Hi Iain, Very many thanks for pointing out this web site. It's a great place to find out how the system worked for Scots BMD records, and not without its surprises! http://www.gla.ac.uk/departments/scottishwayofbirthanddeath/ Crawford.

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I sent Dick Eastman's post to several lists. This followup may be of interest. >On Jul 22, 2010, at 7:28 PM, Mary Richardson wrote: >How cool is this? >> >>Mary >> >>http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/07/scots- >>breakthrough-in-helping-families-go-back-to-their-roots.html > >Very > >The real break through, though is not in what they are proposing, but >what's implied---very very cheap DNA tests---such that you can >economically do millions of markers, not tens of markers. > >Once we've reached that stage things will become very different in >the world of genealogy. There will be little question about who's >related to whom. We'll be able to describe with considerable >accuracy how everyone is related to each other---we may not know the >names of the respective common ancestors, but we'll know roughly how >we descend from those common ancestor. I can see the software coming >now. Feed the DNA in for a bunch of people, and it will generate a >family "connectedness" tree that shows roughly how everyone relates >to each other---- > >Once we've gotten to that stage, the demands on genealogists will >change mightily---just as we've gotten a leg up on many families real >relations through YDNA testing---casting out the confusions in that >single male line of descent, we will be able to do the same for >anyline of descent.

The Fordbank which newly opened between Sorbie and Wigtown is great but a little pricey. The Bladnoch Inn recks of cigerette smoke. The Crown and the Bruce in Newton Stewart are fine. The Bruce is newly remodeled. On Jul 22, 2010, at 9:48 PM, [email protected] wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: visiting next month in search of Rennies - thank you! > (Diana Harris) > 2. RE TIGH NA MARA (Diana Henry) > 3. HANNAH (Diana Henry) > 4. MCLEAN (Diana Henry) > 5. Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter: Scots Breakthrough in > Helping Families Go Back to Their Roots (Mary Richardson) > 6. Jane Adams: born 1 Nov 1825, Garlieston, and Margaret McGarva > Adams, born about 1805 (Gary Gaertner) > > From: "Diana Harris" <[email protected]> > Date: July 22, 2010 3:41:16 AM CDT > To: "ailsa158" <[email protected]>, "'Gallahill'" <[email protected]>, "'Wigtownshire List'" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies - thank you! > Reply-To: Diana Harris <[email protected]> > > > Grateful thanks to the many kind people who have replied to my message and given us lots of ideas for eating and sightseeing - nearly everyone mentioned the Bladnoch Inn! We're looking forward to our visit very much, and certainly won't go hungry. > > Joining WigList has been one of the best bits about investigating my family - you're a wonderful group. > > Warm regards to all > > Diana Harris > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "ailsa158" <[email protected]> > To: "'Gallahill'" <[email protected]>; "'Wigtownshire List'" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:03 AM > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies > > >> I cannot wait to get back to Wigtownshire after that list, Fiona! >> >> Also thanks for the reminder that the inn in Sandhead is called Tigh na >> mara. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ailsa >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Gallahill [mailto:[email protected]] >> Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2010 8:42 PM >> To: ailsa158; 'Wigtownshire List' >> Subject: RE: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies >> >> A bit closer to Wigtown is the Clansman in Port William (you need to book >> but its excellent) The Steam Packet in the Isle of Whithorn (again you may >> have to book?) The Crown in Newton Stewart, Bladnoch Inn (Bladnoch is on the >> outskirts of Wigtown) and the Creebridge again in Newton Stewart. Both the >> Crown in Newton and the Baldnoch Inn are owned by the same people and food >> in both is good. In fact food is good in all of the above I've done a bit >> of research and sampling in the past year! >> The Tig as its known locally in Sandhead, the Tighnamara, is still owned by >> the Fishers and is an excellent place to eat at any time of day. There is >> also an excellent tea room in Sandhead called Woodlea, does good home >> baking. The tea room with the view that you have to visit is Ghallie Craig >> at the Mull of Galloway,Drummore, its just before you come to the light >> house which is another good visiting place. >> >> Hope this gives you some food for thought >> Fiona in sunny (yes its just come out!) Stranraer >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of ailsa158 >> Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:56 AM >> To: 'Diana Harris'; 'Wigtownshire List' >> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies >> >> >> Hi Diana, >> >> We have not been to Wigtownshire for two years (we live in Sydney Australia) >> but at that time the locals were flocking to the Sandhead Inn in Sandhead, >> Stoneykirk Parish. We had chosen