireland ? Elizabeth and John Kennedy had a son, Gilbert Kennedy of Aryewlane, Glenluce and of Creichan and Uchterlure who m. Helen Adair, dau of Ninian Adair. .............................. RETOURS OF SERVICES OF HEIRS. Vols. I, II, III. AD1544-1699. (Inquisitionum ad capellam domini regis retornatarum abbreviato.) vol. I. (Adairs were AD1608-1648) Inquisitions Speciales - Wigton. Name Index p.33, 5 April 1608. Gulielmus (William) Adair, ha'res (heir of) Niniani Adair de Kinhilt, patris (father), in 5 libratis terrarum de Kinhilt antiqui extentus; 10 libratis terrarum ejusdem extentus de Portrie, cum castro (castle) de Dunskey, in parochia de Inche ; 4 mercatis terrarum de Stranraver, 1 mercatis terrarum de Marslave, in parochia de Leswalt ; - 5 mercatis terrarum de Kildonnan antiqui extentus ; 5 mercatis terrarum de Drummoir, 5 merc. Corghie, 2-1/2 merc. Cardryne 5 merc. Creichen, 16 sol. 8 denariatis Mulknok, 16 sol. 8 den. Carnegirroch in Par. Kirkmadyne unitis in bar. Kinhilt. A.E. 35 L. NE 105 L. - Portu et burgo bar. Stranraver : - A.E. 6sol. 8 den. N.E. 20 sol. 6 merc. Maynis de Saulsett in Par. Saulsett. E. 18 m. etc feudifirmae iv.201 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Dear All, the Castle of St. John in Stranraer will reopen this month for visitors after an extensive refurbishment.  There is also an ongoing project to the Castle Green which will be a wonderful centre for the town.  At the moment it is a bit of an inconvenience but will be worth the wait. Diana Henry

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: swresearch Surnames: Adair, Touchet, Black, Paterson Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2076.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: re: Rev. James Black m. Isabella Paterson. There was a Patrick Adair who, from memory, may have had a dau or daus who m. Mr. Black / Mr. Paterson in Ireland, and there was possibly a court case noted in the on-line index to "The Belfast Newsletter". Will of PATRICK ADAIR, merchant, of London, England, Belfast, Ireland, & Curghie / Corgie, Kirkmaiden, Wigtownshire, Scotland. 25th April 1758 I, Patrick Adair of London merchant being of sound mind and judgment and in good health (.....) (....) God do by this my last will and testament dispose of the effects I shall (&) possess of at the time of my decease in manner and form following after the payment of my just debts and funeral charges Vixt. I give and bequeath to my mother Jane Adair of Belfast the sum of five hundred pounds Irish money ITEM I give and bequeath to my sister in Law Sarah (Grier ?) wife of John Grier merchant in London and to her four children Mary Ann Sarah (..) John and Elizabeth Grier to each the sum of one hundred pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to my cousin Jane Mc Murray of Stranraer in Scotland widow of the late Thomas Mc Murray of Hammersmith the sum of one hundred pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to my cousin Ann Anderson of Belfast widow of the late Reverend .............. Anderson of Kirkmaiden in Galloway the sum of one hundred pounds Irish money. ITEM I give and bequeath to Mary Adair of London widow of my late cousin Alexander Adair of London the sum of one hundred pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to the Reverend Doctor Samuel ( Chandler ) of the Old Jewry London the sum of one hundred pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to the Reverend (.............) Townsend of Stoke (...ington) Middlesex the sum of fifty pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to the Reverend (..........) (............) of (......ington) (........) Middlesex the sum of fifty pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to my partner (Jeremiah ?) Stokes of London merchant the sum of one hundred pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to my partner Christian ( Wague ?) of London merchant the sum of fifty pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to our clerk (Harris ?) Gibson of London the sum of thirty pounds ITEM I give bequeath to our apprentice John Stokes of London the sum of twenty pounds. ITEM I give and bequeath to our porters John (......) and John (Dolbe ?) both of London to each the sum of twenty pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to our porter Thomas (.....) of London or to any other porter (who may) have in his stead at my (.....) the sum of ten pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to my servant Sarah (.....) the sum of thirty pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to my servants Elizabeth Radford and Mary (.....) to each the sum of twenty pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to Elizabeth Barrett and John (....her ) if in my service at the time of my decease or to any other household servant or servants I may have at the time of my decease to each the sum of ten pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to the Presbyterian fund in London for poor Ministers in the County the sum of one hundred pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to the fund in London for the widows and children of dissenting