Dear Sheila, I'm very happy to find someone searching this family too. My husband Alex is the descendant and I am the family history searcher. I have limited information but what I did find in the L.D.S records is the following: 1. I was not sure that the 'Nelly' Sutherland who married Alexander Matheson was also called 'Helen'. If so--this is great for now I have their marriage date! 2. The Alexander born to them on 3rd Sept 1819 must have died young because they had another son named Alexander--born 0n May 25th 1831 who is the g.grandfather of my husband. This Alexander married Elizabeth 'Betsy' McKay Oct 29th, 1872 and they had 2 daughters and a son-Alexander David James. Alexander D.J. married Elizabeth Fraser McBeath on April 25th, 1902. They had 8 children--the 3rd who is Isabella McKay Matheson--mother of my husband Alex. Back to Alexander and Helen Matheson-- I have their children listed as-- 1. Alexander (Sept 3, 1819) died 2..John (March 1823) m.Margaret McKay 3. Marion (abt 1829) m Thomas McBeath 4. Alexander (May 25, 1831) m Elizabeth McKay 5. James (abt 1832) 6. Helen (June 30, 1833) m Angus Fraser Murray 7. Mary (abt 1837) m Colin Grant 8. David (Feb 28, 1838) not married 9. Katherine (abt 1840) m. Donald Ross 10.Jessie (abt 1843) not married 11. George (abt 1846) m Isabella Murray I would very much appreciate help in sorting all these people out. Thanks Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <SheilaMMackay@aol.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Research Canada > Hi Evelyn, > > I have a lot of information on the family of Alexander Matheson and Helen > Sutherland. They lived at Clashnagrave in Dornoch and had twelve children. I > was researching this family last year for a lady who lives in Nova Scotia and > is descended from Mary Matheson, dau. of Alexander and Helen. > > Alexander was born circa 1796, Dornoch to Alexander Matheson and Marion > Murray. He died on 11th December, 1886. He was a carpenter. > Helen or Nelly Sutherland was born 5th January 1800 Dornoch to John > Sutherland and Mary Ross. She died on 16th February, 1877. Alexander and > Helen married at Dornoch on 19th December, 1818. > > I have managed to find out about 9 of their children. I think the oldest son, > Alexander born 3rd September 1819 probably died young and I have so far found > out nothing about David born 27th Feb. 1838 or Ann born 8th June, 1840. > > Are you descended from this family? Could you let me know what you already > know about them and then I can send you any info. which you do not have. I > also have cousins who are descended from these Mathesons. > > Look forward to hearing from you, > Sheila Mackay(Edinburgh) > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Hello Kathleen Thanks for the info on Isabel. I will update my references. I would love to read the details of the Last Will and Testament. They tell us so much about life then. Margaret Baillie spent a lot of time trudging through Little Rogart and the old church records trying to find further information on Alexander Murray a few years back. I have also searched, searched and searched again but we find no more. As Alexander goes back to 1738 the chances of finding further information is now becoming slender. But we keep on looking! Christine NEW web site address www.highlandhearts.com Mailing list for Sutherland, Scotland subscribe to SCT-SUTHERLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Paul and Kaye Lister [mailto:plister@nbnet.nb.ca] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2001 1:29 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Alexander Murray & Margaret McIntosh Christine: Further to your informative message regarding Alexander Murray (1738-1825) and Margaret McIntosh, I have the following children listed: Christina "Christy" Murray John Murray William ("Billy Sheep") Murray Margaret Murray Donald ("Donald Lassie") Murray Alexander Murray Isabel Murray I noticed your listing of the children did not include Isabel. I discovered her name in Alexander's Last Will and Testament, located at the Registry of Deeds Office, Water Street, Pictou, Nova Scotia. Part of the Will follows: Last Will and Testament of Alexander Murray, late of Rogers Hill Filed April 23rd, 1825 Proved, Approved and Probate __ 21st. Nov. 1825, Reg'd Same day in No. 2 fol....................................To my daughter Christian married to William McIntosh I bequeath the sum of Ten Shillings, To my Daughter Isabel Murray I likewise bequeath the sum of five pounds................... If you (or any researchers) are interested in the remaining portions of the Will or Estate, just ask and I would be pleased to send them on. Kathleen plister@nbnet.nb.ca ============================== 9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

