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Thank you to all those who responded to my request for information about Thomas Gillespie. I must apologise for the confusion caused by my transposition of dates as Thomas Gillespie the Lowland grazier came to Glengarry in 1782 not 1872. Jim Yeoman

Tom Thanks very much. That is very helpful. Copies of the extracts would be very welcome as I hope to visit the area again next week. I will be looking at the area round the now abandoned 'modern' house with great interest. For the record, my geat great grandfather and mother (Kerr and Janet Armstrong) lived at Mussel (now part of a cowshed!), my GG grandfather and mother (William Grant and Mary Armstrong) married there and my grandfather (Donald) was born there. My GGF/M then moved up to the shepherd's house at the modern Allnabad (now roofless and abandoned except by sheep) which stands on or close to the site you describe. A daughter (Janet) was born there before the family moved to Freisgill south of Whiten Head. Details at http://members.aol.com/donjgrant. Don Grant Chesham, Bucks In a message dated 06/05/2003 00:06:15 GMT Standard Time, tmwgray@btinternet.com writes: > Don, > > Don't have any information on the village but I do have it on a couple of > map sections that I downloaded (I think from the Charting the Nation > website) > > South from Loch Hope is the village of Mussel. South again is the Dun > Dornadilla or Dun Dornigill. Continuing south the road shows a fork going > westward into Glen Golly and ends at a shooting Lodge. Blaid is on this > small fork. > None of this is on the modern map, but I would think it is not far south of > Altnacaillich in Strathmore. > Let me know if you would like a copy of the map sent off list. > > My interest in Blaid is that my GG G-Father Donald McKay's (b abt. 1798) > family seem to have come from this area. He was later evicted or cleared > to > Strath Melness. > Tom McKay Watson Gray > Aberdeen, Scotland > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/2003 > > >

******************************************************************************************************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ******************************************************************************************************************************************************* I would agree that a connection is unlikely. Do you mean 1772? If my memory is correct, the Thomas Gillespie sheep farmer was related to the architect James Gillespie Graham (who added Graham when he married an heiress). Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes [mailto:rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk] Sent: 05 May 2003 08:59 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SUT] GILLESPIE ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* Gillespie is one of the rarer names in Sutherland. In the many graveyards there are only three which contain folks of that name, Dornoch Golf Road, Rogart and Helmsdale - none of which contain a Thomas nor any indication that they relate to the family you mention. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Jim Yeoman [mailto:jimy@hyper.net.nz] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 3:40 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] GILLESPIE I have just subscribed to this list in the hope that somebody may be able to help me with information about my GILLESPIE ancestors. I am currently reading 'The Highland Clearances' by John Prebble and he writes about Thomas Gillespie, a lowlander grazier who came to Glengarry in 1872. Does anybody on the list have any further information the Thomas Gillespie John Prebble was writing about? I am trying to establish whether there is any connection with my gg grandfather Thomas Gillespie who was born in Farr on 20 Apr 1818. His parents were apparently George Gillespie and Sarah McLean. He was living in Halkirk Caithness in 1839 when he married Elizabeth Laing who, was born in Roxburgh and whose parents were supposed to have brought sheep from Roxburgh to Caithness. Also all my Gillespie relations who immigrated to New Zealand appear to have worked with sheep here in New Zealand, either as shepherds, shearers or sheep farm managers. To add to my curiosity on this subject I have poems written by by my g grandfather's brother in which he writes nostalgically about Strathnaver and the McKays. I would appreciate any help anybody on the list could give on this query. Jim Yeoman North Otago New Zealand ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk.

