Yes, but no need to write it like antidisestablishmentarianism Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: <claireatkinson@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions So macuilammacheorishmacneil would be "son of william, son of George, son of Neil"? Claire >-- Original Message -- >From: "Sara Thomas" <Sethomas> >Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:42:35 +0100 >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > > >It's the genitive (possessive) of 'George': Seòras - (pron. 'shore - us') is the subject or direct object form Sheòrais - (pron 'hyore - ish') is the genitive - 'of George'. D'you remember my lesson on Sheumas & Hamish??? Sara ----- Orig >nal Message ----- From: "Ian Morrison" <ianmorrison> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions > Hi Claire: > I'm sorry to say that "Heorish" has me s >umped. Please tell me the date of the entry and whether the person whose event is recorded had any siblings. > > I would say that there is a very high probability that Hugh Macuilammachustin Morrison and John Macuilammachustin are brothers but it >is not a certainty. Islandhall is not a large island and this adds to the probability. If there was one more generation in their patronymics, that would also add to the probability. > > The person who may connect me to this group of people is a Joh > "Macuilammachustianmacachinroy" who married Christian Calder (Donn) Feb 24, 1792 and had a son, Hugh, baptised Jun 19, 1793. She was a widow but it does not state whether it was his second marriage. They had no other children, apparently. In the m >rriage entry he is described as a joiner in Durin but in the baptism entry he is described as a tenent in Achins of Cnocbreac. It is tempting to assume that this John is the same person as your John Macuilammachustin, whose last child with Catharin > Mackay, George, was born in 1787. > > A year or so ago, I tried to construct a family tree for the descendants of Eachan Ruadh Morrison using similar patronymics but ran into the difficulty of apparently conflicting and/or improbable dates. Part >f the difficulty stems from the extended periods over which their children were born; so that you find nephews being older than their uncles, for example. I will try again when the golfing season is over. > > Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > >From: claireatkinson@tiscali.co.uk > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:37 PM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions > > Hi Ian > > Thanks for the help. > > I've another one which I would like some help in trans >ating! > > Its macuilammacheorishmacneil. > > I can guess that its: son of William, son of "Heorish" son of Neil, but > what is "Heorish"? > > Also, if I have found entries in the Durness Parish Registers for Hugh Morison(alias > Macuillammac >ustin), would it be certain that he was the brother of John > Morison (alias Macuillammachustin)? In this case they both came from Islandhall. > > Thanks again > > Claire > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous m >ssages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.an >estry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Seumas (pron. shay -mus) is the nominative and accusative Sheumais (pron. hay -mish) is the genitive and vocative Tha Seumas an seo (pron. show) - James is here (nom) Chunnaic mi Seumas an-dè - I saw James yesterday (acc) Cat Sheumais - (kaht haymish) James's cat (gen) Ciamar a tha thu, a' Sheumais? (kaymer a ha oo, a haymish?) How are you, James? (voc) Can we leave what happens after a preposition till another time?!! Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Morrison" <ianmorrison@msn.com> To: "Sara Thomas" <sethomas@btinternet.com>; "Sutherland-List" <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions I'm sorry, Sara, but I don't. Just what is the genitive of James? It might come in handy. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:47 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions It's the genitive (possessive) of 'George': Seòras - (pron. 'shore - us') is the subject or direct object form Sheòrais - (pron 'hyore - ish') is the genitive - 'of George'. D'you remember my lesson on Sheumas & Hamish??? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Morrison" <ianmorrison@msn.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions > Hi Claire: > I'm sorry to say that "Heorish" has me stumped. Please tell me the date of the entry and whether the person whose event is recorded had any siblings. >

on checking the photocopy again I can see that Sara is correct !

