I also use Family Tree Maker and like it but ....... would love to know how to get this programme ( and others)to organize and print the data in direct descendant format. Organising by generations is confusing. Data based programmes should be able to sort the information in various formats. Is there a programme that sorts the data by direct descendants? Any suggestions? Carol -----Original Message----- From: ksp [mailto:ksp@hawaii.rr.com] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 3:10 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Record keeping I'm currently a Family Tree Maker user, and like Margaret of British Columbia, find it very user friendly. They are always improving their product and the cost of updates is quite reasonable. I have heard, however, that Master Genealogist is the best program out there and one that serious genealogists prefer, and it is suppose to be easy to use. I recently met with a few professional genealogists and all of them are using Master Genealogist. Karen Sutherland-Pahia Kahaluu, Hawaii ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I agree, back up frequently, and be careful of transferring data. I bought a new pc, and was trying to copy all my data from Family Tree Maker onto a zip drive, and in the transfer all was lost. Over 1,500 people...gone. I could have cried. This was last week. I use Excel to create pedigree and family charts, but my husband created Family Group Data Sheets in Dreamweaver, and we store everything there. You can see an example of it at www.familypangea.net (needs updating, very seriously, but it takes so much time) Luckily, I copied a good deal of the data from Family Tree Maker onto the website, so I actually kept about 30% of the information. The only problem with this method of storing records is that it isn't compatible with other's software, so it can't be imported. But it looks so much nicer on a website than just plain text! Sue -----Original Message----- From: Donald Massey [mailto:donaldmasseyuk@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 2:35 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUT] Storing records I use Family Tree Maker, an early version, which is satisfactory: as I exchange experiencve with users of other programs, it seems there is no 100% program. But whatever you use BACK UP FREQUENTLY: I did not, and lost notes on 700+ people, and it took me a long time to get back to the same point! Re pictures, unless you have a modern computer with many Gbs of empty space, I would say keep images, which are greedy of space separately on CD-R, Zip disc, etc. Donald Massey ----- Original Message ----- > As I build up my records and data, I'm looking for advice/comment as to how others store theirs. > > I presently use the freeware from Ancestry.com and Legacy to keep my 'tree' up to date, but how does that compare with other systems? Does anyone have Family Tree or other systems? Is it good or better than the freeware? > > I've recently managed to obtain lots of family pics from cousins, so I eventually want to have some stored with my tree. Any views on that? > > Sorry if this is a little 'off-topic' > > edward > > ______________________________ ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

The following is a web site discussing various software programmes: http://www.moss-fritch.com/the_master_genealogist.htm Thanks again to all those who gave their views edward Limpsfield, Surrey

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AC141F2F1AC6D81576E9227E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello , I don't know why I received this after posting to the list , and I know the addy was right because it was taken right from E-mail received from the list , the same as I am sending this one to has anyone on the list received this? : Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [SUT] SUTHERLAND JANET & GRANT JOHN Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 05:42:52 -1000 From: "Sutherland-aultman, Shelby CTRC (CNR N00EOA)" <SutherS@hawaii.navy.mil> To: Andrea <agatha63@netzero.net> I have been migrated to the NMCI mail system and my new email address is shelby.sutherland-au@navy.mil. Your message has been forwarded for your convenience. Please update your contact list, as my old address will go out of service. --------------AC141F2F1AC6D81576E9227E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3E9EC693.85FCC8B@netzero.net> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:21:56 -0400 From: Andrea <agatha63@netzero.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com" <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: SUTHERLAND JANET & GRANT JOHN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, I am trying work more intensively on my GRANT // SUTHERLAND lineage . Donald (Daniel) Sutherland GRANT bapt. 9 Oct. 1790 in Clyne Parish d. 30 Dec. 1869 Boston,Suffolk,MA husband of Jane Catherine WASSEL of Lunenburg ,Lunenburg,NS (I have more on both for those who would like the information - will be glad to share & post) Son of John GRANT (or Wright) & Janet SUTHERLAND There seems to be a gap between Donald and the birth of other children of John and Janet . I am wondering if this is because they were (a) very young at the time of his (Donald) birth or (b) lost children in between ? I have used the database (IGI) through the SRO website : http://www.scotsorigins.com/igi-search.aspx I tried finding also marriage date & in search of parents of Janet and of John and would like to take this back further . I am grateful for the help of those who had helped me prior to this posting , as well as being able to have a great list of people to consult with. Thank -you Andrea B. --------------AC141F2F1AC6D81576E9227E--

