Hi Maisie and Leonard and everyone else who would like to be adventurous. I can make a good dumplin' as shown by my mother. No real recipe but I know how it tastes "raw" having scraped the bowl many a time. If anyone wants to try it making a dumpling there are many recipes on the Internet. Below is another tip as well as the important one of Leonards that you must dust the cloth with flour. That's what gave it the lovely "skin" when it"s finished in front of the fire. Next tip when the mixture is in the cloth you draw it up as tight as you can then bring your hands up an inch or two to ease the tightness before you tie the string. This gives it room to expand a bit. Here in Australia we can buy Tandaco Suet Mix in the supermarkets. My mother used this after she came to Australia.. A couple of years ago my brother and I were making a dumpling. I remarked to my sister in law that we were finished. I meant it was ready to go into the boiler. She thought it was done never having made one herself. I told her jokingly that it was the miracle of the microwave. Months later I Googled "Microwave Clootie Dumpling" and here is one of the links. http://allrecipes.co.uk/recipe/8576/microwave-clootie-dumpling.aspx The result is not 100% as wonderful as a traditional dumpling but it's very good and ready from start to finish in quarter of an hour. Doesn't use suet. No butter does best with margarine. Good luck Ella Ross > Hi' Maisie, > nae wunner your dumplin' turned oot soggy and hard tae > eat, ye forgot tae floor the cloot afore ye couped the mix ontae it. > > Len. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi' Maisie, nae wunner your dumplin' turned oot soggy and hard tae eat, ye forgot tae floor the cloot afore ye couped the mix ontae it. Len.

thanks for the recipe Maisie, my 86 year old mother was horrified ( justifiably) when, a few years ago, I bought some suet from the butcher to grate for a Christmas Pudding- of course it was a mess 'cause the temperature was abt 40C and the suet sort of melted - truly awful- should only attempt real suet in the cold cold climes, Jan, Australia > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 22:34:13 -0800 > Subject: [WIG LIST] Clootie dumpling recipe > > I'm not sure which part of Scotland this dialect represents, except that I got the recipe from someone who came from Midlothian. I don't recall Edinburgh folks speaking this way, and certainly not anyone from Glasgow! Is it southwest Scotland? The only thing that stumped me was Egon Thingmys. Egon Thingmys? > > For the unintiated, no one of my generation ever had a special cake made for his/her birthday with birthday candles. The highlight, the joy, was for your mother to make a clootie dumpling (a flour/fruit/spice mixture boiled in a clout---cloth ---cloot), with threepence or sixpence coins wrapped in wax paper mixed throughout, as well as wee "tokens" such as a porcelain "doll" about the length of a fingernail, a thimble, and other tokens that I can't remember now. Each token represented something, the doll maybe for spinsterhood! > > The most delicious thing about a clootie dumpling was when there was a "fry" the next morning of leftover dumpling slices fried along with bacon and black pudding. With this "diet" my mother lived until she was 92! > > I tried to make a clootie dumpling once, but as I couldn't get any suet...not "allowed" to sell it here in California ... it was stodgy and "lifeless." > > On this, my middle-aged children and their grown children have never heard of suet, yet they were very involved in the Future Farmers of America and had to know all about the innards of the animals they raised to show in competition. > > Right or wrong, I have never tried to instill my Scottish culture in my children, so as the clootie dumpling was a disaster they never enjoyed this culinary delight from the Land o' Cakes. However, on another "note," I was flabbergasted and highly amused when my U.S. Navy grandson phoned the other evening to tell me he has bought a set of bagpipes so that he can play them at my funeral. I requested "Ae Fond Kiss." I hope he has plenty of time to practice! > > Maisie > > ----------------------------------- > Recipe for a clootie dumplin' > > Punna self-raisin flour > > Punna currants an' a haunfa o' raisins > > Quarter punna suet > > Hauf punna granulatit sugar > > Fower wee teaspoonfu' o' mixed spice > > A big pincha saut > > Some mulk > > > > Rummie up the hale jing-bang in a boul, addin' a wee tate > > mulk so's ye get a dough that's stiff an' no' runny. Tim some > > bilin' watter oot the kettle inty the fit o' the basin an' spread the > > cloath (or cloot) oan tap o' the watter. > > Coup the hale o'yur dough oot the boul an' oan tae the cloot in > > the basin. Draw the coarnurs o' the cloot the gither an' tie wi' > > string. Dinnae tie the string too tight or the dumplin might burst > > efter swellin' up an ye'll be in a helluva mess. Noo, ye've a big > > bag o' dough aboot the size o' a fitba'. Nixt ye pit a plate in the > > fit o' the big poat. Then, gently, ye lower the dumplin' oan tae > > the plate. Efter that, poor as much bilin watter inty the poat as > > will cover yer dumplin'...............When yer feenished wi' a' this > > cairry-oan, ye'll mibbe wannt a cuppa tea an' a fag, or even a > > wee lie-doon. Onyway, whatever ye dae, dinnae let the > > dumplin' simmer fur mair than three-an'-a-hauf oors. Efter that > > time, wheech it oot the poat an' oan tae a plate. Peel aff the > > cloot an' therr ye huv a dish fit tae set afore a dizzen > > Egon Thingymys'!! > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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  A clootie dumplin was one of our favourites when we were growing up.  My mum used to make a huge one for us when it was our birthday. It had to be a huge one because half of the village had to get a piece, my teacher included.  Mum used a pillow case to cook it in, bought especially for that job.    Mary (South West Scotland) 

