However, I believe that is how they were pronounced*, and that is how the Ministers wrote them in the Durness OPR, which is part of the difficulty in deciphering them. Another is that in dictionaries and name books it is the nominative case that is given, whereas patronymics by their nature are in the genitive case. *i.e. as if they were one name. Similarly, in Nova Scotia, you might find a John Alan Cameron who was not known as John but "Johnalan". That is probably enough from me on this topic. Ian, Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 6:02 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions Yes, but no need to write it like antidisestablishmentarianism Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: <claireatkinson@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions So macuilammacheorishmacneil would be "son of william, son of George, son of Neil"? Claire >-- Original Message -- >From: "Sara Thomas" <Sethomas> >Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:42:35 +0100 >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > > >It's the genitive (possessive) of 'George': Seòras - (pron. 'shore - us') is the subject or direct object form Sheòrais - (pron 'hyore - ish') is the genitive - 'of George'. D'you remember my lesson on Sheumas & Hamish??? Sara ----- Orig >nal Message ----- From: "Ian Morrison" <ianmorrison> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions > Hi Claire: > I'm sorry to say that "Heorish" has me s >umped. Please tell me the date of the entry and whether the person whose event is recorded had any siblings. > > I would say that there is a very high probability that Hugh Macuilammachustin Morrison and John Macuilammachustin are brothers but it >is not a certainty. Islandhall is not a large island and this adds to the probability. If there was one more generation in their patronymics, that would also add to the probability. > > The person who may connect me to this group of people is a Joh > "Macuilammachustianmacachinroy" who married Christian Calder (Donn) Feb 24, 1792 and had a son, Hugh, baptised Jun 19, 1793. She was a widow but it does not state whether it was his second marriage. They had no other children, apparently. In the m >rriage entry he is described as a joiner in Durin but in the baptism entry he is described as a tenent in Achins of Cnocbreac. It is tempting to assume that this John is the same person as your John Macuilammachustin, whose last child with Catharin > Mackay, George, was born in 1787. > > A year or so ago, I tried to construct a family tree for the descendants of Eachan Ruadh Morrison using similar patronymics but ran into the difficulty of apparently conflicting and/or improbable dates. Part >f the difficulty stems from the extended periods over which their children were born; so that you find nephews being older than their uncles, for example. I will try again when the golfing season is over. > > Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > >From: claireatkinson@tiscali.co.uk > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:37 PM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions > > Hi Ian > > Thanks for the help. > > I've another one which I would like some help in trans >ating! > > Its macuilammacheorishmacneil. > > I can guess that its: son of William, son of "Heorish" son of Neil, but > what is "Heorish"? > > Also, if I have found entries in the Durness Parish Registers for Hugh Morison(alias > Macuillammac >ustin), would it be certain that he was the brother of John > Morison (alias Macuillammachustin)? In this case they both came from Islandhall. > > Thanks again > > Claire > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous m >ssages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.an >estry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237