It was invented by a Hungarian chap called Biro! (chap = bloke, guy, fellow) Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Sutherland" <iain_sutherland@totalise.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 7:07 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] photographs > Sorry this is a brand name for a ball point pen used by many folk to > describe any ball point > Iain > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Nancy Greig <nancy.brian@sympatico.ca> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:45 PM > Subject: Re: [SUT] photographs > > > > Excuse my ignorance......but what is 'biro'? Hope to get at a ton of > photos > > marked if I get some spare time??? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Nancy Sutherland Greig..... In a finally hot and sunny Ontario! > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jenny MacKay" <jabol@wn.com.au> > > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:08 AM > > Subject: Re: [SUT] photographs > > > > > > > If you are going to write on the backs of your photographs, please don't > > use > > > biro. There are special photo labelling pencils to use that are a very > > soft > > > lead and do not indent or harm your photos. Ink has been known to leak > > > through and destroy the very faces we have tried to preserve. > > > > > > I'm a Creative Memories consultant here in Western Australia and I hold > > > classes and workshops on teaching people how to preserve their precious > > > memories. I'm sure there are consultants out there in the UK and > elsewhere > > > who would be only too willing to teach you too. > > > > > > Kind regards > > > > > > Jenny MacKay > > > Geraldton West Australia > > > > > > ---------------- > > > > > > > A lesson here for today! We should all ensure we do write on the back > > of > > > > photographs when sending them to friends and relatives. > > > > I also have photographs of family weddings etc where I can only > > recognise > > > my > > > > own immediate family, granny, etc. I often look at these trying to > guess > > > who > > > > is who. > > > > > > > > Christine > > > > Northamptonshire, England > > > > www.highlandhearts.com > > > > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > > To check out previous messages > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > > > ============================== > > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy > records, > > go to: > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Sorry this is a brand name for a ball point pen used by many folk to describe any ball point Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Greig <nancy.brian@sympatico.ca> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 4:45 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] photographs > Excuse my ignorance......but what is 'biro'? Hope to get at a ton of photos > marked if I get some spare time??? > > Thanks, > > Nancy Sutherland Greig..... In a finally hot and sunny Ontario! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenny MacKay" <jabol@wn.com.au> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:08 AM > Subject: Re: [SUT] photographs > > > > If you are going to write on the backs of your photographs, please don't > use > > biro. There are special photo labelling pencils to use that are a very > soft > > lead and do not indent or harm your photos. Ink has been known to leak > > through and destroy the very faces we have tried to preserve. > > > > I'm a Creative Memories consultant here in Western Australia and I hold > > classes and workshops on teaching people how to preserve their precious > > memories. I'm sure there are consultants out there in the UK and elsewhere > > who would be only too willing to teach you too. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Jenny MacKay > > Geraldton West Australia > > > > ---------------- > > > > > A lesson here for today! We should all ensure we do write on the back > of > > > photographs when sending them to friends and relatives. > > > I also have photographs of family weddings etc where I can only > recognise > > my > > > own immediate family, granny, etc. I often look at these trying to guess > > who > > > is who. > > > > > > Christine > > > Northamptonshire, England > > > www.highlandhearts.com > > > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > To check out previous messages > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I'm after some advice yet again.... My Ewan McMILLAN was foxhunter to Mr Dunlop 1811. Mr Dunlop was the manager of Balnakeil Estate. In 1816 he was a shepherd at Arnaboll - not sure if this was a different estate, or he merely changed residence after getting married the year before (lived Shinness) How does one access these records? [if they exist] ?write to Estate or ?visit Edinburgh / pay a researcher ?anything online, free or pay-to-view ALL comments gratefully received! Thanks, ChristineR Vic Australia

