Dear everybody. I've been investigating a James Blain who was a schoolmaster in Inch before becoming a revenue officer in 1797. He ended up in Dundee - I've put some things about him on my webpage about Blains in Inch. Now somebody's got in touch and I'm trying to find out more. He wasn't one of 'mine' but there might be a connection somewhere - I'm investigating all the James Blains in and around Inch at that time! In Dundee he became the Tide Surveyor, a customs officer. I found him in the 1841 census there, though haven't found him in 1851. There is a gravestone in Dundee which used to be legible, and which mentions two of his sons (John and William). Another son, James Hamilton Blain, became a customs officer in Aberdeen before retiring to Dundee again, and there's a testament which I haven't yet seen. I've posted on the Angus list a bit of earlier history on James Blain, starting in Inch parish, so here it is below too. He belongs in both areas! Hope you like it! Jenny -------- James Blain became schoolmaster in Cairn of Inch in Wigtownshire, got a girl named Margaret Begg pregnant in 1797*, joined the revenue cutter Prince William Henry** (master James Hamilton), married Mary Earl in Inch parish in 1798, being noted as Clerk on the cutter at that time, had various children born in various places including Bute, Leith, Monifieth and Dundee, and eventually as Tide Surveyor lived in the Seagate in Dundee. In the 1841 census he's given as age 60 and is probably on the older side of that age range (60-64-ish). *The child was named Peter Blain, and it's his birth that started me investigating this James out of interest. There's an interesting set of entries in the Inch, Wigtownshire Kirk Session minutes, including a letter from James expressing his sorrow at his 'sin'. ** The cutter Prince William Henry, master James Hamilton, was granted letters of marque around the time of Trafalgar. I don't of course know if James Blain was still associated with it but it seems quite possible. -- World's winds bending trees: breaths of all those who have lived flow now on the wind.

Sent from Janette's iPad On 16 Oct 2010, at 02:01, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Dr. A. W. JAMIESON / Kirkmaiden & S. Moline, Illinois > (Mary Richardson) > 2. Re: Dr. A. W. JAMIESON / Kirkmaiden & S. Moline, Illinois > (telford BM) > 3. Re: Duchra variants/Lindsays/Dewar etc (betty TELFORD) > 4. full link (betty TELFORD) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:59:19 -0400 > From: Mary Richardson <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Dr. A. W. JAMIESON / Kirkmaiden & S. Moline, > Illinois > To: "Mail list: WIG" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed > > Thanks to Diana for unearthing Dr. JAMIESON's WFP death notice. I > found related notes transcribed at > http://darrel-betty-hagberg.com/Genealogy/Jamieson/notes.html. > Provided by Darrel and Betty Hagberg, they are part of the Hagbergs' > JAMIESON > research: > http://darrel-betty-hagberg.com/Genealogy/Jamieson/surnames.html. A > photo of Dr. Alexander Wallace JAMIESON appears prominently on this page. > > I've copied and pasted the following notes exactly as they appear > online. The Alexander Wallace JAMIESON tree at > http://darrel-betty-hagberg.com/Genealogy/Jamieson/d0000/g0000077.html#I488 > is hyperlinked to them via H55. > > I'm not related, so please contact the Hagbergs at [email protected] > if you'd like further information. > > > [H55] Alexander went to Rock Island High School. He then attended Mt. > Morris College before he left for Edinburgh, Scotland to attend > medical school. > > His first medical office was located on 17th Street on the other side > of the tracks in downtown Moline in one of the 3 big red brick houses > located there. The cellar of this house was rumored to have been an > underground railroad for run-away slaves during the Civil War. Later, > the family had a house and office near the current location of the > Moline Dispatch. The house had a widow's walk on top. But his > parents wanted him to live on the farm and be in charge of it. So the > family moved to the farm. They extended the house and added a nice > porch on the front. All the Jamieson's would alway congregate there. > They had a Strawberry festival at the end of the season and would > make homemade ice cream. > > When Alexander died in 1897, his wife Norah stayed on the farm alone > > From: Passenger Lists: New York 1820-1850 FTM Family Archive #273 > Alexander Jameson, Male, Age 3, country of origin Great Britain, > Family number 30097603, ship name: Swantin, Port of departure, > Liverpool, port of arrival: New York, Arrival Date Aug 9, 1842. > National Archives Series 237, Microfilm no. 50 > > Obituary > Dr. A.W. Jamieson > A Well-Known Old Settler of Rock Island County Passes to His Rest ? > Age, Only Fifty Years ? The Death of Capt. Dickens Recalled (Excerpts) > July 12, 1889 > Moline Review Dispatch > > Dr. A.W. Jamieson, of Richwood Farm, South Moline township, who has > been afflicted with dropsy of the pericardium known more generally > though not so correctly as dropsy