to stay there because my forebears (that >> word again!) had owned it in the 1830s. We had no idea how good the food >> would be until we tried it on the first night. We ended up eating there for >> 6 out of seven nights. The chef had taught the owner how to cook so every >> meal was good even when it was the chef's day off. >> >> I suggest you check it is still going well since there may be new owners >> etc. >> >> Regards, >> >> Ailsa >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [email protected] >> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diana Harris >> Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2010 3:09 AM >> To: Wigtownshire List >> Subject: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies >> >> Dear All >> >> We will be staying B&B in Wigtown for 4 days at the beginning of August, and >> we're very much looking forward to visiting the places where my Rennie >> family lived for many generations and seeing some archive records and >> memorials first-hand. >> >> Can anybody who knows the area recommend places to eat in the evening? >> (Practical considerations!) >> >> Many thanks >> >> Diana >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > From: Diana Henry <[email protected]> > Date: July 22, 2010 5:08:56 AM CDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WIG LIST] RE TIGH NA MARA > > > TIGH NA MARA - House by the Sea, I believe. > Or even"the Tig" Fiona.! > Diana Henry > > > > > > > From: Diana Henry <[email protected]> > Date: July 22, 2010 5:27:58 AM CDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WIG LIST] HANNAH > > >> From "The Way We Were" >> From Stranraer and Wigtown Free Press 22 July, 2010 > > July 16th, 1885 > Garlieston > On Sabbath afternoon Alexander Hannah, about two years of age, fell into the > mill lade and was drowned. On him being taken from the water, every effort was > made by Dr McBryde, who happened to be in the place to restore animation, but > without success. > > > > > > > > From: Diana Henry <[email protected]> > Date: July 22, 2010 5:33:45 AM CDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WIG LIST] MCLEAN > > >> From Stranraer and Wigtown Free Press July 22, 2010 > "The Way We Were" > July 19th, 1860 > Early on Saturday morning last, as the smack Hertford, of Belfast, was passing > Lochryan en route to Glasgow, the attention of one of the crew was suddenly > directed to the master, Matthew McLean, by his giving a deep moan; on going to > his assistance he found that he was dead. The mate at once brough the vessel > into Cairnryan bay, and came to Stranraer to give particulars of the sad event. > From the investigation which Dr Fleming made of the case, we learn that deceased > had been in delicate health and under medical treatment for some time, and that > the cause of death valvular disease of the heart. Mr McLean is a native of > Stranraer, and leaves a widow. His remains were brought on shore, and interred > in Leswalt churchyard on Sabbath. > > > > > > > From: Mary Richardson <[email protected]> > Date: July 22, 2010 6:27:58 PM CDT > To: "Mail list: WIG" <[email protected]> > Subject: [WIG LIST] Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter: Scots Breakthrough in Helping Families Go Back to Their Roots > > > How cool is this? > > Mary > > http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/07/scots-breakthrough-in-helping-families-go-back-to-their-roots.html > > > > > From: Gary Gaertner <[email protected]> > Date: July 22, 2010 9:47:44 PM CDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WIG LIST] Jane Adams: born 1 Nov 1825, Garlieston, and Margaret McGarva Adams, born about 1805 > > > Hello: > I am a new lister, and I would be extremely grateful for any suggestions. > My direct ancestor, Jane Adams, stated that she was born on 1 Nov 1825 in > Garlieston. The grave stone still clearly shows the date of birth, and I > spent many years in research, until I found the mention of Garlieston in an > old local church record. Jane's mother was Margaret McGarva Adams, who was > born in about 1805, based upon her age stated in the one time her name was > found in a United States census in 1860. Thus far, I have found no mention > of any of them in any record in Scotland. > > According to one of her granddaughters in a last interview in 1984, Margaret > McGarva Adams worked as a school teacher in Scotland. I have found a record > from Garlieston in 1831 listing someone named John McGarva as a private > schoolteacher in Garlieston. Presumably he was some sort of relative of > Margaret McGarva Adams. The foregoing is all of the 'hard' information that > we have. > > The more general family legend is as follows. A prominent Pennsylvania > Judge, who was born in Scotland, decided to bring a good Scottish Protestant > teacher to the United States for his children. At that time, the best > schools in Pittsburgh were operated by Catholics. Margaret McGarva Adams > was a widow, and decided to move to the United States with two children to > accept the job. Her daughter Jane traveled with Margaret, married here in > Pittsburgh and lived on a farm until she died at age 75 early in 1901. > However, the legend is that Margaret's son James died on a subsequent > Atlantic ship crossing, which he was required to work