Also, the care of old photos is important. Acid free paper to protect them, clean hands when handling them, and sometimes identification by numbering with a master sheet. I've discovered many things in old photos by using magnification. Saw one gentleman wearing a Free Mason's pin. Saw the detail on a family heirloom broach. One photo had children wearing black ribbons...turns out it was after a funeral. I even read the backwards lettering on the inside of a store window to find out where the photo was taken. Sue -----Original Message----- From: Robert Randall [mailto:rrandall1@vtown.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, May 20, 2003 12:46 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUT] photographs Hi Nancy, funny how one is suprised when a word that is in common usuage in one's own country isn't known everywhere else! "Biro" is a ball-point pen - I think it known thus because this was the brandname of the first ones here. Goodluck with your photos - but dont use ink! ChristineR Vic Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Nancy Greig <nancy.brian@sympatico.ca> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 21, 2003 1:45 AM Subject: Re: [SUT] photographs > Excuse my ignorance......but what is 'biro'? Hope to get at a ton of photos > marked if I get some spare time??? > > Thanks, > > Nancy Sutherland Greig..... In a finally hot and sunny Ontario! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jenny MacKay" <jabol@wn.com.au> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:08 AM > Subject: Re: [SUT] photographs > > > > If you are going to write on the backs of your photographs, please don't > use > > biro. There are special photo labelling pencils to use that are a very > soft > > lead and do not indent or harm your photos. Ink has been known to leak > > through and destroy the very faces we have tried to preserve. > > > > I'm a Creative Memories consultant here in Western Australia and I hold > > classes and workshops on teaching people how to preserve their precious > > memories. I'm sure there are consultants out there in the UK and elsewhere > > who would be only too willing to teach you too. > > > > Kind regards > > > > Jenny MacKay > > Geraldton West Australia > > > > ---------------- > > > > > A lesson here for today! We should all ensure we do write on the back > of > > > photographs when sending them to friends and relatives. > > > I also have photographs of family weddings etc where I can only > recognise > > my > > > own immediate family, granny, etc. I often look at these trying to guess > > who > > > is who. > > > > > > Christine > > > Northamptonshire, England > > > www.highlandhearts.com > > > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > To check out previous messages > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Need help please; James Matheson born 1793-1875 in Proncy married to Jane [or jean] Ross or [Rose in 1821. They had 13 children, I would like to find info on this family and see if they can provide any additional info. Thank you Frank in Novie

Excuse my ignorance......but what is 'biro'? Hope to get at a ton of photos marked if I get some spare time??? Thanks, Nancy Sutherland Greig..... In a finally hot and sunny Ontario! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jenny MacKay" <jabol@wn.com.au> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 6:08 AM Subject: Re: [SUT] photographs > If you are going to write on the backs of your photographs, please don't use > biro. There are special photo labelling pencils to use that are a very soft > lead and do not indent or harm your photos. Ink has been known to leak > through and destroy the very faces we have tried to preserve. > > I'm a Creative Memories consultant here in Western Australia and I hold > classes and workshops on teaching people how to preserve their precious > memories. I'm sure there are consultants out there in the UK and elsewhere > who would be only too willing to teach you too. > > Kind regards > > Jenny MacKay > Geraldton West Australia > > ---------------- > > > A lesson here for today! We should all ensure we do write on the back of > > photographs when sending them to friends and relatives. > > I also have photographs of family weddings etc where I can only recognise > my > > own immediate family, granny, etc. I often look at these trying to guess > who > > is who. > > > > Christine > > Northamptonshire, England > > www.highlandhearts.com > > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Mary Young posted several marriages to the site on April 6th; one was for David ROSS, son of David ROSS and Jessie MCLEOD of Cullaboll, Laig; to Jeannie MACKAY, daughter of John Burns MACKAY and Mary Ann SUTHERLAND of Braetongue, married 1913 at Braetongue. Is anyone connected to this ROSS family? Does anyone have information on the children of David and Jeannie? Jeannie MACKAY is part of my line and I am interested in tracing down more information about her and David's family. Aloha, Karen Sutherland-Pahia Kahaluu, Hawaii

