Thanks Rena Will look at these and adjust my refs. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: I.L.Singleton [mailto:rena@pathtech.org] Sent: Monday, July 02, 2001 2:43 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Auld Kirk Burials Hi Christine, You're bang on in your identification of Donald MacKay and Catherine Bruce! I can add another child: George McKay was born 16 Aug. 1822. George married Frances Sutherland, 8 Jul 1847. (Frances was my g-grandfather's sister. She was born 29 May 1830, in Simcoe County.) They had 13 children, several of whom are buried with Catherine Bruce and Donald McKay. George died 15 May 1902 in Winnipeg, Manitoba. Frances died in 1907. The Roderick McKay - Barbara Campbell connection, I fear, is a miss. This Roderick McKay appears to have been a child of George McKay and Isabella Matheson. The family came to the Red River in 1815, along with son Robert and daughter Roberta. According to the IGI, Roderick was born 7 Jan 1797. Roberta was born 18 Jan 1800 and Robert was born 20 Apr 1803. All births were in Kildonan. Their names appear on the Hadlow passenger list immediately before those of Donald McKay's family, suggesting a connection. The Bio for Donald seems a bit confused to me. I could unscramble the difficulties by guessing that Donald's parents were Isabella Matheson and George McKay. George, then, must have been buried in or near Winnipeg, Manitoba (not Hudson's Bay). The Seven Oaks massacre occurred near the Red River settlement, present-day Winnipeg. Does this agree with the information you have for Donald's father? Let me tidy this up. 1: George McKay and Isabella Matheson. 2: Donald McKay and Catherine Bruce 3: John McKay and Christina Sutherland 3: George McKay and Frances Sutherland 2: Roderick McKay and Jane McConkey 2: Roberta McKay 2: Robert McKay Since beginning this conjecture, I have found the original source of the Bio - it is from a Feb 7, 1908 article (my type-script is marked "Free Press") about John McKay. Here are the salient bits: "A memorable walk is still clear to his mind, when his father, Donald Mackay, took him across the fields and showed him the grave of his grandfather, who was buried close to nine of the men who had been killed in 1816 at the battle of Seven Oaks." (There actually were 21 men killed at the battle.) "In the spring of 1820 a party of the Selkirk settlers determined to abandon the settlement and set out for what was then known as Canada. The party consisted of about 30 white people, including Donald Mackay and his family. The boy, John Mackay, was then six years of age, and now, 88 years afterwards, the following names of members of that party are still clear in his mind. His grandmother, Elizabeth (sic) Matheson Mackay, his uncles, Robert and Roderick Mackay ..." By Jove, I think I've got it! Since there is a 12-year gap between Donald and Roderick, we're probably missing three (or more) children of Isabella Matheson and George McKay. Isabella, Roderick, wife, Jane McConkey, and Robert are buried together at the Auld Kirk. Regards, Rena >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 7/1/2001, 4:58:08 PM, "Christine Stokes" <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> wrote regarding RE: Auld Kirk Burials: > Rena > Could these two be those on your list? > K1521 RODERICK MACKAY married MARGARET CAMPBELL > Roderick in Birichen, Dornoch, and Margaret in Rearchar, Dornoch, married in > Dornoch on 27 February 1824 (OPR). They had the following children born in > Asdale, Dornoch, except their first child, Janet, who was born at Rearchar > (OPR): JANET, born 20 September 1825; ROBERT, born 2 March 1827 [died 4 May > 1828 Asdale] (OPR); FINLAY, born 16 March 1829 [died 2 March 1851 Asdale - > consumption] (OPR); JOHN, born 23 November 1830 [died 28 March 1851 Asdale - > fever] (OPR); JEAN, born 1 December 1832 and RODERICK, born circa 1833 [died > 22 January 1835 Asdale - smallpox] (OPR). (5/00) > K481/1 DONALD MACKAY married CATHERINE BRUCE > In January 1814 Donald and Catherine had a son: JOHN, born in Kildonan. In > June 1815 they sailed on the ship "Hadlow" from Cromarty for Hudson's Bay, > Canada as Selkirk Settlers. Donald's father was buried in Hudson's Bay with > nine of the men who were killed in the Battle of Seven Oaks in 1816. In the > spring of 1820 a party of Selkirk settlers determined to abandon the > settlement and set out for what was then known as Canada. The party > consisted of about 30 whilte people including Doand Mackay and his family. > There was also his grandmother, Elizabeth Matheson; his uncles Roderick and > Robert Mackay; James Sutherland, his wife, their son James and daughter > Elizabeth; John Bannerman, his wife and two sons, Alexander and John; > Alexander Mackay, Adam Mackay and their widowed mother; George Ross, his > wife and