in order to pay off > his travel fare.The legend is that Margaret's husband was also known as > James Adams, though many suspect that the names of the son and the husband > were confused. > > I have looked at some LDS records with no luck. I understand that the Old > Parish Registers may not be complete. However, it seems strange to me that > nothing has been found: no birth record for Margaret, no marriage record for > Margaret, no birth record for Jane, no birth record for any other child. > Does anyone have any ideas? It is pure speculation, but I have wondered > whether Margaret and her children moved to Garlieston to obtain employment > at the school, after Margaret's husband had died. > > Jane Adams married here in 1853 although the actual marriage record is > missing from the civil records. Jane Adams had eight children, twenty-four > grandchildren, and many more descendants after them. The family here in the > U.S. would like to know whether Jane and her mother left any family behind > in Scotland, and whether anything more about the ancestry can be found. We > would be happy to find a place to start. We have only found one written > record showing that Margaret McGarva Adams ever existed, and that is the > U.S. census from 1860. > > In June 30, 1886, Jane Adams entered the following lines in beautiful > hand-writing in her daughter Sarah's autograph book: "To Sarah, Time is the > sand of life, And when we waste a grain, And wish to get it back, We can but > wish in vain. From your loving mother". > > My greetings to all of you. I would be very grateful if you could give me > any suggestions or assistance. I would be happy to extend the same courtesy, > and assist anyone who might want a "look up" here in Pittsburgh in > southwestern Pennsylvania. Thank you. Gary Gaertner > > -- > ============================================================================================================================== > Gary J. 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Hello: I am a new lister, and I would be extremely grateful for any suggestions. My direct ancestor, Jane Adams, stated that she was born on 1 Nov 1825 in Garlieston. The grave stone still clearly shows the date of birth, and I spent many years in research, until I found the mention of Garlieston in an old local church record. Jane's mother was Margaret McGarva Adams, who was born in about 1805, based upon her age stated in the one time her name was found in a United States census in 1860. Thus far, I have found no mention of any of them in any record in Scotland. According to one of her granddaughters in a last interview in 1984, Margaret McGarva Adams worked as a school teacher in Scotland. I have found a record from Garlieston in 1831 listing someone named John McGarva as a private schoolteacher in Garlieston. Presumably he was some sort of relative of Margaret McGarva Adams. The foregoing is all of the 'hard' information that we have. The more general family legend is as follows. A prominent Pennsylvania Judge, who was born in Scotland, decided to bring a good Scottish Protestant teacher to the United States for his children. At that time, the best schools in Pittsburgh were operated by Catholics. Margaret McGarva Adams was a widow, and decided to move to the United States with two children to accept the job. Her daughter Jane traveled with Margaret, married here in Pittsburgh and lived on a farm until she died at age 75 early in 1901. However, the legend is that Margaret's son James died on a subsequent Atlantic ship crossing, which he was required to work in order to pay off his travel fare.The legend is that Margaret's husband was also known as James Adams, though many suspect that the names of the son and the husband were confused. I have looked at some LDS records with no luck. I understand that the Old Parish Registers may not be complete. However, it seems strange to me that nothing has been found: no birth record for Margaret, no marriage record for Margaret, no birth record for Jane, no birth record for any other child. Does anyone have any ideas? It is pure speculation, but I have wondered whether Margaret and her children moved to Garlieston to obtain employment at the school, after Margaret's husband had died. Jane Adams married here in 1853 although the actual marriage record is missing from the civil records. Jane Adams had eight children, twenty-four grandchildren, and many more descendants after them. The family here in the U.S. would like to know whether Jane and her mother left any family behind in Scotland, and whether anything more about the ancestry can be found. We would be happy to find a place to start. We have only found one written record showing that Margaret McGarva Adams ever existed, and that is the U.S. census from 1860. In June 30, 1886, Jane Adams entered the following lines in beautiful hand-writing in her daughter Sarah's autograph book: "To Sarah, Time is the sand of life, And when we waste a grain, And wish to get it back, We can but wish in vain. From your loving mother". My greetings to all of you. I would be very grateful if you could give me any suggestions or assistance. I would be happy to extend the same courtesy, and assist anyone who might want a "look up" here in Pittsburgh in southwestern