So macuilammacheorishmacneil would be "son of william, son of George, son of Neil"? Claire >-- Original Message -- >From: "Sara Thomas" <Sethomas> >Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions >Date: Wed, 28 May 2003 19:42:35 +0100 >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > > >It's the genitive (possessive) of 'George': Seòras - (pron. 'shore - us') is the subject or direct object form Sheòrais - (pron 'hyore - ish') is the genitive - 'of George'. D'you remember my lesson on Sheumas & Hamish??? Sara ----- Orig >nal Message ----- From: "Ian Morrison" <ianmorrison> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions > Hi Claire: > I'm sorry to say that "Heorish" has me s >umped. Please tell me the date of the entry and whether the person whose event is recorded had any siblings. > > I would say that there is a very high probability that Hugh Macuilammachustin Morrison and John Macuilammachustin are brothers but it >is not a certainty. Islandhall is not a large island and this adds to the probability. If there was one more generation in their patronymics, that would also add to the probability. > > The person who may connect me to this group of people is a Joh > "Macuilammachustianmacachinroy" who married Christian Calder (Donn) Feb 24, 1792 and had a son, Hugh, baptised Jun 19, 1793. She was a widow but it does not state whether it was his second marriage. They had no other children, apparently. In the m >rriage entry he is described as a joiner in Durin but in the baptism entry he is described as a tenent in Achins of Cnocbreac. It is tempting to assume that this John is the same person as your John Macuilammachustin, whose last child with Catharin > Mackay, George, was born in 1787. > > A year or so ago, I tried to construct a family tree for the descendants of Eachan Ruadh Morrison using similar patronymics but ran into the difficulty of apparently conflicting and/or improbable dates. Part >f the difficulty stems from the extended periods over which their children were born; so that you find nephews being older than their uncles, for example. I will try again when the golfing season is over. > > Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > >From: claireatkinson@tiscali.co.uk > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:37 PM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions > > Hi Ian > > Thanks for the help. > > I've another one which I would like some help in trans >ating! > > Its macuilammacheorishmacneil. > > I can guess that its: son of William, son of "Heorish" son of Neil, but > what is "Heorish"? > > Also, if I have found entries in the Durness Parish Registers for Hugh Morison(alias > Macuillammac >ustin), would it be certain that he was the brother of John > Morison (alias Macuillammachustin)? In this case they both came from Islandhall. > > Thanks again > > Claire > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous m >ssages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.an >estry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

It's the genitive (possessive) of 'George': Seòras - (pron. 'shore - us') is the subject or direct object form Sheòrais - (pron 'hyore - ish') is the genitive - 'of George'. D'you remember my lesson on Sheumas & Hamish??? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Morrison" <ianmorrison@msn.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions > Hi Claire: > I'm sorry to say that "Heorish" has me stumped. Please tell me the date of the entry and whether the person whose event is recorded had any siblings. > > I would say that there is a very high probability that Hugh Macuilammachustin Morrison and John Macuilammachustin are brothers but it is not a certainty. Islandhall is not a large island and this adds to the probability. If there was one more generation in their patronymics, that would also add to the probability. > > The person who may connect me to this group of people is a John "Macuilammachustianmacachinroy" who married Christian Calder (Donn) Feb 24, 1792 and had a son, Hugh, baptised Jun 19, 1793. She was a widow but it does not state whether it was his second marriage. They had no other children, apparently. In the marriage entry he is described as a joiner in Durin but in the baptism entry he is described as a tenent in Achins of Cnocbreac. It is tempting to assume that this John is the same person as your John Macuilammachustin, whose last child with Catharine Mackay, George, was born in 1787. > > A year or so ago, I tried to construct a family tree for the descendants of Eachan Ruadh Morrison using similar patronymics but ran into the difficulty of apparently conflicting and/or improbable dates. Part of the difficulty stems from the extended periods over which their children were born; so that you find nephews being older than their uncles, for example. I will try again when the golfing season is over. > > Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: claireatkinson@tiscali.co.uk > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:37 PM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions > > Hi Ian > > Thanks for the help. > > I've another one which I would like some help in translating! > > Its macuilammacheorishmacneil. > > I can guess that its: son of William, son of "Heorish" son of Neil, but > what is "Heorish"? > > Also, if I have found entries in the Durness Parish Registers for Hugh Morison(alias > Macuillammachustin), would it be certain that he was the brother of John > Morison (alias Macuillammachustin)? In this case they both came from Islandhall. > > Thanks again > > Claire > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Hello Christine and all, It is wonderful what you are doing with the graveyards. Will you be looking at the stones at Elphin, Assynt? I am sorry I will miss you as I will be visiting there the week of June 16th. If you do visit Elphin, please look at my GG Grandfather's stone - Murdo McLeod who died 1872. Last time I was there it was starting to lean. His daughter Margaret's stone is also there. She died in 1908. I will be there with my daughter and granddaughter. I look forward to showing them the places their ancestors lived. And having our picture taken with Murdo McLeod's gravestone! Have a wonderful time in Sutherland, as I look forward to having when I go! Marion in Edmonton, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 3:45 PM Subject: [SUT] POSH PHOTOGRAPHY > Hi folks > Have been busy lately hence not appearing on here too often. Enjoying the > current talk on Durness names. Learning a lot. > In the background there has been a lot of POSH photography going on. I want > to say publicly a huge thankyou to Joan in Helmsdale who has just completed > photographing every visible stone in Helmsdale burial ground, transcribing > them all on to paper and drawing maps of how to find them. A huge task and > one which will benefit us all. > There are a number of broken stones there which POSH will look at soon. If > it is possible to mend them they will go on our list of jobs to do. > We will get the transcriptions on to the members area of our web site very > soon. > Edward has just returned from Lochinver, Assynt, where he and his wife have > photographed all the stones - over 200. > As Edward only had a short break in Assynt we are thrilled that he took the > time to do this for us all. > Again these will appear on the web site soon. > Each of our photographers during the past year or two have made note of a > large number of stones which did not appear in the original transcriptions > of Sutherland Graveyards carried out by Cowper & Ross. This makes our > endeavours even more important. > Friday morning I leave for Sutherland. Sheila and I will be there until the > 14th June. We plan on doing our bit also. Iain and Grant are also coming > up to Sutherland while we are there. Angi is also heading for Sutherland > and will be photographing the graveyard at Balnakeil, Durness. Between us > we shall cover a great deal of ground. We also have a meeting at St Callan' > s, Rogart to discuss what POSH can do there to help repair some of the > historical old stones. > We are also barbecuing at Bill's in Brora on the middle Saturday. No doubt > there will be a great deal of POSH talk. > If you have not yet joined POSH then please think about doing so now. With > such incredible support we are doing a first class job of preserving these > historical old graveyards, the final resting places of our own ancestors, > the people who made us - we can continue this work with lots of help, > support and money. > We have lots of new members on here so may be a good time to let them all > know who we are searching for. > I have my laptop with me in Sutherland to read and send emails so please > keep in touch. > > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > email rhemusaig@tiscali.co.uk > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.481 / Virus Database: 277 - Release Date: 5/13/2003 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

