Hi Maisie Brian Blake in his book, 'The Solway Firth' describes the Solway as being bounded by a line from the Mull of Galloway to St Bees Head. I do know that others have used a line much further up the Solway, but I cannot see any way that Auchencairn, in Kirkcudbrightshire, could be described as being in the Irish sea. Best wishes Ian A McClumpha Need help with your Scottish Family History research? Let Imchad Ancestry assist you. Please look at our website: www.imchad.freeola.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Maisie Egger Sent: 30 January 2011 20:18 To: [email protected] Subject: [WIG LIST] Irish Sea vis a vis North Channel? Question: As I was trying to pinpoint Auchencairn, Lochenling and Rascarrel Bays and the other bays associated with my forebears in the Wigtownshire area, I noticed the map indicated that Rascarrel Bay and the Solway Firth were bounded by the Irish Sea. Is this so, or should it be the North Channel? It's hard to tell on some of the graphs where the Irish Sea begins and ends and where the North Channel likewise. Also, John McLean Clint, a son of my great-grandfather, was born in a cottage on Lochenling. It is apparently roofless now and is bordered on each side by so-called summer chalets that look no more pretentious than garden sheds! Does anyone in the area know if the cottage is still standing? Maisie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Norma -- If you would be so kind, I would also like to have copies of these photos. Do you also have one of the headstone for Ann, wife of Alexander Smith? If not, do you perchance have have a transcription of her MI? Many thanks, Guy I. Colby IV Irving, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Norma To: [email protected] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:13 AM Subject: [WIG LIST] Alexander Smith and David Smith I have been to Wigtown old cemetery and taken photos of the headstones of Alexander and David Smith from Torhousemuir...if anyone is interested I will email them to you. I also took photo of the 'hole stone' beside the Standing Stones of Torhouse....Norma Bell

?Good morning all. I am a new list member and would like to state my interests in the REID and BIGHAM families of Minnigaff. While browsing recently, I saw some posts from way back in 2003 regarding a REID family at Carsminnoch farm I have also come across this family in the 1841 census whilst looking at my own interests . Mine are at Cree Bridge for the 1841 census William REID born Abt. 1795 not known where he was born Agnes REID his wife nee BIGHAM daughter of Hamilton BIGHAM and Marion nee McKie . She was born abt. 1799 at Minnigaff Kirkudbright. married June 1813 at Minnigaff children Marion 1815 who married John McCafferty Agnes 1821 who married Peter Mc Kie(ver) Mary 1824 Martha (1)1826 died Martha(2) 1832 Robert 1834 my husbands great great grandfather married Alice Lowe and lived in Hulme and Salford Lancashire Marry 1841 married William RIDLEY ....I have contact with her descendants by 1851 the family had removed to Hulme Lancashire and their decendants can be found in Salford and surrounding areas. I would be happy to hear from anybody with an interest in this family or anyone who can add anything extra to help kind regards Ann Brown Cheshire

Question: As I was trying to pinpoint Auchencairn, Lochenling and Rascarrel Bays and the other bays associated with my forebears in the Wigtownshire area, I noticed the map indicated that Rascarrel Bay and the Solway Firth were bounded by the Irish Sea. Is this so, or should it be the North Channel? It's hard to tell on some of the graphs where the Irish Sea begins and ends and where the North Channel likewise. Also, John McLean Clint, a son of my great-grandfather, was born in a cottage on Lochenling. It is apparently roofless now and is bordered on each side by so-called summer chalets that look no more pretentious than garden sheds! Does anyone in the area know if the cottage is still standing? Maisie

Norma I would appreciate it if you could email me the photos you have taken at Wigtown old cemetery of the headstones of Alexander (my GGGgrandfather) and David Smith from Torhousemuir, I took some a few years ago and have mislaid them. Many thanks Andrea Walker

I have been to Wigtown old cemetery and taken photos of the headstones of Alexander and David Smith from Torhousemuir...if anyone is interested I will email them to you.  I also took photo of the 'hole stone' beside the Standing Stones of Torhouse....Norma Bell