Alec, whatever you do, do not throw the album away. (Yes, it's been known to happen). I have had access to a very old leather album with a music box in the back. The photos were taken in the 1800s of my great grandmothers family who hailed from Wales. Some had the address of the photographer on them but no notation as to who they are. I scanned the photos and put them into an album for myself and returned the original back to my Uncle. Recently I was holding a class on preserving photos and one lady was looking through this little album and recognised some of the faces. She has since shown me her photos and they are identical to some I have. Not only have I found a relative, but also some names to the faces that I thought I would never ever find. Keep trying, you never know! Cheers Jenny Geraldton West Australia > I can vouch for that. My wife was recently given a very old photo album > from the personal effects of one her Grandmothers. The photo album > covers were made of cloth corduroy with a mirrors on it - very > Edwardian. It turns out that no one knew of it's existence and had been > buried in her attic. It contained many family photographs mostly from > the early part of the last century but also from the late 19th century > since among them were some daguerreotypes. None of the 150 or so photos > had any notations whatsoever and the identities of the people in the > photos died with her. Very sad. > > Cheers - > > Alec >

If you are going to write on the backs of your photographs, please don't use biro. There are special photo labelling pencils to use that are a very soft lead and do not indent or harm your photos. Ink has been known to leak through and destroy the very faces we have tried to preserve. I'm a Creative Memories consultant here in Western Australia and I hold classes and workshops on teaching people how to preserve their precious memories. I'm sure there are consultants out there in the UK and elsewhere who would be only too willing to teach you too. Kind regards Jenny MacKay Geraldton West Australia ---------------- > A lesson here for today! We should all ensure we do write on the back of > photographs when sending them to friends and relatives. > I also have photographs of family weddings etc where I can only recognise my > own immediate family, granny, etc. I often look at these trying to guess who > is who. > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk >

Oops! I didn't realise it was English only! My English ancestors are few and far between, but nobody has shown me the door so far. Not much family history as we know it, either, mostly history of the family in 2nd half of 19thc., but it's early days... I think it gives you a few points, but it's definitely pre-degree and has no exam, just assignments. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 7:43 AM Subject: RE: [Sut] List > No but full of envy - often thought about this but fear that English family > history being so very different from Scottish would put me off. > Wish you lots of luck with it. > Keep us in touch with how you are doing. Is it a degree course or at least > a certificate course? > > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sara Thomas [mailto:Sethomas@btinternet.com] > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 12:11 AM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [Sut] List > > Into my second week of the Open University course: Start Writing > Family History. So far, it seems to be: Start Writing the History of > 'The Family'! Tutor is a self-confessed (straight) historian rather > than a family historian/genealogist. Oh well, you live and learn...... > Anybody else doing this? > > Sara > Cardiff > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Thanks for this I feel sure that any basic advice you can give list members on preserving would be gratefully appreciated .Biros going out window Thanks Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Jenny MacKay <jabol@wn.com.au> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 2:08 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] photographs > If you are going to write on the backs of your photographs, please don't use > biro. There are special photo labelling pencils to use that are a very soft > lead and do not indent or harm your photos. Ink has been known to leak > through and destroy the very faces we have tried to preserve. > > I'm a Creative Memories consultant here in Western Australia and I hold > classes and workshops on teaching people how to preserve their precious > memories. I'm sure there are consultants out there in the UK and elsewhere > who would be only too willing to teach you too. > > Kind regards > > Jenny MacKay > Geraldton West Australia > > ---------------- > > > A lesson here for today! We should all ensure we do write on the back of > > photographs when sending them to friends and relatives. > > I also have photographs of family weddings etc where I can only recognise > my > > own immediate family, granny, etc. I often look at these trying to guess > who > > is who. > > > > Christine > > Northamptonshire, England > > www.highlandhearts.com > > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

I would love to see these as well if they were available Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: <pattiflynn@gmx.net> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:20 AM Subject: [SUT] Kirk Session minutes - Kildonan & Loth? > Does anyone know if there are Kirk Session minutes available for Kildonan > and Loth? And if they DO exist, I would like to know how to access them. > > Thank you. > > Patti Flynn Heimsness > (Always searching for Matheson-Polson from Kildonan or Loth) > > > Just had visit from friend who is professional genealogist, NE Scotland > > her > > speciality. She speaks highly of Kirk Session minutes as a source of > > family > > information--but warns that they are not all available. > > -- > Patti Flynn Heimsness > Yellowstone County, Montana USA > pattiflynn@gmx.net > Sutherland Research > > +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ > Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

