With permission. Maisie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 30, 2010 9:48 AM Subject: [Irish Genealogy] "Help The Halloween Party" - Dublin city born (1924) Warren O'CONNELL > HELP THE HALLOWEEN PARTY > > Dark Autumn is the season of the dead > And when my doorbell rings I think I feel > A little startled if not yet afraid > But when I switch the light on in the hall > And opening the door see just the night > Glimpsing bleak roof tops under frosty stars > I hear ... > > 'Help the Hallowe'en Party,' > The low sepulchral voice beneath my chin > Draws down my eyes to where the mummers stand > Their stage my doorstep lighted from the hall > Flaunting their shabby carnival of cast-offs > And looking up with painted grins and scowls. > That's when I truly feel a thrill of fear > As if the infant dead rose from the clay > To ape an age to which they never grew. > > -- Warren O'Connell > > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > > Great place to get help with your family research. > > Help wanted: County Coordinators > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks for this, some of my roots are firmly in the mines and weaving sheds of Wigan. Diana Henry ________________________________ From: Cliff. Johnston <[email protected]> To: Maisie Egger <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Sent: Thu, October 28, 2010 8:24:04 PM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] [CoTyIre] Fw: [Irish Genealogy] "Search for Elusive Ancestors" (Dublin-born Ms. Eavan BOLAND -- and "Roots, " (Dr. Eilis Ni DHUIBHNE - 1984) Aye, we don't always find what we want... Cliff. "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see," >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:20 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] Fw: [Irish Genealogy] "Search for Elusive Ancestors" (Dublin-born Ms. Eavan BOLAND -- and "Roots, " (Dr. Eilis Ni DHUIBHNE - 1984) With permission.  Maisie From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: [Irish Genealogy] "Search for Elusive Ancestors" (Dublin-born Ms. Eavan BOLAND -- and "Roots, " (Dr. Eilis Ni DHUIBHNE - 1984) > "Names. Every art is inscribed with them. Every life depends on them. > I was to find out, as I searched for information about her, just how > wounding their absence can be." -- Quotation, Ms. Eavan BOLAND's prose > memoir, "Object Lessons." > > and from Dr. Eilis Ni Dhuibhne, National Library Ireland (1984) > > ROOTS > > Today a note from M. O'Brien > Arrived in my letter tray. > 'Can you trace my roots?' he asks. > 'What will I have to pay?' > > 'My forefather is Brian Boru, > I want you to link him to me > On a tree of yellow calfskin. > I'm prepared to pay a fee.' > > In his letter he encloses > Data on his elders and betters: > His father and mother, > Their fathers and mothers > And a couple of dozen sisters and brothers. > > The census of '51 > Records the family in Chorly: > The head of the household a weaver, > The mother a mother, > One son a hand in a mill > And the other (aged 10) > A drawer of coal. > > The census of '61 > Records the family in Bolton: > The father a power-loom weaver, > The mother a mother, > One son a hand in a mill > The other a collier > And one daughter (aged 10) > A scholar. > > The census of '81 > Records the family in Wigan: > The head of the household 'blind,' > The mother a fishmonger, > One son a hand in a mill, > The other a collier > The daughter a frame tenter > And a grandson (aged 10) > A scholar: > The father of Mister O'Brien > Descendant of Brian Boru. > > I want to reply to his letter: > Keep your cash: > Clontarf hardly matters > To one whose genes survived > The pits and mills of Wigan, > Whose mother's days were woven > In the powerful looms of Bolton, > Whose childhood hours were spent > With the unsold herrings' stench. > > But instead I send an invoice > For ten pounds fifty pence > And enclose a coat of arms > To adorn his bedside shelf > > -- Excerpts, Cork's "Irish Roots" magazine > > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at:  > http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > > ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Aye, we don't always find what we want... Cliff. "May the best you've ever seen, Be the worst you'll ever see," >From A Scots Toast by Allan Ramsay -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 2:20 PM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [CoTyIre] Fw: [Irish Genealogy] "Search for Elusive Ancestors" (Dublin-born Ms. Eavan BOLAND -- and "Roots, " (Dr. Eilis Ni DHUIBHNE - 1984) With permission. Maisie From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: [Irish Genealogy] "Search for Elusive Ancestors" (Dublin-born Ms. Eavan BOLAND -- and "Roots, " (Dr. Eilis Ni DHUIBHNE - 1984) > "Names. Every art is inscribed with them. Every life depends on them. > I was to find out, as I searched for information about her, just how > wounding their absence can be." -- Quotation, Ms. Eavan BOLAND's prose > memoir, "Object Lessons." > > and from Dr. Eilis Ni Dhuibhne, National Library Ireland (1984) > > ROOTS > > Today a note from M. O'Brien > Arrived in my letter tray. > 'Can you trace my roots?' he asks. > 'What will I have to pay?' > > 'My forefather is Brian Boru, > I want you to link him to me > On a tree of yellow calfskin. > I'm prepared to pay a fee.' > > In his letter he encloses > Data on his elders and betters: > His father and mother, > Their fathers and mothers > And a couple of dozen sisters and brothers. > > The census of '51 > Records the family in Chorly: > The head of the household a weaver, > The mother a mother, > One son a hand in a mill > And the other (aged 10) > A drawer of coal. > > The census of '61 > Records the family in Bolton: > The father a power-loom weaver, > The mother a mother, > One son a hand in a mill > The other a collier > And one daughter (aged 10) > A scholar. > > The census of '81 > Records the family in Wigan: > The head of the household 'blind,' > The mother a fishmonger, > One son a hand in a mill, > The other a collier > The daughter a frame tenter > And a grandson (aged 10) > A scholar: > The father of Mister O'Brien > Descendant of Brian Boru. > > I want to reply to his letter: > Keep your cash: > Clontarf hardly matters > To one whose genes survived > The pits and mills of Wigan, > Whose mother's days were woven > In the powerful looms of Bolton, > Whose childhood hours were spent > With the unsold herrings' stench. > > But instead I send an invoice > For ten pounds fifty pence > And enclose a coat of arms > To adorn his bedside shelf > > -- Excerpts, Cork's "Irish Roots" magazine > > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: > http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > > ------------- Our community web-site: http://cotyroneireland.com/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

With permission. Maisie From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:41 AM Subject: [Irish Genealogy] "Search for Elusive Ancestors" (Dublin-born Ms. Eavan BOLAND -- and "Roots, " (Dr. Eilis Ni DHUIBHNE - 1984) > "Names. Every art is inscribed with them. Every life depends on them. I > was to find out, as I searched for information about her, just how > wounding their absence can be." -- Quotation, Ms. Eavan BOLAND's prose > memoir, "Object Lessons." > > and from Dr. Eilis Ni Dhuibhne, National Library Ireland (1984) > > ROOTS > > Today a note from M. O'Brien > Arrived in my letter tray. > 'Can you trace my roots?' he asks. > 'What will I have to pay?' > > 'My forefather is Brian Boru, > I want you to link him to me > On a tree of yellow calfskin. > I'm prepared to pay a fee.' > > In his letter he encloses > Data on his elders and betters: > His father and mother, > Their fathers and mothers > And a couple of dozen sisters and brothers. > > The census of '51 > Records the family in Chorly: > The head of the household a weaver, > The mother a mother, > One son a hand in a mill > And the other (aged 10) > A drawer of coal. > > The census of '61 > Records the family in Bolton: > The father a power-loom weaver, > The mother a mother, > One son a hand in a mill > The other a collier > And one daughter (aged 10) > A scholar. > > The census of '81 > Records the family in Wigan: > The head of the household 'blind,' > The mother a fishmonger, > One son a hand in a mill, > The other a collier > The daughter a frame tenter > And a grandson (aged 10) > A scholar: > The father of Mister O'Brien > Descendant of Brian Boru. > > I want to reply to his letter: > Keep your cash: > Clontarf hardly matters > To one whose genes survived > The pits and mills of Wigan, > Whose mother's days were woven > In the powerful looms of Bolton, > Whose childhood hours were spent > With the unsold herrings' stench. > > But instead I send an invoice > For ten pounds fifty pence > And enclose a coat of arms > To adorn his bedside shelf > > -- Excerpts, Cork's "Irish Roots" magazine > > > Check out the Ireland GenWeb website at: http://www.irelandgenweb.com/ > >

I am looking for help in finding more information on the family of David and Agnes I have them in the census from 1841 until 1881 and then I seem to lose them. They had the following family Jean b 1842 , William 1844 , John 1846, , David b 1850 ,Thomas 1852, Peter 1854 , James 1856, Agnes 1859, Robert 1865,

Thanks Ian. I'll have to see these when I'm next there, whenever that is! Pity there aren't earlier records there though. Jenny On 26/10/2010 19:18, Ian A McClumpha wrote: > Hi > > Stranraer Museum Archives hold records of the Stranraer Associate > Session with births from 1811 -1845 and one entry in 1849. Marriages > from 1812-1836 and 1839-1845. Another volume has births 1839-1881. From > memory there is also a death register. > > Visits by appointment only. > > Best wishes > > Ian A McClumpha > > Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad > Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com > <http://www.imchad.freeola.com>

Hi >From my track maintenance experience on the railways in NSW, Australia, a surfaceman would be involved in maintaining the tracks. In railway terminology, "surfacing" refers to keeping the horizontal and vertical alignment of the track in order, so that there was a smooth ride for the trains and passengers. In the "old days", the track staff would lift the rails and sleepers with jacks, the ganger would eye the horizontal level and then the gang would pack ballast under the sleepers with pick lick tools called beaters. The ganger would then eye along the horizontal alignment and the gang would pull the rails to the correct line with crow bars. This was hard work but a good ganger could produce very good riding track. If England was like NSW (which I assume so, since our railways were modelled on the English system), local gangs would compete for yearly awards for the best kept track. When mechanised maintenance was introduced into the railways, the gangs that had the big yellow machines to lift, line and pack the tracks were called "resurfacing gangs". There were also larger gangs that also replaced the sleepers, and these were called "tie and surfacing gangs". Different rail systems used different terms for this type of work, and in NSW the "general purpose" track maintainers were called "fettlers". The fettlers worked in gangs under the control of (naturally) a "ganger". You sometimes see a group of track workers referred to as "gangers" but in reality there would only be one ganger, with the rest just being members of his gang. Other terms for this type of occupation included "platelayer" (often associated with track construction) or "lengthman". The latter term would have originated from the "length", which was the section of track allocated to a gang. When the ganger or one of his gang inspected the track, this was referred to as "running the length". Hope this helps Frank Johnson -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian A McClumpha Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2010 6:37 AM To: 'Peter Straight'; [email protected] Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Surface man? Hi A Surfaceman was a person who kept the roads in good order. His job was to fill potholes and keep drainage channels clear. Later, the same name was applied to men who worked on the railways doing a similar job. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Straight Sent: 25 October 2010 18:17 To: [email protected] Subject: [WIG LIST] Surface man? Can anyone tell me what a Surface man did? and what it is please?? Heather ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1144 / Virus Database: 424/3218 - Release Date: 10/25/10 ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Stranraer Museum Archives hold records of the Stranraer Associate Session with births from 1811 -1845 and one entry in 1849. Marriages from 1812-1836 and 1839-1845. Another volume has births 1839-1881. From memory there is also a death register. Visits by appointment only. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of J Blain Sent: 26 October 2010 17:56 To: SCT-WIG[email protected] Subject: [WIG LIST] dissenters in the 18th century Hi all, According to the first statistical account, there were a fair number of dissenters around in parts of Wigtownshire. In Inch parish, 'the number of Seceders, young and old, may be stated at 240' - this is a parish of only '1450 souls'! These could possibly (the Inch ones, I mean) belong to the Stranraer Associate Session... does anybody know if there are any records from this or other seceder/dissenter congregations? My Inch people have a very strange gap in births between approx the 1750s to 1770s - there seems to be a whole missing generation in more than one family. They then reappear, getting marriages registered, and some, though not all, births. Jenny ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1152 / Virus Database: 424/3219 - Release Date: 10/25/10

Hi all, According to the first statistical account, there were a fair number of dissenters around in parts of Wigtownshire. In Inch parish, 'the number of Seceders, young and old, may be stated at 240' - this is a parish of only '1450 souls'! These could possibly (the Inch ones, I mean) belong to the Stranraer Associate Session... does anybody know if there are any records from this or other seceder/dissenter congregations? My Inch people have a very strange gap in births between approx the 1750s to 1770s - there seems to be a whole missing generation in more than one family. They then reappear, getting marriages registered, and some, though not all, births. Jenny

Hi Frank Thank you for explaining the role of a railway surfaceman now I understand completely what my grand dad did Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: Frank Johnson <[email protected]> Date: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 3:04 am Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Surface man? To: 'Ian A McClumpha' <[email protected]>, 'Peter Straight' <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Hi > > >From my track maintenance experience on the railways in NSW, > Australia, a > surfaceman would be involved in maintaining the tracks. > > In railway terminology, "surfacing" refers to keeping the > horizontal and > vertical alignment of the track in order, so that there was a > smooth ride > for the trains and passengers. In the "old days", the track > staff would lift > the rails and sleepers with jacks, the ganger would eye the > horizontal level > and then the gang would pack ballast under the sleepers with > pick lick tools > called beaters. The ganger would then eye along the horizontal > alignment and > the gang would pull the rails to the correct line with crow bars. > > This was hard work but a good ganger could produce very good > riding track. > If England was like NSW (which I assume so, since our railways > were modelled > on the English system), local gangs would compete for yearly > awards for the > best kept track. > > When mechanised maintenance was introduced into the railways, > the gangs that > had the big yellow machines to lift, line and pack the tracks > were called > "resurfacing gangs". There were also larger gangs that also > replaced the > sleepers, and these were called "tie and surfacing gangs". > > Different rail systems used different terms for this type of > work, and in > NSW the "general purpose" track maintainers were called > "fettlers". The > fettlers worked in gangs under the control of (naturally) a > "ganger". You > sometimes see a group of track workers referred to as "gangers" > but in > reality there would only be one ganger, with the rest just being > members of > his gang. > > Other terms for this type of occupation included "platelayer" (often > associated with track construction) or "lengthman". The latter > term would > have originated from the "length", which was the section of > track allocated > to a gang. When the ganger or one of his gang inspected the > track, this was > referred to as "running the length". > > Hope this helps > > Frank Johnson > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Ian > A McClumpha > Sent: Tuesday, 26 October 2010 6:37 AM > To: 'Peter Straight'; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Surface man? > > Hi > >   > > A Surfaceman was a person who kept the roads in good > order.  His job was to > fill potholes and keep drainage channels clear.  Later, the > same name was > applied to men who worked on the railways doing a similar job. > >   > > Best wishes > >   > > Ian A McClumpha > >   > > Need help with your Scottish Family History research?  Let > Imchad Ancestry > assist you.   Please look at  our website: > www.imchad.freeola.com >   _____  > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > Peter Straight > Sent: 25 October 2010 18:17 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WIG LIST] Surface man? > >   > > Can anyone tell me what a Surface man did? and what it is please?? > Heather > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >   _____  > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1144 / Virus Database: 424/3218 - Release Date: 10/25/10 > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,238393.0.html Hi Heather have a look @ this chatroom. Will contact later. Peter in Tyneside

Hi A Surfaceman was a person who kept the roads in good order. His job was to fill potholes and keep drainage channels clear. Later, the same name was applied to men who worked on the railways doing a similar job. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Straight Sent: 25 October 2010 18:17 To: [email protected] Subject: [WIG LIST] Surface man? Can anyone tell me what a Surface man did? and what it is please?? Heather ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1144 / Virus Database: 424/3218 - Release Date: 10/25/10

Can anyone tell me what a Surface man did? and what it is please?? Heather

Heather: Occupational Descriptions can be found on ScotlandsPeople They define surfaceman as : ""A worker who keeps the railway bed in good repair, in mining, a person engaged in ancillary work above ground "" http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=551&998 Jim

Heather My Grandfather was surface man and he built railways- but there were surfacemen in the mines and on the roads The railway and road men prepare the ground for the track/ road I don't know what the mining surfaceman did- maybe he worked the ltruckss up to the surface? Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Straight <[email protected]> Date: Monday, October 25, 2010 9:22 am Subject: [WIG LIST] Surface man? To: [email protected] > Can anyone tell me what a Surface man did? and what it is please?? > Heather > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am trying to find more information on this couple Peter King was born in New Luce c 1854 son of David King a shoemaker and Agnes Baird he married Sarah Donaghy born c 1851 Kirkcolm daughter of James Donaghy and Sarah Watson( who died in Kirkcolm c 1852) at Rankins Close Dalrymple Street Stranraer . Peter on the marriage certificate and 1881 census is a baker. They are still in Stranraer in 1881 and after that they disappear I believe they emigrated to Australia with two children Sarah b c 1877 and James b c 1879.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mpmcclure Surnames: McClure, Cumming Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2087/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My ancestors include Alexander McClure (1791-1876) who married Catherine Cumming (1798-1890). Alexander's parents were John McClure and Agnes Fraser. Does anyone out there have any further information re: John and Agnes, such as birth records, death records, marriage records? Are there any McClure family still residing in Wigtownshire? Would love to hear from you - my email is [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: mpmcclure Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2025.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Have you tried the name McClure? There is a number of them from Wigotwnshire including a John McClure who married a Mary Donnan. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello Listers, I am happy to be back in touch with you. Would anyone out there know about Alexander Dalrymple, born the 7th child of James and Annie Wright Dalrymple, of Markdhu Farm, New Luce. Alexander emigrated to Toronto, Canada around 1890, married Martha E. Cottinghame and had sons while in Toronto: Alexander J. Dalrymple, born 1891, Leslie A. Dalrymple, born 1894 and Ernest D. Dalrymple, born 1897. I believe they stayed in Toronto for several years, and may have gone west to Saskatchewan, but I cannot document that source. If there are any descendents reading this message, I would love to hear from you. Thank you! Carolyn Achata McDonald, Tennessee -- Carolyn Achata

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: JuneHodge100 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/114.122.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: A little late, but this might be of help to anyone going back to the 1700's with the names McLachlan / McLauchlan in Wigtownshire: The name can also appear as Lachlanson or Lachlison in old records. This is because 'Mac' means son of, and therefore they sometimes take the 'mac' off the front of the name and replace it with a 'son' at the end. In fact, one of the Wigtown Martyrs is known by both surnames. I also found my 5th great grandmother (Marron McLachlan)'s marriage recorded at Penninghame, Wigtownshire and it said "Joseph Gracie and Marron Lachlison in Meikle Ingelston, New Abbey". Anyone related to them?? June Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.