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I read this excerpt in a recent reference by Iain Hutchison to the story of "Hawkie", who was an itinerant seller of "broadsheets" and traveled Scotland in about 1830. http://www.gla.ac.uk/t4/dumfries/files/layer2/glasgow_broadside_ballads/hawkie.htm Not often that one can get even a brief view of the "underside" of society in those days. The original, to which Iain kindly provided an URL is worth reading, but here's the account of Hawkie's short stay in Wigtownshire. He buys 'broadsheets' in quantity (quires) and it seems that after delivering himself of a spiel (to use a modern term) he sells the sheets and makes a profit on them. This enterprise is to him known as a "cadge" as I read it, but it's interesting that he sees himself as a beggar too. Evidently local booksellers carried stocks of these sheets for the use of such itinerants as Hawkie. Another aspect which is unfamiliar is that a beggar "calls" a town or village as he, or she, goes the rounds and asks for small donations. "I came to Ferrytown of Cree, which is a poor town, containing a few one-storeyed, thatched houses, occupied mostly by Irish families, the most of whom support idleness at the expense of misery. As I entered the village I was accosted by several men and children, asking if I wanted lodgings. That is a bad sign, I therefore declined the whole of the offers. "At last, a woman with a basket came up and offered a bed at 3d. a night. I went with her and was agreeably disappointed in finding a good lodging, fire and bed. There is no use of a traveller calling this village, as one third of the inhabitants are all beggars. I therefore started for Newton-Stewart, about six or seven miles distant. This is a smart and good town, containing shops of all descriptions, it consists of one street, being a row of houses on each side of about three-quarters of a mile in length, with another street leading to the Ferrytown of Cree. It is good work for a cadge, and is worth, on an average, from 3s. 6d. to 4s. "In most places in Galloway the "farm" lodgings are against the common lodging houses, as the travellers seldom come to these in this district except when selling, on a cold or wet night. There are a great number of beggars, but all are of the lazy cast, and, when coming from their rounds, few lodging-houses will admit them, as it is impossible they can be clean, and, although I am a beggar, I would scarce feed a dog with the scraps of food that they carry, after cadging, with it on their back through the day, with a child riding above it, and lying under their heads for a pillow at night. Yet, I often wondered to see in lodging-houses, respectable women demeaning themselves to purchase and offer to any person, the articles they would not use themselves. In Galloway, it would be hard to estimate either the number of beggars or the expense of their support. "I left Newton-Stewart and came to Glenluce, this is a small moorland village, poor, but charitable. It is famous as the burying place of the celebrated "Michael Scott", whose memory will be ever dear to those who cherish the recital of witch and fairy tales. "I proceeded to Stranraer, which is the largest town inn the county. I had "called" it before. I do not know how to term this place, as it contains an Ireland - a Dublin and a Belfast - of its own. The first time I visited it was on a Saturday. Their own poor, as they called them, were calling the town, who, by appearance, were all Irish. The answer I got at almost every door was, "We serve none but our own poor." I thought I was never going to get one halfpenny, but at last I got twopence, and went to a bookseller's shop, where I found a few quires of "Watty and Meg" I went and started the town, and in less than an hour I had upwards of five shillings. "By this time it was getting far on in the afternoon, so I recruited my stock, and held forth "A cure for ill wives", knowing that if I did not sell that night, I would have little chance on Monday, so I continued till on the border of 10 o'clock, when I had sold night to three quires, and by that means made up an ill day's cadge. I halted here for some days, and then, travelling by the Carron and Ballantrae road, I came to Girvan. [Then onward into Ayshire.]

I have been researching Lewis Dalrymple (1794-1843) who married Mary Headley in the US. He is buried in Ohio - where two of the children remained with their families. This is my brick wall! A book published about John indicates that his parents, Lewis and Mary, were born in New Jersey, yet available census records show them to have been born in Pennsylvania. They had four children. John, Ira, and Elvira were born in PA. Pamela was born in NY. The family always refers to our Scottish heritage, but there are so many variables as to Lewis's birth as to where his parents may have been. There seem to be no records about Lewis's siblings. So, I am hoping one of our participants is searching for this match and can help me!

