Hello listers, Do any of you know of anyone who has researched former occupants of Kirkcowan Parish, like those on the 1684 census? I've noticed a few Barrony's with what looks like crofters living around on the land. It may be that these were old estates no longer existing. I'm particularly looking for information on one of those Barrony's by the name of Sleudinle and the McCrackens there, Robert and Gilbert. It looks like 12 crofts are listed on that estate. Thank you very much. Carolyn -- Carolyn Achata

Maisie - Its not uncommon to find a Bann entry in TWO parish books. The parish of the Bride and the parish of the Groom. If Kelton seems unlikely as the source of that missing piece of paper with the marriage data on it, maybe it was an entry in another parish ? Were they both from Kelton ? Was the bride's parents living in another parish that may have served as the 'other' parish even though she wasn't born there ? Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma ------------------------------------------

Thanks, Meg, William Clint, b. 1792, Kelton (and that is ALL I have on him, except for an educated guess that his father may have been a James Clint from Troqueer (b?) m. to Elizabeth, ?,?. His grandfather is perhaps Thomas Clint, b. 1731, d. 1796, Carlingwark. No wife listed. William Clint's wife, Sarah Hyslop, b. 1795, is from Auchencairn, Kirkcudbrightshire. Both she and William Clint died in Auchencairn. William and Sarah had nine children, eight of them born in Auchencairn, and their first, Janet, b 1824 approx., was born in Castle Douglas. Sarah Hyslop's father, William Hyslop, b. 1752, was from Penpoint Dumfriesshire, and her mother Sarah Thomson, b. 1756, from Kelton, Kirkcudbrightshire. William Hyslop's parents are most likely James Hyslop, b.1723, Kirkconnell, Dumfriesshire, and Agnes Milligan, b. 1723, Dumfries, d. 1800, Port Mary, Wigtownshire. In turn, James Hyslop's parents appear to be James Hyslop (?,?) married 1790 Elizabeth McNaught, b ?, Colvend, Kirkcudbrightshire. Some of the information I have is confirmed, but other info is iffy, hanging by a thread! Back to William Clint and Sarah Hyslop. Auchencairn is in the parish of Rerrick and at the possible time of their marriage there was no C of S or Free C of S church in Auchencairn, only a Baptist church, as I have been led to believe. As their firstborn, Janet, was born in Castle Douglas, this is why I wondered if the marriage (whether at home or not) would be in Kelton Parish. Yes, I would assume that Sarah Hyslop's parents were living in Auchencairn, where she was born. Both the help at NRH and NAS seemingly cannot find this book with the proclamation of banns for William Clint and Sarah Hyslop. Unfortunately I cannot remember any of the details, except for remembering that the record was handwritten (of course for that period!) and that I was so excited about having the actual handwritten record in my hand for me to scribble down some notes. Maybe I need to "hang it up!" if the Kelton records are so poor. Maisie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg Greenwood" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 2:22 PM Subject: [WIG LIST] No record of banns at NRH/NAS? > Maisie - Its not uncommon to find a Bann entry in TWO parish books. The > parish of the Bride and the parish of the Groom. If Kelton seems > unlikely as the source of that missing piece of paper with the marriage > data on it, maybe it was an entry in another parish ? > > Were they both from Kelton ? Was the bride's parents living in another > parish that may have served as the 'other' parish even though she wasn't > born there ? Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma > ------------------------------------------ > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well, there comes a time.... I have been trying for more than half my life to try to document where my husband's great-grandfather's roots are in Co. Tyrone, Ireland, but to no avail. After he came to the USA, things were a bit brighter and we were able to follow a rather flimsy paper trail until he died as a result of an injury whilst serving as a soldier during the American Revolutionary War. The staff at the cemetery where he is buried in Baltimore, Maryland, were outstanding in checking the 1863 records on to confirm, too, that a son was also buried in the same lair. That nailed that coffin shut, metaphorically speaking, where the records on this side of the water are concerned, but still not where my husband's great-grandfather's roots were in Ireland. I have also been trying "forever" to confirm where my great-great grandfather was actually born, married, and where his first child was christened, perhaps in Castle Douglas (old name Carlin(g)wark), Kelton, Kirkcudbrightshire. As I've noted before, I know I saw the book with the entry of their banns when I was at New Register House, Edinburgh, in 1976, as I had scribbled down the information. Where that piece of paper is now is anybody's guess. To try to get a digitised copy of this record of the banns seems to have taken on the proportions of washing an elephant as "no one" seems to be able to find the record book. This response from NAS (National Archives Scotland) may now have put the tin lid on further exploration on my part to try to confirm where my forebear had his roots. Perhaps the comments may help others who are "barking up the wrong tree" to realise that sometimes we're destined not to find anything further as the records are just not there for certain parishes. Maisie ----------------------------- ....further enquiries are best addressed to the general email contact address: [email protected] If you have a strong feeling that you saw a record relating to a marriage in New Register House then there is probably no point in pursuing the matter further in NAS. GROS can advise you further about the keeping of the OPRs in New Register House but they could not have been 'chucked' as you state as they form part of vital series of records. Also the surviving registers are very well documented in other published sources. ....Old Statistical Accounts are very useful for telling you about record-keeping practices in Scottish parishes. The relevant section of the entry for Kelton reads as follows:- "Parochial Registers.--It is to be hoped that there are few pa- rishes in Scotland, the registers of which have been so carelessly kept as those of Kelton. The session records extend no farther back than the year 1715. For the next eleven years from that date the preceedings of the session are reguilarly minuted, and the register of births is also complete. But from 1726 down 1762, neither record nor register can be found. For the next twenty-two years they have been regularly kept; but from 1794 down to 1839 no regular records appear to have been kept, and the regis- ter of births has been quite neglected. The transaction of the session are now regularly minuted; but so inveterate has become the habit of neglecting the register that not one parent in ten can be persuaded to record the births of his children." Record-keeping in the parishes did vary considerably from parish to parish unfortunately and it is not uncommon to find gaps in the registers where a minister/session clerk was unwell, where there may have been a fire, where a charge was vacant for a time etc. Although they were all obliged to keep good registers, many did not although Kelton appears to have been a particularly poor example. For information, most proclamations of banns ... give the name of the couple and their place of residence. I have rarely seen parents names given.... Although we do hold some registers of non-conformist churches (i.e. churches other than the Church of Scotland) they are not indexed by name so a search can prove time-consuming.... NAS

