Donald, SCT-SUTHERLAND is a mailing list for the county of Sutherland in general and covers all surnames. SUTHERLAND is a mailing list for the surname of Sutherland only. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Donald Massey [mailto:donaldmasseyuk@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 8:41 PM To: Sutherland County Rootsweb; Sutherland Surname Rootsweb Subject: Two Sutherland Lists ? Please tell me what is the difference between: SCT-SUTHERLAND-D@rootsweb.com and SUTHERLAND-D@rootsweb.com Donald Massey --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.231 / Virus Database: 112 - Release Date: 2/12/01

I think Janet was born in Culkein Drumbeg in Assynt. Using estate records and other lists the story appears to be as follows: Neil Morrison is recorded as a tenant in Culkein Drumbeg in 1781. There were Morrisons in that township in 1774 (see my booklet Population Lists of Assynt) Neil becomes a tenant in Nedd in 1809. He dies in about 1813. In February 1814 his widow is recorded as Catharine Graham relict of Niel Morrison. She gives up the tenancy that year when her son-in-law becomes a tenant. Donald Stewart was tenant in Nedd until his death in about 1845 (the last year he is in the rental as a tenant). He is succeeded by his widow Janet Morrison who continues until her death in about 1869. Her son, known as Murdo Stewart, Donald (showing he was the son of Donald) took over until his death on 7 October 1902. His son Hugh Stewart succeeded to the family croft. Donald's son John is recorded as a "boy" in 1830. Another son Alexander is on record in 1834. In 1855 widow Janet Stewart is noted by the estate management as having 2 sons with their families living with her - against estate rules. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: SeaWitched62@aol.com [mailto:SeaWitched62@aol.com] Sent: 05 March 2001 20:01 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-SUT] (no subject) hi wondering if anyone can help me in the 1851 census in nedd i found i found this entry Janet Stewart head widow 60 crofter ...they have her birthplace down as cuthine janet married donald stewart in 1810 in assynt she is the daughter of neil morrison and catherine graham any help would be appreciated thankin u Michele PS... i m wondering where cuthine is .......... ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Hello Malcolm Many thanks for that interesting information. I found Alexander Urquhart on the 1881 census, ( obviously he was retired then as he was 77 but he was also blind - I have been told that the blindness was caused by working in a cold room where they kept the salmon!) but there was no address - it just stated the census place ( Lochbroom, Ross & Cromarty) - I also found his son John who was farming at Farmers House At Square, census place Lochbroom R&C. he had one brother Findlay living with him, another brother David went down to London to live - the fourth son Thomas I am not sure if he went into farming. Obviously I would like to research back as far as I can with the family, but with information like yours it make the family really interesting - again many thanks Regards Margaret

The Rosehall estate contained two townships with the name Altass: Meikle Altass, now known as Altassmore, (meaning big Altass) and Little Altass. There were no Urquharts in Altass in the 1820s and early 1830s. A rental for about 1842 which appears in a Private Act of Parliament of 1847 lists Alexander Urquhart as one of about 6 small tenants in Meikle Altass. Alexander had about 16 acres and paid just over £9 rent, which makes it a fair rather than a small holding. There were no Urquharts there by 1875 (I have not checked the 1871 census). It would be very interesting to know when the family left and where they went to? The reason I ask is that the estate was bought in 1870 by three speculators who proceeded to sell land to the crofters. Some crofters refused and left. (The estate had been sold by Lord Cranstoun to James Matheson of Achany, the man who had made a huge fortune out of the opium trade, in 1844). Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: Emma Young [mailto:Emma@eyoung.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: 02 March 2001 21:31 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SUT - URQUHART/ ROSS Hello to you all I am new on this list, I have just started researching my GGGrandfather Alexander URQUHART b. abt 1804 and his wife Isabella ROSS b. abt 1810 - they had eight children, they lived at a farm called Altas in the Parish of Grieck, Sutherland and that is all I know about them. Also would anyone know if this farm is there? Many thanks for your help Kind regards Margaret ( Bridport, Dorset ) ============================== Search more than 150 million free records at RootsWeb! http://searches.rootsweb.com/