Ailsa, I'm wondering whether you have any idea of how treasured your greatgrandfather's 1853 journal would be in Australia! Is there any way you could send it to me, should you and your family be willing? I don't think I'll sleep until you reply! Peter Ross ----- Original Message ----- From: "ailsa158" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Stranraer (Dalrymple Street) Reformatory,Wigtownshire > Is the Reformatory School the same as a Ragged School? > > My great grandfather, born in Stranraer, kept a journal while on board > ship > to Australia in 1853. Someone (perhaps his brother still in Stranraer?) > had > extracts of the journal bound and the proceeds of its sale were to go to > the > Ragged School. I presume the Ragged School was in Stranraer. > > Regards, > > Ailsa > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of > [email protected] > Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 8:45 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [WIG LIST] Stranraer (Dalrymple Street) Reformatory, Wigtownshire > > This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. > > Author: AnneBurton23 > Surnames: > Classification: queries > > Message Board URL: > > http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2097/mb > .ashx > > Message Board Post: > > Can any one tell me if this was an actual "reformatory" or was it just > another type of school? > I would appreciate more information on it--I think I have found a young > relative (12 years old) that was listed in the 1871 Census along with many > many more young children. What would be their "crimes" if it was truly a > reform school? > > Important Note: > The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you > would > like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above > and > respond on the board. > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Is the Reformatory School the same as a Ragged School? My great grandfather, born in Stranraer, kept a journal while on board ship to Australia in 1853. Someone (perhaps his brother still in Stranraer?) had extracts of the journal bound and the proceeds of its sale were to go to the Ragged School. I presume the Ragged School was in Stranraer. Regards, Ailsa -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, 26 January 2011 8:45 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [WIG LIST] Stranraer (Dalrymple Street) Reformatory, Wigtownshire This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnneBurton23 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2097/mb .ashx Message Board Post: Can any one tell me if this was an actual "reformatory" or was it just another type of school? I would appreciate more information on it--I think I have found a young relative (12 years old) that was listed in the 1871 Census along with many many more young children. What would be their "crimes" if it was truly a reform school? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Shirley I dont know if there is any connection i have these Dalrymple in my family tree Kind regards jean in Aussie James Dalrymple b. 1760, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland & Janet Kay b. 1765, Cumnock, Ayr, Scotland m. 13 Jul 1792, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland M115772 William Dalrymple b. 21 May 1793, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland James* Dalrymple b. 28 Jan 1796, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland d. 6 Dec 1879, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland DC & Mary Brown b. 1794 d. 26 Apr 1874, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland DC m. abt 1817, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland Matthew Dalrymple b. 4 Mar 1798, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland Andrew Dalrymple b. 1801, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland d. 6 Jan 1870, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland DC & Mary Kennedy b. 23 Aug 1808, Kirkoswald, Ayrshire, Scotland d. 1853, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland m. 21 Mar 1827, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland Janet Dalrymple C115772 b. 27 Jun 1802, Auchinleck, Ayr, Scotland Jean Dalrymple > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

re : messages from Malcolm Paterson March 2002 : James DALRYMPLE (b.14 Mar 1724- Blerderrie, Old Luce, WIG) sp: Jannet Douglass (m.15 Jun 1749) Children : William DALRYMPLE ch 24 Sep 1750-Blerderrie, Old Luce, WIG Alexander DALRYMPLE ch 23 Jul 1762-"Blairdirrie"(Blerderrie?) sp: Janet RODIE (ch.31-Oct-1781-Old Luce, WIG, m.25 Dec 1800. I have a James Dalrymple (same as above) son of Hugh Dalrymple and Ann Horn, who had sasine of Drummore 4 May 1753 in Life Rent (M'Kerlie) This James Dalrymple had a brother,Thomas Dalrymple b. 12 June 1721 who may have been a Barrister in Dublin, whose grandson emigrated to South Australia and was g-father of my g-father. Appreciate any information on family of Hugh Dalrymple and Ann Horn.

