Hi List, further to a recent query regarding Mary McMillan's residency in Sutherland in 1851, after having find a brief entry on a listing in the McMILLAN surname pages. "Somewhere else" on the web I found the complete entry for this Mary...... not mine. So if someone has a Mary (of whatever surname) who married a James (probably) McMillan, who appears to have been absent on census day. Census place - Ardrossan, Ayr Z/ 51/ 63/ GLASGOW STREET/ J/ MARY/ MCMILLAN/ WIFE/ MAR/ / 36/ / SUT/ DURNISS/ J/ JAMES/ MCMILLAN/ SON/ / 6/ / SCHOLAR/ AYR/ ARDROSSAN/ J/ MARY/ MCMILLAN/ DAUR/ / / .500/ / AYR/ ARDROSSAN/ ChristineR Vic Australia

******************************************************************************************************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ******************************************************************************************************************************************************* I would have thought not: St Gilbert was not in an 'isolated' area - he was very much part of the new feudal order in the north. Details and references (and to all the bishops, archdeacons etc) Fasti Ecclesia Scoticanae Medii Aevi Ad Annum 1638, edited D L Watt and A L Murray, 2003, Scottish Records Society Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Glen Matheson [mailto:jag.matheson@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: 30 April 2003 01:13 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Early Sutherland Priests ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* Has anyone one list researched the early Bishops of Caithness (and Sutherland) ? I seem to recall reading that the Columban Catholic clergy were permitted to marry and that this continued in isolated areas after the Roman Catholic church was introduced. It was also implied that marriage was overlooked in the political appointments to the higher offices, as in the case of brothers of the local Earl or the King. Would be likely that Gilbert of Moray, (Saint Gilbert who founded Dornoch Cathedral), had offspring ? Glen ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk.

******************************************************************************************************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ******************************************************************************************************************************************************* John Morrison appears to have commenced in 1912 - I do not know when he demitted. He appears to have been factor at Tongue prior to moving to take over the Dunrobin district. Malcolm Dundee, Scotland -----Original Message----- From: Iain Sutherland [mailto:iain_sutherland@totalise.co.uk] Sent: 13 May 2003 20:27 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Factor For The Duke ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* My Grandfather in his youth was " a coach driver for the factor for the Duke of Sutherland a Mr. Morrison who had 2 sisters and lived at Rhives, Golspie " has anyone any information on the years Mr. Morrison was in this post? Iain Membership Secretary POSH Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire www.sutherlandheritage.com member's interests in Sutherland http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk.

My Grandfather in his youth was " a coach driver for the factor for the Duke of Sutherland a Mr. Morrison who had 2 sisters and lived at Rhives, Golspie " has anyone any information on the years Mr. Morrison was in this post? Iain Membership Secretary POSH Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire www.sutherlandheritage.com member's interests in Sutherland http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html

Hello again, (As promised for Dick Murray) This afternoon, we traveled to the farm of Allan and Jane Murray. He is the great grandson of James Murray, the founding family member of their farm, now known as Island View Farm. They took us to the family grave yard where we had been years ago. Some of the wall has fallen and the Murray family is in the process of restoration. As was asked earlier about missing stones, this site of about 40 feet square has over 20 burials and yet only four or five stones visible. The stone for the first Murray is "James Murray, 1824-1907 of Jetbordugh, Scotland." Unless I am mistaken, they were trying to spell Jedburgh, Roxburgh county, Scotland. Some others may provide guidance. The IGI site shows a James MUrray, 1825 to John Murray and Margaret Clerk. Does this help? Donald Lee Sutherland, Hamilton, Ontario _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail

I have an Alexander Mackay m. Catherine Matheson with daughter Davidina b. Dornoch 28 Aug 1806. Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 11:36 PM Subject: [SUT] MACKAY > In my work on the Mackays there are many families who do not seem to appear > in any census records. It is my belief that these people emigrated from > Sutherland. Does anyone know this family? > JAMES MACKAY married JANET MATHESON > James in Pronsie, Dornoch, and Janet of Evelix, Dornoch, married in Dornoch > on 8 December 1784 (OPR). James was a servant at Cyderhall. > They had the following children born in Dornoch (IGI/OPR): > MARGARET, born 14 December 1784 Evelicks; > CHRISTIAN, born 14 December 1784; > ALEXANDER, born 27 December 1785 Achinal; > WILLIAM, born 25 December 1787 Achlach; > MARION, born 22 May 1791 Cyderhall; > JOHN, born 12 December 1792 Cyderhall > JOHN, born 24 July 1795 Cyderhall. > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 5/6/2003 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Claire, I'm sorry but I could not find any of them. Regrettably, the page on which "one r" Morisons should be listed did not print properly so that is a possibility that someone with a C&R book could check. I do not know whether Balnakeil would have any lair records for that time period, or at all, but that might be worth pursuing. Otherwise, there are a couple of other cemeteries in the area but I do not have anything on them. Others might. Incidentally, my cousin, Frank Morrison, lives at Laid (he went there from Durness in the last 20 years, I think, so we are probably not related) so if you can't find anything through the list, I can write to him and ask where people from Laid are likely to be buried. Regards, Ian Morrison, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: Claire Atkinson Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 5:31 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Durness Deaths Hello Ian Thanks for your kind offer of looking to see if some of my relations may be buried at Balnakiel. There are 3 that I know for sure died at Laid, Durness. Hughina Gunn - died 28/01/1923 Age 94 (Wow!) Barbara Morrison - died 1906 Age 42 John Morrison - died 1892 Age 40 If you need to know any other details such as next of kin, cause of death, place/date of birth, then please let me know. Hughina was an unmarried crofter who was the mother of Barbara Morrison (nee Falconer). Barbara married John Morrison. John was a fisherman. I don't know, but I guess they must have been quite poor, so they probably don't have gravestones. Thanks again Claire Atkinson (nee Morrison!) Somerset, England ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hello Ian Thanks for your kind offer of looking to see if some of my relations may be buried at Balnakiel. There are 3 that I know for sure died at Laid, Durness. Hughina Gunn - died 28/01/1923 Age 94 (Wow!) Barbara Morrison - died 1906 Age 42 John Morrison - died 1892 Age 40 If you need to know any other details such as next of kin, cause of death, place/date of birth, then please let me know. Hughina was an unmarried crofter who was the mother of Barbara Morrison (nee Falconer). Barbara married John Morrison. John was a fisherman. I don't know, but I guess they must have been quite poor, so they probably don't have gravestones. Thanks again Claire Atkinson (nee Morrison!) Somerset, England

Hi Liz, > In einer eMail vom 11.05.2003 21:01:26 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerze schreibt > angigael@blueyonder.co.uk: > > > I [and others on the list] can look up Cowper & Ross for you. > > What is Cowper adn Ross? "Pre-1855 tombstone inscriptions in Sutherland burial grounds" by A.S.Cowper & I.Ross, published at Edinburgh in 1989 by the Scottish Genealogy Society. Somewhat incomplete. Angi

Hi Claire, > On the subject of Durness Burial Grounds, where might someone who died at > Laid, Durness be buried? I have several folks who died there. Most folk seem to have been buried at Balnakiel. > And in general, how could I find out where people are buried? I have the > death certificates but don't know where to begin looking for the actual > bodies! I [and others on the list] can look up Cowper & Ross for you. In June I'll be going up to Durness to photograph/transcribe Balnakiel cemetery for POSH. Cheers Angi -- Angi Lamb Portobello, Edinburgh angigael@blueyonder.co.uk

In einer eMail vom 11.05.2003 21:01:26 (MEZ) - Mitteleurop. Sommerze schreibt angigael@blueyonder.co.uk: > I [and others on the list] can look up Cowper & Ross for you. Hi Angi, What is Cowper adn Ross? Liz in Munich

Hello List On the subject of Durness Burial Grounds, where might someone who died at Laid, Durness be buried? I have several folks who died there. And in general, how could I find out where people are buried? I have the death certificates but don't know where to begin looking for the actual bodies! Claire Atkinson Somerset

Hi Claire, Balnakeil is where I would first look and, if you provide the particulars, I would be happy to do so. Ian, Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: claireatkinson@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2003 8:58 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Durness Burial Grounds On the subject of Durness Burial Grounds, where might someone who died at Laid, Durness be buried? I have several folks who died there. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

What a marvellous job you're doing, Karen! Many thanks. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "ksp" <ksp@hawaii.rr.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 10:04 PM Subject: [SUT] Balance of 1874 deaths and start of 1872 Tongue Parish