Hi Christine, Here is a source for the book you mentioned: http://www.globalgenealogy.com/books/2181460.htm There a link to information about author Norman Crowder, also. The blurb begins: "This books is intended to serve as an index to the Chelsea regimental pension registers of British Veterans who settled abroad with an army pension." Details are as follows: "351 pgs/index/list of military units/notes on sources/ hardbound, 1995, ISBN 0806314605." It would be helpful to have a description of the contents from someone who has actually seen this book. (Any volunteers out there?) The Public Record Office online has an informative leaflet at: http://www.pro.gov.uk/leaflets/ri2006.htm (Army: Soldiers' Pensions, 1702-1913). The main list of finding aids, entitled "A-Z Index of Leaflets," is at http://www.pro.gov.uk/leaflets/riindex.htm Best wishes, Frances Original message: SCT-SUTHERLAND-D Digest V01 #35 >------------------------------ >X-Message: #6 >Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2001 19:52:12 -0000 >From: "Christine Stokes" <Chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: A book > >Hi >Anyone come across this book anywhere? >"British Army Pensioners Abroad, 1772 to 1899" >by Norman Crowder. >I have only just heard about it and it appears that this would be of >interest to all on the list. >I have no idea when or where it was published. >Christine >

hi wondering if anyone can help me in the 1851 census in nedd i found i found this entry Janet Stewart head widow 60 crofter ...they have her birthplace down as cuthine janet married donald stewart in 1810 in assynt she is the daughter of neil morrison and catherine graham any help would be appreciated thankin u Michele PS... i m wondering where cuthine is ..........

Hello list Unfortunately I have a very sick computer who is going off this afternoon to the computer hospital, Will be back and hopefully on line again in a couple of days (I hope!!) In the meantime there is no administration on this list so please carry on as normal until I am back on line. If there are any problems I will fix them as soon as I return. Many thanks Christine Ps to all those I owe an email I will catch up soon. NEW web site address www.highlandhearts.com Mailing list for Sutherland, Scotland subscribe to SCT-SUTHERLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 17/01/01

www.old-maps.co.ok <http://www.old-maps.co.ok> gets you to the 1st edition of the 6 inch maps - say about 1870 for Sutherland. Points to bear in mind: arrangement of parishes in Reay estate dates from 1720s; coastal part of Loth transferred to Kildonan in 1840s; boundary changes in 1890s removing outlying districts - I seem to recall this affected outlying district of Dornoch; and transfer of parish of Kincardine from Ross and Cromarty to Sutherland following local government re-organisation in 1975. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: Ron McKenzie [mailto:rmck@iprimus.com.au] Sent: 01 March 2001 19:44 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Map of Parish Boundaries Dear List Members, Would anyone know how I can obtain through the Net a map of the Sutherland region which shows details of parish boundaries. Thank you Ron. ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Looking for info on George MUNRO, blacksmith who was born in Scotland, place and date unknown. He married at Pictou, Nova Scotia on 25 Dec 1834, Margaret McKENZIE. Margaret McKenzie was born at Edderton, near Tain, Scotland circa 1808, parents George McKENZIE and Margaret ROSS. Margaret ROSS subsequently married John THOMPSON. Children of George Munro and Margaret McKenzie were Margaret, Ann, John, George Sinclair, Alexander William, Sutherland, and Jane, then possibly a William. George died 04 Feb 1854, possibly Albion Mines, Pictou County, Nova Scotia. George was living at East River, Pictou County at the time of his marriage and birth of the first child, subsequently living at Albion Mines. Parents of George Munro, blacksmith are possibly John and Ann (or Anne, Nancy etc, also possibly Ann Jane or variation) This is based on Scottish naming tradition which runs strongly in this family. Hoping that someone recognizes this family line. Thank you. Jerry Munro

Hello Frances Many thanks for the information you so kindly sent me. Best wishes Margaret

Here is one source: http://www.anesfhs.f9.co.uk/parmaps.htm >------------------------------ >SCT-SUTHERLAND-D Digest Volume 01 : Issue 38 >------------------------------ >X-Message: #1 >Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2001 06:44:14 +1100 >From: "Ron McKenzie" <rmck@iprimus.com.au> >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <009601c0a2ad$059a15c0$ca328aca@mckenzie> >Subject: Map of Parish Boundaries >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > >Dear List Members, > >Would anyone know how I can obtain through the Net a map of the >Sutherland region which shows details of parish boundaries. > >Thank you > >Ron. > >------------------------------

Hi, Could someone please shed some light on Munro of Brebed, is it a croft and where was it located? Who owned it? My grgrgrandfather was John Munro of Brebed. Any help would be lovely Thanks Carolyn