Don, Don't have any information on the village but I do have it on a couple of map sections that I downloaded (I think from the Charting the Nation website) South from Loch Hope is the village of Mussel. South again is the Dun Dornadilla or Dun Dornigill. Continuing south the road shows a fork going westward into Glen Golly and ends at a shooting Lodge. Blaid is on this small fork. None of this is on the modern map, but I would think it is not far south of Altnacaillich in Strathmore. Let me know if you would like a copy of the map sent off list. My interest in Blaid is that my GG G-Father Donald McKay's (b abt. 1798) family seem to have come from this area. He was later evicted or cleared to Strath Melness. Tom McKay Watson Gray Aberdeen, Scotland --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/2003

Nice to see that work continues as we all hoped it would at Clyne Kirkton. The graveyard looked a lot different in September last than in March last year when I joined the clean up crew ! Mention of the beautiful flowers reminds me of the fantastic sight of thousands of snowdrops in and around the inside of the old Church this inspired me to make a discovery in September. We met the late Willie Gunn ( only just over a week before his untimely death) at Clyne Kirkton and had a good look round I had resolved to plant some snowdrops over the grave of my 2 time Great Grandfather Neil Macbeath as it looked lonely without but in doing so we found a cover stone over the grave covered with thin turf which is probably why know snowdrops grew ! funny how small things lead to discoveries! any way we put some snowdrops round the edge and I hope to see them grow on. Many people may wonder why my c.d. of "Memorabilia Domestica" is dedicated to Willie Gunn this is because of our discussion that day when he was so keen to POSH have this on c.d. I personally felt it a great honour to dedicate this to him. Iain Membership Secretary POSH Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire www.sutherlandheritage.com member's interests in Sutherland http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html

Hi everyone Please forgive me if some of these answers seem old - I am trying to catch up on a huge batch of emails. The dreaded work has taken all my time during the past month but hopefully things will now calm down. Donald - regarding records - there are periods when no records exist. I always work on the assumption that most folks will turn up sometime - if not at birth then census, marriage, death. When two people from different parishes married the Banns were normally called in both parishes not always on the same day. This is what the IGI show - Banns and not the actual marriage. However it is fair to say that 99.9% of Banns called ended in a marriage. The OPRs generally show the actual marriage. Christine -----Original Message----- From: L Sutherland [mailto:lsuth27@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:36 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SUT]Rogart Records Again Thank you Christine, Your response cleared a couple of mysteries. Would it be reasonable to assume that during any period, not all records were kept? Duncan's brother or cousin, John was supposed to have been younger, yet I have never found a record for him until his marriage to Janet Murray in the Dornoch area. Second point, might a record of marriage have been recorded in two parishes, one for the groom, the other for the bride? This arises from the entries of marriage for John Sutherland and Janet Murray, on or about the date of April 24/25, 1829. He was John Sutherland Lothbeg, she Janet Murray,Berichan, Dornoch. This entry is from the reel including Loth records. There are also entries for Kildonan and Dornoch for the same day. This is the only John Sutherland/Janet Murray record for Sutherland in a 40 year period! Doanld Lee Sutherland, Hamilton, Ontario _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.471 / Virus Database: 269 - Release Date: 4/10/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003

A descendant in New Zealand has written to ask which hotel in East Clyne would the Hugh Gunn shown below have been the keeper of. Can anyone help? If anyone relates to this family or can add any information please get in touch and I will supply email address of researcher. JOHN GUNN married ISABELLA GORDON [8/5/1824-14/1/1900] [11/8/1825-13/4/1917] Isabella (Bell) was born in Rogart, daughter of Donald Gordon and Janet Mackay – see Gordon Families GN167. She and John married on 6 or 7 May 1847. Banns were called in both Rogart and Clyne (SCR). John was born in Clyne, son of William Gunn and Anne Melville (IGI). The 1881 census shows John Gunn, a crofter in East Clyne, with his wife, Isabella, sons George and Hugh, who were both domestic builders, daughters Annabella, a dressmaker and Sarah who attended school. James Grant, who later the same year married Annabella, was living with the family as a visitor. He was a Mercantile Clerk. John and Isabella had a number of children including: Hugh, born 24 June 1853 [died 9 May 1934 East Clyne, hotel keeper]. Many thanks Christine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003

