Hi, Everyone, I am taking up Christine's suggestion and explaining my interests. My husband's mother was a Sutherland from Scullomie, near Tongue, and I know a little about the families who lived in the 12 houses there. Also done some work on a relative's forebears from Skerray and Armadale - alas they are almost all Mackays which makes research very difficult. Cheers, Mary mary@cmy.org.uk www.cmy.org.uk

Hello all list members Thought you would like to know that we now have over 150 subscribers on this list. As many of these are recent I thought it would be a good idea to reintroduce ourselves to each other. This list is already becoming known as a fun, succesful and very helpful place to be. Couple of points to make life fair for everyone – when replying to the list (unless it is a private answer) please remember to use your REPLY TO ALL key and not simply reply. This allows everyone to see your answer and keeps conversation flowing. A number of people have commented to me that they never see the answers! We have had a large number of succesful matches on this list – nice for folks to know. For the newcomers, welcome. I look after this list – not brilliantly but do my best. I am a Scot born and bred in Edinburgh and live in England. My father was the first of his family to be born away from the family home in Rogart. My Murray family came from Rhemusaig which is geographically in Rogart but comes under Dornoch parish. My Mackenzies are from Achillie and Torbreck, Rogart; my Mackays from Torbreck, Kinnauld and Achillie, Rogart. I am interested in all families in the Rogart, Dornoch and Golspie areas. I have lots of info on Murrays, Mackays, Mackenzies, Grants, Gordons, Duffs and numerous other names and am happy to do look ups for you. Best wishes Christine chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Hi everyone I have just joined this list in an effort to trace my partner's ancestor. David MACKENZIE b 1838 Rogart. He left Scotland in about 1846 and headed to Australia then about 1849 came to New Zealand. His parents were William (blacksmith) and Elspeth (maiden name probably MACKAY). He was apparently one of ten children but I have only managed to find the following children registered to the above couple on the IGI: Mary chr 1835 Christy chr 1842 Kenneth chr 1840 Does anyone on the list have a connection to this family? Or possibly the 1841 Rogart census for a look up of them? Thank you all for your time. Sincerely Becs, Invercargill, NZ

Hi Everyone, I just joined the list, and I have to Thank Christine for trying to help me. My research involves both Sutherland and Ross and Cromarty, I am looking for the parents of Donald[abt1788] and Thomas[abt 1775] Gibson and Janet McKay[wife of Donald Gibson] and Isobel MacKay[wife of Thomas Gibson] in Sutherland and Munro, Cameron and McKay in Ross and Cromarty. If anyone recognizes these name's please contact me robinvb@home.com Thanks Robin -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, March 17, 2001 3:04 PM Subject: Exciting time on the list >Hello all list members >Thought you would like to know that we now have over 150 subscribers on this >list. >As many of these are recent I thought it would be a good idea to reintroduce >ourselves to each other. >This list is already becoming known as a fun, succesful and very helpful >place to be. >Couple of points to make life fair for everyone – when replying to the list >(unless it is a private answer) please remember to use your REPLY TO ALL key >and not simply reply. This allows everyone to see your answer and keeps >conversation flowing. A number of people have commented to me that they >never see the answers! >We have had a large number of succesful matches on this list – nice for >folks to know. >For the newcomers, welcome. I look after this list – not brilliantly but do >my best. >I am a Scot born and bred in Edinburgh and live in England. My father was >the first of his family to be born away from the family home in Rogart. >My Murray family came from Rhemusaig which is geographically in Rogart but >comes under Dornoch parish. My Mackenzies are from Achillie and Torbreck, >Rogart; my Mackays from Torbreck, Kinnauld and Achillie, Rogart. I am >interested in all families in the Rogart, Dornoch and Golspie areas. >I have lots of info on Murrays, Mackays, Mackenzies, Grants, Gordons, Duffs >and numerous other names and am happy to do look ups for you. > >Best wishes >Christine >chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk > >Highland Hearts >http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! >http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