I'm sorry, Sara, but I don't. Just what is the genitive of James? It might come in handy. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Sara Thomas Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 2:47 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions It's the genitive (possessive) of 'George': Seòras - (pron. 'shore - us') is the subject or direct object form Sheòrais - (pron 'hyore - ish') is the genitive - 'of George'. D'you remember my lesson on Sheumas & Hamish??? Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Morrison" <ianmorrison@msn.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions > Hi Claire: > I'm sorry to say that "Heorish" has me stumped. Please tell me the date of the entry and whether the person whose event is recorded had any siblings. >

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******************************************************************************************************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ******************************************************************************************************************************************************* 1816 April 12 Inverness Journal to be let newly erected Lime work at L Erriboll on island: quay built -----Original Message----- From: dick murray [mailto:dick.murray@ntlworld.com] Sent: 28 May 2003 14:38 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SUT] Islandhall ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* Hi some of this might help to build a picture. http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/durness/locheriboll/ http://community.webshots.com/album/18493240OTsYAWTULm Apparently not much there other than rocks ,no trees http://www.durness.org/Northern%20Times%20Reports/2003/Northern%20Times% 2020thJanuary2003.htm Yours Aye Dick Murray --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/2003 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 PLEASE NOTE: THE ABOVE MESSAGE WAS RECEIVED FROM THE INTERNET. On entering the GSI, this email was scanned for viruses by the Government Secure Intranet (GSI) virus scanning service supplied exclusively by Cable & Wireless in partnership with MessageLabs. GSI users see http://www.gsi.gov.uk/main/new2002notices.htm for further details. In case of problems, please call your organisational IT helpdesk.

Hi some of this might help to build a picture. http://www.undiscoveredscotland.co.uk/durness/locheriboll/ http://community.webshots.com/album/18493240OTsYAWTULm Apparently not much there other than rocks ,no trees http://www.durness.org/Northern%20Times%20Reports/2003/Northern%20Times% 2020thJanuary2003.htm Yours Aye Dick Murray --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/2003