Great to read that their work is lighter this year following the mega clear up last year. The enclosure which contains Gabriel Reed's stone certainly did need attention. I wish you could all see the carpet of spring flowers which cover the ground at this time of year. Ron Patrick's gates certainly deserve recognition - a long way to come to paint some gates. We still need lots of help to carry on the work of POSH. We need donations to allow our work to go forward. Next month we are having a meeting with Rogart Heritage Society to discuss ways in which POSH can help with the large number of stones which have fallen and broken in St Callan's. We will also be looking at burial grounds in Assynt and Durness to gauge where POSH can be of most use. Your committee are dedicated to this worthwhile cause but can only do so much without funds. We do so very much appreciate all those who have helped us raise a good sum but as always need more. If you are not yet a POSH member please consider joining us. Every penny goes towards restoring the graveyards of Sutherland, final resting place of many of our ancestors. Many thanks Christine Chairperson www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Just Imagine [mailto:tripetwo@yahoo.ca] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 4:56 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Clynekirkton Spring Cleaning Check out the Northern Times at www.northern-times.co.uk/features.asp?storyvar=117. See also the article at www.northern-times.co.uk/features.asp?storyvar=120. Thanks to Ron Patrick and the dedicated members of the Clyne Heritage Society. Great work! Trish Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003

Gillespie is one of the rarer names in Sutherland. In the many graveyards there are only three which contain folks of that name, Dornoch Golf Road, Rogart and Helmsdale - none of which contain a Thomas nor any indication that they relate to the family you mention. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Jim Yeoman [mailto:jimy@hyper.net.nz] Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2003 3:40 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] GILLESPIE I have just subscribed to this list in the hope that somebody may be able to help me with information about my GILLESPIE ancestors. I am currently reading 'The Highland Clearances' by John Prebble and he writes about Thomas Gillespie, a lowlander grazier who came to Glengarry in 1872. Does anybody on the list have any further information the Thomas Gillespie John Prebble was writing about? I am trying to establish whether there is any connection with my gg grandfather Thomas Gillespie who was born in Farr on 20 Apr 1818. His parents were apparently George Gillespie and Sarah McLean. He was living in Halkirk Caithness in 1839 when he married Elizabeth Laing who, was born in Roxburgh and whose parents were supposed to have brought sheep from Roxburgh to Caithness. Also all my Gillespie relations who immigrated to New Zealand appear to have worked with sheep here in New Zealand, either as shepherds, shearers or sheep farm managers. To add to my curiosity on this subject I have poems written by by my g grandfather's brother in which he writes nostalgically about Strathnaver and the McKays. I would appreciate any help anybody on the list could give on this query. Jim Yeoman North Otago New Zealand ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 4/24/2003

Hello all, I happened upon the grave inscription for an Alexander Sutherland in the Navidale Cemetery. He was killed in the First Great War. If anyone has a connection, they can follow this link to read his actual Canadian enlistment papers. http://data4.archives.ca/netacgi/nph-brs?s1=&s2=&s3=252241&Sect4=AND&l=20&Sect1=IMAGE&Sect2=THESOFF&Sect5=CEF6PEN&Sect6=HITOFF&d=CEF6&p=1&u=http://www.archives.ca/02/02010602_e.html&r=1&f=G Once you get to the page, click on the Front of Form. When it loads, click on the lower right corner to enlarge it. Do the same for Back of Form. Donald Lee Sutherland, Hamilton, ONtario _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus

I have just subscribed to this list in the hope that somebody may be able to help me with information about my GILLESPIE ancestors. I am currently reading 'The Highland Clearances' by John Prebble and he writes about Thomas Gillespie, a lowlander grazier who came to Glengarry in 1872. Does anybody on the list have any further information the Thomas Gillespie John Prebble was writing about? I am trying to establish whether there is any connection with my gg grandfather Thomas Gillespie who was born in Farr on 20 Apr 1818. His parents were apparently George Gillespie and Sarah McLean. He was living in Halkirk Caithness in 1839 when he married Elizabeth Laing who, was born in Roxburgh and whose parents were supposed to have brought sheep from Roxburgh to Caithness. Also all my Gillespie relations who immigrated to New Zealand appear to have worked with sheep here in New Zealand, either as shepherds, shearers or sheep farm managers. To add to my curiosity on this subject I have poems written by by my g grandfather's brother in which he writes nostalgically about Strathnaver and the McKays. I would appreciate any help anybody on the list could give on this query. Jim Yeoman North Otago New Zealand