That would be the last straw Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: George A Murray <cte44694@nw.centurytel.net> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:41 PM Subject: [SUT] Murray/McKay > Now you wouldn't be implying my kin are hayseeds, would you? B-) > > Uncle Matt married a McKay, but mostly the Murray's married Murray's. > > gam > > At 07:56 PM 5/18/03 +0100, you wrote: > Strange comment is this a question??? There are many people on this list > with knowledge of MURRAY'S & MACKAY'S PERHAPS YOU NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC > needles come out of haystacks much easier if you which one you are looking > for > Iain > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Jandjmretired@aol.com> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 6:34 AM > Subject: [SUT] No replys. > > > > Hello. no one out there knows anything about MURRAY'S & MacKAY'S. > > thanks James Murray. > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

as promised One of the founders Mr Charles Denney of the Alberta Geneaology Society (AGS) created a huge series (many feet of documents!) of papers (The Denney Papers) related to thegeneaology of fur-trading families. The AGS of course has these in their library. Specifically for the Alberta district of the North West Territories censuses were taken in 1881, 1891, 1901 and 1906. There is an ongoing battle in the senate ( third reading atpassage it would go to House of Commons for reading and passage.)regarding access to later censuses. The 1911 census may be available after June 2003 depending upon the outcome of the fight to have access to censuses after 1906. http://www.compusmart.ab.ca/abgensoc/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "M Rosie" <m.rosie@shaw.ca> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Off-topic: CAN & USA dates > The compulsory BMD may vary by province in Canada as well. Certainly the > public access dates vary. It may be more closely tied with the date each > province joined in the Confederation. > > Also the smaller the center especially in the prairie provinces of Alberta, > Saskatchewan and Manitoba (except where the may be ties to the Hudson's Bay > company) and other fur trading companies the less likely census information > would be of real value any earlier than 1881 or 1891. There are some kind of > reports available in Alberta and the NWT that may be of some use but just > now I can't remember what they are called. > > I will try to find out what they are called and let the list know. > > > M. Rosie > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sara Thomas" <Sethomas@btinternet.com> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 9:26 PM > Subject: [SUT] Off-topic: CAN & USA dates > > > > Can some kind lister tell me the dates of the first *significant* > > census in the USA and in Canada, i.e equivalent to Scottish 1841? Also > > the earliest compulsory BMD registration dates in each country, > > equivalent to Scottish 1855? > > Many thanks. > > Sara > > Cardiff, Wales > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > To check out previous messages > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Christine Stokes wrote: >A lesson here for today! We should all ensure we do write on the back of >photographs when sending them to friends and relatives. >I also have photographs of family weddings etc where I can only recognise my >own immediate family, granny, etc. I often look at these trying to guess who >is who. > Christine - I can vouch for that. My wife was recently given a very old photo album from the personal effects of one her Grandmothers. The photo album covers were made of cloth corduroy with a mirrors on it - very Edwardian. It turns out that no one knew of it's existence and had been buried in her attic. It contained many family photographs mostly from the early part of the last century but also from the late 19th century since among them were some daguerreotypes. None of the 150 or so photos had any notations whatsoever and the identities of the people in the photos died with her. Very sad. Cheers - Alec

No but full of envy - often thought about this but fear that English family history being so very different from Scottish would put me off. Wish you lots of luck with it. Keep us in touch with how you are doing. Is it a degree course or at least a certificate course? Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:Sethomas@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 12:11 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [Sut] List Into my second week of the Open University course: Start Writing Family History. So far, it seems to be: Start Writing the History of 'The Family'! Tutor is a self-confessed (straight) historian rather than a family historian/genealogist. Oh well, you live and learn...... Anybody else doing this? Sara Cardiff ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003

