Below is an excerpt from http://www.btinternet.com/~james.mckay/pipedrum.htm In the old Highland clan system the piper ranked fourth only to the chief and in consequence was held in high regard. This clan, or family, feeling has always been strong in Scottish regiments, particularly those raised in the Highlands, and it was to be expected that the piper should enjoy his traditional privileges and respect. Unfortunately, this view was not shared by the gentlemen at the War Office in London who consistently refused to understand why those "savages" in the North of Britain should not march and fight to the music of the drum and fife, like everybody else in the British Army. Successions of annual Inspecting Officers intolerantly recommended the discontinuance of pipe music, and just as obstinately, but craftily, successions of Scottish commanding officers refused to obey. The Royal Scots, the oldest regiment in the British Army, has a very long history of piping, yet it is on record that in the 17th century the pipers had to be hidden on Inspection Day. Indeed, it was customary in Scottish regiments for the pipers to be shown in the muster rolls as drummers or fifers; in this way they might draw the extra-duty pay of one penny per day. As recently as the early 1900's the Lovat Scouts and Scottish Horse listed their pipers as trumpeters. Until the middle of the 19th century, the unofficial and clandestine pipers were distributed within the battalion at the strength of one to each company and played thus to their comrades on the line of march, on parade or in battle. At first they were dressed similarly to the rank and file; in Highland regiments this would be the red coat, kilt and feathered bonnet. But the special status of the piper was marked by the retention of the broadsword on its black leather shoulder belt, the handsome dirk and the full plaid long after these had been discontinued for the ranks. At last, in 1854, the War Office grudgingly permitted the highland regiments to have, officially, a Pipe-Major and five pipers. But for the Lowland Scottish regiments the struggle for recognition went on. Regiments like the King's Own Scottish Borderers and the Cameronians (Scottish Rifles) who, prior to 1881, although clothed as English Line regiments, had jealously retained their pipes, were still denied official sanction. The best they could expect was that authority would turn a blind eye and a deaf ear so long as instruments, special uniform and pay were found from anywhere but public money - in other words, from the officers' own pockets. IMWTK gam

Hello Alison, > Will now be chasing where and what records are available at the McIver Diggings (think they were near Bendigo/Ballarat way). > there was a John Graham had a hotel in Heathcote (McIvor Diggings) in 1867, on land he purchased 1856. had a look in my local history book people index - and the names you mention don't appear. 1853 was very early days of the diggings, it was about this time that the government infrastructure was put in place. There was also a George Sutherland (had a sister Mrs James Hay) There is a local Historical Society. Regards, ChristineR Vic Aust ----- Original Message ----- From: Alison Graham <grahamja-ap@vic.australis.com.au> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:31 PM Subject: [SUT] Joseph Gilchrist to Alexander Graham

Well, I think I may be on to something: 'Today our combined pipes and drums will forge a new and vital connecting link between our two countries, a bond of lasting significance,' he said. Rev. Crow also noted that Scotch stands in an international line of pipes and drums going back to the Gordon Highlanders, raised in 1794, and famed for their charge at the Battle of Waterloo.' The above is an excerpt from 'Down Under' which you may read: http://www.scotch.vic.edu.au/Gscot/GSjun01/p9high.htm The old saw from GOOGLE - Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day......B-) I think this may tie my verbal heritage anecdote to Georgina Matheson Keddell's biography to her father George Matheson MURRAY's great grandfather who lost his eye sight at the Battle of Waterloo. NOW.....is there a Sutherland expert that can tell me if the Gordon Highlanders are Sutherland Highlanders under the Earl Gordon or is this another clan.....clan Gordon?? George Alexander MURRAY III