Dear List, as a co-incidence these two items appeared in our "The Way We Were" in this weeks Wigtown Free Press Issue January 27th 2011:- January 26th 1911 "A Reformatory boy, who absconded from the institution on Saturday night, was found by a cleaner below the seat of a railway carriage at Stranraer Station on Monday morning. He had, no doubt, secreted himself in order to get a free trip to Dumfries." I may be corrected but I believe that boys from Glasgow were sent down to the Reformatory School in Stranraer. January 30 1936 "The Standing Stones of Torhouse were visited by Stranraer Wheelers at the weekend. This run was very pleasant, and the cyclists visited the County Town via Kirkcowan.   The homeward journey was made by way of Newton Stewart.  En routh the Standing Stones were visited and keenly inspected by the members." Diana Henry

No, a Reformatory was for juvenile offenders. To read more about Remand Schools, go to: http://www.corpun.com/ukre6705.htm When I was growing up 100 years ago, it was not unusual to hear of boys in reformatories or adults in prison getting the birch. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birching Here's a snip from Google about the formation of Ragged Schools: "Ragged Schools were charitable schools dedicated to the free education of destitute children in 19th century England. The schools were developed in working class districts of the rapidly expanding industrial towns. In 1844, the Ragged Schools Union was established to combine resources throughout the country, providing free education, food, clothing, lodging and other home missionary services for these children. The Ragged School movement grew out of recognition that charitable and denominational schools were not beneficial for children in inner-city areas. Working in the poorest districts, teachers (who were often local working people) initially utilised stables, lofts, and railway arches for their classes. There was an emphasis on reading, writing, arithmetic, and study of the Bible. The curriculum expanded into industrial and commercial subjects in many schools. It is estimated that around 300,000 children went through the London Ragged Schools alone between 1844 and 1881." From: "ailsa158" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Stranraer (Dalrymple Street) Reformatory,Wigtownshire Is the Reformatory School the same as a Ragged School? My great grandfather, born in Stranraer, kept a journal while on board ship to Australia in 1853. Someone (perhaps his brother still in Stranraer?) had extracts of the journal bound and the proceeds of its sale were to go to the Ragged School. I presume the Ragged School was in Stranraer. Regards, Ailsa > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: AnneBurton23 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2097/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Can any one tell me if this was an actual "reformatory" or was it just another type of school? I would appreciate more information on it--I think I have found a young relative (12 years old) that was listed in the 1871 Census along with many many more young children. What would be their "crimes" if it was truly a reform school? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello Carolyn....If you type The standing stones of Torhouse and then click on the Wikipedia web site you will find good info about the stones...I was interested in the last paragraph about a stone in the dyke near the circle.  I had never heard this story before.  As children we were told off for using bad language [it was only mischief to see if we could get away with it without the 'grown ups' hearing us.  If we were heard we were marched to the 'hole stone' and told to put our heads in the hole and swear three times because on the third oath our heads would be stuck in the hole forever.  I can remember saying ****** twice, but never the third time.  I like the version on Wikipedia better. The knowing never pass without depositing a stone or pebble therein, as a gift to pass in peace...... Hope this is of help to you....Norma

