HI Cathy According to Christine Stokes, the SUTHERLAND list is fine - just very quiet at the moment. Regards Pam >>> "cathy0653" <cathy0653@xcelco.on.ca> 03/31/03 01:49am >>> HI all I havent gotten an email from my Sutherland list in a few days now. My puter went down of course and I have my laptop only now for a while. But it is same server same addy and I am getting mail from other lists I am on...but not Sutherland I had noticed that Rootsweb was having some trouble so I thought I would wait a bit and see if any mail came thru but havent seen anything from list now in a few days, and I cant imagine that you all are that quiet.....smile or are you?? Cathy ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi At last we seem to be back in action. I thought you may like to know for the future how to check on problems with Rootsweb. Go to www.rootsweb.com <http://www.rootsweb.com/> click on mailing lists then click on help. When there is a problem with their computer there is always a notice on the help page. This time it read: Lists2: 2003-03-26 We are experiencing system difficulties with lists2. We do not expect to lose any data, including mail. Est. downtime: 2 day(s) It has taken over four days to fix the problem this time. Hope you are all receiving now. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003

Would someone please remind of the site where one can search for wills, and the process for obtaining a copy of a promising one. Many thanks, Ian Morrison, Ontario, Canada

Same here Cathy......was getting worried till saw yours tonight. Davie

Can any one tell me of a site that has death certificate information, or would that be too simple? kay

Dear June, I'm a little late at sorting through all our e-mail but your message of Feb 4th caught my eye again. We also have roots with Alexander MANSON and Ephie MCKAY. My husband, Tom, is descended from Jennet MANSON, b Oct 22, 1817, m George MCKAY Jan 27, 1837. One of their children was Hugh MCKAY, b Aug 1844, married Margaret MCLEOD and down. It is amazing at how often the MCKAYs and MANSONs married. Our family settled in Huron County, Ontario. I have not had much success developing the interest of our family in their MCKAY/MANSON roots! Best regards, Lois Beaton

Hello All, We appear to be back in business! As Christine had already determined, there was a problem with Rootsweb server. Donald Lee Sutherland, Hamilton, Ontario _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

Hello Cathy, I have already contacted Christine. There has been a problem with Rootsweb. I will Reply All on this and see if it returns to me. Lee Sutherland, Hamilton, Ontario _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail

HI all I havent gotten an email from my Sutherland list in a few days now. My puter went down of course and I have my laptop only now for a while. But it is same server same addy and I am getting mail from other lists I am on...but not Sutherland I had noticed that Rootsweb was having some trouble so I thought I would wait a bit and see if any mail came thru but havent seen anything from list now in a few days, and I cant imagine that you all are that quiet.....smile or are you?? Cathy

I am from the state of Montana in the USA..... What significance is the word 'tribe' vs 'clan' in the Highlands? Here is footnote from the Statistical on Sutherlandshire: About the year 1567 George Earl of Caithness, who claimed wardship of Alexander Earl of Sutherland then a minor, had got the person of the later into his possession. A tribe of Murrays, inhabiting this part of the country, who were firmly attached to the noble family and beheld the conduct of Caithness with a jealous eye, contrived to get the minor conveyed from Caithness and put under the protection of the Earl of Huntly. Caithness in revenge invaded this country, by his son John, who, invested the town and Castle of Dornoch, of which the Murrays had possessed themselves. Several skirmishes took place with various sucesses. The Murrays no longer able to maintain the ground they had occupied, retired to the castle. Upon this, the master of Caithness burnt the town and cathedral; but still the besieged defended themselves in the castle for month longer. At length, however, they were obliged to capitulate, having undertaken to depart out of Sutherland within two months, and delivered three hostages into the hands of the conquerors. The Murrays fulfilled their engagement; yet the a hostages were treacherously murdered. George Alexander MURRAY III Kalispell, Montana USA

hope this isn't a duplicate - I have a distant male MURRAY......perhaps Alexander of Sutherlandshire, but I heard this story many years ago. Just prior to 1938, my father George Alexander MURRAY II (1906-1965)gave railroad fare to his father George Alexander MURRAY (1861-1938) to 'see the pipes for one last time'. The 'pipes' were in the custody of grandfather's brother Gilbert MURRAY (1864-x), in Scranton, Pennsylvania, USA. They were two sons of Robert P MURRAY (1821-1896) of Suthlandshire and Annie nee Matheson MURRAY (1835-1886) of West Zorra Township, Ontario, Canada. All seven children were born in Zorra Township. These bag pipes were an honorary presentation from a high English noble (king?) to a g? g grandfather who was a 'Piper Major in the Gordon Highlanders'. I hate to gilt this story TOO much, but I was told they were 'gold plated'. Does any part of this story make sense? George Alexander MURRAY ||| Kalispell, Montana, USA 59903-2176