For all those researching families from Rogart to Nova Scotia - have you visited Glen Matheson's site? It is good. http://www.genealogynet.com/resident/gmatheson/index.html Christine NEW web site address www.highlandhearts.com Mailing list for Sutherland, Scotland subscribe to SCT-SUTHERLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Tom Murray [mailto:murray@boreal.org] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 11:07 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Murray Family of Rogart I am interested in all information I can find regarding the family of Alexander Murray [1738-1825] married to Margaret McIntosh, who was born in Rogart and settled in Scotsburn, Nova Scotia in 1800. I am most interested in information about the Murray family prior to leaving Rogart. The information I have of the Murray family begins with their arrival in Scotsburn. I am willing to share what I do have with anyone looking for Murray family information after their arrival in Nova Scotia. I have been to the cemeteries in Scotsburn and West Branch, where Alexander Murray and many of his descendants are buried, and I have a clear family tree for his descendants leading to Minnesota. Tom Murray murray@boreal.org ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

Hi List One of the problems with being a list manager is knowing what to do when I receive notes about threatened virus attacks on our computers. I have received one this morning which I feel I should tell you about but equally I know that sending out virus warnings to hundreds of people is a good way to spread one. As you know virus normally travels in attachments and as this list (and all Rootsweb lists) do not allow attachments you should always feel safe using it. I am therefore not going to send out every little alert which is passed to me as quite often they are not for real. The current virus is named Budweiser so look out for it. If anything arrives on your computer with that name then dump it. At the bottom of this message (and all my messages) you should see a note certifying that my emails are Virus Free. For anyone who does not have a good reliable virus checker on their system I strongly advise you visit the grisoft web site and take advantage of their absolutely free system. Believe me it works. If anyone feels that I should be passing on every alert please let me know. This is a situation where I am very unsure of what to do. Christine NEW web site address www.highlandhearts.com Mailing list for Sutherland, Scotland subscribe to SCT-SUTHERLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

Kathleen Is this any help? Have the names of two further researchers on this family if you wish more information. Christine 6-112/1 WILLIAM MURRAY married CATHERINE ROSS [1770-24/4/1873] [1787-8/7/1864] William was born at Little Rogart, son of Alexander Murray and Margaret McIntosh - see 1-100/1 (OPR). He emigrated to Nova Scotia with his parents in August 1800. William became known in Nova Scotia as "Billy Sheep" due to his habit of gifting newly weds at West Branch River John, where the family settled, with a sheep. Billy lived to be 103 years old. He and Catherine had eleven children, eight sons and three daughters, born in Canada. One of those was WILLIAM, born 1817 Nova Scotia [died 1902 Nova Scotia]. Young William married in 1849 Agnes Rae [1815-1888], who was born in Scotland daughter of William Rae of Dumfries. They had a son: WILLIAM [1853-1912] - married Margaret McKenzie in 1883 - had a son THOMAS [1889-1965] who married Georgia Mackay in Pictou. Thomas and Georgia had a daughter, MARGARET ELIZABETH MURRAY, born 1916 in Canada. 1-100/1 ALEXANDER MURRAY married MARGARET McINTOSH [1738-11/4/1825] Alexander was born in Rogart. He and Margaret had the following children born at Little Rogart: ALEXANDER, born circa 1758 [married Margaret Murray - see 1-106/1]; CHRISTY, born 1760 [died 27 June 1863] [married William McIntosh - see 2-084/1]; WILLIAM, born 1770 [died 24/4/1873] [married Catherine Ross - see 6-112/1]; JOHN, born 25 May 1771 [died 29 April 1866] [married Ann Sutherland - see 4-148] (OPR); MARGARET, born circa 1781 [died 1887] [married Andrew Munro - see 5-029/1]; DONALD, born 1785 [died 9 June 1873] [married Catharine Douglas - see 2-118]. Alexander and Margaret left Sutherland with their family around 1800 and settled in Nova Scotia. A book "The Scotsburn Congregation - Pictou County" by Reverend John Murray, gives us the following information on Alexander: "It was in the year 1800 that the settlement of Scotsburn, by Gaelic speaking people from the Highlands of Scotland, really began. The writer's great grandfather was the first of these Highlanders to arrive in Scotsburn. His name was Alexander Murray. He reached here, with his wife and part of his family, in the month of August, 1800". (editor's note: I believe that the Alexander Murray shown on the 1745 Fencibles List [see 1-010A] may be the father of this Alexander Murray. He appears to be the only Alexander Murray of the correct age in the parish of Rogart at that time. The naming pattern is correct. The young Alexander naming his first born son for his father. The elder Alexander appears to have a brother named John [see 1-010A] - the younger Alexander named a son John.) This family is currently being researched by Margaret Baillie [born 1916] of Canada, great, great, great granddaughter of Alexander and Margaret. Tom Murray in the U.S.A. is a great-great-great-great grandson of Alexander and Margaret. He is currently researching this family. Tom's great, great grandfather, Duncan Campbell Murray, emigrated from Nova Scotia to Minnesota in the 1860s and later homesteaded on the prairies of western Minnesota in 1873. He froze to death in a blizzard shortly after arriving. NEW web site address www.highlandhearts.com Mailing list for Sutherland, Scotland subscribe to SCT-SUTHERLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Paul and Kaye Lister [mailto:plister@nbnet.nb.ca] Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2001 7:59 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Catherine Ross Catherine Ross (1787-1864), born in Rogart, Sutherlandshire; married William "Billy Sheep" Murray (ca. 1770-1873); Catherine and William lived in West Branch, Pictou County, Nova Scotia; they had 8 sons and 3 daughters. Catherine and William are buried in St. John's Cemetery, Scotsburn, Pictou County. Looking for information on Catherine's parents. Kathleen plister@nbnet.nb.ca ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