Joanne and Donald, I have volumes 1, 2 and 3 of the Scottish Emigrants to Canada before 1867. It states, "All rights reserved. No part may be....transmitted in any form .....electronic... or otherwise without prior written permission of the publisher, the Ontario Genealogical Society." Does this mean what I think it means, that we can't quote from this publication on the Net? Regarding bibliography and guide to the references, there are pages of them. Too many to mention. Pat Winnipeg On Wednesday, April 9, 2003, at 07:53 AM, L Sutherland wrote: > > Hello Joanne, > > I have seen the volumes you mention. Do you happen to know the authors > sources of information? > > Donald Lee Sutherland, > Hamilton, Ontario > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Joanne, I have seen the volumes you mention. Do you happen to know the authors sources of information? Donald Lee Sutherland, Hamilton, Ontario _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

Jenelle Is this the man who lived in Tasmania? I am always interested in Murray information. My brother Dick Murray who is also on this list, is particularly interested in military Murrays. Any information like this is always welcomed by one or other of us. Thanks Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Jenelle McCarrick [mailto:jmccarrick@austarnet.com.au] Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 10:51 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUT] Donald Murray from Lairg to Nova Scotia Christine, I think I can remember you saying you have an interest in the MURRAY name, the most decorated soldier in Australia is HARRY MURRAY, VC, CMG,DSO and Bar, DCM C de G, they have written a few books on him, I've just got the catalogue out of the bin, book is called MAD HARRY, by George Franki and Clyde Slatyer, (available from Angus &Robertson). If someone else has an interest, I'll post it to the Sutherland List as well. Jenelle. At 07:59 PM 07-04-03 +0100, you wrote: >A Donald Murray (circa 1768-15 February 1848) married to a Mary McLean is >shown in Whyte's Directory of immigrants as leaving Lairg, Sutherland for >Nova Scotia. I have no further information on him. Does anyone know him? > >Christine >Northamptonshire, England >www.highlandhearts.com >www.sutherlandheritage.com >email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >To check out previous messages >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 Jenelle McCarrick Email: jmccarrick@austarnet.com.au ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003

I had started correspondence with Dick Murray, but lost contact. We have had a Denial Of Service attack to a local Internet Service Provider in this small community and it may have effected my mail. George Matheson MURRAY (1889-1961)."the second of eight children of Margaret Abigail "Piper" and Daniel Gilchrist "Smoker" MURRAY. The nicknames indicated different Sutherlandshire clans with the same name who came to Canada following the infamous Scottish Clearance. One great-grandfather had lost his eyes while serving as a piper-major in the Battle of Waterloo, and had been rewarded by the gift of a quarter-section of land in the Brock District of Upper Canada. ..." Quotes from THE NEWSPAPERING MURRAYS, 1967, McCelland & Stewart, Tronto. Georgina Matheson MURRAY KEDDELL was referring to her father's family from Woodstock, Ontario, Canada. Margaret Abigail MURRAY was my grandfather George Alexander MURRAY's sister. Their brother Gilbert MURRAY of Scranton, Pennsylvania was in possession of an ornate, honorary set of bagpipes in 1938 or 1939. George Alexander MURRAY III Kalispell, Montana USA

I was researching my families in Volumes One and Two of "A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada Before Confederation" (1867 for you out-of-towners) for the names of my folks: BURGESS, BANNERMAN, MCCALLUM, MCDONALD, MCLEAN and got them all. As a consequence, I've got extra names which appear on the pages I needed and can check for the following surnames in addition to the ones listed above. If your Scottish-Canadian surnames are covered in this, and you want them checked, reply to me at jcmclean@sprint.ca There is quite a lot of information available in the entries in this little gem. Here's what I have: VOLUME 1 SURNAMES : AULD to BARCLAY BRYDEN to BURNET MCBRIDE to MCCONNACHIE MCCUNN to MACDONELL MCLAREN to MACLELLAN VOL 2 SURNAMES: BAILLIE to BANKS BANNERMAN to BARROWMAN BUCHANAN to BYERS MACAULEY to MCCONNELL MCCULLOCH to MCDOUGALL MACKINNON to MCLEAY Note that Mc's and Mac's are both included