Hi Chris and fellow listers, I have been researching my family for thirty years and until I met Chris and found her site Highland Hearts I was going no where. Thanks to Chris and this list I finally have some answers. I am researching the MUNRO'S that came from Ross/Cromarty to the Dornoch area some time in the 1790s and my ever elusive CHRISTIAN(Christy) MACKENZIE, most likely from the Rogart area. In the year 1821 we have John Munro of Oldney marrying Christy MacKenzie of Tilin (does anyone know where that is?) by the Rev Mackenzie of Assynt. Any help greatly appreciated and if I can help anyone just ask... Carolyn

UPROOTED HEATHER, A Story of the Selkirk Settlers, by Wemyss Cavaick copyright 1967 - Mitchell Press Limited, Vancouver, Canada Back cover reads - Here, in an authentically depicted passage of Scottish and Canadian history, is the story of David and Jeannie Grant, who suffered the cruel ousting of the Sutherlands from their Highland crofts. Uprooted, they voyaged westward to a wild new home in search of land they could till and call their own. The author, a Canadian born in Scotland, devoted years to research before writing a book that now joins the library of worthy historical novels illustrative of Canada's beginnings. This novel is devoted to the story of the Sutherland crofters who were gathered up from their destitute position on the beaches when lands they had tilled became a deerpark. They took Lord Sekirk's offer to colonize and so, as the first brigade of an historic migration of settlers, they were pathfinders. I found this book a great read for those searching ancestors in Sutherland. Pat Moreau Winnipeg ROSS & MACKAY - Kildonan & Rogart MACPHERSON & MACKAY - Farr & Rogart SUTHERLAND, REID, MURRAY - Rogart

Howdy Chris and List, So I will list again my guys from Golspie, Sutherland. Since there is evidence that Stephen Clark and wife, Euphemia Douglas, first lived in England and came to Golspie and Culmaily in about 1820 and left in about 1832, they didn't leave much of a permanent record there.So I seek more indirect bits of evidence about their stay there. Stephen was a shepherd on the Culmaily farm. Here are their kids and where and when born: Ellen, England, about 1818. Alexander, England 1819. Mary, Golspie 1820. George, Golspie, 1822 William, Golspie, 1823. Marion, Golspie 1825. Euphemia, Golspie 1826. Thomas, Golspie 1828...my gggrandfather. Margaret, Golspie abt 1830. Nancy, Quebec 1833. Stephen, Quebec 1836. So maybe six of the children may have gone to school in Sutherland. They were likely Wesleyan Methodists. They likely sailed to Canada in that big Sutherland group that went in 1832. So my quest is to find some mention of them on some list or document. If you run across their names in your research please let me know. My ultimate goal is to find Stephen birth and marriage records in England and Euphemia 's birth record "in the Orkney Islands". Thanks, Bob Eckerman, in Florida, USA

Sorry --- I meant Old and *Second* Statistical Accounts! Sara > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Sara Thomas" <Sethomas@btinternet.com> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 9:19 AM > Subject: Statistical Accounts / English Origins > > > Highlight of the year must be the appearance of the Old and First > Statistical Accounts of Scotland on the net --- > http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi > (see under Parish Lists) > All I've read so far is the first account for Criech parish --- > fascinating! > > I'm not so sure about England's answer to Scots Origins: > www.englishorigins.com > Doesn't seem to be very productive/extensive so far --- or am I > wrong? > Sara > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. > You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > >

Hi Sara Must agree with you about the Statistical Accounts being on line. They are great. I have a copy of the first accounts of Sutherland and Caithness and have enjoyed reading that for years. Now, I keep on trying to find time to complete reading the later version on the net. I sadly must agree with you also on the English Origins but it is early days so may improve. In England married women always used their married name. This is a major drawback when researching. The Scots had it the right way where women still used their own name. To add to what is on the internet right now I have to say that I am becoming quite alarmed at the ridiculous number of "about" births and marriages that are popping into the IGI. I questioned that as it appears that they do not really have any facts and just put "born about 1780 in Sutherland". As many folks do use and rely on the IGI on line I think it is important to realise that this "about" business is not proven fact. I now quote from a recent letter send to "Family Tree Magazine": "Up to the issue of 1988 IGI entries were largely based on facts i.e. actual events that had taken place and were recorded in the various registers, although the entries still needed to be checked at the primary source. Now one finds many entries which state "about", these are the result of inadequate research by people who have sumbitted information to the Church. They can be more misleading than helpful, especially to those who do not, or cannot, check for a primary source." Since about 1990 the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has been inputting information to the IGI which has been submitted by researchers. The church issued guidelines as to what data should be sumbitted, but people do not always abide by these. The moral of this story - ignore all reference to "abouts" on the IGI. I certainly will. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:Sethomas@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 9:19 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Statistical Accounts / English Origins Highlight of the year must be the appearance of the Old and First Statistical Accounts of Scotland on the net --- http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi (see under Parish Lists) All I've read so far is the first account for Criech parish --- fascinating! I'm not so sure about England's answer to Scots Origins: www.englishorigins.com Doesn't seem to be very productive/extensive so far --- or am I wrong? Sara ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

I just joined this list. I am researching the following family from the area near Helmsdale, Loth/Kildonan Parishes: John MACPHERSON married Janet McINTOSH December 8, 1817. Their children include Janet, William, Hector (my ancestor) Hugh, Isabella, and Hannah. John's occupation was listed as "ag. lab." in 1841, "crofter" in 1851, "farmer of 2 acres" in 1861, and "farmer" in 1871. Janet was referred to as "Jessie" in family tradition.

Highlight of the year must be the appearance of the Old and First Statistical Accounts of Scotland on the net --- http://edina.ac.uk/cgi/StatAcc/StatAcc.cgi (see under Parish Lists) All I've read so far is the first account for Criech parish --- fascinating! I'm not so sure about England's answer to Scots Origins: www.englishorigins.com Doesn't seem to be very productive/extensive so far --- or am I wrong? Sara

Hi and welcome to the list. I am a great, great granddaughter of William Mackenzie and Elspat Mackay of Torbreck. I have been researching this family for many, many years and have a pretty full story. I wish you could know how happy I was to see their names come up on the list! Briefly William was born 19 March 1808 at Achevely, Rogart. son of Kenneth Mackenzie, blacksmith, and Mary Jeanison or Jenny. William was the second born of twins, his brother being Colin. He married Elspet Mackay, daughter of David Mackay and Christina Anderson of Torbreck. William took over the croft and the blacksmith business at Torbreck from David Mackay. He and Elspet had the following children born in Torbreck: MARY, born 15 September 1835; DAVID, born 1 August 1838 [died 25 November 1921 New Zealand] [married Catherine Anderson and Mary Jane Carpenter]; KENNETH, born 29 January 1840; JANE, born 1841 [married Alexander Murray - my great grandparents]; CHRISTY, born 8 January 1842 [died 17 January 1887]; HUGH, born 1843 [died infant]; ANNIE, born 1844 [died infant]; COLIN, born 1847 [married Margaret Robertson]; HANNAH (Susanna), born 1849 [married Murdoch Mackay]; CATHERINE, born 1850; HELLEN, born 20 January 1857 [married Joseph Sutherland] and ELSPETH, born 20 January 1857. William died at his home in Torbreck, aged 63 years in 1873. He had suffered from a disease of the kidneys for several months. His son Colin signed the death certificate. I also have a great deal of information on both William's parents and Elspat's parents and their siblings and children. David Mackenzie left his home at Torbreck when he was 18 years old and headed for Australia. By the time he was 21 years old he was in New Zealand. He was a blacksmith to trade, as his father and both his grandfather's were. He went gold mining in the south of South Island, New Zealand before he went back to his trade at Milton, South Otago. It was at Milton he met his first wife, Catherine Anderson. The story goes that Catherine had lost the key to her chest (kist as it was called then) and came to David to get help. David went to her aid and a friendship developed. David left Milton and bought farmland at Waiwera South. He built a sod hut, which was still waiting for doors and windows when he and Catherine married in 1864 at Dunedin. Catherine was born in Edinburgh, Scotland, daughter of Richard Anderson, a shoemaker, and Euphemia Williamson. The Andersons had left Edinburgh in August 1862 arriving at Port Chalmers, New Zealand that November. Catherine was one of a family of seven children. David and Catherine had five children. Catherine was expecting her sixth child, when she died tragically in childbirth on 26 July 1873. The baby also died. David later married Jane Alice Carpenter, known as Alice, in 1877 and had four further children. David once returned to his home in Torbreck but could not settle and returned to New Zealand where he died. I correspond regularly with a granddaughter of his in New Zealand and between us we have built up quite a picture of this family. I am looking forward to hearing from you and your partner. Best wishes Christine chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: phil.becs [mailto:phil.becs@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 6:08 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: MACKENZIE, Rogart Hi everyone I have just joined this list in an effort to trace my partner's ancestor. David MACKENZIE b 1838 Rogart. He left Scotland in about 1846 and headed to Australia then about 1849 came to New Zealand. His parents were William (blacksmith) and Elspeth (maiden name probably MACKAY). He was apparently one of ten children but I have only managed to find the following children registered to the above couple on the IGI: Mary chr 1835 Christy chr 1842 Kenneth chr 1840 Does anyone on the list have a connection to this family? Or possibly the 1841 Rogart census for a look up of them? Thank you all for your time. Sincerely Becs, Invercargill, NZ ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