son Benjamin; Alexander Murray and his son Alexander and James > Sutherland, a church leader in Kildonan. Eventually after much trecking > Donald Mackay and his family settled at West Gwillimbury, Simcoe county. > John Mackay later married Christina Sutherland, a child of the Kildonan > settlement. In 1870 they moved to Toronto where John Mackay died on 2nd > December 1908. "Robertson's Landmarks of Toronto, The Selkirk Settlement". > (6/01) > Christine > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Rena Singleton [mailto:rena@pathtech.org] > Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 2:57 PM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Auld Kirk Burials > Hi, > The "Scotch Settlement" at Bradford, Ontario, Canada, attracted a number > of Sutherland natives who left Scotland during and following the > Clearances. Many of their descendants thoughtfully noted their > birth-places on their tombstones. Perhaps this information will help > others make connections to these families. Can anyone add any > information to these names? > SUTHERLAND, DONALD, died Nov. 22, 1885, Aged 92 yr., 11 mo,, 12 d., > Native of Kildonan, Sutherlandshire, Scotland. (My gg-grandfather). > Plot: R4P1 1/4 > SUTHERLAND, HENRY, died May 2, 1859, aged 72 yr., Native of > Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R4P1 2/4 > SUTHERLAND, ELIZABETH, died Feb. 19, 1841, aged 90 yr. Native of > Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot R4P1 3/4. > SUTHERLAND, ANGUS, died Mar 24, 1885, aged 103 yr. Native of > Sutherlandshire, Scotland. > ELSBY, wife of the above, died July 2, 1959, aged 72 yr. Plot: R4P1 4/4 > GUNN, WILLIAM, died Oct. 24, 1854, aged 60 yr., Native of > Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R4P2 1/2 > McBETH, CHARLES, died Nov. 22, 1883, aged 85 yr., > CHRISTENA, wife of the above, died July 29, 1885, aged 83 yr., Natives of > Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R4P3 1/2 > McBEATH, JANET, wife of ANDREW McBEATH, died July 26, 1838, aged 43 yr., > Native of Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot R4P4 1/3 > McBEATH, ANDREW, died Feb. 28, 1864, aged 69 yr., Native of > Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R4P4 3/3 > McKAY, RODERICK, died Oct. 19, 1867, aged 68 yr., 10 mo. Native of > Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R4P6 1/3. > McKAY, ISABELLA, wife of GEORGE McKAY, died Feb. 18, 1851, aged 95 yr. > Native of Co. Sutherland, Scotland. Plot: R4P6 2/3 > McKAY, ROBERT, died May 30, 1856, in his 54th yr., Native of Co. > Sutherland, Scotland. Plot: R4P6 3/3 > FRASER, WILLIAM, died May 11, 1885, aged 86 yr., 7 mo., Native of > Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R4P7 2/4 > FRASER, SIMON, died May 4, 1881, aged 76 yr., 10 mo. > SUTHERLAND, BETSY, wife of the above, died Oct. 20, 1874, aged 66 yr., 5 > mo., Natives of Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot R4P8 1/2 > McKAY, ALEXANDER, died July 13, 1873, aged 72 yr., 2 mo., 13 d., Native > of Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R5P1 > GUNN, JANET, wife of DONALD GUNN, died Sep. 15, 1828, aged 68 yr., > Native of Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Erected by her son GEORGE. Plot: > R5P3 2/4 > McBETH, WILLIAM, died Aug. 3, 1830, aged 40 yr., Native of > Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R5P3 4/4 > BANNERMAN, CHRISTINA, wife of GEORGE BANNERMAN, died Dec. 17, 1875, aged > 86 yr., Native of Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R6P6 2/3 > BANNERMAN, GEORGE, died Feb. 10, 1859, aged 66 yr., Native of > Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R6P6 3/3. > McKAY, DONALD, died Mar. 21, 1847, aged 59 yr., Native of > Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R7P4 1/ 4. > McKAY, CATHERINE BRUCE, wife of the late DONALD McKAY, died Jun 24, 1872, > aged 94 yr., Native of Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R7P4 4/4. > McKAY, JAMES, died Apr. 5, 1879, aged 85 yr., 10 mo., Native of Parish > of Kildonald (perhaps, Kildonan??), Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: > R10P1 4/5 > McKAY, CHRISTIANA, wife of JAMES McKAY, died Dec. 21, 1866, aged 70 yr., > Native of Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R10P1 5/5 > FRASER, WILLIAM, died Dec. 10, 1855, aged 53 yr., Native of > Sutherlandshire, Scotland. Plot: R10P2 1/6 > GUNN, HANNAH McBEATH, wife of ALEXANDER GUNN, died Mar. 24, 1830, aged 45 > yr., Native of Sutherlandshire, Scotland. R10P2 3/6 > GUNN, ALEXANDER, died Mar. 23, 1839, aged 70 yr., Native of of the > Parish of Kildonan, Sutherlandshire, Scotland. R10P2 4/6 > SUTHERLAND, JOHN, died Apr. 13, 1877, aged 68 yr., A Native of Strath of > Kildonan, Scotland. > Rena > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. 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