Check out the Northern Times at www.northern-times.co.uk/features.asp?storyvar=117. See also the article at www.northern-times.co.uk/features.asp?storyvar=120. Thanks to Ron Patrick and the dedicated members of the Clyne Heritage Society. Great work! Trish Toronto ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca

Format: Name, profession, marital status; date and place of death; sex; age in years; father; mother's maiden name; cause of death; informant. Margaret GUNN, pauper, single; Jan 28, at Skinnid; F; 69; William GUNN, crofter, deceased; Janet GORDON, deceased; unknown; Archibald McNeill, Inspector of Poor. Donald CAMPBELL, crofter, married to Margaret MACKAY, illegitimate; Feb 20 at Braetongue; M; 89; Barbara MACKAY, deceased; unknown; George CAMPBELL, son. Catherine MACKAY, pauper, single; Mar 11 at Achtotty; F; 82; Angus MACKAY, crofter, deceased; Barbara MACDONALD, deceased; wound of temple, loss of blood, 10 days; George MACKAY, brother. Janet MACKAY, widow of James MACKAY, general labourer; Mar 14 at Clashaidy; F; 88; John MACKAY, crofter, decesaed; Janet MACKAY, deceased; general debility; Hugh McKAY, son. Mary MACKAY, pauper, formerly a domestic servant, single; Mar 27 at Rhitongue; F; 81; John MACKAY, crofter, deceased; Mary INNIS, deceased; cirrhosis of liver, intestinal haemorrhage, 1 year, six months; Robertina SUTHERLAND, niece. John MACKAY, crofter, married to Janet GUNN; Apr 15 at Midtown; M; 35; Mackay MACKAY, crofter, deceased; Betsie MACKAY; consumption, haemoptysis 4 years; Hugh McKAY, uncle. Angus MURRAY, watchmaker, married to Margaret MACKAY; May 1 at Braetongue; M; 73; Hugh MURRAY, crofter, deceased; Christina DINGWALL, deceased; senile decay, obstruction of bowels 2 years; George MURRAY, son. Evelyn Florence AUSTIN, single; May 1 at Kirkiboll; F; 21 months; John A. AUSTIN, M.D., medical practitioner; Elizabeth Allen MARTLAND; diarrhaea, cerebral congestion; J. A. AUSTIN, father. Donald MACKENZIE, pauper, formerly general labouer, widower, May 11 at Lamigo; M; 76; John MACKENZIE, crofter, deceased; Christina MACKAY, deceased; senile decay; Archibald McNEILL, Inspector of Poor. Catherine GORDON or MACKAY [that's what is written], married to William MACKAY, crofter Skinnid; May 6 at Skinnid; F; 76; Isaac GORDON, crofter, deceased; Barbara GUNN, deceased; genearl debility; WIlliam MACKAY, widower. George MACKAY, Royal Navy reserve, married to Ann GOW; May 7 at Skinnid; M; 38; Robert MACKAY, crofter, deceased; Georgina SUTHERLAND, deceased; Consumption 18 months; Donald GOW, father-in-law. Dolina MATHESON, single; May 18 at Modsary; F; 21; John MATHESON, general labourer; Mary MACKAY; typhus fever 23 days; John MATHESON, father. Barbara CAMPBELL, widow of James CAMPBELL, crofter; Jul 3 at Midtown; f; 69; William MACKAY, crofter, deceased; Ann MACKAY, deceased; unknown; George CAMPBELL, son. Ann MACLEOD, single; Jun 24 at Midfield; F; 7; Hector MCLEOD, fisherman; WIlliamina MACKAY; croup 3 days; Andrewina McLEOD, sister. Robert MACKAY, single; Jul 20 at West Strathen; M; 6 weeks; James MACKAY, fisherman; Catherine MACKAY, hooping cough; Robert MACKAY, grandfather. Joseph Paterson MUNRO, ferryman, married to Flora MACKAY; Jun 16 at Tongue Kyle; M; 26; Robert MUNRO, ferryman; Jane MACKAY; drowned in the Kyle of Tongue by the upsetting of the ferry boat; body found 10th July 1881; Robert MUNRO, father; See reg of correction entries, Vol 1, P 31; 23 Aug 1881. James MUNRO, single, Jul 18 at Skinnid; M; 2; John MUNRO, fisherman; Helen HARVEY; hooping cough; John MUNRO, father. John MACKENZIE; master tailor, married to Lexy GUNN; Jul 19 at Tubeg; M; 74; Donald MACKENZIE, fisherman, deceased; Janet SUTHERLAND, deceased; obstruction of bowels 14 days; Robert MACKAY, neighbour. John Andrew MACINTOSH, single; Aug 1 at Rhitongue; M; 18 months; Donald MACINTOSH, master tailor; Alexandrina MILLER; hooping cough, meningitis, Donald McINTOSH, father. Donald GOW, single; Jul 24 at Talmine; M; 13 months; John GOW, fisherman; Annie MACKAY; hooping cough; George MACKAY, grandfather. Murdo MACKAY; crofter, married to Janet BAIN: Aug 17 at Achtotty; M; 80; ? MACKAY, crofter, deceased; Margaret MACKAY, deceased; cystitis 1 month 5 days; Hughina MACKAY, daughter-in-law. Angus MACKAY, crofter and master joiner, married to Jane MACKAY; Sept 2 at West Strathan, Melness; M; 65; Hugh MACKAY, master joiner, deceased; Effy MACKAY, deceased; unknown; John MCKAY, son. Hugh McLACHLAN, single; Sept 19 at Skerry Mains; M; 1 hour; Alexander McLACHLAN, public schoolmaster; Elizabeth TELFORD, unknown; Alexander McLACHLAN, father. John MACKAY, pauper, married to Ann MACKAY; Oct 9 at Melness; M; 76; Hugh MACKAY, general labourer, deceased; Jessie MACKAY, deceased; senile decay; John MACLEOD, neighbour. Eric MACKENZIE, pauper, widower; Oct 13 at Hyshbacky; M; 89; Donald MACKENZIE, gamekeeper, deceased; Catherine MACKAY, deceased; senile decay; William MCLEOD, son-in-law. Margaret MACKAY, general labourer, single; Oct 21 at Braekirkiboll; F; 63; Robert MACKAY, meal miller, deceased; Mary DUNCAN, deceased; cardiac dropsy 3 months; William MACKAY, nephew. Thomas MACKAY, master tailor, single; Nov 4 at Midtown; M; 58; John MACKAY, crofter, deceased; Janet MUNRO, deceased; renal dropsy 4 months; Hugh MACKAY, brother-in-law. Janet MACKAY, widow of Murdo MACKAY, crofter; Nov 23 at Achtotty; F; 84; William MACKAY, crofter, deceased; Margaret MACKAY, deceased; general debility; Donald MACKAY, son. Karen Sutherland-Pahia Kahaluu, Hawaii