Hi All, I am trying work more intensively on my GRANT // SUTHERLAND lineage . Donald (Daniel) Sutherland GRANT bapt. 9 Oct. 1790 in Clyne Parish d. 30 Dec. 1869 Boston,Suffolk,MA husband of Jane Catherine WASSEL of Lunenburg ,Lunenburg,NS (I have more on both for those who would like the information - will be glad to share & post) Son of John GRANT (or Wright) & Janet SUTHERLAND There seems to be a gap between Donald and the birth of other children of John and Janet . I am wondering if this is because they were (a) very young at the time of his (Donald) birth or (b) lost children in between ? I have used the database (IGI) through the SRO website : http://www.scotsorigins.com/igi-search.aspx I tried finding also marriage date & in search of parents of Janet and of John and would like to take this back further . I am grateful for the help of those who had helped me prior to this posting , as well as being able to have a great list of people to consult with. Thank -you Andrea B.

Robert, If you are referring to Donald Sutherland, the actor, there are several bios. for him on the Net. No need to write to N.B. He was born July 6 1934 in St. John, NB. His parents - father Frederick Sutherland (salesman); mother Dorothy McNichol. Pat Winnipeg On Thursday, April 17, 2003, at 05:36 AM, Robert Randall wrote: > Hello Donald, > > I suggest you purchase the birth certificate of your Donald, > this should give you the details you want. You get this through > whatever agency in that part of Canada handles Birth, Death & > Marriage Registrations. > > ChristineR > Victoria Australia > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robert Sutherland <rsuth02@earthlink.net> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 3:35 PM > Subject: [SUT] Donald Sutherland > > >> Can any of you inform me about the best way to find the PARENTS of >> Donald > SUTHERLAND, b July 17, 1934 in St. John, New Brunswick, Canada? > Perhaps a > name, place, phone number or e-mail address of the best place to obtain > that > info? Thanks for your help!!! >> >> >> Robert Sutherland >> Seattle, Washington, USA >> >> >> ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >> To check out previous messages >> http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ >> >> ============================== >> To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy >> records, > go to: >> http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >> > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hello Robert, http://www.telusplanet.net/public/mtoll/nb.htm Look at this page for some help. I had it bookmarked for the future. I have yet to do my work in New Brunswick. Recent birth records in Canada are not public information unless you can prove descendancy. Good Luck! Eileen Jefferies Bobcaygeon, Ontario --- Robert Sutherland <rsuth02@earthlink.net> wrote: > Can any of you inform me about the best way to find > the PARENTS of Donald SUTHERLAND, b July 17, 1934 in > St. John, New Brunswick, Canada? Perhaps a name, > place, phone number or e-mail address of the best > place to obtain that info? Thanks for your help!!! > > > Robert Sutherland > Seattle, Washington, USA > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion > online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

I have a couple of software programs, but none of them display all of the information that I want to see. I can put an individual in and get a list of direct ancestors, or I can put an individual in and get a list of direct descendants, but I am unable to see the whole tree all at once. Its just a small point but its annoying when I know my tree is so much bigger than it looks! Does anyone know of a program where you can see the whole tree (ie : all the brothers and sisters of ancestors and descendants)? Claire Atkinson in gloriously sunny Somerset, England.