Hello all, My Name is Laurence A. McCaig from Massachusetts USA. I joined your list and have been quietly reading your posts for the past several weeks. This posting is an introduction to myself/ The families that I am working on from Wigtownshire are o McCaig - My Great Great grandfather Benjamin McCaig born 9 Dec 1850 of Glasserton, his father Robert McCaig, apparently born 25 June 1826 Kilcoo, Co Down, Ireland, but died 23 Feb 1915 at Mochrum. o Muir - Janet Muir born April 1, 1848 and wife of Great Great Grandfather Benjamin she was from Sorbie. Her Father John Muir born at Kirkinner Sept 24, 1809. then David father of John 1768 and his father Stewart 1738 There are also McTier, Thompson and Murry and Shaw as well as Wallace, Petterson, Campbell and many others. I will be glad to meet others who are gathering information on any of the families mentioned. I have been enjoying the Digests that you send out Thank you, Laurie McCaig

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: williammcclurg Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2099/mb.ashx Message Board Post: A partial list of the Gale to NY 1774: www.immigrantships.net/v4/gale17740516html Also, Google>Gale of Whitehaven. Different surnames have listed their ancestors who came on this ship at this time. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: megstar97 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1032.4.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: John McHarg born 1733 Wigtownshire, Scotland married Grisal Kellie (B: 14 August 1748 Kirkmadrine, Scotland, D: 20 September 1843 Albany, New York) on 29 March 1770 Scotland. John died on 23 December 1803 in Albany Rural Cemetery, Albany, New York. There is a very large monument for him there. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: megstar97 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1032.4.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There were more Irish in the area so their spelling of Galway won out. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: megstar97 Surnames: Kelly, Kellie Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/1032.5/mb.ashx Message Board Post: 16 May 1774 the "Gale of Whithaven" sailed from Stranraer, Scotland bound for New York. Captain Henry Jefferson as Master. Had a stormy passage of nine weeks, they arrived on 20 July 1777. The cost of passage cost each person twenty guineas. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: megstar97 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/940.9/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am interested in your Gibson family, my direct line was Robert Kellie of Kirkmadrine. He married Mary Gibson on 20 July 1764 in the Parish of Stoneykirk, Scotland. She was born about 1734 and died shortly after arriving in the US. Thanks Larry Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