Hello Margaret, It's likely the parish you need for Alexander URQUHART/Isabella ROSS (Altas Farm) is spelled "Creich" rather than "Grieck". Creich does not appear on the list of Sutherland parishes at http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/SUT/index.html but it is to be found in the parish locator: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/parloc ("Church location database") The online search page is http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/parloc/search.html Search for: Creich, SUT - NH640880 Parishes/churches within 5 miles of NH640880 The following entries were found (distances may be approximate): Miles/Place/Dedication/County/Denomination/Founded/Closed/Gridref 5.0 / Edderton / Unknown / Ross_and_Cromarty/Parish / / NH710840 0.0 / Creich / Unknown / Sutherland / Parish / / NH640880 2.6 / Kincardine / Unknown / Ross_and_Cromarty / Parish / / NH600890 Parishes within "10 miles": 11.5 / Kilmuir-Easter /Unknown /Ross_and_Cromarty /Parish / /NH750730 12.3 / Tarbat /Unknown / Ross_and_Cromarty / Parish / / NH770730 9.7 / Tain / Unknown / Ross_and_Cromarty / Parish / /NH780810 5.0 / Edderton / Unknown / Ross_and_Cromarty / Parish / /NH710840 0.0 / Creich / Unknown / Sutherland / Parish / / NH640880 2.6 / Kincardine / Unknown / Ross_and_Cromarty / Parish / /NH600890 9.9 / Dornoch / Unknown / Sutherland / Parish / NH800890 10.8 / Rogart / Unknown / Sutherland / Parish / NC730030 The GENUKI page for all of Scotland is http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct Best wishes for success with your search! Frances Bishop

Hello to you all I am new on this list, I have just started researching my GGGrandfather Alexander URQUHART b. abt 1804 and his wife Isabella ROSS b. abt 1810 - they had eight children, they lived at a farm called Altas in the Parish of Grieck, Sutherland and that is all I know about them. Also would anyone know if this farm is there? Many thanks for your help Kind regards Margaret ( Bridport, Dorset )

Hello Evelyn I have a great deal of information on your family also including a grave stone photograph. No doubt a lot of this may duplicate what Sheila has given you but you may find it useful and I know everyone loves a photograph. Long email on the way. Best wishes Christine NEW web site address www.highlandhearts.com Mailing list for Sutherland, Scotland subscribe to SCT-SUTHERLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: Evelyn Palmer [mailto:evpalmer@home.com] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:06 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Research Canada Dear Sheila, I'm very happy to find someone searching this family too. My husband Alex is the descendant and I am the family history searcher. I have limited information but what I did find in the L.D.S records is the following: 1. I was not sure that the 'Nelly' Sutherland who married Alexander Matheson was also called 'Helen'. If so--this is great for now I have their marriage date! 2. The Alexander born to them on 3rd Sept 1819 must have died young because they had another son named Alexander--born 0n May 25th 1831 who is the g.grandfather of my husband. This Alexander married Elizabeth 'Betsy' McKay Oct 29th, 1872 and they had 2 daughters and a son-Alexander David James. Alexander D.J. married Elizabeth Fraser McBeath on April 25th, 1902. They had 8 children--the 3rd who is Isabella McKay Matheson--mother of my husband Alex. Back to Alexander and Helen Matheson-- I have their children listed as-- 1. Alexander (Sept 3, 1819) died 2..John (March 1823) m.Margaret McKay 3. Marion (abt 1829) m Thomas McBeath 4. Alexander (May 25, 1831) m Elizabeth McKay 5. James (abt 1832) 6. Helen (June 30, 1833) m Angus Fraser Murray 7. Mary (abt 1837) m Colin Grant 8. David (Feb 28, 1838) not married 9. Katherine (abt 1840) m. Donald Ross 10.Jessie (abt 1843) not married 11. George (abt 1846) m Isabella Murray I would very much appreciate help in sorting all these people out. Thanks Evelyn ----- Original Message ----- From: <SheilaMMackay@aol.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:55 PM Subject: Re: Research Canada > Hi Evelyn, > > I have a lot of information on the family of Alexander Matheson and Helen > Sutherland. They lived at Clashnagrave in Dornoch and had twelve children. I > was researching this family last year for a lady who lives in Nova Scotia and > is descended from Mary Matheson, dau. of Alexander and Helen. > > Alexander was born circa 1796, Dornoch to Alexander Matheson and Marion > Murray. He died on 11th December, 1886. He was a carpenter. > Helen or Nelly Sutherland was born 5th January 1800 Dornoch to John > Sutherland and Mary Ross. She died on 16th February, 1877. Alexander and > Helen married at Dornoch on 19th December, 1818. > > I have managed to find out about 9 of their children. I think the oldest son, > Alexander born 3rd September 1819 probably died young and I have so far found > out nothing about David born 27th Feb. 1838 or Ann born 8th June, 1840. > > Are you descended from this family? Could you let me know what you already > know about them and then I can send you any info. which you do not have. I > also have cousins who are descended from these Mathesons. > > Look forward to hearing from you, > Sheila Mackay(Edinburgh) > > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

Hi Evelyn, I am very interested in your line of research having just stumbled across a copy of your book, "McBeath Memories." which I currently have on loan from the owner, Margaret H Murray, in Glasgow. It is the Matheson, Clashnagrave connection that particularly interests myself and Margaret. The focus of our interest is the MURRAY family of Inchure, Rogart. Alexander Murray (1773-13/9/1862) married a Helen MATHESON (21/12/1808-27/3/1858) from Clashnagrave, daughter of Alexander Matheson and Janet Sutherland. They married on 25th Dec.1830. Do you know if there is any connection with your Alexander Matheson of Clashnagrave who married Helen (Nelly) Sutherland in 1818? Am I right in thinking that 'Clashnagrave' is one particular house, rather than the name of a township? ----- Original Message ----- From: Evelyn Palmer <evpalmer@home.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 4:06 AM Subject: Re: Research Canada > Dear Sheila, > I'm very happy to find someone searching this family too. My husband Alex is > the descendant and I am the family history searcher. > I have limited information but what I did find in the L.D.S records is the > following: > 1. I was not sure that the 'Nelly' Sutherland who married Alexander Matheson > was also called 'Helen'. If so--this is great for now I have their marriage > date! > 2. The Alexander born to them on 3rd Sept 1819 must have died young because > they had another son named Alexander--born 0n May 25th 1831 who is the > g.grandfather of my husband. > This Alexander married Elizabeth 'Betsy' McKay Oct 29th, 1872 and they had 2 > daughters and a son-Alexander David James. > Alexander D.J. married Elizabeth Fraser McBeath on April 25th, 1902. They > had 8 children--the 3rd who is Isabella McKay Matheson--mother of my husband > Alex. > Back to Alexander and Helen Matheson-- I have their children listed as-- > 1. Alexander (Sept 3, 1819) died > 2..John (March 1823) m.Margaret McKay > 3. Marion (abt 1829) m Thomas McBeath > 4. Alexander (May 25, 1831) m Elizabeth McKay > 5. James (abt 1832) > 6. Helen (June 30, 1833) m Angus Fraser Murray > 7. Mary (abt 1837) m Colin Grant > 8. David (Feb 28, 1838) not married > 9. Katherine (abt 1840) m. Donald Ross > 10.Jessie (abt 1843) not married > 11. George (abt 1846) m Isabella Murray > I would very much appreciate help in sorting all these people out. Thanks > Evelyn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <SheilaMMackay@aol.com> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 19, 2001 2:55 PM > Subject: Re: Research Canada > > > > Hi Evelyn, > > > > I have a lot of information on the family of Alexander Matheson and Helen > > Sutherland. They lived at Clashnagrave in Dornoch and had twelve children. > I > > was researching this family last year for a lady who lives in Nova Scotia > and > > is descended from Mary Matheson, dau. of Alexander and Helen. > > > > Alexander was born circa 1796, Dornoch to Alexander Matheson and Marion > > Murray. He died on 11th December, 1886. He was a carpenter. > > Helen or Nelly Sutherland was born 5th January 1800 Dornoch to John > > Sutherland and Mary Ross. She died on 16th February, 1877. Alexander and > > Helen married at Dornoch on 19th December, 1818. > > > > I have managed to find out about 9 of their children. I think the oldest > son, > > Alexander born 3rd September 1819 probably died young and I have so far > found > > out nothing about David born 27th Feb. 1838 or Ann born 8th June, 1840. > > > > Are you descended from this family? Could you let me know what you already > > know about them and then I can send you any info. which you do not have. I > > also have cousins who are descended from these Mathesons. > > > > Look forward to hearing from you, > > Sheila Mackay(Edinburgh) > > > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Hi Ron I have an Alexander Calder born circa 1800 where? He married Anne Grant in Dornoch 1827. Around 1832 they left for Zorra. Anne is the daughter of my 3 x great grandparents, Hector Grant and Janet Duff. Do you know anything further about your Marrion? Could she be from the same family as my Alexander? Christine -----Original Message----- From: J. Ronald Patrick [mailto:rpatrick@niagara.com] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2001 3:01 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SUT-CALDER family? Is anyone up on the CALDER family? I have a Marrion 'Mary Ann' CALDER b Evelix, Dornoch, m 21 July 1797 in Dornoch to Alexander ROSS, who was born in Proncy, Dornoch date unkn. Ron ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.228 / Virus Database: 109 - Release Date: 1/17/01

Dear List Members, Would anyone know how I can obtain through the Net a map of the Sutherland region which shows details of parish boundaries. Thank you Ron.

Anyone connect to a Donald ROSS b 18 Oct 1857 in Dornoch somewhere. Lived in Torboll, Sutherland, Scotland. Living at the time of his brother Alexander's funeral in 1921. Ron

Is anyone up on the CALDER family? I have a Marrion 'Mary Ann' CALDER b Evelix, Dornoch, m 21 July 1797 in Dornoch to Alexander ROSS, who was born in Proncy, Dornoch date unkn. Ron