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Hi All, you can buy very good packeted suet now for those of a "delicate disposition". Can't imagine why some countries would not allow it! I believe the US is now allowing Haggis to be imported.  Rave on! Diana

I'm not sure which part of Scotland this dialect represents, except that I got the recipe from someone who came from Midlothian. I don't recall Edinburgh folks speaking this way, and certainly not anyone from Glasgow! Is it southwest Scotland? The only thing that stumped me was Egon Thingmys. Egon Thingmys? For the unintiated, no one of my generation ever had a special cake made for his/her birthday with birthday candles. The highlight, the joy, was for your mother to make a clootie dumpling (a flour/fruit/spice mixture boiled in a clout---cloth ---cloot), with threepence or sixpence coins wrapped in wax paper mixed throughout, as well as wee "tokens" such as a porcelain "doll" about the length of a fingernail, a thimble, and other tokens that I can't remember now. Each token represented something, the doll maybe for spinsterhood! The most delicious thing about a clootie dumpling was when there was a "fry" the next morning of leftover dumpling slices fried along with bacon and black pudding. With this "diet" my mother lived until she was 92! I tried to make a clootie dumpling once, but as I couldn't get any suet...not "allowed" to sell it here in California ... it was stodgy and "lifeless." On this, my middle-aged children and their grown children have never heard of suet, yet they were very involved in the Future Farmers of America and had to know all about the innards of the animals they raised to show in competition. Right or wrong, I have never tried to instill my Scottish culture in my children, so as the clootie dumpling was a disaster they never enjoyed this culinary delight from the Land o' Cakes. However, on another "note," I was flabbergasted and highly amused when my U.S. Navy grandson phoned the other evening to tell me he has bought a set of bagpipes so that he can play them at my funeral. I requested "Ae Fond Kiss." I hope he has plenty of time to practice! Maisie ----------------------------------- Recipe for a clootie dumplin' Punna self-raisin flour Punna currants an' a haunfa o' raisins Quarter punna suet Hauf punna granulatit sugar Fower wee teaspoonfu' o' mixed spice A big pincha saut Some mulk Rummie up the hale jing-bang in a boul, addin' a wee tate mulk so's ye get a dough that's stiff an' no' runny. Tim some bilin' watter oot the kettle inty the fit o' the basin an' spread the cloath (or cloot) oan tap o' the watter. Coup the hale o'yur dough oot the boul an' oan tae the cloot in the basin. Draw the coarnurs o' the cloot the gither an' tie wi' string. Dinnae tie the string too tight or the dumplin might burst efter swellin' up an ye'll be in a helluva mess. Noo, ye've a big bag o' dough aboot the size o' a fitba'. Nixt ye pit a plate in the fit o' the big poat. Then, gently, ye lower the dumplin' oan tae the plate. Efter that, poor as much bilin watter inty the poat as will cover yer dumplin'...............When yer feenished wi' a' this cairry-oan, ye'll mibbe wannt a cuppa tea an' a fag, or even a wee lie-doon. Onyway, whatever ye dae, dinnae let the dumplin' simmer fur mair than three-an'-a-hauf oors. Efter that time, wheech it oot the poat an' oan tae a plate. Peel aff the cloot an' therr ye huv a dish fit tae set afore a dizzen Egon Thingymys'!!

>Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2011 12:54:46 -0700 >From: "Robert Wright" <[email protected]> > >Source: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Irish Genealogy] Fw: [Lanark] Who Do You Think You Are > >I had worked in PRONI for several years chasing my Co. Armagh ancestors, >along with both the Irish National Archives and Irish Library in Dublin. >Much to my surprise I learned that the Representative Church Body in a >Dublin suburb still has some parish registers that have not been put into >the official archives. When I visited them I learned that they did not have >the specific Armagh parishes that I needed. After checking their records >they informed me that those 19th Cent. registers were still in the hands of >the actual parish churches. It might be worth a call if you suspect that >your search has run into that same apparent dead end. > Robert Wright > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Maisie Egger" <[email protected]> >To: "IRELANDGENWEB" <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2011 1:25 PM >Subject: [Irish Genealogy] Fw: [Lanark] Who Do You Think You Are > > > Last evening another episode of the American version of Who Do You Think > > You Are was shown on t.v., profiling celebrity Rosie O'Donell on the prowl > > to trace her mother's Irish ancestry....

Hi Maisie Yes I thought the "tour" through the poorhouse was very sobering.  My ancestor got out of Ireland in 1848 by "Stealing a carrot" she was transported for 10 years to Tasmania Australia she served her time by working on farms around Launceston married another prisoner and then moved to New Zealand . I know through my research many of the poor in Ireland and England committed petty crimes so they could be transported out of the poverty. My other ancestor who was living in the slums of Glasgow was lucky enough to be sponsored by the Presbyterian Church and he and his family left on "The Duchess of Argyle" in 1842 to a very primitive Auckland town. Both families ended up with  very healthy happy lives unlike their brothers and sisters back home in Britain Donna ----- Original Message ----- From: Maisie Egger <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, February 19, 2011 10:15 am Subject: [WIG LIST] Fw: [Lanark] Who Do You Think You Are To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > Subject: Who Do You Think You Are > > >  Last evening another episode of the American version of > Who Do You Think > You Are was shown on t.v., profiling celebrity Rose O'Donell on > the prowl to > trace her mother's Irish ancestry.  As a celebrity, of > course, all the > legwork was done for her at various levels by the different > professionals in > libraries, archival repositories, and clergy in Ireland > unearthing old > baptismal church records, to a trip to a poorhouse in Kildare > which was the > watershed, if you will, of how she found out how her family got > to America. > >  The access to the old actual church records  > surprised me a little as I > thought that most documents would now be in such as PRONI, > Belfast, or its > equivalent in Dublin.  For example, the canon in the R.C. > church we visited > in Donaghmore, Co. Tyrone, where we were trying to trace my > husband's > great-grandfather, Patrick Skiffington, indicated that the > church records > did not go back far enough and we'd have to go to PRONI or > (National > Archives of Ireland) Dublin. > >  The programme also reinforced how difficult it is to trace > a forebear back > to a specific area in Ireland as most documents (such as > censuses) just gave > Ireland as the place of birth.  At some point, however, > there was a > breakthrough that showed a connection to Kildare, and it was > from there that > Rosie's Irish family were connected to the poorhouse where they > were > sponsored by a (Scottish named family by the name of McDonald!) > to go to > (French) Canada.  At some point the family ended up in > Massachusetts, USA. > (I missed that step of how they ended up there!) > >  The amateurs among us would assume that with a name like > O'Donnell, the > family had to be R.C., and the logical place would be to go to > the R.C. > church, but as Rose was tracing her mother's Murta/Murtagh side, > it turned > out that one of the male forebears was Protestant.  At some > point he had to > be "passed off" as R.C.  Again, I must have been distracted > as I missed "the > point" of that. > >  I am fortunate in that I have been able to trace one of my > mother's > grandmothers (born 1839) to Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim,  > Ireland...and even > saw the street where she was born.  A "far-out" cousin here > in the USA > unearthed a lot of information on our mutual Irish heritage, > which she > generously shared with me..  However, even though I know > that another > great-great-grandmother on my mother's side came from Belfast > with two of > her sisters, all three of whom died in the City Poorhouse, > Parliamentary > Rd., Glasgow, I haven't begun to try to trace them back to Co. > Antrim.  They > were illiterate and poverty-stricken, and so I imagine there > would be a > sparse, if any, paper trail.  