Hi Carolyn....If you type The Standing Stones of Torhouse and click on the Wikipedia web site you will find good info about the stones.   I was interested in the last paragraph about a stone in the dyke near the circle.  I had never heard this story before.  As children we were told off for using bad language  [it was only mischief to see if we could get away with it without the grown ups hearing us.]   If we were heard we were marched to the 'hole stone' and told to swear three times because on the third oath our heads would be stuck forever in the hole...I can remember saying ****** twice but never the third time.   I like the version on Wikipedia better.   Hope this is of help to you.....Norma ________________________________ From: Carolyn Achata <[email protected]> To: Norma <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, 24 January, 2011 3:35:12 Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Fw: Torhousemuir Wigtownshire List Norma, I have been to the standing stones at Torhousemuir several times and have some good pictures of them. In your searches, have you run across any more information about them than what is on the historical marker? Regards, Carolyn Achata In Tennessee, USA On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 5:52 PM, Norma <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: NORMA BELL <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 23 January, 2011 22:49:47 > Subject: Fw: Torhousemuir Wigtownshire List > > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Norma <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Sunday, 23 January, 2011 22:34:38 > Subject: Torhousemuir Wigtownshire List > > > Dear List.....I have been following with interest the recent subject of > Torhouseuir from Guy Colby to Andrea Walker.  We are still busy with our >project > of the 1881 to 1901 censuses.  'We' being Andrew [Drew] Horner and his wife > Sheila who live at Torhousemuir and myself.  Drew is the third generation of > Horners' to live there as a crofter.  Our paper work is nearly ready,  the hard > part is placing the families to the crofts etc. but the photos are coming along > quite well.  In the summer the bracken etc is too high to find any remains of > cottages and and in the winter too wet or snowy.  Just can't win. Drew is > searching for sites on the quad bike and Sheila and I are studying maps and > census returns.  As soon as all this ice and frost go we will be back out with > the camera.  Looking forward to getting it all put together.    Norma Bell. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Carolyn Achata

----- Forwarded Message ---- From: NORMA BELL <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 23 January, 2011 22:49:47 Subject: Fw: Torhousemuir Wigtownshire List ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Norma <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, 23 January, 2011 22:34:38 Subject: Torhousemuir Wigtownshire List Dear List.....I have been following with interest the recent subject of Torhouseuir from Guy Colby to Andrea Walker.  We are still busy with our project of the 1881 to 1901 censuses.  'We' being Andrew [Drew] Horner and his wife Sheila who live at Torhousemuir and myself.  Drew is the third generation of Horners' to live there as a crofter.  Our paper work is nearly ready,  the hard part is placing the families to the crofts etc. but the photos are coming along quite well.  In the summer the bracken etc is too high to find any remains of cottages and and in the winter too wet or snowy.  Just can't win. Drew is searching for sites on the quad bike and Sheila and I are studying maps and census returns.  As soon as all this ice and frost go we will be back out with the camera.  Looking forward to getting it all put together.    Norma Bell.

Dear List -- The message below originally went to my 5th cousin, Andrea Walker, with a copy to the Wig List. I knew that the photos would not go through, since Rootsweb does not permit attachments, but I thought that perhaps others might have an interest in the message. Now Mary Richardson tells me that attaching the photos made the file so large that the message itself was rejected, so I am reposting just the text. If anyone would like a copy of Norma's photos, I would be happy to send them off list. Guy I. Colby IV ----- Original Message ----- From: GUY I IV COLBY To: Andrea Walker ; Andrea Walker (alt) Cc: Wigtownshire List Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2011 10:53 PM Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] Torhousemuir Photos Andrea -- Attached are two photos which Norma Bell sent me a year or so ago. The ruined house is Mount Pleasant at Torhousemuir; it was the home of your 3rd great grandparents, Alexander SMITH and Ann MARSHALL. The other house is Ha' Hill at Torhousemuir, which was the home of Norma's great grandparents, Isabella McMEEKAN and John LAIRD (son of Margaret MARSHALL and David LAIRD). It is still occupied today. Norma (who is our 4th cousin, once removed) lives about 7 km from Torhousemuir, and she is engaged in an extremely ambitious local history project. She is working methodically through the censuses (1841-1881), establishing exactly which family belonged in each Torhousemuir croft and cot house, and she is documenting her research photographically. Unfortunately, she tells me that the cot house in which our 4th great grandparents Clement and Catherine MARSHALL lived is no longer standing. I am hoping that when she completes her work, she will put it up on a website, and perhaps Crawford and Leigh-Ann can add a link to it on the Wig pages. I am copying the Wig List on this message; even though the attachments won't go through, there may be others who have an interest. Yes indeed, I would be interested in your Torhousemuir photos, though I do have one of the stone circle (which I pulled off a Scottish tourism website). I hope that by now your grandchild has arrived safe and sound, and that everyone is well. Guy I. Colby IV Irving, TX