Thanks Sue, It DOES look like Arnuboll, case of alternate spelling; a picture would be great! Thanks again, ChristineR ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Mackay <suemackay@onetel.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 6:16 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Annubull ? placename Durness area > Arnaboll is on the west side of Loch Hope. Arnaboll is one of the Durness > burial grounds, and having trekked there to find Lachlan Ross's grave I can > assure you it's in the middle of nowhere - but the views over the loch are > stunning!! I can e-mail you a picture if you want. > > Sue > > At 16:52 10/05/03 +1000, Robert Randall wrote: > >Hi List, > > > >I've recently received a photocopy of my John McMILLAN's > >christening - Durness, 1816. > >[through a fellow-researcher who got it from their local LDS Family > >History Centre - fairly scratched film by the look of it] > > > >father Ewan is a shepherd Annuboll - or it could be Sinuboll ! > >It is definitely NOT Erriboll. All versions of Erriboll on the page > >are clearly discernable. The first letter may have been overwritten > >which is why it's hard to tell what it is. The ..uboll are clearly that. > > > >The previous year when Ewan married Flory McKAY he lived at > >Shinness, then was a foxhunter & shepherd. > > > >Any thoughts? could it be a property name? > > > >ChristineR > >Vic Australia > > > > > > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > >To check out previous messages > >http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > >============================== > >To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > >go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi List, I've recently received a photocopy of my John McMILLAN's christening - Durness, 1816. [through a fellow-researcher who got it from their local LDS Family History Centre - fairly scratched film by the look of it] father Ewan is a shepherd Annuboll - or it could be Sinuboll ! It is definitely NOT Erriboll. All versions of Erriboll on the page are clearly discernable. The first letter may have been overwritten which is why it's hard to tell what it is. The ..uboll are clearly that. The previous year when Ewan married Flory McKAY he lived at Shinness, then was a foxhunter & shepherd. Any thoughts? could it be a property name? ChristineR Vic Australia

Janet MCKAY, pauper, widow of John MCKAY; Feb 11 at Midtown, Melness; F; 80; Donald MUNRO, tenant, deceased; Christina CAMPBELL, deceased; supposed paralysis; Thomas MACKAY, son. Mariona MCKAY, domestic servant, single; Geb 13 at Skerraybeg, Skerray; F; 64; Hugh MCKAY, tenant, deceased; Betty MCKAY, deceased; unknown; William MACKAY, cousin. Neil WATT, tailor, widower of Kathy SUTHERLAND [this is Catherine SUTHERLAND, daughter of William SUTHERLAND and Christina MACLEOD, my family]; Mar 25 at Rhitongue; M; 67; Donald WATT, deceased and Henrietta [maiden name not given, but it was MACKAY], deceased; bursting of a blood vessel; Andrew ROSS, son-in-law. John MCKAY, carpenter, married to Euphemia MCKAY; Apr 18 at Lamigo, Skerray; M; 35; Hugh MCKAY, tenant; Catherine ROSS; phthisis, pulmonalis; Donald MACKAY, brother-in-law. Johan MANSON, single; Apr 13 at Coldbacky; F; 9; McKAY MANSON, labourer; Mary CAMPBELL; debility after hooping cough; Hugh MANSON, uncle. Christina MCKAY; pauper, single; Apr 13 at Strathtongue; F; 82; Alexander MCKAY, tenant, deceased; Margaret MACKAY, deceased; general debility; William SUTHERLAND, neighbour. David SUTHERLAND, single; Apr 19 at Strathenbeg, Skerray; M; 29; Donald SUTHERLAND, tenant; Christina MCKAY; phthisis pulmonalis; H. G. MACKAY, uncle. Betty MCLEOD; widow of John McLEOD; May 1 at Midtown, Melness; F; 83; Robert MCKAY, tenant, deceased; ?; general debility; William MCLEOD, son. Catherine MANSON, pauper, widow of Angus MANSON; Jun 6 at Coldbacky; F; 94; Angus MCKAY, tenant, deceased; Ann CAMBPELL, deceased; general debility; Hugh MANSON, son. Robert MCKAY, F.C. Elder and tenant, married to Jane MCKAY; Jun 13 at Midtown, Melness; M; 69; John MCKAY, tenant, deceased; Mary SUTHERLAND< seceased; unknown; John MCKAY, son. Johan McKAY, widow of Robert MCKAY, carpenter; Jun 13 at Strathan; F; 70; Charles MCLEOD, tenant, deceaed; Ann MCLEOD, deceased; general debility; Daniel SHEARER, son-in-law. Hughina MCKAY, married to Peter MCKAY, builder; Jun 13 at Strathtongue; F; 69; Andrew ROSS, tenant, deceased; ?; unknown; H. G. MCKAY, son-in-law. William Colin MCKAY, single; Jul 11 at Island Roan; M; 6; William MCKAY, fisherman; Janet GUNN; fell over the rocks; Donald MCKAY, second cousin. Hugh MCKAY, single; Jun 27 at Strathan, Melness; M; 17; David MCKAY, tenant; Barbara SUTHERLAND, unknown; John SUTHERLAND, uncle. Robert John MCKAY, single; Aug 2 at Braetongue; M; 14 months; John MCKAY, F. C. teacher; Jane MUNRO; exhaustion following convulsions 7 days; John MUNRO, uncle. William MCKAY, single; Aug 17 at Island Roan; M; 6 days; William MCKAY, fisherman; Janet GUNN; unknown; George GUNN, grandfather. Marion MCKAY, single; Aug 12 at F. C. Manse, Strathtongue; F; 41; John McKAY, farmer; Christina MCKAY; unknown; Angus MURRAY, brother-in-law of Braetongue. Christina MCKAY, married to Alexander MCKAY, shepherd, Borgie; Aug 28 at Crosburn, Borgie; F; 32; Murdo MCDONALD, mason; Ann NIEAL; child bed; Doavid REID, cousin of Braetongue. Merran Thomasina Nelina MACKAY, single; Oct 7 at Achtotty, Skerray; F; 5; James MCKAY, tenant; Merran MCKAY, deceased; typhoid fever; Donald MCKAY, neighbour. Alexander MUNRO, single; Sep 19 at Talmine, Melness; M; 17; Alexander MUNRO, fisherman; Betty ?; unknown; James ?, neighbour. Ann MACDONALD, pauper, single; Oct 17 at Braetongue; F; 55; John MACDONALD, deceased; Margaret BALFOUR, deceased; heart disease and asthma; Archibald McNEIL, inspector of Poor. Mary MCKAY, pauper, single; Oct 20 at Skinnid, Melness; F; 70; Angus MACKAY, tenant, deceased; Barbara MCKAY, deceased, general debility; John MACKAY, brother. Alexander MACKAY, tenant, married to Isabella MCKAY; Oct 28, at Coldbacky; M; 68; Hugh MACKAY, tenant, deceased; Elizabeth MACKAY,deceased; stopping of bowels; John MACKAY, son. James MUNRO, single; Oct 26 at Skinnid, Melndess; M; 42; John MUNRO, tenant; Catherine MCKAY; unknown; Ann MUNRO, sister. Barbara MCKAY, single; Oct 13 at Torrisdale, Skerray; F; 30; William MCKAY, tenant; Christy MCKAY, deceased; unknown; William MCKAY, father. Janet MACKAY, domestic servant, single; Nov 5 at Skinnid, Melness; F; 91; Donald MACKAY, tenant, deceased; Mary MACKAY, deceased; general debility; Williamina FORBES, mistress. Merran MCKAY, married to Angus MCKAY, labourer; Nov 14 at Skinnid, Melness; F; 51; Angus MCKAY, tenant, deceased; Barbara MCKAY, deceased; unknown; John MCKAY, brother. Ann MCKAY, single; Dec 17 at Skinnit, Melness; F; 5 1/2; Robert MCKAY, teannt; Catherine MCKAY; unknown; Robert MACKAY, father. Janet MCKAY, married to Donald MCKAY, mason; Dec 17 at Achnabat, Skerray; F; 46; William MCKAY, tenant, deceased; Ketty MCKAY, deceased; fever; Donald MACKAY, husband. Aloha, Karen Sutherland-Pahia