LOOKING FOR INFORMATION RE: THOMAS AINSLIE B.1782 M. JANET TODD B.1785; LEFT SUTHERLANDSHIRE ABOUT 1820 FOR NOVA SCOTIA, CANADA THANKS! ALLISON ... email skpsgrl3@aol.com

Searching for information on Alexander KENNEDY, born 1800. Family notes put his birth in Rose Hall, Creich. He married Isabel CAMERON on February 3, 1826, in Kincardine, Ross & Cromarty. Children were William (1827), Alexandrina (Lexie, 1829), Donald (1831) Nancy (1834), James (1837), Mary (1840). The family immigrated to Oxford Co., Ontario, Canada, where Alexander and Isabel are buried in North Embro Cemetery. Thank you for any information.

Hi again Diane Looked at this request for info on William Bain McKay and found that he was baptised in Kincardine, Ross & Cromarty. Questioned that it was the correct one so then looked at his own children as you had listed and found that both Johanna and Alexander were actually born in Kincardine also so think this is the correct family. William Mackay and Christian Sutherland had: Johanna, born or baptised 10 September 1837 and Alexander, born or baptised 24 October 1839 both in Kincardine. A William Mackay was christened in Kincardine on 27 april 1809, son of Alexander Mackay and Isobel Mackenzie. They also had the following children: Kenneth, born 1807; John, born 1811; Georgina, born 1814; Donald, born 1817 and Alexander, born 1820. Could this be your family? Christine -----Original Message----- From: Bill & Diane Geddes [mailto:bgeddes@ameritech.net] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 1:04 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-SUT] McKAY/SUTHERLAND Searching for information on William Bain McKAY, born April 12, 1809, in Creich. He married Christene SUTHERLAND in Clyne on February 24, 1835. They had three children in SCT - Donald (1835), Johanne (1837) and Alexander (1839) - then immigrated to Oxford Co., Ontario, Canada, and had Ellen/Hellen (1841), Christene (1843), William (1845), Margaret (1847), George (1850) and George (1855). Christene's parents were John SUTHERLAND and Ellen. We are hoping to find William McKAYs parents and siblings. Thank you. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Hello Robin Gibson is not a common name in central Sutherland so easy to look up. I think the place your Janet is from is Strath Achvaich. Did you get the name from the Old Parish Register? I do not have the 1841 so cannot look this up for you. However I did look at the 1881 to see if there were any Gibsons still around and found only the following: Donald GIBSON at Blairich, Rogart, born in Rogart, aged 26, a ploughman; married to Betty, aged 21 who was born in Helmsdale; their baby duaghter Maggie, age 1, also born in Helmsdale. Anne GIBSON, living in Dornoch, a spinster, agd 56, born in Dornoch, crofting 7 acres. With her a nephew, Thomas WILSON, aged 19, born Edinburgh. Also living in Dornoch: Hugh GIBSON, aged 51, born Dornoch, a farm servant, his wife Margaret MACDONALD, aged 56, born either in Rogart or Helmsdale; their children, Betsy, age 25, born Clyne; James, age 18, born clyne; Norman, age 14, born Clyne and Hugh, age 12 born Dornoch. Hugh Gibson and Margaret Macdonald are buried in Golspie - Hugh died March 1911 and Margaret died December 1907. I think if you check some of this out you will find they all relate to your Donald Gibson. Let me know if I can help further. Best wishes Christine chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Robin VanBelleghem [mailto:robinvb@home.com] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 4:54 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SCT-SUT] GIBSONS OF DORNOCH Hi everyone, My name is Robin, I researching the Gibsons of Dornach Sutherland. My g.g.g.grandparents were Donald Gibson and Janet McKay, they were married Dec 8, 1823, they had 7 children all born in Dornoch, there was Catherine 1824[my g.g.grandmother], Alexander 1825, Marion 1826, Margaret 1828, Joanna 1830, Helen 1832 and Mary 1835. I can't find any info on Donald or Janet except Donald could have been born in a place called Skibo, Dornach and Janet McKay was born in a place called Strath Achraid but we do not think this is spelled correctly, it is possible that Donald was related to a Thomas Gibson who also lived in Dornach around the same time. If anyone is familiar with this family please contact me or if anyone has access to the 1841 census could you look for ages and place of birth for Donald and Janet. I would appreciate any information on this family I can get on this family. Thank-You Robin robinvb@home.com ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Hi everyone, My name is Robin, I researching the Gibsons of Dornach Sutherland. My g.g.g.grandparents were Donald Gibson and Janet McKay, they were married Dec 8, 1823, they had 7 children all born in Dornoch, there was Catherine 1824[my g.g.grandmother], Alexander 1825, Marion 1826, Margaret 1828, Joanna 1830, Helen 1832 and Mary 1835. I can't find any info on Donald or Janet except Donald could have been born in a place called Skibo, Dornach and Janet McKay was born in a place called Strath Achraid but we do not think this is spelled correctly, it is possible that Donald was related to a Thomas Gibson who also lived in Dornach around the same time. If anyone is familiar with this family please contact me or if anyone has access to the 1841 census could you look for ages and place of birth for Donald and Janet. I would appreciate any information on this family I can get on this family. Thank-You Robin robinvb@home.com

Searching for information on William SUTHERLAND, born 1808, and Euphemia (nee SUTHERLAND) who married November 1, 1833, in W. Zorra, Oxford Co., Ontario, Canada. Their children were Barbara (1833), Isabelle (1835), John (1840), Ann (1841), Henry (1842) and Alexander (1846). William died in 1858, and he and Euphemia are buried in Old Log Cemetery, Embro, Oxford Co. Thank you.

Searching for information on William Bain McKAY, born April 12, 1809, in Creich. He married Christene SUTHERLAND in Clyne on February 24, 1835. They had three children in SCT - Donald (1835), Johanne (1837) and Alexander (1839) - then immigrated to Oxford Co., Ontario, Canada, and had Ellen/Hellen (1841), Christene (1843), William (1845), Margaret (1847), George (1850) and George (1855). Christene's parents were John SUTHERLAND and Ellen. We are hoping to find William McKAYs parents and siblings. Thank you.

Hi Bill & Diane Further to my earlier message regarding Christian Ross I have now checked and double checked and the only other Christian Ross born in Dornoch about the same time was: Isobel MURRAY and John ROSS married on 5 August 1786 at Dornoch (IGI). They had the following children (ROSS): Christian, born 22 May 1787 Dornoch (IGI) and Christian, born 19 September 1793 Rearquhar (OPR). In 1787 John Ross was a soldier (OPR). Presume the first Christian died as an infant hence the birth of the second. Neither of these births were in 1790. I think it is now pretty safe to assume that Christian Ross, daughter of John Ross and Effy Murray, is the one you seek. Christy Ross married to Alexander Geddes died in Dornoch in 1856 so she will have a proper official death certificate. In Scotland these show the names of the deceased person’s parents. Worth looking at. Best wishes Christine chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01