Hi Christine You mentioned the Whyte's directory, is it available online or where would you view a copy of this document. Many thanks Richard Logan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2003 4:59 Subject: [SUT] Donald Murray from Lairg to Nova Scotia > A Donald Murray (circa 1768-15 February 1848) married to a Mary McLean is > shown in Whyte's Directory of immigrants as leaving Lairg, Sutherland for > Nova Scotia. I have no further information on him. Does anyone know him? > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 1/04/03

I found an item in the "Missing Friends" section of "The Argus" dated 6 Dec 1853 as follows: "Alexander Graham, Sutherlandshire, head? hand, Doll of Brora, will oblige Joseph Gilchrist by writing to him at the Police Camp, McIver Diggings" Now this could possible by my Alexander Graham who came to Victoria, Australia, with his wife Bell (Elizabeth?) Sutherland, and family - Catherine, George and Alexander. They came on the Constance which arrived in October 1851. There were no Gilchrists on the Constance. Was there a Gilchrist family in Doll who emigrated before the Grahams? If so, were they related to my Graham's or am I just being hopeful that where the Gilchrists went, maybe I could find my Graham's there! Will now be chasing where and what records are available at the McIver Diggings (think they were near Bendigo/Ballarat way). Regards Alison Graham - Victoria, Australia Researching Bewick and Ostle in Cumberland Graham and Sutherland in Sutherland McPhail and McKinnon in Mull Pollock and Taylor in Ayrshire ------------------------------------------------------ InterNet Australis http://www.australis.com.au/

Christine, I think I can remember you saying you have an interest in the MURRAY name, the most decorated soldier in Australia is HARRY MURRAY, VC, CMG,DSO and Bar, DCM C de G, they have written a few books on him, I've just got the catalogue out of the bin, book is called MAD HARRY, by George Franki and Clyde Slatyer, (available from Angus &Robertson). If someone else has an interest, I'll post it to the Sutherland List as well. Jenelle. At 07:59 PM 07-04-03 +0100, you wrote: >A Donald Murray (circa 1768-15 February 1848) married to a Mary McLean is >shown in Whyte's Directory of immigrants as leaving Lairg, Sutherland for >Nova Scotia. I have no further information on him. Does anyone know him? > >Christine >Northamptonshire, England >www.highlandhearts.com >www.sutherlandheritage.com >email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >To check out previous messages >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, >go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 Jenelle McCarrick Email: jmccarrick@austarnet.com.au

A Donald Murray (circa 1768-15 February 1848) married to a Mary McLean is shown in Whyte’s Directory of immigrants as leaving Lairg, Sutherland for Nova Scotia. I have no further information on him. Does anyone know him? Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003

Below is what I know of a family named Murray in Durness. I would love to know what happened to their children (named below) – did any of them marry? Any help appreciated. DONALD MURRAY [1812-9/8/1905] married HUGHINA MORRISON [1816-22/5/1897] Donald, a fisherman, is the son of Robert Murray and Catherine Morrison of Durness. The 1841 census shows Donald and Hughina at Sangobeg, Durness, with Donald's father Robert, a 55 year old agricultural labourer, and his sister Ann, aged 35 years. By 1851 Donald was the tenant [only Murray family in Durness in that census]. Also with the family was a Robert Morrison, a nephew of Hughina's, aged four years and recorded as a pauper. In 1861 Donald was recorded as a "tenant of a lot of land" at Sangobeg. Nephew Robert Morrison still lived with them. In 1871 Donald was recorded as a fisherman but in 1881 he again became a farmer with three acres plus Aug Hill common. Young Alexander was now a fisherman. In 1891 Donald and Hughina were still crofting. Roderick was a joiner. The family had a lodger, a tramp from Manchester. Donald died at Sango Beg. He is buried with Hughina and members of their family in Balnakiel, Durness. Donald and Hughina had the following children born at Sangobeg (IGI): CATHERINE, born September 1841 (NC51/61); GEORGE, born 19 December 1843; MARY, born 16 December 1844 [died 20 June 1891 U.S.A.] (NC51-71/GY); LOUISA (Lucy), born 1847 [died 25 February 1930] (NC51-81/GY); ROBINA, born circa 1848 (NC51/61); BARBARA, born circa 1851 (NC61/71); RODERICK, born 10 June 1853 [died 5 January 1933] (NC61-91/GY); ALEXANDER, born 17 July 1857 (NC61-81); GEORGINA, born 9 February 1860 [died 7 December 1860] (DC) GEORGINA, born 8 April 1862 [died 20 January 1943] (NC71/81/GY). Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003