Hi Claire: I'm sorry to say that "Heorish" has me stumped. Please tell me the date of the entry and whether the person whose event is recorded had any siblings. I would say that there is a very high probability that Hugh Macuilammachustin Morrison and John Macuilammachustin are brothers but it is not a certainty. Islandhall is not a large island and this adds to the probability. If there was one more generation in their patronymics, that would also add to the probability. The person who may connect me to this group of people is a John "Macuilammachustianmacachinroy" who married Christian Calder (Donn) Feb 24, 1792 and had a son, Hugh, baptised Jun 19, 1793. She was a widow but it does not state whether it was his second marriage. They had no other children, apparently. In the marriage entry he is described as a joiner in Durin but in the baptism entry he is described as a tenent in Achins of Cnocbreac. It is tempting to assume that this John is the same person as your John Macuilammachustin, whose last child with Catharine Mackay, George, was born in 1787. A year or so ago, I tried to construct a family tree for the descendants of Eachan Ruadh Morrison using similar patronymics but ran into the difficulty of apparently conflicting and/or improbable dates. Part of the difficulty stems from the extended periods over which their children were born; so that you find nephews being older than their uncles, for example. I will try again when the golfing season is over. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: claireatkinson@tiscali.co.uk Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 1:37 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions Hi Ian Thanks for the help. I've another one which I would like some help in translating! Its macuilammacheorishmacneil. I can guess that its: son of William, son of "Heorish" son of Neil, but what is "Heorish"? Also, if I have found entries in the Durness Parish Registers for Hugh Morison(alias Macuillammachustin), would it be certain that he was the brother of John Morison (alias Macuillammachustin)? In this case they both came from Islandhall. Thanks again Claire

Hello List! Thanks to everyone who has been giving me help recently. This is a long shot, but does anyone know if a history of Islandhall (Eilean Choraidh) has been written? Or perhaps someone on the list has done research about it? Claire Atkinson

Hi Ian Thanks for the help. I've another one which I would like some help in translating! Its macuilammacheorishmacneil. I can guess that its: son of William, son of "Heorish" son of Neil, but what is "Heorish"? Also, if I have found entries in the Durness Parish Registers for Hugh Morison(alias Macuillammachustin), would it be certain that he was the brother of John Morison (alias Macuillammachustin)? In this case they both came from Islandhall. Thanks again Claire >-- Original Message -- >From: "Ian Morrison" <ianmorrison> >To: "Claire Atkinson" <claireatkinson>, > "Sutherland-List" <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L> >Subject: Re: [SUT] Naming conventions >Date: Tue, 27 May 2003 06:46:24 -0400 > > >Hi Claire: These particular aliases are known as patronymics. They name up to three (infrequently more) generations of male ancestors [sorry ladies]. In the Durness OPR, the (Gaelic) aliases are recorded phonetically by the ministers, wh >se native tongue was not Gaelic. They are most often mis-spelled and are not always consistent from one record to the next. "Nin" does mean daughter of [ in the Durness OPR at least, the usual being "nic"]. Some times the patronymic is written as on > word; sometimes separately. "Mac" [ son of son] is lenited/aspirated in the genitive case and becomes "mhic" pronounced roughly as 'vic' and usually shortened in the second iteration to 'ic'. The gaelic name itself is also aspirated in the genitive ca >e, often by inserting an "i" at the first vowel. This is according to my very limited understanding of Gaelic. Consequently, the aliases are sometimes difficult to decipher but I should be glad to try to do so for any in the Durness OPR, since I hav > worked on many of them already. Katharine Mackay was: daughter of Donald ( who was) the son of Hugh. John Morrison was: son of William, son of Hugh. His son, William, was, of course: son of John, son of William, son of Hugh, and Ann was: daughte > of John, son of William, son of Hugh. BTW, Uilleam macUisdean Morrison may have been the grandson of Eachan ruadh Morrison( Achinroy in the OPR) meaning Red Hector. There are numerous descendants of this man in the register, including my own ancest >rs. Allowing an average of 30 years per generation, I estimate he lived in the late 17th century to early 18th. Ian, in Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Claire Atkinson Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:52 AM To: SCT-SUTHER >AND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Naming conventions Hello List! Following on from some research into Katharine Mackay (I just sent an e-mail about that) I have some questions about naming conventions in Gaelic, and I was wondering if anyone >on the list might know the answers. Katharine Mackay was also known as nin Dholicustian. Does nin mean anything? Maybe "daughter of"? Katharine married John Morison, who was also known as Macuillam Machustan (which I have in other places as Macu >lleam Machustain and Macuileammachustian). When their son William got married, he had an alias of MacEanmacuilammachustian. When their daughter Ann got married, she had an alias of Nin Eanmacuilammachustian. Each seema to have gained an "Ean" >and a "mac" from their father's gaelic name (although in a separate order). I've always thought that "Mac" meant "son of". What does "Ean" mean? Is there a convention for adding bits to a gaelic name when giving names to offspring? Thanks Cl >ire ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.c >m/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Claire: I'm fairly sure that "Rispin" should be Rispond, which is not far from Islandhall (Eilan Choraidh), and is/was a fishing station on the North Sea coast where the road turns south to go around Loch Eriboll, a sea Loch. I also think that , because of the same patronymics, Janet was from the same family. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Claire Atkinson Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:52 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] John Morison, Islandhall, Durness 1766 marriage and offspring 24/03/1780 Janet Morison is baptised in Rispin. (The location of this bothers me. Is Rispin near Islandhall?)