Hello all, I posted this message before. By now I thought there would be a response. Maybe not all got it. So here goes again. Today I viewed the reel for Rogart at our local LDS centre. Is it possible that the records for this era (Late 1700's- middle 1800's) were rewritten, years ago? The reason I ask is that there was a set of records, fairly well kept, and then a second on what appeared to be on smaller paper that were quite poorly done and water damaged, with the same information. The records, of certain family members, started in 1795. There is a record of a William born to James Sutherland and Katherine Campbell,residing at Craggy Strath Brora(I believe this is the place) on April 8, 1795. The second record is for Duncan born to James Sutherland and Katherine Campbell, Dalreavoch, on February 26, 1797. Some questions then came to mind. Would it be reasonable to assume that this was the same couple(James and Katherine) living at different locations? How far apart are these locations? I know there was a daughter, but alas, there is no record for her. She was supposed to have emigrated with Duncan and their mother, Katherine, to Pictou County, Nova Scotia in 1831. I have no information for William. Can anyone shed some light on this? Donald Lee Sutherland, Hamilton, Ontario _________________________________________________________________

Try this address. You need to get Donald's birth certificate and it should give you his parents names. New Brunswick Vital Records Write to: The Registrar General Vital Statistics Division P.O. Box 6000 Fredericton, N.B., E3B 5H1 Telephone: (506) 453-2385 They currently have complete records dating from 1920. Sporadic records exist from 1893 to 1920. For selected county records dated previous to 1893, write to: The Provincial Archives P.O. Box 6000 Fredericton, N.B., E3B 5H1 Telephone: (506) 453-2122 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Sutherland" <rsuth02@earthlink.net> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 11:35 PM Subject: [SUT] Donald Sutherland > Can any of you inform me about the best way to find the PARENTS of Donald SUTHERLAND, b July 17, 1934 in St. John, New Brunswick, Canada? Perhaps a name, place, phone number or e-mail address of the best place to obtain that info? Thanks for your help!!! > > > Robert Sutherland > Seattle, Washington, USA > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hi! I have also heard Master Genealogist is the best programme & the one that most professionals use. If I were starting out now, despite how much I like Family Tree Maker, I would be taking a serious look at Master Genealogist. I have not yet seen it though, so am only going by hearsay. Margaret North Vancouver British Columbia, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: ksp To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 12:10 AM Subject: [SUT] Record keeping I'm currently a Family Tree Maker user, and like Margaret of British Columbia, find it very user friendly. They are always improving their product and the cost of updates is quite reasonable. I have heard, however, that Master Genealogist is the best program out there and one that serious genealogists prefer, and it is suppose to be easy to use. I recently met with a few professional genealogists and all of them are using Master Genealogist. Karen Sutherland-Pahia Kahaluu, Hawaii ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi! Family Tree Maker version 10 (& earlier versions too if I remember correctly) produce an ""All in One" Tree, which lists every person in your data base into a tree. It is nice to have all the siblings of the ancestors showing. Bit difficult to see everyone or to print it out for large trees though. Margaret North Vancouver British Columbia, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Claire Atkinson To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 12:56 AM Subject: [SUT] Re:Storing Records I have a couple of software programs, but none of them display all of the information that I want to see. I can put an individual in and get a list of direct ancestors, or I can put an individual in and get a list of direct descendants, but I am unable to see the whole tree all at once. Its just a small point but its annoying when I know my tree is so much bigger than it looks! Does anyone know of a program where you can see the whole tree (ie : all the brothers and sisters of ancestors and descendants)? Claire Atkinson in gloriously sunny Somerset, England. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Can any of you inform me about the best way to find the PARENTS of Donald SUTHERLAND, b July 17, 1934 in St. John, New Brunswick, Canada? Perhaps a name, place, phone number or e-mail address of the best place to obtain that info? Thanks for your help!!! Robert Sutherland Seattle, Washington, USA