ministers the sum of fifty pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to the fund for the widows and children of dissenting ministers in Ireland the sum of fifty pounds Irish money. ITEM I give and bequeath to the poor of Belfast the sum of one hundred pounds Irish money to be distributed at the discretion of my mother Jane Adair and my brother James Adair both of Belfast ITEM I give and bequeath to the incorporated Society in Dublin for promoting English protestant schools in Ireland the sum of fifty pounds Irish money ITEM I give and bequeath to the (.........) at Warington in Lancashire the sum of fifty pounds ITEM I give and bequeath to my bother James Adair merchant in Belfast the sum of fifty pounds Irish money for mourning ITEM I give and bequeath to my mother-in-law Mary Touchet my brothers-in-law Thomas Touchet Peter Touchet and Samuel Taylor and my sister-in-law Elizabeth Touchet all of Manchester to each the sum of twenty pounds for mourning ITEM I give and bequeath to my brothers-in-law John Touchet of Manchester Samuel Touchet of London and John (Grier ?) of London merchants to each the sum of fifty pounds for mourning ITEM I give and bequeath to my cousins William Adair of Pall Mall and Robert Adair of (Dover ?) Street London and to my partner Robert (.....son) of London merchant to each the sum of twenty pounds for mourning and to my cousin Christian Mr. Dowall (McDowell) of Great Pulteney Street London the sum of twenty pounds for mourning ITEM I give and bequeath to my daughters Jane Adair and Margaret Adair the residue and remainder of all my estate and effects both real and personal which I shall do possess of after paying all the aforesaid legacies to be equally divided between them share and share alike, except my real estate of CURGIE (Corgie, Parish of Kirkmaiden, Wigtownshire) in Galloway in Scotland which is left to my father the late James Adair of Belfast merchant his will to my brother James Adair of Belfast merchant and to his heirs male in case I should die without male issue subject to the following annuitys all of which are to be served and paid out of the same Vizt. fifty pounds Irish money per annum my half of one hundred Irish money per annum left by my late brother William Adair of London merchant his will to my mother Jane Adair of Belfast to be paid her in Belfast by my brother James Adair of Belfast and (...) in two moietys or equal payments Vizt. on every first day of May and on every first day of November during her natural life and five pounds per annum Irish money to Ann p.3. etc. This will was proved at London the twenty eighth day of March in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and sixty four before the worshipful William (Marham ?) Doctor of Laws and surrogate of the Right Worshipful Sir Howard Simpson, Knight, Doctor of Laws, Master (..............) Commissary of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury lawfully constituted by the Oaths of James Adair the brother of the deceased, John (Grier ?) and Jeremiah Stokes three of the executors named in the said will to whom administration was granted of all and singular the goods chattels and (credits ?) of the said deceased having been first sworn only to administer power reserved of making the (life grant ?) to Samuel Touchet Esquire the other executor mentioned in the said will when he shall apply for the same. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: swresearch Surnames: Kennedy, Adair, McDowell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1866.2.2.6/mb.ashx Message Board Post: National Archives of Scotland. GD141/162. 11 Dec 1647 Letters of Inhibition at the instance of Patrick McDowell of Creichane versus Gilbert Kennedy of Ariuland, grandson and heir to the deceased John Kennedy of Creichane, anent the contracts between dec'd John McDowell of Logane and the said deceast John Kennedy of Creichane. In 1642 Gilbert Kennedy of Arioland was retoured heir to John Kennedy of Creichane his grandfather in the : 4 merkland of Stranrawer 1 merkland of Markslane 5 merkland of Creichane 2 merkland of Cardryne and in Mulknok, Kerngirroch, Over and Netha Clennerris, Glentirro, Kildinane (Kildonan) and Drumore (Drummore Castle). [Inquis. Spec.] .................................................... Correspondence of Sir Patrick Waus. http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924091787618#page/n242/mode/1up p.261. 30 Dec 1577. William Adar (Adair) of Kenhilt (Kinhilt) and Hew Kennedy of Achterlure / Ochterlure. Also spelt Ochtrelure, Uchtrelure, Uchtrelure, Auchtrilure, Auchtralure, Auchterlour. ......................... Pigots and Co.'s national commercial directory of the whole of Scotland (1837), p.793 - STRANRAER, and the parishes of Inch, Kirkcolm & Leswalt. (short extract : ) In the centre of the town stands a building, originally a castle. Once the residence of the family of Kennedy of Chapel and Chrychan (Creichan) ; in the year 1614 it was inhabited by John Kennedy, of Grennan, Ayr (and of Creichan, Kirkmaiden, Wigtownshire, and of Ochterlure / Auchterlour) and Elizabeth his wife, then Lady Auchtriloer; the lands of Auchtriloor are immediately contigeous to the burgh of Stranraer. ...................... Seeking other siblings of Gilbert Kennedy (son of Helen Adair) who was heir to his grandfather in 1642. I am not sure if Helen Adair, daughter of Ninian Adair, and sister of William Adair married Gilbert Kennedy earlier than 1603. Thankyou Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: swresearch Surnames: Kennedy, Adair, McDowell Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1866.2.2.