Hello List, While surfing the net I found this information. May help someone. http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/k2m3/horfield.html Horfield Barracks Bristol-1851 Census Returns MATHESON William Private Soldier 24 Labourer Sutherland Dornoch MATHESON Neil Sgt 38 Pipe Creach Sutherland Mary 36 Servant Fort Geogre Inverness Georgina 5 Gibralter ********************AND************** http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~ourstuff/DavidGFleming.htm New Zealand Immigrants (Name,age,county, occupation) Ship Name: David G. Fleming Ship: 1467 tons Captain: Cruikshank Surgeon Superintendent: Sailed London August 23rd 1863 - arrived Lyttelton, December 9th 1863 Steerage Passengers- (Families) MUNRO Donald, 26 ,Sutherland, Schoolmaster Isabella,25 (single men) GUNN John, 20, Sutherland ,Farm Labourer SUTHERLAND James, 30 ,Sutherland, Farm Labourer (single women) SUTHERLAND Margaret, 32 ,Sutherland ,Dairymaid Mary, 30, Sutherland ,Domestic Servant Good luck! ===== Eileen Jefferies Bobcaygeon, Ontario, Canada ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

******************************************************************************************************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ******************************************************************************************************************************************************* I am not aware that there was an 'economic slump' around this time. The number of paupers, that is on the poor roll and in receipt of assistance, was not increasing significantly. It is possible that the more democratic Parish Councils (post 1895) were more generous towards those in need as compared with the Parochial Boards which had been effectively under landlord control. But this is no more than a suggestion. The burial of a pauper could be paid for by the Parochial Board/Parish Council. I suspect that Old Age pensions would have made quite a difference. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Epaxton@aol.com [mailto:Epaxton@aol.com] Sent: 06 April 2003 15:56 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUT] Balnakiel cemetery lookup? ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* Am I not correct in saying that many people are buried in graveyards in un-marked graves, as they were too poor to afford headstones? I have a number of ancestors who were marked as 'paupers' in their death certs. in Stoer/Assynt. Interestingly, this was particularly noted in certs. around 1900. Was there a particular local economic 'slump' at that time, or was there a growing awareness of how poor the crofters were, thereby having it highlighted on the certs.? edward Limpsfield, Surrey ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk.