One of them was born in 1800, > Belfast, and > died in 1879 in the poorhouse in Glasgow. Again, on the > poorhouse document > it indicates that she was Protestant, to be crossed out to show > that she was > R.C. Her maiden surname was Pope! > >  I had often wondered how the poor and destitute were ever > able to leave > Ireland, especially during the Great Famine when they couldn't > even buy a > potato to stay alive, and so it was enlightening to learn that > those in the > poorhouse, if they so chose, would accept sponsorship by someone > on this > side of the world.  I also wonder if the same option was > offered those in > the poorhouse in Glasgow, for example. > >  This is a shorthand version of how a lot of sleuthing, > with the aid of many > professionals, may produce results along the way in finding that > elusive > forebear.  Most of us are not nearly so lucky.  We > have to rely on the > sleuthing of such as Nivard on the Lanark list and Malcolm on > the Wigtown > list.  There are many unnamed others who give freely of > their time and > expertise, for which we owe much appreciation.  I for one > would never have a > binderful of information if it had not been for such > unselfishness by such > "sleuths," and so another big thank you. > >  Maisie > > >   > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to SCT- > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Subject: Who Do You Think You Are Last evening another episode of the American version of Who Do You Think You Are was shown on t.v., profiling celebrity Rose O'Donell on the prowl to trace her mother's Irish ancestry. As a celebrity, of course, all the legwork was done for her at various levels by the different professionals in libraries, archival repositories, and clergy in Ireland unearthing old baptismal church records, to a trip to a poorhouse in Kildare which was the watershed, if you will, of how she found out how her family got to America. The access to the old actual church records surprised me a little as I thought that most documents would now be in such as PRONI, Belfast, or its equivalent in Dublin. For example, the canon in the R.C. church we visited in Donaghmore, Co. Tyrone, where we were trying to trace my husband's great-grandfather, Patrick Skiffington, indicated that the church records did not go back far enough and we'd have to go to PRONI or (National Archives of Ireland) Dublin. The programme also reinforced how difficult it is to trace a forebear back to a specific area in Ireland as most documents (such as censuses) just gave Ireland as the place of birth. At some point, however, there was a breakthrough that showed a connection to Kildare, and it was from there that Rosie's Irish family were connected to the poorhouse where they were sponsored by a (Scottish named family by the name of McDonald!) to go to (French) Canada. At some point the family ended up in Massachusetts, USA. (I missed that step of how they ended up there!) The amateurs among us would assume that with a name like O'Donnell, the family had to be R.C., and the logical place would be to go to the R.C. church, but as Rose was tracing her mother's Murta/Murtagh side, it turned out that one of the male forebears was Protestant. At some point he had to be "passed off" as R.C. Again, I must have been distracted as I missed "the point" of that. I am fortunate in that I have been able to trace one of my mother's grandmothers (born 1839) to Carrickfergus, Co. Antrim, Ireland...and even saw the street where she was born. A "far-out" cousin here in the USA unearthed a lot of information on our mutual Irish heritage, which she generously shared with me.. However, even though I know that another great-great-grandmother on my mother's side came from Belfast with two of her sisters, all three of whom died in the City Poorhouse, Parliamentary Rd., Glasgow, I haven't begun to try to trace them back to Co. Antrim. They were illiterate and poverty-stricken, and so I imagine there would be a sparse, if any, paper trail. One of them was born in 1800, Belfast, and died in 1879 in the poorhouse in Glasgow. Again, on the poorhouse document it indicates that she was Protestant, to be crossed out to show that she was R.C. Her maiden surname was Pope! I had often wondered how the poor and destitute were ever able to leave Ireland, especially during the Great Famine when they couldn't even buy a potato to stay alive, and so it was enlightening to learn that those in the poorhouse, if they so chose, would accept sponsorship by someone on this side of the world. I also wonder if the same option was offered those in the poorhouse in Glasgow, for example. This is a shorthand version of how a lot of sleuthing, with the aid of many professionals, may produce results along the way in finding that elusive forebear. Most of us are not nearly so lucky. We have to rely on the sleuthing of such as Nivard on the Lanark list and Malcolm on the Wigtown list. There are many unnamed others who give freely of their time and expertise, for which we owe much appreciation. I for one would never have a binderful of information if it had not been for such unselfishness by such "sleuths," and so another big thank you. Maisie