Thanks, Florence --- that completes the picture. Sara (PS 'Florence' is the name of my Canadian great-grandmother and several of her descendants --- lovely!) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Florence P" <fpatter@golden.net> To: "Sara Thomas" <sethomas@btinternet.com> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Off-topic: CAN & USA dates > Sue: > In Canada first census taken 1851 > Registrations of births, marriages, deaths did not begin until 1869 > > Florence Patteron > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sara Thomas" <Sethomas@btinternet.com> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 11:26 PM > Subject: [SUT] Off-topic: CAN & USA dates > > > > Can some kind lister tell me the dates of the first *significant* > > census in the USA and in Canada, i.e equivalent to Scottish 1841? Also > > the earliest compulsory BMD registration dates in each country, > > equivalent to Scottish 1855? > > Many thanks. > > Sara > > Cardiff, Wales > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > To check out previous messages > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > >

Hi Folks Can anyone give me some info on a Reverend John Aitken of Rogart? I think he was a minister there in the early 1940s but I don't know which church. He may have had a sister Jeannie. I am trying to get death dates etc so I can trace back to see if they belong to the Waugh/Aitken family of Farr. Thanks Kathy --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/2003

A lady has contacted me looking for a Patrick McKay hus of Ann Quinn. Seems Patrick hailed from Ireland and died in Australia 1916. I have a vague recollection of these names appearing on this list before. Can anyone help me connect this lady to relatives/ John McKay Australia