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re: HOUSE OF DALRYMPLE. The 2nd Earl of Stair was Colonel of the Inniskillin Dragoons 1714/15 and 1743-45. He was Colonel of the Scots Greys 1745-47. Lord Hew Dalrymple of Drummore b.1690 d.1755 was a nephew of the 1st Earl of Stair. Lord Drummore, a Law Lord, m. 1711 Ann Horn (Scots Peerage vol. 8, p.132) and apparently he had sasine in life-rent of Drummore 4 May 1753, after which Drummore went to the Earl of Stair. There are a couple of advertisements : "London Daily Advertiser" - January 23 1750, London, Middlesex. LONDON. The Hon. Captain Thomas Dalrymple, Son of the Lord Dromore, is appointed Major of the Regiment of Dragoons late Lord Rothes's. and "Gentleman's monthly Intelligencer ; volume 19. AD1750. p.45 Promotions Civil and Military. Hon. captain Thomas Dalrymple, made major of the reg. of dragoons, late Lord Rothes's. "Historical Records of the Family of Leslie" pp128-130 (extract) John, Earl of Rothes, entered the army and was captain of dragoons in 1715. He was made colonel of the 2nd troop of Horse Grenadier Guards 25th April 1745. He obtained command of the Scots Greys, 16th January 1750, (apparently about the same time as Thomas Dalrymple was made Major of the Dragoons). Earl of Rothes was appointed Governor of Duncannon fort, and a lieutenant-general on the Staff in Ireland in 1751. etc. Was the above advertisement in "London Daily Advertiser" correct in naming Thomas, a son of Lord Dromore, as the son of Lord Dromore, Thomas b.1721 appears to be the one who m.1755 in Dublin and was a Barrister there. Was he an Attorney for the Army ? Is there another Thomas Dalrymple ?

Thanks everyone for the information on this family. No wonder I couldn't find them in 1851. I thought I had tried all spelling variants but obviously not. It's great to see that after so long away from the LIST that it is still as great as ever. Fiona. ====== Genealogist/Writer 0f MOURNE MINERS http://web.me.com/fmj170901/Mourne_Miners_Genealogy_Publications/Home.html IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.igp-web.com/down/ Moderator CDG Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CountyDownGenealogy/ =======

Hello Everyone - it's been a LONG while since I have been on the LIST. Is "Big Bill" still here? I was wondering if he ever found the following family on the 1851 census? 1841 Census: In 1841 Alexander was living in Gillholes, Kirkinner with his wife Jean, his daughter Elizabeth and his son Alexander. Piece: SCT1841/889 Place: Kirkinner-Wigtownshire Enumeration District: 2 Civil Parish: Kirkinner Ecclesiastical Parish, Village or Island: Kirkinner Folio: 2 Page: 11 Address: Gillholes MCCARMICK Alexander M 60 Hand Loom Weaver Wigtownshire MCCARMICK Jean F 50 Wigtownshire MCCARMICK Anthony M 15 Wigtownshire MCCARMICK Elizabeth F 15 Wigtownshire I was looking for them today but don't seem to be able to find them. Fiona. ====== Genealogist/Writer 0f MOURNE MINERS http://web.me.com/fmj170901/Mourne_Miners_Genealogy_Publications/Home.html IGP Co. Down Coordinator http://www.igp-web.com/down/ Moderator CDG Group http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CountyDownGenealogy/ =======

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: angelamay12 Surnames: MILHENCH Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.scotland.wig.general/2098/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Would anyone have any information on Antony Milhench born c 1713 Wigtown or his Wife Jean Cleave born c 1726 or their children. Alexander Milhench born c 1747 moved to Yorkshire Regards Angela Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

If there is anyone who lives in the Inch Parish area that could take a photo for me there, I'd really appreciate it... Barbara L.