Hello List! Following on from some research into Katharine Mackay (I just sent an e-mail about that) I have some questions about naming conventions in Gaelic, and I was wondering if anyone on the list might know the answers. Katharine Mackay was also known as nin Dholicustian. Does nin mean anything? Maybe "daughter of"? Katharine married John Morison, who was also known as Macuillam Machustan (which I have in other places as Macuilleam Machustain and Macuileammachustian). When their son William got married, he had an alias of MacEanmacuilammachustian. When their daughter Ann got married, she had an alias of Nin Eanmacuilammachustian. Each seema to have gained an "Ean" and a "mac" from their father's gaelic name (although in a separate order). I've always thought that "Mac" meant "son of". What does "Ean" mean? Is there a convention for adding bits to a gaelic name when giving names to offspring? Thanks Claire

Hello list! Can anyone tell me where Islandhall is? Its in the parish of Durness, and is also known as Island a Choarie. Thanks Claire

Hello List! This message continues on from a recent posting by Eileen Vasa who is trying to confirm that Donald Munro (born Durness 1805) was the son of Alexander Munro (tailor) and Katharine Morison. If this link is proven then Eileen and I will be 6th cousins once removed! I have been doing some research over the weekend into Katharine Morison, who was the daughter of John Morison of Islandhall. (I used ancestry.co.uk). This is what I found out:- 17/12/1766 John Morison in Islandhall married Katharine Mackay in Portchamil. THEIR OFFSPRING 29/04/1770 William is baptised in Islandhall. 13/10/1772 Ann is baptised in Islandhall. 18/12/1775 Twins Donald and Barbara are baptised in Islandhall. 18/12/1777 Twins George and Margaret are baptised in Island a choarie (alias Islandhall). 24/03/1780 Janet Morison is baptised in Rispin. (The location of this bothers me. Is Rispin near Islandhall?) 04/08/1782 Mary Morison is baptised in Islandhall. 17/01/1785 Catherine Morison is baptised in Islandhall. 25/04/1787 George Morison is baptised in Islandhall. This is by no means an exhaustive list of John's children. When his daughter Ann (born 13/10/1772) gets married, she is recorded as his sixth daughter. John only marreid Katharine Mackay in 1766, so does this mean he was married to someone else before Katharine? I also have the marriage details and some of their respective offspring for 2 of John's daughters. Here are the details:- Ann Morison (born 13/10/1772 Islandhall) married Kenneth Macleod, a tenent and fisher of Saingobeg, on 19/02/1793. On 14/02/1794 they had a son John at Saingobeg. On 27/09/1795 they had a daughter Mary Ann. (At this time Kenneth was a Private in Reay Fencible Highlanders). On 21/10/1805 they had twins James and Ann. On 15/02/1801 they had a son George. On 23/02/1803 they had a son Kenneth. Barbara Morison (born 18/12/1775 Islandhall) married Alexander Mackay (alias macuilammacheorishmanneil) of Saingobeg on 15/01/1795. On 23/04/1804 they had a son John. (At this time Alexander was a Sergt in the 2nd batt Sutherland Volunteers). On 25/07/1806 they had a son Robert at Saingo. (At this time Alexander was a drill sergt, volunteer). I would be interested to hear from anyone who also has these people in their family.