of the heart for some time past, > finally passed away at 2:15 on Monday afternoon > > He was born in England Feb. 25, 1839, and was consequently but 50 > years, 4 months and 13days of age. He came to Rock Island county when > but two years of age (in 1841) with his father Gilbert Jamieson, who > died April 14, 1874. In his youth, the now deceased doctor went back > across the water to get an education and he graduated tat Edinburgh > University, Scotland, in 1865, as an M.C. It was while in Great > Britain to get his education that he married Miss Nora Helen Murphy, > of Derby, England. Two children were born to them before he again > returned to this country, and located immediately in Moline in the > old Browning & Entrikin house on Sixteenth street. > > His mother still survives, and lives close to the Jamieson residence > in South Moline. He also has one sister living in Nebraska, Margaret > Eley, who formerly resided in Moline. He had a brother and sister his > seniors, and one brother his junior. There were seven in the family > but the others died when quite young, in England. > > He leaves, besides his mother and sister mentioned above, his wife > and nine children, three sons and six daughters: Guy, 23; Norman H., > 22; and Earl, 12. The daughters are: Ada, 20; Blanche, 18; Nora, 16; > Louise, nearly 15; Clara, 10; Gracie, 6. He also has a sister-in-law > in Kansas who formerly lived here, Mrs. Ann Jamieson. > > The funeral occurred on Tuesday afternoon at 8 o?clock. The services > were held from the Bowlesburg church, the Rev. C.L. Morgan officiating. > > > At 02:42 PM 10/14/2010, Diana Henry wrote: >> From Wigtown Free Press 8th August, 1889 >> Deaths. >> "At Richmond Farm, South Moline, Illinois, U.S.A. on the 7th ult., A.W. >> Jamieson, Esq., M.D. late of Drummore, Kirkmaiden, aged 50 years." > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 23:33:48 +0100 > From: "telford BM" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Dr. A. W. JAMIESON / Kirkmaiden & S. Moline, > Illinois > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Rather off topic, apologies, I wondered if the Rock Island there is the one > made famous by Lonnie Donegan/Johnny Cash's recordings: "The Rock Island > Line"? > Betty >> >> >> [H55] Alexander went to Rock Island High School. He then attended Mt. >> Morris College before he left for Edinburgh, Scotland to attend >> medical school. >> >> His first medical office was located on 17th Street on the other side >> of the tracks in downtown Moline in one of the 3 big red brick houses >> located there. The cellar of this house was rumored to have been an >> underground railroad for run-away slaves during the Civil War. Later, >> the family had a house and office near the current location of the >> Moline Dispatch. The house had a widow's walk on top. But his >> parents wanted him to live on the farm and be in charge of it. So the >> family moved to the farm. They extended the house and added a nice >> porch on the front. All the Jamieson's would alway congregate there. >> They had a Strawberry festival at the end of the season and would >> make homemade ice cream. >> >> When Alexander died in 1897, his wife Norah stayed on the farm alone >> >> From: Passenger Lists: New York 1820-1850 FTM Family Archive #273 >> Alexander Jameson, Male, Age 3, country of origin Great Britain, >> Family number 30097603, ship name: Swantin, Port of departure, >> Liverpool, port of arrival: New York, Arrival Date Aug 9, 1842. >> National Archives Series 237, Microfilm no. 50 >> >> Obituary >> Dr. A.W. Jamieson >> A Well-Known Old Settler of Rock Island County Passes to His Rest ? >> Age, Only Fifty Years ? The Death of Capt. Dickens Recalled (Excerpts) >> July 12, 1889 >> Moline Review Dispatch >> >> Dr. A.W. Jamieson, of Richwood Farm, South Moline township, who has >> been afflicted with dropsy of the pericardium known more generally >> though not so correctly as dropsy of the heart for some time past, >> finally passed away at 2:15 on Monday afternoon >> >> He was born in England Feb. 25, 1839, and was consequently but 50 >> years, 4 months and 13days of age. He came to Rock Island county when >> but two years of age (in 1841) with his father Gilbert Jamieson, who >> died April 14, 1874. In his youth, the now deceased doctor went back >> across the water to get an education and he graduated tat Edinburgh >> University, Scotland, in 1865, as an M.C. It was while in Great >> Britain to get his education that he married Miss Nora Helen Murphy, >> of Derby, England. Two children were born to them before he again >> returned to this country, and located immediately in Moline in the >> old Browning & Entrikin house on Sixteenth street. >> >> His mother still survives, and lives close to the Jamieson residence >> in South Moline. He also has one sister living in Nebraska, Margaret >> Eley, who formerly resided in Moline. He had a brother and sister his >> seniors, and one brother his junior. There were seven in the family >> but the others died when quite young, in England. >> >> He leaves, besides his mother and sister mentioned