Hi Guy, Is this the one? Old Wigtown Kirkyard Birchman transcript No 505 Erected by Annie Smith in loving memory of her husband Alex Smith died at Torhousemuir 21st Jan 1897 aged 70 years Also their daughter Helen died 27th Feb 1880 aged 25 years Also their daughter Isabella died 11th Dec 1886 aged 16 years Also their son William died Nov 1864 aged 4 years Also the above named Annie Smith who died at Wigtown on 28th April 1914 aged 87 years Regards, Bruce On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:06 PM, GUY I IV COLBY <[email protected]>wrote: > Norma -- > > If you would be so kind, I would also like to have copies of these photos. > Do you also have one of the headstone for Ann, wife of Alexander Smith? If > not, do you perchance have have a transcription of her MI? > > Many thanks, > > Guy I. Colby IV > Irving, TX >

Dear Norma, I would also appreciate a copy of the photograph of the headstone of David Smith (husband of Margaret, my distant Porter relative). Thank you. Regards, Dianne Pells.

Working on a project for my Indiana cousin who will be visiting Wig soon, I've had a field day this evening with Geograph: http://www.geograph.org.uk/. It's been a good while since I visited the site, so I was amazed to see how much has been added. There are SO many Wig photos. I happened to start with the Torhouse Standing Stones, but choose what you like...and by all means enjoy! Mary

Mary -- Thanks so much for sending this, and for passing along Norma's message and attachments. My guess is that the little sign just marks a turnoff to Balmeg/Torhousemuir (though obviously not at the location shown in Norma's photos). I gather from reading M'Kerlie's History that it was once a very substantial estate; Norma says that in the mid 19th century, there were 54 crofts. According to Joe Whiteford's book, the number of occupied crofts had fallen to around a dozen by 1935. M'Kerlie uses the terms Torhousemuir and Balmeg interchangeably; he derives the name Balmeg from Gaelic baile mbeag (supposedly, "little house"). Thanks again, Guy I. Colby IV Irving, TX ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Richardson To: Guy Colby Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Torhousemuir Photos Have attached Balmeg. I, too, have considered it synonymous with Torhousemuir. If you go to Google maps, you can see what it thinks is Balmeg: Balmeg, Torhousemuir - more info » Wigtown, Newton Stewart, Dumfries and Galloway DG8 9DJ, UK In Streetview, you can drag the little orange person to the fork in the road just north of the white cot. There, you can zoom in on a small sign that reads Balmeg -- next to something covered in a blue tarp. Not sure what all this means as I consider Balmeg/Torhousemuir an extensive estate, not just one building. Today, Norma told me that they've determined exactly where my PARKERs lived in 1841, and she sent me an old map that shows the location. It's basically where Barnanchor Croft appears on the OS map that you can view at Streetmap. In 1841, the household that was enumerated just after Isaac PARKER was that of Thomas and Wilhelmina McCLYMONT. Will forward Norma's e-mail, so you will have her findings, too. Mary From: "GUY I IV COLBY" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> Subject: Torhousemuir Photos Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 15:55:52 -0600 Dear Wig List Friends -- Per your request, please find attached the two Torhousemuir photos which Norma Bell sent me last year. The ruined cot house is Mount Pleasant, the home of my 3rd great grandfather's sister, Ann MARSHALL, and her husband, Alexander SMITH. The tidy little crofter's cottage (still occupied today) is Ha' Hill, which was the home of John LAIRD and his wife, Isabella McMEEKAN. John LAIRD was the son of Margaret MARSHALL, another of the sisters of my 3rd great grandfather, James MARSHALL. I note that Norma recently posted to the list a status of her undertaking to match all the crofts and cot houses at Torhousemuir Estates to the families listed in the censuses from 1841 to 1901, and to document her findings photographically. This is a wonderfully ambitious local history project, and I eagerly look forward to seeing the final results. To Mary Richardson: Yes, I would be interested in looking at your Balmeg photos. According to the M'Kerlie History, Balmeg Village was more or less synonymous with Torehousemuir. Regards, Guy I. Colby IV Irving, TX