Hi Can anyone give me any information on a pre-clearance village called Blaid. A correspondent of mine has suggested that it is at (or close to) the site of Allnabad on the road from Strathmore to Altnaharra but I haven't been able to trace anything to give a specific site. There are a couple of references in the Militia lists but these don't provide any location. Thanks Don Grant http://members.aol.com/donjgrant donjgrant@aol.com

Good Morning, possibly some varied info here. Worth Book marking. http://www.scottishancestry.freeserve.co.uk/mi.htm#Bower Yours Aye Dick Murray --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.476 / Virus Database: 273 - Release Date: 24/04/2003

Hi Ann, I think that Elspeth, at least, is a name used by many families, as is the nick-name Ep or Eppy. Ian in Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: R A Mackay Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2003 3:52 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Re: SCT-SUTHERLAND-D Digest V03 #184 Our Elspeth Murray Mackay turns up as Eppy in the census, her daughter Euphemia is listed as Effy. We found this very confusing!! Wondering whether Euphemia and Elspth are Murray names in particular, our Murrays certainly used them, family of Angus Murray and Euphemia Campbell. regards, Ann & Ken ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

There's always talk of change in some areas of local government, but certainly haven't heard any demand expressed here in the northern highlands. With a population of 13,778 at the census in 2001, Sutherland would struggle to afford its own unitary authority. The population fell slightly on the 1991 figure of 13,842. Denise, Sutherland