Hi Randy, I don't know about 02 Oct 1853, but I have a Violet CAIRD, wife of James McWILLIAM, who died there on 08 Oct 1853. I suspect this is the one you are looking for? Violet was born Kirkinner 08 May 1778 to Gavin CAIRD & Agnes McLAUCHLAN. Her sister Ann was my ggg'grandmother. Regards, Bruce On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 4:10 PM, Randy Chapple <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi all, > >            Can someone who has access to the 1861 census look up in the > town of Wigtown all of the female married ladies bearing the surname > McWilliam please.  I am trying to find a first name for a Mrs McWilliam who > died in Wigtown on Oct 2. 1853.  This is a process of elimination.  If you > send the info back in the same format I would appreciate it > > In the 1851 census there are the following > > First name        Age in 1851 > > Ann                 40 > > Catherine         27 > > Elizabeth          60 > > Helen               46 > > Isabella            24 > > Janet                36 > > Mary                29 > > Sarah Ann        54 > > Violet               74 > > > > First name        Age in 1861 > > ???????            ?? > > > > Thanks > > Randy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I am researching a Susannah LEYBURN b. approx 1782 +/- 1 year.  I am hitting a brick wall researching Susannah's  line and would like to ask if someone could please look up monumental inscriptions for LEYBURN / LYBURN / LAYBURNE in Wigtown.  She gave her birthplace as Port William (1861 census) and Mochrum (1851 census).   Susannah was married to a John Duncan of Kincardine O'Neil who served with the 92nd regiment of Foot. They had 3 sons born 1818, 1820 and 1825 in Mochrum, Wigtown.  A daughter, Margaret was born in Wigtown in 1813 +/- 2 years.  Any info on Margaret Duncan would also be greatly appreciated.  Margaret was not raised with the family due to some sort of handicap - deaf, blind, something like that; and may have been raised by Leyburn's in Wigtown. Thank you, Linda from the Land of Enchantment

Dear Linda, According to the index for the Old Kirkyard in Wigtown, no DUNCANs or LEYBURNs, etc., are buried there. I understand from Sandy Pittendreigh that the Dumfries and Galloway Family History Society has acquired permission to publish Jock Birchman's MI transcriptions in a series of booklets and that most should be available some time this year. About five years ago, Anton McLoughlin shared numerous Mochrum OPR transcripts with the Wig list. You didn't mention a son born in 1823, so this may interest you: DUNCAN James on 20 April 1823 at Portwilliam to John Duncan and Susanna Leyburn Regards, Mary Richardson At 10:12 AM 2/16/2011, [email protected] wrote: >I am researching a Susannah LEYBURN b. approx 1782 +/- 1 year. I am >hitting a brick wall researching Susannah's line and would like to >ask if someone could please look up monumental inscriptions for >LEYBURN / LYBURN / LAYBURNE in Wigtown. She gave her birthplace as >Port William (1861 census) and Mochrum (1851 census). Susannah was >married to a John Duncan of Kincardine O'Neil who served with the >92nd regiment of Foot. They had 3 sons born 1818, 1820 and 1825 in >Mochrum, Wigtown. A daughter, Margaret was born in Wigtown in 1813 >+/- 2 years. Any info on Margaret Duncan would also be greatly >appreciated. Margaret was not raised with the family due to some >sort of handicap - deaf, blind, something like that; and may have >been raised by Leyburn's in Wigtown. > >Thank you, > >Linda from the Land of Enchantment

oops, forgot the list  ----- Jo-Ann ----- Forwarded Message ---- > From: Jo-Ann Croft <[email protected]> > To: Randy Chapple <[email protected]> > Sent: Wed, February 16, 2011 6:04:05 AM > Subject: Re: [WIG LIST] 1861 Census Look-up please for McWilliam in Wigtown > > In case Violet is not the one, here is the list containing all wives or heads > for 1861.  This is from ancestry.com so I couldn't look at the census page to > determine if Nicholas was male or female.  Again, this is from ancestry.com so >I > > don't know how accurate the age transcriptions are. > > First name        Age in 1861 > Elizabeth 70 > Jane 69 > Janet 60 > Nicholas 55 > Hellen 54 > Sarah 47 > Ann 45 > Catherine 35 > Margaret 34 >  ----- > Jo-Ann >

Hi all, Can someone who has access to the 1861 census look up in the town of Wigtown all of the female married ladies bearing the surname McWilliam please. I am trying to find a first name for a Mrs McWilliam who died in Wigtown on Oct 2. 1853. This is a process of elimination. If you send the info back in the same format I would appreciate it In the 1851 census there are the following First name Age in 1851 Ann 40 Catherine 27 Elizabeth 60 Helen 46 Isabella 24 Janet 36 Mary 29 Sarah Ann 54 Violet 74 First name Age in 1861 ??????? ?? Thanks Randy

Hi Linda, As you found, Fort William is in the county of Inverness, now part of Highland council area. Port William, is in the parish of Mochrum, in Wigtownshire, now part of Dumfries and Galloway Council area. Its very easy to confuse the two place names. Regards, Bruce