On same page as Mary MACMILLAN's death 1893 I have, Thomas Mackay SUTHERLAND, aged 16, parents Boyce? and Barbara (nee MACKAY) Johan MORRISON, 94, widow of Murdoch MORRISON parents Donald MORRISON, Louisa (nee MACLEOD) Please email me if you want full details. ChristineR Vic Australia

Hello List I haven't had any mail from the list for days! Could someone tell me where a person who died at Durine would be buried? AND where is Durine? Mary lived alone in Dwelling 25 Durine in the 1881 & 1891 census. Deaths in the Parish of Durness, In the County of Sutherland Mary MacMillan, Pauper formerly General Servant, Single (Illigitimate) 1893 February Fourteenth 11h 30m AM, Lenisy? Parish of Durness Female 82 years Parents: Ewen MacMillan, Game Keeper, (deceased) Anne Sutherland, Domestic Servant, (deceased) Old Age, 7 days, no medical attendant. Informant: David Sutherland, Cousin, Present Registered 1893 February 16th, at Durine. ChristineR Vic Aust

While checking through the 1851 census for the Anderston area of Glasgow (Parish of St George) I noticed a few entries for people from Sutherlandshire. *22 Hardain's Lane. Robert McKay 47yrs railway labourer born Farr Sutherlandshire. Mary McKay wife 39yrs b. New Kilpatrick, Dumbartonshire. Mary McKay dau. 16yrs cotton spinner b. New Kilpatrick Agnes McKay dau. 14yrs power loom weaver b. Glasgow Jane McKay dau. 12yrs scholar b. Glasgow William McKay dau. 9yrs scholar b. Glasgow Helen McKay dau. 7 yrs scholar b. Glasgow Janet McKay dau. 1yr b.Glasgow *9/297 Argyll St. David McKay 32yrs watch maker b. Farr, Sutherlandshire Christina McKay wife 30yrs b.Dumferemline? Fife William G. McKay son 7yrs b. Glasgow Daniel Gordon McKay son 3yrs b. Glasgow Alexander McKay son 1yr b. Glasgow Janet McINtyre unm 15yrs general servant b. Dumferemline (Reference - LDS film number 1042428)

Is everyone busy printing before the information is by subscription? I had no luck getting what I wanted, receiving a message that edina was having difficulties. I'd tried saving but that failed... someone dealt with this point before, but I'd forgotten. Hey ho, try again tomorrow. Shane back in cold Cairo __________________________________________________ Yahoo! Plus For a better Internet experience http://www.yahoo.co.uk/btoffer

People are writing me now asking if there is a problem with the list. Anyone receiving? Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003

Hello all, Just a test to see if the list is active. Our index shows the last entry for March 27, 2003 regarding Camerons. Donald Lee Sutherland, Hamilton, Ontario Canada _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

this man is commemorated on a wall plaque in Dud Corner cemetery at Loos - I am going there next week - if he is a relation would you like me to take a picture for you ? let me know by Tuesday at the latest Morag L Sutherland ----- Original Message ----- From: <SheilaMMackay@aol.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Where is Whitehill? > > Hi Celeste, > > This was in the Northern Times of 16 December 1915. > > Mrs. Gordon, Whitehill, Loth received word from the War Office on Monday that > her son Sergeant Donald Gordon, Cameron Highlanders was Killed In Action on > September 25th. He acted as postman for the district for a number of years > and afterwards emigrated to Canada. He was a reservist in the Cameron > Highlanders and rejoined his regiment at the outbreak of the war. He had > taken part in a number of engagements. > > This may be your Whitehill - I certainly can't find it on any maps that I > have of the Loth Area. > These articles are particularly poignant at this time. > Sheila Mackay > Edinburgh Scotland > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I haven't had an email for a couple of days from this list, so just checking. edward Limpsfield, Surrey

Just a general enquiry, are the lists working, I seem not to be receiving anything. Jenelle. Jenelle McCarrick Email: jmccarrick@austarnet.com.au