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: National Archives of Scotland. GD141/162. 11 Dec 1647 Letters of Inhibition at the instance of Patrick McDowell of Creichane versus Gilbert Kennedy of Ariuland, grandson and heir to the deceased John Kennedy of Creichane, anent the contracts between dec'd John McDowell of Logane and the said deceast John Kennedy of Creichane. In 1642 Gilbert Kennedy of Arioland was retoured heir to John Kennedy of Creichane his grandfather in the : 4 merkland of Stranrawer 1 merkland of Markslane 5 merkland of Creichane 2 merkland of Cardryne and in Mulknok, Kerngirroch, Over and Netha Clennerris, Glentirro, Kildinane (Kildonan) and Drumore (Drummore Castle). [Inquis. Spec.] .................................................... Correspondence of Sir Patrick Waus. http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924091787618#page/n242/mode/1up p.261. 30 Dec 1577. William Adar (Adair) of Kenhilt (Kinhilt) and Hew Kennedy of Achterlure / Ochterlure. Also spelt Ochtrelure, Uchtrelure, Uchtrelure, Auchtrilure, Auchtralure, Auchterlour. ......................... Pigots and Co.'s national commercial directory of the whole of Scotland (1837), p.793 - STRANRAER, and the parishes of Inch, Kirkcolm & Leswalt. (short extract : ) In the centre of the town stands a building, originally a castle. Once the residence of the family of Kennedy of Chapel and Chrychan (Creichan) ; in the year 1614 it was inhabited by John Kennedy, of Grennan, Ayr (and of Creichan, Kirkmaiden, Wigtownshire, and of Ochterlure / Auchterlour) and Elizabeth his wife, then Lady Auchtriloer; the lands of Auchtriloor are immediately contigeous to the burgh of Stranraer. ...................... Seeking other siblings of Gilbert Kennedy (son of Helen Adair) who was heir to his grandfather in 1642. I am not sure if Helen Adair, daughter of Ninian Adair, and sister of William Adair married Gilbert Kennedy earlier than 1603. Thankyou Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Penny and Jo-Ann, I have a Samuel BLACK who married an Eliza REID before/circa 1771. He lived on Auchencloy Farm in Stoneykirk Parish in 1804 when their daughter Martha BLACK (b c1777) married Peter/Patrick DOUGLAS of Wood of Dervaird Farm in Old Luce Parish. Samuel and Eliza may have lived in Ireland for some time as some of their children stated that they were born in Ireland in the 1841 census. I am wondering if this family be related to your Rev James BLACK. Maybe Samuel snr was a brother of Rev James BLACK? Apart from Martha (b c1777), other children born to Samuel and Eliza would appear to have been: -Samuel (b c1771 perhaps in Ireland, d 18 Mar 1847 in Stranraer) who was Merchant of Stranraer and magistrate and treasurer of the Burgh. I don't think he married but a Jean AGNEW aged 25 was residing with him in 1841. -James (b ?) who could have been the shoemaker living in Bridge St Stranraer in 1841 OR the farmer living in High Barness Kirkinner in 1841. His wife may have been Jean AGNEW if he was the shoemaker. -William (b c1781) Esq. JP, who married Isabella DOUGLAS of Two Mark Farm Stoneykirk in 1806. William died in 1846 in George St Stranraer. Their children were Jane, Isabella, William, Samuel, Elizabeth, Rachel, Margaret Anne, Joanna Douglas, Jessie Agnes. -Mary(?) who married Robert McNILLIE in 1798 in Stoneykirk. -Janet(?) who married John AGNEW in 1803 ( marriage registered in Portpatrick and Stoneykirk parishes.) Perhaps the Jean AGNEW aged 25 who was living with Samuel jnr was their daughter... Regards, Ailsa -----Original Message----- From: sct-wigtownshire-bo[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 7 July 2010 7:32 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Reverend James Black - Minister of Penninghame This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jecroft Surnames: BLACK Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2076.1/ mb.ashx Message Board Post: >From the Fastie Ecclesiae Scoticanae, Vol 2, pages 374-375 JAMES BLACK, born 1754, son of John B. ; educated at Univ. of Edinburgh ; licen. by Presb. of Wig town 27th July 1784 ; pres. by John, Earl of Galloway, Oct. 1794 ; ord. 23rd April 1795 ; died 10th May 1820. He marr. 16th Oct. 1780, Isabella Paterson, who died 18th July 1814, and had issue John, writer, Wigtown, born 13th Sept. 1787, died 17th Dec. 1854 ; Elizabeth, born 1st Dec. 1789 (marr. William Dill, writer, Newton - Stewart), died 3rd Oct. 1864; William, physician, Bolton, born 21st April 1792, died 18th Jan. 1820; Edward, D.D., min. of St Paul s (Church of Scotland), Mon treal, born 10th Dec. 179:3, died 9th May 1845 ; Janet, born 2nd Aug. 1795 (marr. her father s successor), ; James, born 2nd Aug. 1798, died 20th Nov. 1814; Isabella, born 8th Nov. 1801, died 22nd Feb. 1868; David, born 5th May 1803, died at New Orleans, May 1840 ; George, born 5th Aug. 1807, died 21st May 1839 ; Samuel, banker, Glasgow, born 31st Aug. 1809, died 6th Oct. 1864. ---- Jo-Ann Croft Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Thursday, 8 July 2010 9:52 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Reverend James Black - Minister of Penninghame This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pennyblack56 Surnames: Black Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2076.1. 