I have decided to have a go at doing a story. Helped this week by finding John McMILLAN's missing Irish wife. She remarried two years after his death. She had no more children (to anyone) after the death of Flora McKay - her second daughter, aged 1 year. Apart from Flora McKay the 2nd, who was already on the way. Being before civil reg. here in Victoria, I'm hoping to find a newspaper report for a clue as to death. Sometime after this, 1851, and 1862 (when John actually had his illigitimate child registered as a child of his marriage!) they became estranged. John had another "spouse" on his death certificate and the extra kid. He was named Gillespie Rankin McMILLAN, but brought up as Oscar. Luckily, on his mother's death certificate he is listed as "Rankin". Who cares why! it made our day! proof that the two were the one person. (There was a Gillespie RANKIN christened in Durness around the same time a John) Needless to say, this was a bit of a shock to the descendant's of Oscar McMILLAN - explains why they hadn't found a birth certificate. But, every time you find a bit of the jigsaw, it certainly creates a whole new set of questions. Thanks for your encouragement..... I'll pop off to the archives, as I'm pretty sure you did post a suggested guideline to size, etc some time back. ChristineR Vic Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 2:07 AM Subject: RE: [SUT] FROM SUTHERLAND TO OTHER LANDS > You start writing Christine. None of us have the perfect story with every > question answered. We all have blanks but still a story worth the telling. > When the book is published and selling around the world who knows - maybe > other descendants of your family will be able to fill the gaps! Well we can > all hope. > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England

I'm currently a Family Tree Maker user, and like Margaret of British Columbia, find it very user friendly. They are always improving their product and the cost of updates is quite reasonable. I have heard, however, that Master Genealogist is the best program out there and one that serious genealogists prefer, and it is suppose to be easy to use. I recently met with a few professional genealogists and all of them are using Master Genealogist. Karen Sutherland-Pahia Kahaluu, Hawaii

I use Family Tree Maker, an early version, which is satisfactory: as I exchange experiencve with users of other programs, it seems there is no 100% program. But whatever you use BACK UP FREQUENTLY: I did not, and lost notes on 700+ people, and it took me a long time to get back to the same point! Re pictures, unless you have a modern computer with many Gbs of empty space, I would say keep images, which are greedy of space separately on CD-R, Zip disc, etc. Donald Massey ----- Original Message ----- > As I build up my records and data, I'm looking for advice/comment as to how others store theirs. > > I presently use the freeware from Ancestry.com and Legacy to keep my 'tree' up to date, but how does that compare with other systems? Does anyone have Family Tree or other systems? Is it good or better than the freeware? > > I've recently managed to obtain lots of family pics from cousins, so I eventually want to have some stored with my tree. Any views on that? > > Sorry if this is a little 'off-topic' > > edward > > ______________________________

Thanks to all for their comments - very helpful. edward Limpsfield, Surrey

I know I'm probably not meant to do this but I'm at the end of my tether! I have problems viewing the images on the Scottish GRO website. No-one there has been able to assist me. I was wondering if there's any Mac users out there that might be able to assist? Waiting in Geordie land in frustration Moira

Hi all I use FTM 10 and find it is a good program. I have some cd's of theirs so find that it is important to have the program as they are some very good cd's. We have had a strange week here in Sarnia, Ontario, yesterday the city was put under containment, as the chemical valley had lost its hydro and had released some dangerous chemicals into the air, the wind was coming directly toward the city so as a result the entire city was pretty much shut down with everyone locking windows and shutting down furnaces etc....even the city buses quit running. Apparently it was some sort of chemical that takes oxygen out of the air......or at least one of the releases, heavens knows what else was released.........lol, we will probably never be told. The containment last maybe about 5 hours.......at which time they told us it was ok to go back outside. I personally have never had anything quite like that happen to me before. Well back to family tree programs, I have tried a couple of others, generations....and one other cant recall the name of it and they all seem really good and have their own personalities......I stick with FTM mostly because of the other cd's I have, the only thing I find is that if you have someone else that wants to send you a file of FTM it wont load unless you have at least the version they have, if you try to load a lower version into a higher one it will not work. I guess that is their way of forcing you to buy the next version of their software Cathy Wagner Sarnia, Ontario

Hi Alasdair, Would love to know if you have anyone by the name of CARTER in the Estate of Dunbeath, Latheron Lists that you are doing. Any attachments with information would be gratefully received. Thanks, Celeste