This came from the Ontario, Canada mailing list and since the names seemed familiar, [which I realize could be said for any area of Scotland] I thought I'd post it here in hopes it helps shed some light for someone. #011190-74 (York Co) Jarvis ROBSON, 35, England, Whitchurch, b, farmer, s/o Francis & Mary Ann ROBSON, married Elizabeth MANSON, 28, Scotland, Toronto, s, d/o Donald & Barbara S. MANSON, witn: John MANSON, Matilda HUGHY, married 3 February 1874, Richard Knills, Stouffville, Whitchurch Twp. Karen Sutherland-Pahia Kahaluu, Hawaii

Kirk Session records of the Church of Scotland do exist for some parishes but these are held mainly by the Scottish Record Office in Edinburgh. I am not sure if there is a copy of the Kildonan and Loth ones in the local area. Anyone local answer this? Many of us would be interested. The only Kirk Session records I have read are Rogart Free Church and they are hard work! Fun also as all the fornications and illigitimates get a mention - real serious crime! Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: pattiflynn@gmx.net [mailto:pattiflynn@gmx.net] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 3:21 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Kirk Session minutes - Kildonan & Loth? Does anyone know if there are Kirk Session minutes available for Kildonan and Loth? And if they DO exist, I would like to know how to access them. Thank you. Patti Flynn Heimsness (Always searching for Matheson-Polson from Kildonan or Loth) > Just had visit from friend who is professional genealogist, NE Scotland > her > speciality. She speaks highly of Kirk Session minutes as a source of > family > information--but warns that they are not all available. -- Patti Flynn Heimsness Yellowstone County, Montana USA pattiflynn@gmx.net Sutherland Research +++ GMX - Mail, Messaging & more http://www.gmx.net +++ Bitte lächeln! Fotogalerie online mit GMX ohne eigene Homepage! ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003

A lesson here for today! We should all ensure we do write on the back of photographs when sending them to friends and relatives. I also have photographs of family weddings etc where I can only recognise my own immediate family, granny, etc. I often look at these trying to guess who is who. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: Iain Sutherland [mailto:iain_sutherland@totalise.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 8:38 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] photographs It has always saddened me that so many photos have no names on the back or front for that matter. Yesterday I had 2 successes on this front I had a letter from my Grandmothers cousin ( granny died in 1945) and this Lady identified My Great Grannies Photo ! also a photo which just said " from me " 1914 I have a similar photo with the same lady named. This makes me feel that I must get as many of my elderly relatives as possible to look at photos and pass names on you can't ask them when they are gone! If any body else on the List is looking for Relatives of the Reids who lived at Crakaig I may now have some photos Iain Membership Secretary POSH Preserving Our Sutherland Heritage A Resident of Keighley West Yorkshire www.sutherlandheritage.com member's interests in Sutherland http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.html ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003

Hi It may surprise you to know that my Murrays mostly married Mackays! Having specialised in Murray Families in Sutherland research for very many years I have gathered an amazing amount of information on most families named Murray from the county. There are a number of Murrays married to Murrays but they did marry into the Mackays, Mackenzies, Gordons etc. My own Murrays come from the Golspie and Rogart area - where are yours from? Be fun if we both had the same ancestors! Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: George A Murray [mailto:cte44694@nw.centurytel.net] Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 11:41 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Murray/McKay Now you wouldn't be implying my kin are hayseeds, would you? B-) Uncle Matt married a McKay, but mostly the Murray's married Murray's. gam At 07:56 PM 5/18/03 +0100, you wrote: Strange comment is this a question??? There are many people on this list with knowledge of MURRAY'S & MACKAY'S PERHAPS YOU NEED TO BE MORE SPECIFIC needles come out of haystacks much easier if you which one you are looking for Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: <Jandjmretired@aol.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2003 6:34 AM Subject: [SUT] No replys. > Hello. no one out there knows anything about MURRAY'S & MacKAY'S. > thanks James Murray. > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003