1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for that detail on his family. We have been trying to locate his birth/origin for a number of generations now. Unfortunately the Mochrum records appear to have been destroyed. We have recently discovered that he had a brother Peter who died in November 1808 but we have not had any luck locating a record of his birth or death either. Would you know where the records of the Earl of Galloway would be stored? Penny Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Fraochale Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2077.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: The National Archives of Scotland has many of the records of the Earls of Galloway. Here is but an example GD138 Papers of the Stewart family, Earls of Galloway (Galloway Charters) 1330-1820. There are also many other records as well that pertain to the Lords of Galloway at the National Archives so if you go to this site http://www.nas.gov.uk/onlineCatalogue/ type in Earls or Lords Galloway you should get about 76 hits or so of records. Of course to use them youhave to go to Edinburgh but not like that is a chore if you live there or you can pay some one to look for you if you don't live there. Jody Allen Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pennyblack56 Surnames: Black Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2077/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone know the repository for the papers of the Earls of Galloway? Penny Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pennyblack56 Surnames: Black Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2076.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you for that detail on his family. We have been trying to locate his birth/origin for a number of generations now. Unfortunately the Mochrum records appear to have been destroyed. We have recently discovered that he had a brother Peter who died in November 1808 but we have not had any luck locating a record of his birth or death either. Would you know where the records of the Earl of Galloway would be stored? Penny Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Source: [email protected] Subject: [CORNISH] West Briton, 22 August 1851, BMDs WEST BRITON AND CORNWALL ADVERTISER 22 AUGUST 1851 BIRTHS ... At Barrachan, Penningham, on the 4th instant, the wife of Mr. Andrew McFADYEAN, of Penzance, of a son. ... Julia Mosman, OPC for St.Austell,Charlestown, and Treverbyn Website at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~staustell W. Briton newspaper transcripts at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~wbritonad Please visit the OPC website at http://cornwall-opc.org

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jecroft Surnames: BLACK Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2076.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: >From the Fastie Ecclesiae Scoticanae, Vol 2, pages 374-375 JAMES BLACK, born 1754, son of John B. ; educated at Univ. of Edinburgh ; licen. by Presb. of Wig town 27th July 1784 ; pres. by John, Earl of Galloway, Oct. 1794 ; ord. 23rd April 1795 ; died 10th May 1820. He marr. 16th Oct. 1780, Isabella Paterson, who died 18th July 1814, and had issue John, writer, Wigtown, born 13th Sept. 1787, died 17th Dec. 1854 ; Elizabeth, born 1st Dec. 1789 (marr. William Dill, writer, Newton - Stewart), died 3rd Oct. 1864; William, physician, Bolton, born 21st April 1792, died 18th Jan. 1820; Edward, D.D., min. of St Paul s (Church of Scotland), Mon treal, born 10th Dec. 179:3, died 9th May 1845 ; Janet, born 2nd Aug. 1795 (marr. her father s successor), ; James, born 2nd Aug. 1798, died 20th Nov. 1814; Isabella, born 8th Nov. 1801, died 22nd Feb. 1868; David, born 5th May 1803, died at New Orleans, May 1840 ; George, born 5th Aug. 1807, died 21st May 1839 ; Samuel, banker, Glasgow, born 31st Aug. 1809, died 6th Oct. 1864. ---- Jo-Ann Croft Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pennyblack56 Surnames: Black Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2076/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am searching for details of the ancestors of James Black (1754-1826) and his brother Peter Black who died in 1808. The earliest record of James Black is the fact that he witnessed the Defeat and Funeral of Thurot near Mochrum in Galloway in 1760 and attended the funeral of Thurot. This is recorded in Trains History of the Isle of Man, written in 1844. Penny Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.