Christine: Further to your informative message regarding Alexander Murray (1738-1825) and Margaret McIntosh, I have the following children listed: Christina “Christy” Murray John Murray William (“Billy Sheep”) Murray Margaret Murray Donald (“Donald Lassie”) Murray Alexander Murray Isabel Murray I noticed your listing of the children did not include Isabel. I discovered her name in Alexander's Last Will and Testament, located at the Registry of Deeds Office, Water Street, Pictou, Nova Scotia. Part of the Will follows: Last Will and Testament of Alexander Murray, late of Rogers Hill Filed April 23rd, 1825 Proved, Approved and Probate __ 21st. Nov. 1825, Reg’d Same day in No. 2 fol....................................To my daughter Christian married to William McIntosh I bequeath the sum of Ten Shillings, To my Daughter Isabel Murray I likewise bequeath the sum of five pounds................... If you (or any researchers) are interested in the remaining portions of the Will or Estate, just ask and I would be pleased to send them on. Kathleen plister@nbnet.nb.ca

Hi listers Could anyone tell me how I could find out the details of a relatives (Thomas MCBEATH) army record,without having to go to London? I presume he was in one of the Highland regiments, as he lived in Dornoch most of his life. The 1841 census had him in the army The 1851 census had him as a Chelsea Pensioner May I take this opportunity to thank Christine for setting up this list. I have managed to find out more information than I can cope with in a very short space of time! Regards Carole McBeath

Christine: Thank you for the info on Alexander Murray and Margaret McIntosh - some of which is new! I was also very interested in Tom Murray's e-mail which followed closely behind yours. I am still hoping to find info on the parents of Catherine Ross (1787-1864) who married William "Billy Sheep" Murray (ca. 1770-1873). I have been in touch with Margaret Baillie over the past few years and have received valuable info from her. She once lived in Pictou County, NS, as I did, and I remember visiting her as a small child. This site is wonderful and I thank you again for your quick and accurate responses! Kathleen plister@nbnet.nb.ca

Hello to all! If anyone is into James Matheson of Lairg, Isle of Lewis, and Jardine and Matheson Trading Company, I have some interesting personal info on James Matheson, Bart. regards, Cliff of Canada, up in yer Northern Bush, there

Hi Anyone come across this book anywhere? "British Army Pensioners Abroad, 1772 to 1899" by Norman Crowder. I have only just heard about it and it appears that this would be of interest to all on the list. I have no idea when or where it was published. Christine NEW web site address www.highlandhearts.com Mailing list for Sutherland, Scotland subscribe to SCT-SUTHERLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

Hello In the old churchyard at Rogart there is a gravestone which simply states: “Isabella MUNRO, The Lady of Eden, died 1868, stone erected by her friends”. This stone has long intrigued me – anyone know who she is and why she had that title? Would love to find out. Christine NEW web site address www.highlandhearts.com Mailing list for Sutherland, Scotland subscribe to SCT-SUTHERLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

I am interested in all information I can find regarding the family of Alexander Murray [1738-1825] married to Margaret McIntosh, who was born in Rogart and settled in Scotsburn, Nova Scotia in 1800. I am most interested in information about the Murray family prior to leaving Rogart. The information I have of the Murray family begins with their arrival in Scotsburn. I am willing to share what I do have with anyone looking for Murray family information after their arrival in Nova Scotia. I have been to the cemeteries in Scotsburn and West Branch, where Alexander Murray and many of his descendants are buried, and I have a clear family tree for his descendants leading to Minnesota. Tom Murray murray@boreal.org

Catherine Ross (1787-1864), born in Rogart, Sutherlandshire; married William "Billy Sheep" Murray (ca. 1770-1873); Catherine and William lived in West Branch, Pictou County, Nova Scotia; they had 8 sons and 3 daughters. Catherine and William are buried in St. John's Cemetery, Scotsburn, Pictou County. Looking for information on Catherine's parents. Kathleen plister@nbnet.nb.ca