******************************************************************************************************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ******************************************************************************************************************************************************* I agree with the suggestion of a close family group. 'Tribe' could be thought of as a translation of siol, meaning the seed or offspring of an individual. But I also agree that it is often used in a derogatory way, particularly by people who thought of themselves as 'civilised' such as Sir Robert Gordon (his History of c1630). Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes [mailto:rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 02 April 2003 20:12 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SUT] Highlander designations ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* Sara could be so correct in her suggestion that tribe could be derogatory. This particular tribe of Murrays were spoken off in just such a way. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:Sethomas@btinternet.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:36 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUT] Highlander designations Malcolm will correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe 'tribe' is a technical term in Scottish, or English, history --- 'clan' itself is hazy enough! As Christine implies, it seems to refer to an extended, but still close-knit family group, particularly one within a community which sees itself as different in some way. Isn't it in fact a slightly derogatory, or at least humorous, term? Sara Cardiff, Wales ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:07 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] Highlander designations > I have always thought of a tribe as being a group within a clan. > The Murrays you discuss below were part of the Aberscross Murrays who hung > out around Golspie and Sciberscross. What happened to the original clan I > do not know. > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: George A Murray [mailto:cte44694@nw.centurytel.net] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 3:06 AM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SUT] Highlander designations > > I am from the state of Montana in the USA..... > > What significance is the word 'tribe' vs 'clan' in the Highlands? > > Here is footnote from the Statistical on Sutherlandshire: > > About the year 1567 George Earl of Caithness, who claimed wardship of > Alexander Earl of Sutherland then a minor, had got the person of the later > into his possession. A tribe of Murrays, inhabiting this part of the > country, who were firmly attached to the noble family and beheld the > conduct of Caithness with a jealous eye, contrived to get the minor > conveyed from Caithness and put under the protection of the Earl of Huntly. > Caithness in revenge invaded this country, by his son John, who, invested > the town and Castle of Dornoch, of which the Murrays had possessed > themselves. Several skirmishes took place with various sucesses. The > Murrays no longer able to maintain the ground they had occupied, retired to > the castle. Upon this, the master of Caithness burnt the town and > cathedral; but still the besieged defended themselves in the castle for > month longer. At length, however, they were obliged to capitulate, having > undertaken to depart out of Sutherland within two months, and > delivered three hostages into the hands of the conquerors. The Murrays > fulfilled their engagement; yet the a hostages were treacherously murdered. > > George Alexander MURRAY III > Kalispell, Montana USA > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.465 / Virus Database: 263 - Release Date: 3/25/2003 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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OOPS, sorry Christine... sent it to only you! try again. Thanks Christine, This is the death certificate I downloaded from Scotlandspeople.gov.uk, Being a pauper, would this mean her burial wasn't registered? Being illigitimate make a difference? (She had a son Ewan McLeod, also born out of wedlock) ChristineR Vic Australia _________________________________________________ Deaths in the Parish of Durness, In the County of Sutherland Mary MacMillan, Pauper formerly General Servant, Single (Illigitimate) 1893 February Fourteenth 11h 30m AM, Lenisy? Parish of Durness Female, 82 years Parents: Ewen MacMillan, Game Keeper, (deceased) Anne Sutherland, Domestic Servant, (deceased) Old Age, 7 days, no medical attendant. Informant: David Sutherland, Cousin, Present Registered 1893 February 16th, at Durine. Torquil Nicholson. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 11:36 PM Subject: RE: [SUT] Balnakiel cemetery lookup? > According to Cowper & Ross indexes there are no Macmillans buried in either > Balnakeil or any graveyard in Durness. In fact the only people with the > name Macmillan buried in Sutherland are in Kildonan and not a Mary amongst > them. > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England

----- Original Message ----- From: "L Sutherland" <lsuth27@hotmail.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:56 PM Subject: RE: [SUT] Tribes Donald Lee wrote " Clan, I believe is more of an English variation for words that imply direct relationship to the head of the families with the same name." The English word 'clan' (borrowed from Gaelic clann=children) no longer implies blood relationship to the Clan Chief, and perhaps never did so entirely. My surname is Fraser, but I don't believe my family was ever related to the Lovat family --- I like to think my people were in Inverness-shire before the Frasers came from Normandy in the Middle Ages! My 3xgt grandfather was the son of a crofter living on Lovat land near Inverness; his elder brother was one of Lord Lovat's factors round about 1845; none of the family turned out to fight for Charles Stuart, so I don't feel I can shed personal tears at Culloden. Am I nevertheless a member of the clan? I have a bit of a hang-up about this! Sara Cardiff

According to Cowper & Ross indexes there are no Macmillans buried in either Balnakeil or any graveyard in Durness. In fact the only people with the name Macmillan buried in Sutherland are in Kildonan and not a Mary amongst them. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Robert Randall [mailto:rrandall1@vtown.com.au] Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 6:10 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Balnakiel cemetery lookup? Hello all, Would someone be able to do a lookup for this cemetery please? Death registered Durine Mary MacMillan 14 Feb 1893, aged 82 Thankyou, ChristineR Vic Aust ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 4/1/2003

My James Mackay was born in Latheron(father born at Braemore), married in Kildonan to a Sutherland lassie, worked mainly in Inverness Shire and came to NSW about 1890 after having spent time in the Straits Settlement. Would he qualify for a story? Joan --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.467 / Virus Database: 266 - Release Date: 2/04/2003