Pennsylvania. Thank you. Gary Gaertner -- ============================================================================================================================== Gary J. Gaertner Attorney at Law Phelan Hallinan & Schmieg, LLP Omni William Penn Office Tower 555 Grant Street, Suite 360 Pittsburgh, PA 15219 Voice: 412-745-0600 ext 1521 Facsimile: 412-745-0601 Mobile: 412-667-2600 Business E-Mail: [email protected] Personal E-Mail: [email protected] Personal Voice: 412-992-7656 IRS Circular 230 Disclosure: United States Treasury Regulations provide that a taxpayer may rely only on formal written advice meeting specific requirements to avoid federal tax penalties. Any tax advice in the text of this message, or in any attachment, does not meet those requirements and, accordingly, is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, by any recipient to avoid any penalties that may be imposed upon such recipient by the Internal Revenue Service. IMPORTANT/CONFIDENTIAL: Electronic mail is privileged by the Electronics Privacy Act, 18 USC 2510-2521. 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How cool is this? Mary http://blog.eogn.com/eastmans_online_genealogy/2010/07/scots-breakthrough-in-helping-families-go-back-to-their-roots.html

I cannot wait to get back to Wigtownshire after that list, Fiona! Also thanks for the reminder that the inn in Sandhead is called Tigh na mara. Regards, Ailsa -----Original Message----- From: Gallahill [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2010 8:42 PM To: ailsa158; 'Wigtownshire List' Subject: RE: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies A bit closer to Wigtown is the Clansman in Port William (you need to book but its excellent) The Steam Packet in the Isle of Whithorn (again you may have to book?) The Crown in Newton Stewart, Bladnoch Inn (Bladnoch is on the outskirts of Wigtown) and the Creebridge again in Newton Stewart. Both the Crown in Newton and the Baldnoch Inn are owned by the same people and food in both is good. In fact food is good in all of the above I've done a bit of research and sampling in the past year! The Tig as its known locally in Sandhead, the Tighnamara, is still owned by the Fishers and is an excellent place to eat at any time of day. There is also an excellent tea room in Sandhead called Woodlea, does good home baking. The tea room with the view that you have to visit is Ghallie Craig at the Mull of Galloway,Drummore, its just before you come to the light house which is another good visiting place. Hope this gives you some food for thought Fiona in sunny (yes its just come out!) Stranraer -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of ailsa158 Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:56 AM To: 'Diana Harris'; 'Wigtownshire List' Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies Hi Diana, We have not been to Wigtownshire for two years (we live in Sydney Australia) but at that time the locals were flocking to the Sandhead Inn in Sandhead, Stoneykirk Parish. We had chosen to stay there because my forebears (that word again!) had owned it in the 1830s. We had no idea how good the food would be until we tried it on the first night. We ended up eating there for 6 out of seven nights. The chef had taught the owner how to cook so every meal was good even when it was the chef's day off. I suggest you check it is still going well since there may be new owners etc. Regards, Ailsa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diana Harris Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2010 3:09 AM To: Wigtownshire List Subject: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies Dear All We will be staying B&B in Wigtown for 4 days at the beginning of August, and we're very much looking forward to visiting the places where my Rennie family lived for many generations and seeing some archive records and memorials first-hand. Can anybody who knows the area recommend places to eat in the evening? (Practical considerations!) Many thanks Diana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Grateful thanks to the many kind people who have replied to my message and given us lots of ideas for eating and sightseeing - nearly everyone mentioned the Bladnoch Inn! We're looking forward to our visit very much, and certainly won't go hungry. Joining WigList has been one of the best bits about investigating my family - you're a wonderful group. Warm regards to all Diana Harris ----- Original Message ----- From: "ailsa158" <[email protected]> To: "'Gallahill'" <[email protected]>; "'Wigtownshire List'" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 1:03 AM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies >I cannot wait to get back to Wigtownshire after that list, Fiona! > > Also thanks for the reminder that the inn in Sandhead is called Tigh na > mara. > > Regards, > > Ailsa > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gallahill [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2010 8:42 PM > To: ailsa158; 'Wigtownshire List' > Subject: RE: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies > > A bit closer to Wigtown is the Clansman in Port William (you need to book > but its excellent) The Steam Packet in the Isle of Whithorn (again you may > have to book?) The Crown in Newton Stewart, Bladnoch Inn (Bladnoch is on > the > outskirts of Wigtown) and the Creebridge again in Newton Stewart. Both > the > Crown in Newton and the Baldnoch Inn are owned by the same people and food > in both is good. In fact food is good in all of the above I've done a bit > of research and sampling in the past year! > The Tig as its known locally in Sandhead, the Tighnamara, is still owned > by > the Fishers and is an excellent place to eat at any time of day. There is > also an excellent tea room in Sandhead called Woodlea, does good home > baking. The tea room with the view that you have to visit is Ghallie > Craig > at the Mull of Galloway,Drummore, its just before you come to the light > house which is another good visiting place. > > Hope this gives you some food for thought > Fiona in sunny (yes its just come out!) Stranraer > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of ailsa158 > Sent: Wednesday, July 21, 2010 12:56 AM > To: 'Diana Harris'; 'Wigtownshire List' > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies > > > Hi Diana, > > We have not been to Wigtownshire for two years (we live in Sydney > Australia) > but at that time the locals were flocking to the Sandhead Inn in Sandhead, > Stoneykirk Parish. We had chosen to stay there because my forebears (that > word again!) had owned it in the 1830s. We had no idea how good the food > would be until we tried it on the first night. We ended up eating there > for > 6 out of seven nights. The chef had taught the owner how to cook so every > meal was good even when it was the chef's day off. > > I suggest you check it is still going well since there may be new owners > etc. > > Regards, > > Ailsa > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diana Harris > Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2010 3:09 AM > To: Wigtownshire List > Subject: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies > > Dear All > > We will be staying B&B in Wigtown for 4 days at the beginning of August, > and > we're very much looking forward to visiting the places where my Rennie > family lived for many generations and seeing some archive records and > memorials first-hand. > > Can anybody who knows the area recommend places to eat in the evening? > (Practical considerations!) > > Many thanks > > Diana > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

>From Stranraer and Wigtown Free Press July 22, 2010 "The Way We Were" July 19th, 1860 Early on Saturday morning last, as the smack Hertford, of Belfast, was passing Lochryan en route to Glasgow, the attention of one of the crew was suddenly directed to the master, Matthew McLean, by his giving a deep moan; on going to his assistance he found that he was dead.  The mate at once brough the vessel into Cairnryan bay, and came to Stranraer to give particulars of the sad event.  From the investigation which Dr Fleming made of the case, we learn that deceased had been in delicate health and under medical treatment for some time, and that the cause of death valvular disease of the heart.  Mr McLean is a native of Stranraer, and leaves a widow.  His remains were brought on shore, and interred in Leswalt churchyard on Sabbath.

>From "The Way We Were" >From Stranraer and Wigtown Free Press 22 July, 2010 July 16th, 1885 Garlieston On Sabbath afternoon Alexander Hannah, about two years of age, fell into the mill lade and was drowned. On him being taken from the water, every effort was made by Dr McBryde, who happened to be in the place to restore animation, but without success.

TIGH  NA  MARA - House by the Sea, I believe. Or even"the Tig" Fiona.! Diana Henry

This Day in Scottish History July 21, 2010 It was on this day in 1796 the Scotland's beloved bard, Robert Burns died in Dumfries. Burns was only 37 years old at the time of his death. The cause of death appears to have been heart failure, probably brought on by the hard physical work done in his youth. His widow, Jean Armour, gave birth to a son on the day of her husband's funeral. However, Maxwell, named after Burns's doctor, died in infancy. Such A Parcel Of Rogues In A Nation 1791 Fareweel to a' our Scottish fame, Fareweel our ancient glory; Fareweel ev'n to the Scottish name, Sae fam'd in martial story. Now Sark rins over Solway sands, An' Tweed rins to the ocean, To mark where England's province stands- Such a parcel of rogues in a nation! What force or guile could not subdue, Thro' many warlike ages, Is wrought now by a coward few, For hireling traitor's wages. The English stell we could disdain, Secure in valour's station; But English gold has been our bane- Such a parcel of rogues in a nation! O would, or I had seen the day That Treason thus could sell us, My auld grey head had lien in clay, Wi' Bruce and loyal Wallace! But pith and power, till my last hour, I'll mak this declaration; We're bought and sold for English gold- Such a parcel of rogues in a nation! -------------------------------------------------------------------------- It was on this day in 1827 that the Scottish publisher Archibald Constable died. Born in Cambee, Fife, Constable was responsible for printing many of Sir Walter Scott's works, Constable was the owner of the Encyclopaedia Britannica for a decade and was responsible for the commissioning of the 6th edition.

Hi Diana, We have not been to Wigtownshire for two years (we live in Sydney Australia) but at that time the locals were flocking to the Sandhead Inn in Sandhead, Stoneykirk Parish. We had chosen to stay there because my forebears (that word again!) had owned it in the 1830s. We had no idea how good the food would be until we tried it on the first night. We ended up eating there for 6 out of seven nights. The chef had taught the owner how to cook so every meal was good even when it was the chef's day off. I suggest you check it is still going well since there may be new owners etc. Regards, Ailsa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Diana Harris Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2010 3:09 AM To: Wigtownshire List Subject: [WIG LIST] visiting next month in search of Rennies Dear All We will be staying B&B in Wigtown for 4 days at the beginning of August, and we're very much looking forward to visiting the places where my Rennie family lived for many generations and seeing some archive records and memorials first-hand. Can anybody who knows the area recommend places to eat in the evening? (Practical considerations!) Many thanks Diana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: karpek Surnames: Parker Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1994.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: to Simply Diann, did you ever find out if my William and your James Parker were brothers? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Dear All We will be staying B&B in Wigtown for 4 days at the beginning of August, and we're very much looking forward to visiting the places where my Rennie family lived for many generations and seeing some archive records and memorials first-hand. Can anybody who knows the area recommend places to eat in the evening? (Practical considerations!) Many thanks Diana

Hi, I subscribed to the Wigtownshire list about 8 or 9 years ago I think. Since then I've been very lucky with finding my Fleming information in Australia but still no further advanced with their origins in Wigtownshire. I thought I'd have another try. My ggg grandparents were Andrew Fleming and Ellen/Helen Findlay/Finlay/Finley. When Ellen Fleming died in Australia in 1885 she was at the home of her grand daughter. I realise that death information is not always accurate but it is all I have to go on for parents names. The grand daughter was informant on the death certificate giving Ellen's name as "Ellenorah Douglas Finley Flemming" and her age as 94 years. The age is most probably incorrect as the passenger details on Andrew, Ellen and their 6 children's arrival in Australia states Ellen was 38 years of age in 1848. Also I have Ellen in the 1841 census, age 35, at Penninghame with the 5 older children but no husband there on census night. I found in 1841, a probable Andrew Fleming, Ag lab at Creech, Sorbie and another at Whithorn, occupation mason. I think the one at Sorbie is the best bet so far. Andrew Fleming's death in Australia has not been found (that I know of yet) by any family researcher and there have been quite a few of us over the years, so we have no idea of parents names. Ellen's birthplace is given as Galloway and parents on her death cert were given as William Finley/Finlay (hard to read) labourer and Marion Finley formerly Bride. I recently found the OPRs for Penninghame online and noticed the surname Brydson and I'm wondering if that could have been Marion's actual surname. Another researcher was given Andrew and Ellen/Helen's OPR marriage on this list years ago as Feb 1828 Penninghame. Their first child (in case naming pattern was used) was my gg grandfather, William Finlay Fleming b abt 1831 (although he was either a stretcher of the truth or forgot :) always claimed he was 20 odd years older. The ship list in 1848 had his age as 17 years. In 1841 census his age given as 12 years. Then came Ann born abt 1833, Ellen/Helen born abt 1836, Mary Ann/Marion born abt 1838, James born about 1840 and Andrew (from ship list) born about 1844. Am I likely to be able to find any new information do you think? Any suggestions welcome Kerryn in Oz

A member of my family, Robert McTaggart, was involved in a "riot" and as a result stood trial. My ggggrandfather noted these details: "It was the time of the French War and there was to be a militia drafted. Some young men suspecting that there would not not be fair play as the Sheriff McConnell was known to be rebellious ..... Robert, a man named Carnecham and some more men interrupted the Sheriff and some officers sitting in the (Wigtown) Court House engaged in the drafting. The rioters closed the doors and windows of the court house and stopped the drafting. A body of soldiers arrived from Newton Stewart and the draft conducted under the supervision of the Captain of the regiment. Robert and Carnecham were taken to Ayr where they stood trial for and acquited of rioting." Where we I go looking to confirm this story? Regards, Steve Sydney, Australia.

Hi my name is Richard McGarva I am researching the McGarva family tree,i have hit a brick wall with a JAMES MCGARVA born 1769 unknown birth place but was living and married in MINNIGAFF Kirkudbrighrshire....Would like to know his father and mother were,he did marry a Margaret Findlay..... Richard McGarva ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 21, 2010 10:00 PM Subject: SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 101 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Scots Proverbs (Maisie Egger) > 2. Re: Alexander & Janet (Rodie) DALRYMPLE -- of Old Luce > ([email protected]) > 3. Re: McConnochie Information ([email protected]) > 4. Re: Heron family (Irene Hanasand) > 5. MIDDLE NAMES (Diana Henry) > 6. Re: MIDDLE NAMES (Alexr) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 14:25:06 -0700 > From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> > Subject: [WIG LIST] Scots Proverbs > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Well, if we all paid attention to THAT particular proverb about not > starting something unless we can finish it, we'd never even begin our > genealogy hunting, now would we? > > I'm all the way back to my great-great grandfather William Clint, b. 1792 > (Kelton, KKBT), and I think I may have his parents and grandparents, so I > have started what I hope some day to finish, but CAN I, that's the > question. > > I know, I'm taking this a bit out of context, but sometimes those proverbs > can be a bit defeating, ses I. Maisie > > Scots Proverb: > > > "Raise nae mair deils nor ye can lay" === Don't start something you > can't finish. (This word "lay" should really be lig.) > > nae mair = no more > > deils = devil; a bit; nothing at all; not at all, or in this context > "anything". > > nor = than; although; if; that;...such as 'deil nor' little would one care > although.... > > lig = to talk much; gossip; to lag or fall behind; used of ewes: to bring > forth; to lie; recline; to lodge; to know carnally; to lay, let, lie. > > > > Also, how about: > > Byde weill, betyde weill: Everything comes to him who waits. > > byde = bide (wait) > > betyde = betide (to happen; come to; to come to pass; befall > > weill = well; very, quite; prosperity, happiness > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 08:22:39 -0000 > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Alexander & Janet (Rodie) DALRYMPLE -- of Old > Luce > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: memeweaver > Surnames: Dalrymple, McConnell > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/723.3/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Do you have dates for when they were active? > > I have ancestor James Dalrymple (born New Luce, 14/3/1724) married Martha > McConnell in 1755, with daughter Janet born 11/6/1755. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 08:52:00 -0000 > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] McConnochie Information > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: memeweaver > Surnames: Kerr, McConchie > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/228.295.1/mb.ashx > > Message Board Post: > > I have an ancestor Agnes McConchie born about 1750, but I know nothing > about her other than that she and her husband Robert KERR produced twins, > also Robert & Agnes on 26/8/1777 in Stranraer. > > I've not found OPR listings for the birth of either parent or their > marriage. > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link > above and respond on the board. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 12:31:32 +0100 > From: "Irene Hanasand" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Heron family > To: <[email protected]>, "'Margaret McDowall'" > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi Margaret, > Just saw your comments on the Heron family. I am getting myself confused > and > wonder if you can clarify for me because I now have 3 Letitias! > > My great great grandmother was Ann Heron daughter of Ann Thompson who had > a > sister 1)Letitia b1811 and a daughter 2)Letitia b1840 and a niece > 3)Letitia > b1842. > > Can I ask, where you have said > > 'She died 1st May 1885 in Mochrum. her husband at the time is William > Dodd's > who remarried Mary McMaster and didn't die until 1914. They had 4 children > the third of them being Annie McLelland Dodds' > > Am I right that the 'she' is the 3)Letitia b1842 and the niece of my Anne? > (her brother William's daughter) If so are you saying that when the > husband > William Dodd remarried it was he and Mary McMaster who had the 4 children > the third of which was Annie McLelland Dodds? You see this is where I am > confused as McClelland was 3)Letitia's mother's maiden name. > OR > Are you saying that it was 3)Letitia and William Dodd who had the 4 > children > before she died and he remarried? > OR > Are those 4 children a mixture of 3)Letitia and Mary McMasters to William > Dodds? > > Ditto your Whew! > > I would be so grateful if you can decipher all this and set me straight > and > also, if you have them, share with me the details of these 4 children you > speak of. Also are these your ancestors too...where do you fit in? > > Warm Wishes > Irene > Wales UK > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Margaret > McDowall > Sent: 18 June 2010 22:01 > To: Jo-Ann Croft; Wigtownshire List > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Heron family > > Hello again > > Ok I've sorted it now.? Letitia Heron who married William?McCreadie is the > aunt of Letitia Heron who married William Dodds.... whew!! > > Her mother is Ann Thompson?