Hi Mary-Ann Do you have a date for this wedding? Christine -----Original Message----- From: Mary-Ann Farr [mailto:maryannf@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 6:30 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Murray Does this have any connections for Murray genealogists David Barbour age 22 residence East Zorra township (near Woodstock, Ontario, Canada) born Scotland, parent Robert Babour married Agnes Murray age 18 residence East Zorra born Scotland, parents William and Margaret Murray. Given that so many of those who emigrated to Canada came from the Sutherland area has anybody lost these people? Mary-Ann Farr Christchurch, New Zealand Researching James/Alex McKay, Dornoch Barbour Ardrossan, Ayrshire ============================== 9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/ --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

Mary If you go to www.rootsweb.com Then click on Message Boards You will find a message board for Ontario. You can then leave a message there and hopefully someone will come back with some advice which will help you. I have used these boards and they are first class. Christine NEW web site address www.highlandhearts.com Mailing list for Sutherland, Scotland subscribe to SCT-SUTHERLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Mary Lee [mailto:Leekid@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 11:37 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Anyone out there in Windsor Ontario please?? Hi lists . Anyone know how I would trace Marriages late 1920 30s in Windsor Ontario help appreciated. between Thomas Abbott and Alma??? They had a daughter called Dorothy living time of his death 1934/5. He died in the Grace Hospital and was buried in Veterans Cem. Ifo as to how to get mar cert>> he committed Bigamy as his wife in N Wales was still alive 1975. Thanks . Mary N Wales ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

Hi Lyndall, Thanks for the information, all things are possible. I only had a small bit of information on this family. But quite suddenly I've acquired hugh amounts of information from another distant cousin looking into the same family with the sources listed as well. Its really wonderful how much I've received from her.We connected through another message board. Darthy >Hello Darthy, > I wonder if the name might once have been COMBE which is >a sept of Clan MacIntosh. The MacThomas Clan was once a sept of the >MacIntosh Clan but now is considered a clan in its own right; it has septs >called MacCOMB, MacCOMBIE and MacCOMIE. > >Just a thought. >Lyndall >Canberra, Oz. >

Mary, To obtain a certificate for a marriage that occurred in Ontario after 1920*, you must contact the Office of the Registrar General in Thunder Bay. Go to the following Ontario government web site for information and to download the appropriate request form. www.ccr.gov.on.ca/mccr/english/forms.htm There is a fee of $22. Cdn. for the long form and, note, you must be an "authorized" person eg. child of the bride or groom or next of kin, assuming bride and groom are both deceased. The Ontario Gov't is sticky about this. *Marriage records prior to 1920 are on microfilm at the Ontario Archives and are available through Family History Centres. Each year, one more year of records is microfilmed and transferred to the Archives from the Registrar General. So you could wait a few years until the records are transferred if you want to bypass the gov't red tape and the fee. Hope this helps, Bev ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Lee <Leekid@btinternet.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2001 4:37 PM Subject: Anyone out there in Windsor Ontario please?? > Hi lists . > Anyone know how I would trace Marriages late 1920 30s in Windsor Ontario help appreciated. > between Thomas Abbott and Alma??? > They had a daughter called Dorothy living time of his death 1934/5. > He died in the Grace Hospital and was buried in Veterans Cem. > Ifo as to how to get mar cert>> he committed Bigamy as his wife in N Wales was still alive 1975. > Thanks . > Mary N Wales > > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Hi Cliff, An Allan P. Gray responded to a query on Sutherland Records on the Sutherland Genweb Project on 4th November, 2000. I don't know if he is the correct Allan Gray but you could try that email address. Also Paul Gray who responded to a query on Grays of Sutherland on 4th November 2000 on the Sutherland Genweb Project has had contact with this Allan Gray previously and may know his email address. Sutherland Genweb Project can be accessed through Christine's website. Hope this is of help, Sheila

I wondered if SKS could tell me if the the township of Creich was in the parish of Creich for purposes of the 1841/51 census? The map I have (which is a bit rough) shows it in Dornoch parish. Judy Meibusch

Hi lists . Anyone know how I would trace Marriages late 1920 30s in Windsor Ontario help appreciated. between Thomas Abbott and Alma??? They had a daughter called Dorothy living time of his death 1934/5. He died in the Grace Hospital and was buried in Veterans Cem. Ifo as to how to get mar cert>> he committed Bigamy as his wife in N Wales was still alive 1975. Thanks . Mary N Wales