above, his wife >> and nine children, three sons and six daughters: Guy, 23; Norman H., >> 22; and Earl, 12. The daughters are: Ada, 20; Blanche, 18; Nora, 16; >> Louise, nearly 15; Clara, 10; Gracie, 6. He also has a sister-in-law >> in Kansas who formerly lived here, Mrs. Ann Jamieson. >> >> The funeral occurred on Tuesday afternoon at 8 o?clock. The services >> were held from the Bowlesburg church, the Rev. C.L. Morgan officiating. >> >> >> At 02:42 PM 10/14/2010, Diana Henry wrote: >>> From Wigtown Free Press 8th August, 1889 >>> Deaths. >>> "At Richmond Farm, South Moline, Illinois, U.S.A. on the 7th ult., A.W. >>> Jamieson, Esq., M.D. late of Drummore, Kirkmaiden, aged 50 years." >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:49:22 +0100 (BST) > From: betty TELFORD <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Duchra variants/Lindsays/Dewar etc > To: DONNA AITKEN <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected], Colin Moffat > <[email protected]>, [email protected], Gordon & Hazel > Crammond <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > hi Donna: to continue?my Australian theme, there's also a?place name Deuchar in > Queensland ! > > However in answer to your query, thank you, ?I don't think I can do better than > to recommend a read of this, for all curious people?like me?- > hope you find it interesting?:- > > <<the name, which may interest the curious : ? Dequhar. Deughar. Dewchare. > Dowchar. Deuchair. Deugher. Dewquhar. Dowgar. Deuchar. Deuhqwhyr. Docher. > Duchar. ... > www.ebooksread.com/.../page-22-the-history-and-traditions-of-the-land-of-the-lindsays-in-angus-and-mearns-with-vre.shtml? > > ? > ?I am copying this to several of our ClanMoffat members including our > genealogist, as there are several mentions of William de Montealto and family > whose name relates to our Clan. > ? > Just watching, as I write this, the?impressive Scottish display at Delhi > heralding the next Commmonwealth Games. Alex Salmond is there watching, they > said he has been there most of the?week. > > ? > Betty > ?? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: DONNA AITKEN <[email protected]> > To: BETTY TELFORD <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Sent: Thu, 14 October, 2010 15:54:11 > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Duchra variants > > My ancestors were Duchars spelt that way or Deuchar or Ducker- they were from > Perthshire- would that name have derived from Duchra? > Donna > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: BETTY TELFORD <[email protected]> > Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:06 am > Subject: [WIG LIST] Duchra variants > To: [email protected] > >> While I was searching (just out of curiosity) on the internet I >> found so many >> versions in so many places: ?Dockray, Dochray (Castle) Duchra >> (Marsh), in >> Scotland, Ireland, Australia? (wherever people emigrated), >> ?frequent surname >> variations,?including Docwra. ?I was?surprised how many seagoing >> vessels through >> the?years had the name, including a modern?American ship. We FH >> researchers are >> often reminded to?watch for differentiation, particularly?in >> earlier times when >> many of the population could not read or write and much?was >> passed down by word >> of mouth.? >> Betty >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT- >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 16:56:54 +0100 (BST) > From: betty TELFORD <[email protected]> > Subject: [WIG LIST] full link > To: [email protected], Colin Moffat > <[email protected]>, Gordon & Hazel Crammond > <[email protected]>, [email protected], DONNA AITKEN > <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Donna:? if?that link is broken, try the full link and scroll down for Deuchar > etc. > > http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/andrew-jervise/the-history-and-traditions-of-the-land-of-the-lindsays-in-angus-and-mearns-with-vre/page-22-the-history-and-traditions-of-the-land-of-the-lindsays-in-angus-and-mearns-with-vre.shtml > > > Betty > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of SCT-WIGTOWNSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 133 > ************************************************

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: theta100 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2085.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There is a members tree on Ancestry for Albert born 1857. He married Elizabeth Reid 30 Nov 1886 Stranraer, they had 9 children up to 1902 in Wgt. Albert died 13 June 1837 age 77 Kirkcolm and Elizabeth died 17 Feb 1937 age 70 also Kirkcolm. His father John died 6 April 1906 age 83 Stranraer and mother Mary MgGreaghan died 13 July 1912 age 88 Stoneykirk. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jecroft Surnames: LOGAN Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2085.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Here they are in the 1861/71/81/81 census records. 1861 Scotland Census Household Members: Name Age John Logan 32 Mary Logan 30 (maiden name McGRICHAN) John Logan 10 James Logan 8 William Logan 7 Albert Logan 5 (b. 23 Jan 1857 Portpatrick) Mary Logan 2 (b. 25 Jan 1859 Portpatrick) (All these children shown born in Ireland.) -------------------------- 1871 Scotland Census Household Members: Name Age John Logan 45 Mary Logan 42 John Logan 20 James Logan 18 Mary Logan 12 Margret Ann Logan 10 (b. 11 May 1861 Portpatrick) ------------------------ 1881 Scotland Census Household Members: Name Age John Logan 56 Mary Logan 53 John Logan 30 Mary Logan 21 Margaret Logan 18 ------------------------------ 1891 Scotland Census Household Members: Name Age John Logan 68 Mary Logan 62 John Logan 40 Margaret Ann Logan 27 James Logan 9 (son of Margaret Ann) Janet Potts 21 (servant) ------------------------------ Jo-Ann Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: D_Lamirand Surnames: Logan/Baillie Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2085/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Mary Logan B/1860 in Portpatrick Wigtownshire. D/1943 Crewkerne somerset.Married Robert Baillie Nov 16/1883 in Portpatrick Wigtownshire.Mary had a sister Margaret B/1863 and a brother B/1851.Parent's John B/1825 and Mary Logan B/1828 in Ireland. Any information about this family would be wonderful.Thank you Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

The Normanton area is a very desolate part of far north Queensland- typical of the Australian outback - so it is not hard to imagine that a traveler might die of dehydration. Creeks there are predominantly dry until the wet season when the experience flash floods. I think it was last year or perhaps the year before that flooding was significant. As well as being a goldfield, Croydon was a flourishing community and there is a cemetery there and I am pretty sure they have a museum so you might find someone to do a lookup if you contact them. The following link is interesting.Croydon's founder was fro Croydon in UK. http://queenslandplaces.com.au/croydon-and-croydon-shire If you have ancestors on the Croydon goldfields you might also check the Charters Towers area which was by far the richest field in the district and many prospectors ended up there. Lisa McMurray Manager, Fraser Health, Mental Health and Addictions Abbotsford Regional Hospital PH: 604 851-4700 X 646409 BB: 604 613 - 4164 Fax: 604 851-4826 ********************************************************** >Important Notice. The information contained in this message is confidential, only for the intended recipient identified above, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, copy or disseminate it. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender or by telephone and delete the original message and all copies. Thank you. > >

In addition to the NLA for Australian Newspapers the Ryerson index is another good resoure.. http://ryersonindex.net/search.php Lisa McMurray Manager, Fraser Health, Mental Health and Addictions Abbotsford Regional Hospital PH: 604 851-4700 X 646409 BB: 604 613 - 4164 Fax: 604 851-4826 ********************************************************** >Important Notice. The information contained in this message is confidential, only for the intended recipient identified above, and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, do not read, copy or disseminate it. If you have received this in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the sender or by telephone and delete the original message and all copies. Thank you.

Fellow Listers, We all are interested in where our ancestors originated in particular those of us now living overseas. Two children of Scottish born parents made the news in Australia this week. A major event was the Canonisation of Mary MacKillop as a Saint which took place in Rome yesterday. She is Australia's first Saint. Her parents were both born in Scotland. Also Dame Joan Alston Sutherland, OM, AC, DBE born 7 November 1926 and who died on10th October 2010 was born to Scottish born parents in Sydney, New South Wales Australia. Dame Joan was described as one of the great opera voices of the 20th century. Her father, William McDonald Sutherland was born in Portskerra in Sutherland, the northernmost county of Scotland. He was a master tailor who would make his own kilts. Her Scottish mother, Muriel, was a mezzo-soprano. Scotland can be proud of her off-spring. Sam Heron, Brisbane, Australia

I know that it is not directly to do with Wigtown, but here in Australia many people celebrated the Canonisation of Mary MacKillop as a Saint in the Roman Catholic Church today. While i am an Anglican, I have been friends of and worked with Mary's sisters for 40 years. While in Scotland last year my wife and I had a few meals of Haggis, neeps and tatties and a wee dram at the Ben Nevis Hotel in Fort William. This hotel was once owned by Mary MacKillop's grandparents. Her mother lived there. My son Andrew (Drummer) and I (Piper) piped Mary's Western Australian Sisters of St Joseph along Mouat Street in Fremantle today to Notre Dame University for the telecast of the canonisation ceremony in Rome. ...David Murray

Fascinating posting and research I agree and thank you for all that information and its interest. As both of my sons were born in Croydon (Surrey) I first searched for a goldfield of that name. Isn't the internet marvellous? a hearty thank you to all who "dig up" these historical treasures for the records. B. << 1. A REVIEW OF GOLD MINERALIZATION IN Adobe PDF - View as html ... Mt CooIon 3.4.5 Highway 3.4.6 Pajingo 3.5 THE "KIDSTON" PROVINCE 3.5.1 Croydon goldfield 3 ... by the pervasive regional folding (see below). 1.5: LACHLAN TERRANE IN NEW SOUTH WALES ...www.ga.gov.au/servlet/BigObjFileManager?bigobjid=GA14069 2. Kathleen Mary Burrow : About New South Wales ... 18 April 1899 at Mudgee, New South Wales ... she died on 20 May 1987 at Croydon ... née Ray, who was born in New South Wales. From their dirt-floored cottage at the goldfield ...about.nsw.gov.au/collections/doc/kathleen-mary-burrow - Cached 3. Sir James Burns : About New South Wales ... accept his monopoly of the trade of Normanton and thus later of the Croydon goldfield. ... P. V. Vernon (ed), The Royal New South Wales Lancers, 1885-1860 (Syd, 1961); P. Yeend ...about.nsw.gov.au/collections/doc/sir-james-burns - Cached 4. InvestSMART.com.au - Upcoming Floats Centius’ projects are located in New South Wales and Queensland within established ... Croydon Goldfield produced 686,300 oz gold @ 29.4 g/t Au, and 482,100 oz of silver ...www.investsmart.com.au/affiliates/floatfactscompany... - Cached 5. Normanton As a result of the Croydon goldfield's demise in 1906 the Gulflander has not made a ... series of humorous paintings on the barroom walls, and the Bank of New South Wales ...www.theage.com.au/travel/travel-factsheet/normanton...>>

What a very interesting and informative post. There are a number of items that interest me and I am following them up. Regards ----- This is a forwarded message ---------------------------------------- From: "Ailsa Dee" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Received: 14/10/2010 2:11:29 PM Subject: [WIG LIST] Just a thought: A new resource for British & Americanresearchers; & M'Lean / McLean late of Duchra / Dochra's death Like others over the past week, I was inspired by Diana Henry's posting on 6 Oct 2010 to hunt around for James McLean, Normanton Queensland. (Wigtown Free Press dated 29th April 1886: Near Normanton, North Queensland, on March 2nd, James, eldest son of James M'Lean, late of Duchra, aged 41 years.) As Wigslisters, Jan Royal and Betty Telford did, I also searched for Duchra and also for McLean's death notice in old Australian newspapers. The National Library of Australia (NLA) has been digitising our old newspapers, the earliest 1803. Those already digitised are freely available and fully searchable on http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ using Optical Character Recognition (OCR). Sometimes OCR misreads words in newspapers that are in poor condition, but volunteers are visually correcting the OCR images for the NLA. On the whole, this website is fantastic. Australian genealogists and historians now have a very powerful new tool to use for research. It occurred to me while searching for McLean's death notice that the website might be useful to British, New Zealand and, to a lesser extent, American genealogists, as well as Australian. Because Australia had such a small population in the 19th Century, the locals often got their names in the press, even if it was only to advertise their business. So if you wanted to find out what ever happened to someone from Wigtownshire, for example, who immigrated to Australia, you could try looking for him or her on http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ by searching for his or her first name+surname. You could also search for his or her name/s + Wigtownshire or name/s+Wigtonshire (without the middle 'w' as both spellings were used). Some reports give the town or Parish from which the person came, eg Stranraer, but not the County. So it would also be worthwhile trying the person's name/s+ town or name/s+parish as keywords. Using a + (plus) between some of the words you write into the Search field helps find these words in close proximity to each other in the text. Furthermore, Australian newspapers published international news they gleaned from the overseas papers that arrived here by ship. It was not only the major stories that got into our newspapers, but also minor international stories, gossip, and even letters of interest that colonials received from Britain and elsewhere and handed over to journalists for publication. New or returning colonials also brought personal news and opinions with them from the "Old Country" or the States, and the journalists published those as well. The news was months out of date of course by the time it had travelled to Australia, but that did not matter to the colonials who were desperate for any news of "Home". So if you are looking for a particular British or American newspaper story or you want some background information about life in Britain or the US at a certain time, but you are finding it hard to access old newspapers in your own country, you might be able to find these details in the Australian newspapers. However, just remember to allow for Australian publication a few months to even 6 months after the date of the actual event! Back to Diana's email about McLean / M'Lean's death notice in the Wigtown Free Press dated 29th April 1886: Near Normanton, North Queensland, on March 2nd, James, eldest son of James M'Lean, late of Duchra, aged 41 years. Putting the keywords James+McLean in the Search box in the NLA website brought up many James McLeans. Luckily the website lets you search by decade, then year and then month which narrowed the 'hits' down to accounts of a James McLean who died near Normanton in March 1886. There does not appear to be a death notice. However there are a number of reports about his death, mainly focussing on one of the men who died with him, the Hon. Frank Stubley, an MP. Their deaths got nationwide coverage, no doubt because of Stubley and also due to the unusual circumstances. The Mercury (Hobart), Wed 3 March 1886, p3: Queensland. Deaths from Intense Heat. Brisbane, Tuesday. Mr Frank Stubley, late member of the Queensland Legislative Assembly for the Kennedy district, a well known mining speculator, Messrs John Thomas, James McLean and Thomas Covey, died at Creve Creek, on the road from Normanton to the Crozden goldfield. Six others are not expected to live, the heat at Normanton being terrible. The Hon. McDonald Paterson, Postmaster General received a telegram from Mr Shanklyn, auctioneer of Normanton, that Mr Stubley reached Normanton by the [ship] City of Melbourne on February 20, and stayed at the O'Shanghanassy Hotel. He left with two others on horseback on Thursday for the Crozlon field and they reached a shanty 65 miles from Normanton on the 27th February, when Mr Stubley complained of being feverish. He rested for six hours and then rose and mounted his horse then got off again and died within a few minutes without pain, at 5 in the evening. Excerpts from another newspaper give slightly different details: Queanbeyan Age (NSW) Sat 6 March 1886, p2S: ... Mr F Stubley, formerly MP, and once a wealthy miner, left Normanton for the Croydon goldfield with a party of ten..James McLean.. Other deaths occurred on the same day, on the same road...A further telegram from Normanton to the colonial secretary reports four deaths, including Stubley's, and that six other persons were found on the road and are not expected to live. The place where they died is near Green Creek. The date of death in the newspapers matches the date in the WFP death notice exactly so this definitely was the James who was lately of Duchra. So, for those who might have been wondering how James died,we all now know that he sadly died of heatstroke at Creve (or Green) Creek trying to reach Crozden, Crozlon or Croydon goldfield. Presumably the creek, whatever its name, was dry. (The postal clerk who sent the telegram to the newspapers or the journalists who wrote the articles must have had trouble deciphering the place names.) I just received Diana's email saying that Duchra was in Wigtownshire. That explains why I could not find any reference to Duchra in the newspapers. However between 1857 and 1871 a Mr ANGUS McLean was overseer of the Rothbury Estate, now a major Australian winery in the Hunter Valley NSW. Rothbury shared a boundary with a property called Dochra! Regards ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carolyn's e-mail is [email protected] Diana

I am posting this on from Carolyn as she seems to be having some problems with the List. Diana Hello all, Within our Dalrymple family there was a John Wilson born 1844, Barr, Ayrshire, a shepherd, who married Elizabeth Dalrymple, born 1854, Ballantrae, daughter of James Dalrymple and Annie Wright Dalrymple. I believe she was their oldest daughter. She died 1885 at Craigoch, Shepherd's House, New Luce. They had five children: James E. Wilson, born 1878, Craigoch, New Luce; Agnes Wilson, born 1879, New Luce; Annie Jane Wilson, born 1881, New Luce; Thomas Wilson, born 1882, probably in New Luce; and John Wilson, born 1885, probably New Luce, as that is where Elizabeth died.  It appears that she may have died in childbirth, or soon after the fourth child was born. Does anyone have any information regarding what happened to this family after Elizabeth's death, or descendents? Thank you! Regards, Carolyn Achata

Please let's not get an off-topic thread started, but to wrap this up, my guess is yes. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Island_Line_%28song%29 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago,_Rock_Island_and_Pacific_Railroad http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quad_Cities http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rock_Island,_Illinois Mary At 06:33 PM 10/14/2010, you wrote: >Rather off topic, apologies, I wondered if the Rock Island there is the one >made famous by Lonnie Donegan/Johnny Cash's recordings: "The Rock Island >Line"? >Betty > > > > > > [H55] Alexander went to Rock Island High School. He then attended Mt. > > Morris College before he left for Edinburgh, Scotland to attend > > medical school....

Rather off topic, apologies, I wondered if the Rock Island there is the one made famous by Lonnie Donegan/Johnny Cash's recordings: "The Rock Island Line"? Betty > > > [H55] Alexander went to Rock Island High School. He then attended Mt. > Morris College before he left for Edinburgh, Scotland to attend > medical school. > > His first medical office was located on 17th Street on the other side > of the tracks in downtown Moline in one of the 3 big red brick houses > located there. The cellar of this house was rumored to have been an > underground railroad for run-away slaves during the Civil War. Later, > the family had a house and office near the current location of the > Moline Dispatch. The house had a widow's walk on top. But his > parents wanted him to live on the farm and be in charge of it. So the > family moved to the farm. They extended the house and added a nice > porch on the front. All the Jamieson's would alway congregate there. > They had a Strawberry festival at the end of the season and would > make homemade ice cream. > > When Alexander died in 1897, his wife Norah stayed on the farm alone > > From: Passenger Lists: New York 1820-1850 FTM Family Archive #273 > Alexander Jameson, Male, Age 3, country of origin Great Britain, > Family number 30097603, ship name: Swantin, Port of departure, > Liverpool, port of arrival: New York, Arrival Date Aug 9, 1842. > National Archives Series 237, Microfilm no. 50 > > Obituary > Dr. A.W. Jamieson > A Well-Known Old Settler of Rock Island County Passes to His Rest ? > Age, Only Fifty Years ? The Death of Capt. Dickens Recalled (Excerpts) > July 12, 1889 > Moline Review Dispatch > > Dr. A.W. Jamieson, of Richwood Farm, South Moline township, who has > been afflicted with dropsy of the pericardium known more generally > though not so correctly as dropsy of the heart for some time past, > finally passed away at 2:15 on Monday afternoon > > He was born in England Feb. 25, 1839, and was consequently but 50 > years, 4 months and 13days of age. He came to Rock Island county when > but two years of age (in 1841) with his father Gilbert Jamieson, who > died April 14, 1874. In his youth, the now deceased doctor went back > across the water to get an education and he graduated tat Edinburgh > University, Scotland, in 1865, as an M.C. It was while in Great > Britain to get his education that he married Miss Nora Helen Murphy, > of Derby, England. Two children were born to them before he again > returned to this country, and located immediately in Moline in the > old Browning & Entrikin house on Sixteenth street. > > His mother still survives, and lives close to the Jamieson residence > in South Moline. He also has one sister living in Nebraska, Margaret > Eley, who formerly resided in Moline. He had a brother and sister his > seniors, and one brother his junior. There were seven in the family > but the others died when quite young, in England. > > He leaves, besides his mother and sister mentioned above, his wife > and nine children, three sons and six daughters: Guy, 23; Norman H., > 22; and Earl, 12. The daughters are: Ada, 20; Blanche, 18; Nora, 16; > Louise, nearly 15; Clara, 10; Gracie, 6. He also has a sister-in-law > in Kansas who formerly lived here, Mrs. Ann Jamieson. > > The funeral occurred on Tuesday afternoon at 8 o?clock. The services > were held from the Bowlesburg church, the Rev. C.L. Morgan officiating. > > > At 02:42 PM 10/14/2010, Diana Henry wrote: >> From Wigtown Free Press 8th August, 1889 >>Deaths. >>"At Richmond Farm, South Moline, Illinois, U.S.A. on the 7th ult., A.W. >>Jamieson, Esq., M.D. late of Drummore, Kirkmaiden, aged 50 years." > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: janiedoll Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1989.3.1.1.2.2.2.1.1.2.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Joyce thanks for your message. I wonder who the lodgers were - don't have flemings on my tree. Do you know what address they lived at that time? My Dad was a Branney but was adopted in to the Findlay family. His (step) Granny moved to Canada and my ultimate goal on here is to find out more about her. She was Mary Findlay but married in to the Hughes family. Are you related to Mrs F McSheey? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/andrew-jervise/the-history-and-traditions-of-the-land-of-the-lindsays-in-angus-and-mearns-with-vre/page-22-the-history-and-traditions-of-the-land-of-the-lindsays-in-angus-and-mearns-with-vre.shtml folllowing enquiry earlier  Deuchars etc mentioned on here. Interesting website. Betty

Thanks to Diana for unearthing Dr. JAMIESON's WFP death notice. I found related notes transcribed at http://darrel-betty-hagberg.com/Genealogy/Jamieson/notes.html. Provided by Darrel and Betty Hagberg, they are part of the Hagbergs' JAMIESON research: http://darrel-betty-hagberg.com/Genealogy/Jamieson/surnames.html. A photo of Dr. Alexander Wallace JAMIESON appears prominently on this page. I've copied and pasted the following notes exactly as they appear online. The Alexander Wallace JAMIESON tree at http://darrel-betty-hagberg.com/Genealogy/Jamieson/d0000/g0000077.html#I488 is hyperlinked to them via H55. I'm not related, so please contact the Hagbergs at [email protected] if you'd like further information. [H55] Alexander went to Rock Island High School. He then attended Mt. Morris College before he left for Edinburgh, Scotland to attend medical school. His first medical office was located on 17th Street on the other side of the tracks in downtown Moline in one of the 3 big red brick houses located there. The cellar of this house was rumored to have been an underground railroad for run-away slaves during the Civil War. Later, the family had a house and office near the current location of the Moline Dispatch. The house had a widow's walk on top. But his parents wanted him to live on the farm and be in charge of it. So the family moved to the farm. They extended the house and added a nice porch on the front. All the Jamieson's would alway congregate there. They had a Strawberry festival at the end of the season and would make homemade ice cream. When Alexander died in 1897, his wife Norah stayed on the farm alone From: Passenger Lists: New York 1820-1850 FTM Family Archive #273 Alexander Jameson, Male, Age 3, country of origin Great Britain, Family number 30097603, ship name: Swantin, Port of departure, Liverpool, port of arrival: New York, Arrival Date Aug 9, 1842. National Archives Series 237, Microfilm no. 50 Obituary Dr. A.W. Jamieson A Well-Known Old Settler of Rock Island County Passes to His Rest ? Age, Only Fifty Years ? The Death of Capt. Dickens Recalled (Excerpts) July 12, 1889 Moline Review Dispatch Dr. A.W. Jamieson, of Richwood Farm, South Moline township, who has been afflicted with dropsy of the pericardium known more generally though not so correctly as dropsy of the heart for some time past, finally passed away at 2:15 on Monday afternoon He was born in England Feb. 25, 1839, and was consequently but 50 years, 4 months and 13days of age. He came to Rock Island county when but two years of age (in 1841) with his father Gilbert Jamieson, who died April 14, 1874. In his youth, the now deceased doctor went back across the water to get an education and he graduated tat Edinburgh University, Scotland, in 1865, as an M.C. It was while in Great Britain to get his education that he married Miss Nora Helen Murphy, of Derby, England. Two children were born to them before he again returned to this country, and located immediately in Moline in the old Browning & Entrikin house on Sixteenth street. His mother still survives, and lives close to the Jamieson residence in South Moline. He also has one sister living in Nebraska, Margaret Eley, who formerly resided in Moline. He had a brother and sister his seniors, and one brother his junior. There were seven in the family but the others died when quite young, in England. He leaves, besides his mother and sister mentioned above, his wife and nine children, three sons and six daughters: Guy, 23; Norman H., 22; and Earl, 12. The daughters are: Ada, 20; Blanche, 18; Nora, 16; Louise, nearly 15; Clara, 10; Gracie, 6. He also has a sister-in-law in Kansas who formerly lived here, Mrs. Ann Jamieson. The funeral occurred on Tuesday afternoon at 8 o?clock. The services were held from the Bowlesburg church, the Rev. C.L. Morgan officiating. At 02:42 PM 10/14/2010, Diana Henry wrote: > From Wigtown Free Press 8th August, 1889 >Deaths. >"At Richmond Farm, South Moline, Illinois, U.S.A. on the 7th ult., A.W. >Jamieson, Esq., M.D. late of Drummore, Kirkmaiden, aged 50 years."

Donna:  if that link is broken, try the full link and scroll down for Deuchar etc. http://www.ebooksread.com/authors-eng/andrew-jervise/the-history-and-traditions-of-the-land-of-the-lindsays-in-angus-and-mearns-with-vre/page-22-the-history-and-traditions-of-the-land-of-the-lindsays-in-angus-and-mearns-with-vre.shtml Betty

hi Donna: to continue my Australian theme, there's also a place name Deuchar in Queensland ! However in answer to your query, thank you,  I don't think I can do better than to recommend a read of this, for all curious people like me - hope you find it interesting :- <<the name, which may interest the curious : — Dequhar. Deughar. Dewchare. Dowchar. Deuchair. Deugher. Dewquhar. Dowgar. Deuchar. Deuhqwhyr. Docher. Duchar. ... www.ebooksread.com/.../page-22-the-history-and-traditions-of-the-land-of-the-lindsays-in-angus-and-mearns-with-vre.shtml     I am copying this to several of our ClanMoffat members including our genealogist, as there are several mentions of William de Montealto and family whose name relates to our Clan.   Just watching, as I write this, the impressive Scottish display at Delhi heralding the next Commmonwealth Games. Alex Salmond is there watching, they said he has been there most of the week.   Betty    ________________________________ From: DONNA AITKEN <[email protected]> To: BETTY TELFORD <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected] Sent: Thu, 14 October, 2010 15:54:11 Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Duchra variants My ancestors were Duchars spelt that way or Deuchar or Ducker- they were from Perthshire- would that name have derived from Duchra? Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: BETTY TELFORD <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010 3:06 am Subject: [WIG LIST] Duchra variants To: [email protected] > While I was searching (just out of curiosity) on the internet I > found so many > versions in so many places:  Dockray, Dochray (Castle) Duchra > (Marsh), in > Scotland, Ireland, Australia  (wherever people emigrated), >  frequent surname > variations, including Docwra.  I was surprised how many seagoing > vessels through > the years had the name, including a modern American ship. We FH > researchers are > often reminded to watch for differentiation, particularly in > earlier times when > many of the population could not read or write and much was > passed down by word > of mouth.  > Betty > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >