> Hi James, > > I don't know about your McMeckan connection, but am interested to know > your Murray connection. > > ...David Murray > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, December 31, 2010 12:55 AM > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] John McMECKAN, b. 1904 > > >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. >> >> Author: jmurray81_1 >> Surnames: Mcmeckan >> Classification: queries >> >> Message Board URL: >> >> http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1968.3/mb.ashx >> >> Message Board Post: >> >> Hi >> My mum is looking for her father who is called John Mcmeckan. He was born >> in stranraer, scotland in 1931. he has 7 sisters, he used to work on >> farms. this is all she knows about him as she has never seen him before. >> do you know of him? his parents i believe were John Mcmeckan and Rebecca >> hopewell? I see from your post that you was looking for them, what side >> of the family are you from? we may be related. it would be good to hear >> back from you. >> >> if you know anything please reply. >> Thanks >> James >> >> Important Note: >> The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you >> would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link >> above and respond on the board. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: theta100 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1968.3.2.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi again, Sorry I have only found the details given to you on both John McMeckans. As a previous lister has mentioned birth certificates after 1910 in Scotland are not available online,so we cannot confirm their parents. Do you suspect that one of these 2 was your grandfather? If so are either of the marriage records that I found appropriate? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jmurray81_1 Surnames: mcmeckan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1968.3.2.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi ok thanks, do you know any more information on him like did he have any siblings? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: theta100 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1968.3.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, Sorry, yes he did die in 1980.Pleased to have helped. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jmurray81_1 Surnames: mcmeckan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1968.3.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi thanks for that, the john mcmeckan born 12th march 1931 did he die in 1980 as you didnt write that bit out as clear. this information is fantastic thanks for your help. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: theta100 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1968.3.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi, I am not related, but I found John McMeckan born 11 June 1904 died in April 1985 in Salford, Lancashire. A Rebecca McMeckan age 61 died in 1966 also Salford. John McMeckan born 16 May 1930 died Aug 1995 age 65 Blackpool John McMeckan born 12 March 1931 in 1980 Barton, Manchester The only John Meckans born in the uk in those years were 1930 Kirkcolm and 1931 Lanarkshire.The only John McMeckan of the right age who married in Scotland was to a Pamela McMahon in 1954 Lanarkshire and in England John McMeckan to Grace Englefield 1964 Loughborough, Leicestershire. I am not sure how much that helps. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jmurray81_1 Surnames: mcmeckan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1968.4/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi does any of these names ring a bell to you regarding you great granfather Elizabeth M T Maria Mary M Isabel Mary Janet Helen G Annabella M A H Martha Barr Rebecca hope any of this helps Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jmurray81_1 Surnames: mcmeckan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1968.3.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: hi yeah my mum said a few of them names ring a bell. rebecca maria annabella and martha how would i go about finding some more information on john mcmeckan as i would loove to reunite my mum and her dad next year. or at least she would know of his whereabouts thanks Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: NSeeds Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1968.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: James, While I am not related to your line, I have assisted others in the past decade try to detangle their McMEIKEN/McMEEKAN/McMECKAN/etc. ancestors in the southwest of Scotland. Your John would appear to have been registered in Kirkcolm Parish (rather than Stranraer), with birth year of 1930 (rather than 1931). This is the parish where his parents were living, I believe, when he was born and when they married on 12 June 1931. On their marriage register, it shows them both as residing at Glen Cottage... Do any of his seven sisters have the name: Elizabeth M T Maria Mary M Isabel Mary Janet Helen G Annabella M A H Martha Barr Rebecca Because of the Privacy Act, the actual birth registers are not available online. However, you could have someone local to Edinburgh look them it up for you. The GROS data record number for John McMECKAN, b 1930, is 887/00 0012. (If you use scotlandspeople.gov.uk, you could also order the record online at the cost of 1 search credit and the additional 10GBP image ordering fee.) Best of luck in your search! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jmurray81_1 Surnames: Mcmeckan Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1968.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi My mum is looking for her father who is called John Mcmeckan. He was born in stranraer, scotland in 1931. he has 7 sisters, he used to work on farms. this is all she knows about him as she has never seen him before. do you know of him? his parents i believe were John Mcmeckan and Rebecca hopewell? I see from your post that you was looking for them, what side of the family are you from? we may be related. it would be good to hear back from you. if you know anything please reply. Thanks James Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: simplydiann Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1994.3.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi...no, I've been out of commission in regard to genealogy..and my computer. Thanks for reminder. If I should discover anything, I will try to get back here and let you know. If I do not have your email address, feel free to email me at [email protected] Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Source: [email protected] Subject: Re: [BORDER] Hair powder tax! various names Scotland's Places that is hosting digital images of the Horse Tax, now has Clock and watch tax - see below. maybe they're going to cover more of these more obscure taxes. Unfortunately, from what it says below, many of the Border returns no longer exist. However, the Berwickshire is listed. le durachd Fionnghal http://www.scotlandsplaces.gov.uk/ The Clock and Watch Tax rolls (National Archives of Scotland, E326/12) list the names of clock and watch owners as well as the number of clocks and watches and tax totals. The listing below is that of the original rolls. Only two volumes survive and it is fairly clear that a third volume (containing the counties of Midlothian, Moray, Orkney, Peebles, Perth, Renfrew, Ross, Roxburgh, Selkirk, Shetland, Stirling, Sutherland, West Lothian, and Wigtown) is not extant. The National Archives of Scotland (E326/12) Clock and Watch Tax, Volume 1 Volume 1 contains clock and watch tax listings for the following counties: Aberdeenshire, Argyll, Ayrshire, Banffshire, Berwickshire, Buteshire, Caithness, Clackmannanshire, Cromartyshire, Dunbartonshire, and Dumfriesshire. Clock and Watch Tax, Volume 2 Volume 2 contains clock and watch tax listings for the following counties: East Lothian (Haddingtonshire), Fife, Angus (Forfarshire), Inverness-shire, Kincardineshire, Kinross-shire, Kirkcudbrightshire, and Lanarkshire. Please note that the Inverness-shire roll is not divided up on a parish by parish basis.

The bit about Alexander Drummond being an itinerant - traveller, pedlar, chapman, etc., during the first half of the nineteenth century is paralleled by the life of William Cameron, commonly known as Hawkie. His life might be of interest to you. A synopsis can be found at: http://www.theglasgowstory.com/story.php?id=TGSCH02 The text of the 'biography' can be found in full at: http://www.gla.ac.uk/t4/dumfries/files/layer2/glasgow_broadside_ballads/hawkie.htm Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: "TWMc" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, December 26, 2010 2:34 AM Subject: [WIG LIST] Looking for help with my Alexander & Helen Drummondfamily > > I have a bit of a puzzle I'm trying to put together regarding my family. > I know my GG Grandmother's maiden name was Helen/Ellen Drummond who was > born in 1800 in Scotland. Before I found the connection to the "Drummond" > name, our family felt she was a MacGregor with possible connections to the > ancestry of Rob Roy. >>From public records for my Helen/Ellen I've found her name to be shown as >>"Drummond". However, on my G Grandmother's death record it showed her >>Mother's maiden name to have been "McGregor". Also, one of her Son's had >>the middle name "McGregor" which has been handed down to other family >>members. > I have found out about the Proscription making it illegal to use the > MacGregor name, so thought perhaps this was the reason she always showed > up as Drummond. > I only recently have found a birth record for my Helen Drummond (note, the > family knew her as Ellen, but seems Helen was predominant in Scotland). At > some point she married Matthew Todd who was born in Northumberland, > England. They had their 5 children in Scotland. > Helen/Ellen's parents were Alexander Drummond and Helen Diet, Dyet, Dyer, > or Dewar. I'm not sure which name is correct for the Mother. I've found > births for 10 children and the last name varied between Diet, Dyet, Dyatt, > and Dyer. It seems like Dewar could also be a possiblity. >>From what I can tell this family was in at least 7 counties of Scotland >>from records I've found. It seems to be the same family, but others >>thought it might be 2 different families. > I have found Alexander Drummond to have been a basket maker, licensed > hawker, Chapman pedler, and China pedler. It seems likely they were > "travellers". > One birth record shows a Son Alexander Drummond born to an Alexander > Drummand and an Ellender Dyatt ( I think Helen?). He was born at Girthon, > Kirkcudbright in 1803. There was a reference to Galloway, but not sure > where I saw that now? > So, it seems my Drummond families time in this county may have been for > marketing their goods. It was noted on other birth records that they were > travelling through the area when the birth occurred. > My Hele/Ellen married a Matthew Todd from Northumberland England probably > in the 1820's or so. They had 5 children in Scotland. Matthew was a stone > ware merchant on the 1841 census and seems they showed as travellers on > the 1851 census. They immigrated to Ontario probably about 1855. In > Ontario it seems Matthew was a horse dealer or trader, and perhaps a > horseshoer. > I have found some records at Scotland's People. The Alexander and Helen > Drummond I found seemed like they may have married or at least had > children starting in their mid 30's to about 55. They were on the 1841 > census each at 80 years old, and both listed as licensed hawkers. They > were in Airth, Stirlingshire on that census. Helen died in Airth in 1845. > Sorry to go on so long, but it seems complicated. > Any insight appreciated!! > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Browse the web faster. Download Chrome > Browse the web as fast as you think. Give Google Chrome a try > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d16aa046dd888b83fast03vuc > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a bit of a puzzle I'm trying to put together regarding my family. I know my GG Grandmother's maiden name was Helen/Ellen Drummond who was born in 1800 in Scotland. Before I found the connection to the "Drummond" name, our family felt she was a MacGregor with possible connections to the ancestry of Rob Roy. >From public records for my Helen/Ellen I've found her name to be shown as "Drummond". However, on my G Grandmother's death record it showed her Mother's maiden name to have been "McGregor". Also, one of her Son's had the middle name "McGregor" which has been handed down to other family members. I have found out about the Proscription making it illegal to use the MacGregor name, so thought perhaps this was the reason she always showed up as Drummond. I only recently have found a birth record for my Helen Drummond (note, the family knew her as Ellen, but seems Helen was predominant in Scotland). At some point she married Matthew Todd who was born in Northumberland, England. They had their 5 children in Scotland. Helen/Ellen's parents were Alexander Drummond and Helen Diet, Dyet, Dyer, or Dewar. I'm not sure which name is correct for the Mother. I've found births for 10 children and the last name varied between Diet, Dyet, Dyatt, and Dyer. It seems like Dewar could also be a possiblity. >From what I can tell this family was in at least 7 counties of Scotland from records I've found. It seems to be the same family, but others thought it might be 2 different families. I have found Alexander Drummond to have been a basket maker, licensed hawker, Chapman pedler, and China pedler. It seems likely they were "travellers". One birth record shows a Son Alexander Drummond born to an Alexander Drummand and an Ellender Dyatt ( I think Helen?). He was born at Girthon, Kirkcudbright in 1803. There was a reference to Galloway, but not sure where I saw that now? So, it seems my Drummond families time in this county may have been for marketing their goods. It was noted on other birth records that they were travelling through the area when the birth occurred. My Hele/Ellen married a Matthew Todd from Northumberland England probably in the 1820's or so. They had 5 children in Scotland. Matthew was a stone ware merchant on the 1841 census and seems they showed as travellers on the 1851 census. They immigrated to Ontario probably about 1855. In Ontario it seems Matthew was a horse dealer or trader, and perhaps a horseshoer. I have found some records at Scotland's People. The Alexander and Helen Drummond I found seemed like they may have married or at least had children starting in their mid 30's to about 55. They were on the 1841 census each at 80 years old, and both listed as licensed hawkers. They were in Airth, Stirlingshire on that census. Helen died in Airth in 1845. Sorry to go on so long, but it seems complicated. Any insight appreciated!! Thanks so much!! Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) ____________________________________________________________ Browse the web faster. Download Chrome Browse the web as fast as you think. Give Google Chrome a try http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d16aa046dd888b83fast03vuc

Wishing you all a very Merry Christmas from Sydney. It is a lovely clear day, around 30 degrees with a slight sea breeze and the cicadas are singing in the gum trees. Cheers, Steve.

Ian and Margo wish each and every one of you a very Merry Christmas. As you all know there has only been the one Christmas - the rest are anniversaries. We celebrate each anniversary with family and friends and reflect upon that very first Christmas and what it means to us personally. Our wish for all of you in 2011 is that you may find that elusive ancestor and perhaps add another generation or two to the family tree. May you and your families have health and security in these uncertain times. As we prepare to welcome in 2011, may it be with optimism and hope for the future and that our families will survive whatever changes our government implements. Best wishes Ian & Margo McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com

Ian and Margo wish each and every one of you a very Merry Christmas. As you all know there has only been the one Christmas - the rest are anniversaries. We celebrate each anniversary with family and friends and reflect upon that very first Christmas and what it means to us personally. Our wish for all of you in 2011 is that you may find that elusive ancestor and perhaps add another generation or two to the family tree. May you and your families have health and security in these uncertain times. As we prepare to welcome in 2011, may it be with optimism and hope for the future and that our families will survive whatever changes our government implements. Best wishes Ian & Margo McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com

Fellow Listers, Scotland is definitely a unique little country (78772 km2 or 30414 sq mi) with its own way of doing things. It doesn't have a Scottish National Anthem, Scottish bank notes are not legal tender in Scotland and in fact it has no legal tender currency, it has its own unique legal system dating from before the Union in 1707 that is unlike any other legal system, its Official Animal is the mythical Unicorn, AND it has only relatively recently started to celebrate Christmas Day officially. When my family left Stranraer, Wigtownshire, Scotland to come to Australia in 1957 the 25th December (Christmas Day) was not a holiday and Boxing Day was unknown. We did get presents but it was a very low key affair. Christmas Day was not openly celebrated in Scotland for almost 400 years until 1958 when it again became a holiday for everyone. At the Scottish Reformation some four hundred years earlier it was decided that no day was to be kept a Holy Day except Sunday and this included Christmas (Christ-Mass). In August 1560 the Reformation Parliament passed a series of Acts including a new Scots "Confession of Faith". It abolished the Pope's authority in Scotland and forbade the celebration of Latin Mass. It reformed the Kirk and made education compulsory (so people could read the bible). Back in 1317 Pope John XXII had renewed the excommunication of Robert Bruce and placed the kingdom of Scotland under interdict. This led to the Declaration of Arbroath in 1320. In the "Golden Act" of 1592 James VI was compelled to accept the formal Presbyterian organisation of the Kirk. This did not last and Charles I attempted again to impose his religious wishes on Scotland. A National Covenant was drawn up and displayed in the Church of the Greyfriars on February 28th 1638. This Covenant was to lead to much bloodshed before it was played out. It developed into a war between the King and the Covenantors. So in Scotland until 1958 life went on as normal on December 25th as it was not a holiday and people went to work as usual. So if you want to celebrate Christmas the way your Scottish ancestors did it will mean going to work on Christmas Day. Sam Heron

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: renamitchell769 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2096/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Freecen provides free access to 19th century census data online for researchers. Currently all Wigtownshire parish censuses are available online at Freecen for 1841. 1851 parishes have all been transcribed and will go online at Freecen shortly after the New Year. I am coordinating the forthcoming transcriptions of the 1861 and 1871 parishes for Wigtownshire. We urgently need volunteer transcribers to complete this project. Please see the Freecen Scotland webpage or contact me for further information Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: renamitchell769 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2095/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Freecen provides free access to 19th century census data online for researchers. Currently all Wigtownshire parish censuses are available online at Freecen for 1841. 1851 parsihses have all been transcribed and will go online at Freecen shortly after the New Year. I am coordinating the forthcoming transcriptions of the 1861 and 1871 parishes for Wigtownshire. We urgently need volunteer transcribers to complete this project. Please see the Freecen Scotland webpage or contact me for further information Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.