- silly me!! > ? > Margaret McDowall > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Margaret McDowall <[email protected]> > To: Margaret McDowall <[email protected]>; Jo-Ann Croft > <[email protected]>; > Wigtownshire List <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, 18 June, 2010 21:04:14 > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Heron family > > > I have a real problem now as I've just picked up this William and?Letitia > in > the 1871 census, which now leads me to believe that there must be?2 > Letitia's > > William is 69 still a house carpenter living at Grocer's shop Mochrum > with him is Letitia aged?66 > Nicholas Johnston aged 26 > John?McCreadie aged 21 > Elizabeth McCreadie aged 19 > > Ho hum! > ? > Margaret McDowall > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Margaret McDowall <[email protected]> > To: Jo-Ann Croft <[email protected]>; Wigtownshire List > <[email protected]> > Sent: Fri, 18 June, 2010 20:44:26 > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Heron family > > Hello > > Have just picked up on this thread and I've another bit to add to > Letitia's > story.? I actually didn't have her married to?William McCreadie but I do > have her death!! > > She died 1st May 1885 in Mochrum. her husband at the time is William > Dodd's > who remarried Mary McMaster and didn't die until 1914. They had 4 children > the third of them being Annie McLelland Dodds > ? > Margaret McDowall > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Jo-Ann Croft <[email protected]> > To: Wigtownshire List <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, 15 June, 2010 14:31:05 > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Heron family > > Irene, > > When I looked at the HERON marriages in Mochrum on familysearch, it showed > quite a few in the same time period as Anne's. This included a Letitia > Heron > with father William,?which fit with Anne's family.? So I took a chance on > scotlandspeople and looked for deaths of Heron's in Mochrum before 1900.? > While I didn't find Letitia's, I did find a William who seems to be a > sibling of Anne's.? He married Ann Walker McCLELLAN on 19 January 1832 in > Mochrum.? > > 1876 Death Register, Parish of Mochrum, County of Wigtown > Page 2 > > #6 William HERON, shoemaker, widower of Ann McCLELLAND > Age: 67 years > Died:? 3 February 1876, Port William > Parents:? William HERON, mason, deceased, and Ann Heron m.s. THOMPSON, > deceased > Informant:? Hugh Heron, son > > I will forward the register page image to you. > > ----- > Jo-Ann Croft? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ? ? ? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 03:57:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Diana Henry <[email protected]> > Subject: [WIG LIST] MIDDLE NAMES > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Dear List, > Does anyone know why in the 19th century large families only one child?has > a middle name? > Diana Henry > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 21:19:42 +0100 > From: Alexr <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] MIDDLE NAMES > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > In article <[email protected]>, > Diana Henry <[email protected]> wrote: >> Dear List, Does anyone know why in the 19th century large families only >> one child has a middle name? > > Is the middle name a 'surname'? Possibilities include the person the child > is named after has died (eg Elizabeth Ross Bell, after her recently > decease aunt Elizabeth Christie Bell or Ross; Elizabeth Christie Bell > herself was named after her paternal grandmother Elizabeth Christie, who > had died a good few years earlier) or to emphasise or differentiate who > the child is named after (eg James Young Bell, after the family physician > James Young). Alternatively, the person who they are named after has two > forenames. Or the parents just could not decide which of two names to > choose and gave both. > > Alex. > > -- > o-+-+-o [email protected] > /'o'\ The Acorn StrongArm RiscPC > '---' - a real windows computer. > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 101 > ************************************************

Hi Steve This must have been the High Court of Judiciary on circuit. Records should be held in West Register House, Edinburgh. Best wishes Ian Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve McTaggart Sent: 14 July 2010 12:22 To: [email protected] Subject: [WIG LIST] Trial Records. A member of my family, Robert McTaggart, was involved in a "riot" and as a result stood trial. My ggggrandfather noted these details: "It was the time of the French War and there was to be a militia drafted. Some young men suspecting that there would not not be fair play as the Sheriff McConnell was known to be rebellious ..... Robert, a man named Carnecham and some more men interrupted the Sheriff and some officers sitting in the (Wigtown) Court House engaged in the drafting. The rioters closed the doors and windows of the court house and stopped the drafting. A body of soldiers arrived from Newton Stewart and the draft conducted under the supervision of the Captain of the regiment. Robert and Carnecham were taken to Ayr where they stood trial for and acquited of rioting." Where we I go looking to confirm this story? Regards, Steve Sydney, Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello everyone! I now live in the Mull of Kintyre and this is considered the Highlands and indeed everything comes under the heading of 'highland region'   Margaret McDowall ________________________________ From: D. B. Scott <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 14 July, 2010 16:10:16 Subject: [WIG LIST] The Highlands I was always told by my relatives that you weren't in the Highlands, really, until you'd crossed to Skye and associated Islands. That may be a function of a higher proportion of Gaelic speakers, or of the rugged and beautiful topography. When Samuel Johnson and James Boswell toured, this was certainly considered true. -- D. B. Scott ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message