Hi Claire: Eilan Choraidh (Island Hall) is in Loch Eriboll, opposite Laid Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Claire Atkinson Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:52 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Where is Islandhall? Hello list! Can anyone tell me where Islandhall is? Its in the parish of Durness, and is also known as Island a Choarie. Thanks Claire ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi Claire: These particular aliases are known as patronymics. They name up to three (infrequently more) generations of male ancestors [sorry ladies]. In the Durness OPR, the (Gaelic) aliases are recorded phonetically by the ministers, whose native tongue was not Gaelic. They are most often mis-spelled and are not always consistent from one record to the next. "Nin" does mean daughter of [ in the Durness OPR at least, the usual being "nic"]. Some times the patronymic is written as one word; sometimes separately. "Mac" [ son of son] is lenited/aspirated in the genitive case and becomes "mhic" pronounced roughly as 'vic' and usually shortened in the second iteration to 'ic'. The gaelic name itself is also aspirated in the genitive case, often by inserting an "i" at the first vowel. This is according to my very limited understanding of Gaelic. Consequently, the aliases are sometimes difficult to decipher but I should be glad to try to do so for any in the Durness OPR, since I have worked on many of them already. Katharine Mackay was: daughter of Donald ( who was) the son of Hugh. John Morrison was: son of William, son of Hugh. His son, William, was, of course: son of John, son of William, son of Hugh, and Ann was: daughter of John, son of William, son of Hugh. BTW, Uilleam macUisdean Morrison may have been the grandson of Eachan ruadh Morrison( Achinroy in the OPR) meaning Red Hector. There are numerous descendants of this man in the register, including my own ancestors. Allowing an average of 30 years per generation, I estimate he lived in the late 17th century to early 18th. Ian, in Ontario, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: Claire Atkinson Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 5:52 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUT] Naming conventions Hello List! Following on from some research into Katharine Mackay (I just sent an e-mail about that) I have some questions about naming conventions in Gaelic, and I was wondering if anyone on the list might know the answers. Katharine Mackay was also known as nin Dholicustian. Does nin mean anything? Maybe "daughter of"? Katharine married John Morison, who was also known as Macuillam Machustan (which I have in other places as Macuilleam Machustain and Macuileammachustian). When their son William got married, he had an alias of MacEanmacuilammachustian. When their daughter Ann got married, she had an alias of Nin Eanmacuilammachustian. Each seema to have gained an "Ean" and a "mac" from their father's gaelic name (although in a separate order). I've always thought that "Mac" meant "son of". What does "Ean" mean? Is there a convention for adding bits to a gaelic name when giving names to offspring? Thanks Claire ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi list, I have recently come across some new information regarding the family SUTHERLAND that was cleared to the Doll from the Deuchary area and was known by that name hence. Catherine SUTHERLAND"Deuchary" married John SUTHERLAND"Colin" of Fannich, Doll, and moved to Canada where they bore nine children.I have been told the following are her siblings.We are not totally sure about their parents' names. 1. James SUTHERLAND sp: Henrietta? ? |-2. Catherine SUTHERLAND (b.11 Apr 1861-(Deuchary's)Clyne,Sutherland,Scotland d.30 Dec 1946-Listowel,Ontario,Canada) | sp: John SUTHERLAND (b.27 Aug 1858-Doll,Brora,Sutherland,Scotland m.26 Jul 1884 d.28 Jul 1912-Argyle,Eldon Township,Victoria County,Ontario, Canada) | |-3. 9children SUTHERLAND (b.-Thorah Township,Ontario Co,. Ontario,Canada.)lots on these folks! |-2. Janet SUTHERLAND | |-3. Johnnie SUTHERLAND(MCBEATH)(d.WW1) | sp: Mr. LAWRENCE (b.Of Hawrick) |-3. Girl LAWRENCE | +-3. Maggie LAWRENCE (d.Aft 1981) |-2. Johan(ne) SUTHERLAND | sp: Willie MCBEATH (b.Of Brora) | +-3. Johnnie MCBEATH (adopted by aunt)(d.WW1) (*Already Printed*) |-2. Elspeth SUTHERLAND-could be mother of three boys-Donald and ? SUTHERLAND(to Ontario early 1900's?), and ? GUNN-It is said she went to America or Australia and then lost touch. +-2. George SUTHERLAND sp: Margaret URQUHART (b.Of Rosehall) |-3. Louise SUTHERLAND (b.Twin) |-3. Johan?(Joey) SUTHERLAND (b.Twin) +-3. Jessie Ann SUTHERLAND-a teacher I have been told that the SUTHERLAND"Doughery" lived in the Doll in the house that Hugh MURRAY, a veteran of the Napoleonic wars with the Argyll and Sutherland Highlanders,had built in 1851. Sound familiar??Does anyone have more to add?? Thanks in advance, ------------------------------------------------------ ===== Eileen Jefferies Bobcaygeon, Ontario, Canada ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca