Hi All, I have an Isabella MELVILLE, she is also my grt grandmother and she has a brother John. This is my family of Melville's John MELVILLE b: 1813 Wife Roberta POPE b: 1808 children: Hector b: 1833, John b: 1835, Isabella b: 1837 James b: 1840, Alexander b: 1842, Mary b: 1844, Davidina b: 1847, William b: 1850, Charles b: 1853 Loth Sutherland Scotland. sheryl vic oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick & Dorothy Blais" <donik@home.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 4:59 AM Subject: Fw: Isabella MELVILLE > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Nick & Dorothy Blais" <donik@home.com> > To: "Iain Sutherland" <iain_sutherland@totalise.co.uk> > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 9:58 AM > Subject: Re: Isabella MELVILLE > > > > Hi Iain. > > > > My Ggrandmother was also an Isabella MELVILLE who was b in Loth in 1836. > Do > > you know if your Isabella had a brother, John who was b. in > 810( Isabella's > > father) > > > > Cheers, > > Dorothy on Vancouver Island > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Iain Sutherland" <iain_sutherland@totalise.co.uk> > > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 2:31 PM > > Subject: Re: Exciting time on the list > > > > > > > son NEIL MACBEATH on 28/3/1881. JAMES MACBEATH was the son of NEIL > > MACBEATH > > > b 1807? at Riasg & MARGARET ROSS b/1813? her parents were GEORGE ROSS & > > > ISABELLA MELVILLE. DONALD SUTHERLAND & MARGARET MACBEATH still have > > > relatives in Brora.Any help in expanding my list or putting "flesh to > > bones > > > would be appreciated" Iain > > > ______________________________ > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

Hi and welcome to the list. You have intrigued me with your message. You say much has been written on John Sutherland and the boys but not much about "their brave mother, Catherine Grant" - tell us more? There is another researcher on this list descended from the same family. No doubt she will be in touch soon. Best wishes Christine chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: RFinnigan@aol.com [mailto:RFinnigan@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 6:05 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: CATHERINE GRANT Hello: I am new to this list. My 4th great grandmother is Catherine GRANT/Sutherland wife of John SUTHERLAND who with their family emigrated to Churchill,Canada in 1813 on the Prince of Wales. Much has been written on John and his sons John,John,George and Alexander on the same boat but I cannot find a word on their brave mother Catherine Grant. Any information or direction would be very much appreciated. Rhonda from Canada ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

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This message was posted to the Inverness list. As there are a couple of GRANTs mentioned, I thought it might be of interest to someone on the Sutherland list. :o) Lyndall Canberra, Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Laraine Dyer" <larained@ihug.co.nz> To: <SCT-INVERNESS-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 23, 2001 7:34 PM Subject: [SCT-INV] Cemetery Transcriptions Hi Lister, While browsing, spotted these surnames which I've seen folk looking for, are they yours, perhaps you hadn't thought of your ancestors being in the military. Good Luck, Laraine http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/ifetch2?/u1/textindices/I/INDIA+2000+4 6796716805+F Cemetery Transcriptions ST MARY'S ENGLISH BURIAL GROUND ( Formally known as the English Burial Ground) Madras MACKENZIE Grizell 20 Sept 1780 MACKENZIE John 14 Nov 1780 MACKENZIE James 27 Aug 1781 SULLIVAN Henry Boyle 16 Feb 1783 CUMMING Alice 6 May 1784 MACKENZIE George 4 June 1787 RUSSEL Daniel 13 Oct 1787 MACKINTOSH Angus 30 May 1788 MACKINTOSH Phineas 5 Dec 1791 ROSS Andrew 20 Aug 1797 MACDONALD Forbes Ross 18 May 1799 CUMMING George 27 June 1799 INNES James 23 April 1804 GRANT Allan 3 May 1804 Mc INTOSH John 9 Sept 1805 Mc INTOSH John 9 Sept 1805 GRANT Walter 5 Nov 1807 RUSSELL James Erskine16 Sept 1866

Hi Rhonda I have a bit on Catherine Grant. Catherine Grant was listed as age 46 when she came over on the 1813 expedition on the ship Prince of Wales. Her husband died of typhoid fever 2 Sept. 1813 and the remaining family and passengers wintered at Churchill in sub-zero weather with few rations. The eldest three children snowshoed from Churchill to York Factory in April 1814. Catherine and her youngest Alexander joined them on 25 Aug 1814. Catherine went east to West Gwillimbury, ON with her sons Donald & Alexander on 16 June 1815. Hope this helps. It is taken from The Lord Selkirk Association of Rupert's Land 1812 - 1997 Book. Marla Manson > I am new to this list. My 4th great grandmother is Catherine > GRANT/Sutherland wife of John SUTHERLAND who with their family emigrated to > Churchill,Canada in 1813 on the Prince of Wales. > Much has been written on John and his sons John,John,George and Alexander on > the same boat but I cannot find a word on their brave mother Catherine Grant.

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Hi Sheryl Vic Oz (?): I would guess that Roberta was a daughter of the following Robert Pope of Loth? From the Sutherland Papers: (these two entries are notes of Patrick Sellar) Vol2 p6, note 1: 'Robert Pope, tacksman of Navidale, received a wadset of Gartymore, Achintou and Liriboll on 27 September 1799'. Vol1, Table III, pp238-240: Wadsets in existence in 1802 but redeemed before 1816: #11. Gartymore (Loth); held in 1802 by Robert Pope, who disponed to trustees in 1808; redeemed in 1815. There was another Pope family in the area; I think a brother of Robert Pope. There are others who would recognize this family on the list. Good luck, Ron Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario, Canada. -----Original Message----- From: sheryl sharp [mailto:sheryl@origin.net.au] Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 6:04 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Isabella MELVILLE Hi All, I have an Isabella MELVILLE, she is also my grt grandmother and she has a brother John. This is my family of Melville's John MELVILLE b: 1813 Wife Roberta POPE b: 1808 children: Hector b: 1833, John b: 1835, Isabella b: 1837 James b: 1840, Alexander b: 1842, Mary b: 1844, Davidina b: 1847, William b: 1850, Charles b: 1853 Loth Sutherland Scotland. sheryl vic oz

Hi Ronald Patrick, I thought someone on the list told me that Patrick Sellar, manager of Culmaily, destroyed his papers. If there are Culmaily papers I would like to know about them. Why? Because my 3rd great grandfather, Stephen Clark, herded sheep for Mr. Sellar from about 1820 to 1832. I would be most pleased to find anything about Stephen during his Culmaily/Golspie period, before he went to Quebec. Thanks, Bob Eckerman On Sat, 24 Mar 2001 16:18:10 -0500 "J. Ronald Patrick" <rpatrick@niagara.com> writes: > Hi Sheryl Vic Oz (?): > I would guess that Roberta was a daughter of the following Robert > Pope of > Loth? > > From the Sutherland Papers: (these two entries are notes of Patrick > Sellar) > Vol2 p6, note 1: > 'Robert Pope, tacksman of Navidale, received a wadset of Gartymore, > Achintou > and Liriboll on 27 September 1799'. > > Vol1, Table III, pp238-240: > Wadsets in existence in 1802 but redeemed before 1816: > #11. Gartymore (Loth); held in 1802 by Robert Pope, who disponed to > trustees > in 1808; redeemed in 1815. > > There was another Pope family in the area; I think a brother of > Robert Pope. > There are others who would recognize this family on the list. > Good luck, > Ron > Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario, Canada. > > -----Original Message----- > From: sheryl sharp [mailto:sheryl@origin.net.au] > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 6:04 AM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Isabella MELVILLE > Hi All, > I have an Isabella MELVILLE, she is also my grt grandmother and she > has a > brother John. > This is my family of Melville's > John MELVILLE b: 1813 Wife Roberta POPE b: 1808 > children: Hector b: 1833, John b: 1835, Isabella b: 1837 > James b: 1840, Alexander b: 1842, Mary b: 1844, > Davidina b: 1847, William b: 1850, Charles b: 1853 > Loth Sutherland Scotland. > > sheryl vic oz > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. > You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & > Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Hi Listers In the IGI is an entry for James MCDONALD supposedly baptised to Hugh MCDONALD & Elizabeth ANDERSON at Rogart parish on 21 March 1809. The entry is WRONG. I saw microfilm of the register in 1988 and the name of the father was in fact extremely difficult to decipher. His name was much scribbled upon and it was most likely Philip but could also have been Finlay and even Ralph. No way was it Hugh! the transcriber must have been on something. The location of the parents in Rogart parish was Dalnessie. I asked the LDS to do something about the entry some time ago but nothing has been done. Given the name of the mother, the father is most likely Finlay MCDONALD who was also known as Philip. Finlay MCDONALD & Elizabeth ANDERSON are my great-great-great-grandparents. They had further issue in Rogart parish in 1811 (William) and 1817 (Janet). Earlier issue were born Laig parish. There is no substitute for viewing actual registers. Don't rely on the IGI even if it says it is parish register data. Peter DILLON

Hi Listers I have previously written to the list re Finlay MCDONALD & Elizabeth ANDERSON of Lairg parish who took most of their family to Canada in 1830, except for son Angus who stayed behind to marry Margaret MCCOLL, the latter two taking their large family to Victoria Australia in 1853. Finlay had a brother William whom Florence PATTERSON reports went to Canada also with his wife Lillie and issue Philip, Hugh & Neil. A quick search of the IGI reveals NINE issue baptised at Rogart parish to William MCDONALD & Lilias MACKAY, Philip, Hugh & Neil being the youngest. Does anyone think they have connections with or information about these people? ie Parents: Father: William MACDONALD Mother: Lilias MACKAY 1. Ann MACDONALD - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Christening: 2 Jul 1818 Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland 2. Angus MACDONALD - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Christening: 20 Jul 1820 Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland 3. Aeneas MACDONALD - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Christening: 18 Feb 1822 Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland 4. Elspet MACDONALD - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Christening: 29 May 1823 Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland 5. Margaret MACDONALD - International Genealogical Index Gender: F Christening: 11 Apr 1825 Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland 6. Thomas MACDONALD - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Christening: 16 Mar 1826 Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland 7. Philip MACDONALD - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Christening: 22 Jun 1827 Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland 8. Hugh MACDONALD - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Christening: 10 Aug 1829 Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland 9. Neil MACDONALD - International Genealogical Index Gender: M Christening: 10 Feb 1831 Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland According to the IGI there was William MCDONALD & Lilly MACKAY married at lairg parish in 1816...but apparently this was from a patron submitted sheet so i don't know hoe reliable the info is. Peter DILLON Christchurch, New Zealand http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~peterd50 According to the IGI there was William MCDONALD & Lilly MACKAY married at lairg parish in 1816...but apparently this was from a patron submitted sheet so i don't know hoe reliable the info is.

Hello: I am new to this list. My 4th great grandmother is Catherine GRANT/Sutherland wife of John SUTHERLAND who with their family emigrated to Churchill,Canada in 1813 on the Prince of Wales. Much has been written on John and his sons John,John,George and Alexander on the same boat but I cannot find a word on their brave mother Catherine Grant. Any information or direction would be very much appreciated. Rhonda from Canada

----- Original Message ----- From: "Nick & Dorothy Blais" <donik@home.com> To: "sheryl sharp" <sheryl@origin.net.au> Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Isabella MELVILLE b. 1836 > Hi Sheryl, > > We must be related somehow. > > John MELVILLE was b. 1810 to Robert and Elspat nee MACKENZIE of Clyne. > > John MELVILLE m. Jean ( Jane) McKAY in 1828 don't know her parents > > Their children were HUGH b. 1831 .I have no further details on him. > > JANE b. 1834 married Donald Bremner a police constable in Edinburgh.in > 1855. > ROBERTA b. 1839 married Alexander MURRAY in 1866and returned from Edinburgh > to look after her parents' croft in West Helmsdale. > ISABELLA b. 1836 married Alfred George HENSON in 1861 Edinburgh.After moving > around Scotland their last home was in South Shields, Co. Durham where > their7th and last child Henry, my grandfather, was born. > > John MELVILLE later married Grace McPHERSON in 1847-no children > > > John could have had a brother William b. 1812 , Donald b. 1821 and Hector > b. 1826 from records I copied from the Loth & district births & marriages > book on film from the IGI. > > Robert married again in 1845 to Henrietta GORDON > > Any connections to the above? I saw " your " Isabella b. 1837 on the same > records-parents John and Roberta nee POPE. > > Cheers, > Dorothy on Vancouver Island > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "sheryl sharp" <sheryl@origin.net.au> > To: "Nick & Dorothy Blais" <donik@home.com>; <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 24, 2001 3:03 AM > Subject: Re: Isabella MELVILLE > > > > Hi All, > > I have an Isabella MELVILLE, she is also my grt grandmother and she has a > > brother John. > > This is my family of Melville's > > John MELVILLE b: 1813 Wife Roberta POPE b: 1808 > > children: Hector b: 1833, John b: 1835, Isabella b: 1837 > > James b: 1840, Alexander b: 1842, Mary b: 1844, > > Davidina b: 1847, William b: 1850, Charles b: 1853 > > Loth Sutherland Scotland. > > sheryl vic oz > > > > > > >

Have been searching for years for JOHN D. MURRAY (ca. 1826-1893) who married DOLINA MacDONALD (born 1826), daughter of Donald MacDonald and Esther Sinclair. John and Dolina lived in Three Brooks, Pictou County, N.S. I would appreciate any information. Kathleen plister@nbnet.nb.ca

Hi Robin My ggg grandfather was Donald GRANT . I Believe that he was married to Catherine MacKay . I do not have other details regarding this Donald. I do know through my research that a Donald GRANT married to Janet MACKAY,most of this family immigrated to Austraila . Christine has lots of information about Donald and Janet . I am still looking for info regarding Donald GRANT and Catherine MACKAY. marian ----Original Message----- From: Robin VanBelleghem <robinvb@home.com> To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, March 23, 2001 1:37 AM Subject: Re: Grant & McKay Deaths 1836. Help!!!! >HI >I looked in the IGI and the only Donald Grant and Janet McKay I could find >was this one, which sure does not come close to the one your looking for. >Donald GRANT > Sex: M > >Marriage(s): > Spouse: Janet MCKAY > Marriage: 10 Dec 1848 > Dornoch, Sutherland, Scotland >But there is a Donald Grant who married a Janet Munro in 1786, are you sure >her maiden name was McKay. What were your Donald and Janet's children's >name's, maybe I can find them, and then at least you would have something to >work with. > >Robin > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ray Wigraft <rwigraft@melbpc.org.au> >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Thursday, March 22, 2001 11:37 PM >Subject: SUT: Grant & McKay Deaths 1836. Help!!!! > > >>Hello Listers, >> >>My g.g.g.g.grandparents, Donald GRANT & Janet GRANT (nee McKAY) are both >>recorded in the Dornoch Parochial Register as having died both on the same >>day, 27 September 1836. Donald age 89 of Palsy at Dornoch (Parish or Town) >>and >>Janet age 80 at Rosebank. >> >>I find that it is too much of a coincidence that they are recorded as both >>dying on the same day. >> >>Q1. Where is/was Rosebank >> >>Q2. Did anything unusual take place around that time eg. plague, famine, >>clearances etc. >> >>I am open for any suggestions please. >> >>Regards, >> >> Ray Wigraft rwigraft@melbpc.org.au >> Melbourne, Victoria >> Australia >> >> >> >> >> >> >>==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >>You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You >can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ >> >>============================== >>Search over 900 million names at Ancestry.com! >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >> > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >9 Health Tips for Computer Genealogists >http://www.thirdage.com/features/tech/ouch/ >

Ritchie transcriptions 1951- MFM #12065. Ritchie did 33 cemetaries out of 150 in 3.5 weeks within the boundaries of present day Pictou. 8,000 names- forgive me for not transcribing them all. Here are a few "old and some not so old" Murrays. To all you MacKenzies, McKays, Sutherlands, MacLeods, Ross etc I extend a 100,000 welcomes ( cannot spell the Gaelic form!) to visit this lovely Province especially between June and end of October and delve into the history of your ancestors, explore the replica of the Hector which was launched last year and to burrow into this microfilm to your hearts content at N.S. Archives in Halifax. IVAN-I have been reading Geo. Pattersons History of Pictou County and he states that James Murray (Hector) went to Londonderry and in the various lists of inhabitants " available for military duty etc etc "there is only mention of Walter in 1775 onwards. So Londonderry will be my next port of call. RITCHIE TRANSCRIPTIONS PM-7 Merigomish Cemetary ROBERT MURRAY 1792-1884 wf Isabella 1802-1866 ROBERT MURRAY 1830-1842 M20 Merigomish McEWAN cemetary JAMES MURRAY 1827-1911 wf Margaret J McEwan 1836-1912 Bella MURRAY 1854-1913 Sarah MURRAY 1873-1939 W2 West Branch River John Cemetary JAMES MURRAY No date of death or age widow Catherine died 1871 aged 91 dau Barbara died 1893 aged 88 JAMES MURRAY died 1910 age 72 wf Eliza MCKAY JAMES D MURRAY died 1891 age 22 JAMES MURRAY wf Joanna ROSS died oct 18 1862 age 54 U3 Old Union Centre Cemetary Pictou DONALD MURRAY 1816-1899 wf Catherine MCKAY 1820-1910 son JAMES 1843-1900 son ALEXANDER 1854-1907 WILLIAM MURRAY 1856-1929 wf Georgie ROSS 1881-1929 DONALD R. MURRAY 1844-1897 wf Catherine E MACDONALD 1855-1946 son WILLIAM C MURRAY 1891-1919 son D? ROBERT MURRAY 1890- W3 Murray cemetary West Branch River John JOHN J MURRAY 1850-1939 wf Christine SUTHERLAND 1864-1928 JOHN M elder died 1889 age 85 b. Sutherlandshire ( Elder probably meant elder of the kirk not John Senior but I don't know for sure) wf Catherine MCKENZIE died 1909 age 89 b Sutherlandshire S14 Stewart Mills cemetary JAMES MURRAY wf Joanna ROSS died October 18 1862 age 54 M21 Middle river cemetary DONALD MURRAY no death or age dau Christy died 1829 age 17 son James died 1838 age 6 S7 Bethel cemetary Scotsburn JOHN MURRAY Born Sutherlandshire 1809 died Dalhousie 1881 wf Christena MACLEOD died Mar 8, 1908 Age 93 Christena L MURRAY 1892-1951 JAMES M MURRAY 1900-1941 GEORGE H MURRAY 1893-1943 PM 17 Marshdale Cemetary JOHN MURRAY 1808-1881 wf Anne DEMPSTER 1820-1904 Edwin H died 1868 age 24 Mary McD died 1922 age 78 More to come Liz

I am searching for the birth record of Neil McKay born August 9, 1830 to Robert McKay and Elizabeth Gunn. We are unsure of his birth place except that it is probably Sutherland or Caithness. There is no record of his birth or baptism on the IGI; nor is there a record of his parents' marriage. Robert died in Grey County, Ontario in 1874 at 79 years of age. We think maybe Elizabeth died in Scotland. Any help is much appreciated. Sincerely, Carol Small

Hello Listers, My g.g.g.g.grandparents, Donald GRANT & Janet GRANT (nee McKAY) are both recorded in the Dornoch Parochial Register as having died both on the same day, 27 September 1836. Donald age 89 of Palsy at Dornoch (Parish or Town) and Janet age 80 at Rosebank. I find that it is too much of a coincidence that they are recorded as both dying on the same day. Q1. Where is/was Rosebank Q2. Did anything unusual take place around that time eg. plague, famine, clearances etc. I am open for any suggestions please. Regards, Ray Wigraft rwigraft@melbpc.org.au Melbourne, Victoria Australia

Thanks for the info, Dick. I will check it out. There are several of us who would like to attach Stephen Clark and family to a specific boat. Bob Eckerman On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 13:50:19 -0000 "dick.murray" <dick.murray@ntlworld.com> writes: Hello Bob, here is something from so far out that it might not even work. Re Party from Sutherland to Canada circa1832.As this would have been about 16 years after the original Red River Settlement was wiped out,restarted the following year,it is possible!that the passenger lists were better kept.To that end if you key http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=82767820 into your browser.It will not get you anything as the number has been removed from their database.However in the Search panel enter "New World Immigrants",without the " and you will be amazed at what pops up.It is some sort of Bidding Forum.There appears to be at least a thousand different Genealogy Books and Ship Lists.You never know. Yours Aye dick murray (Researching the Murray Families of Sutherland).

Hi, I'm looking for any descendants of the following: 1. Godfrey McDonald & Elizabeth Montgomery 2. Murdoch McDonald & Elizabeth McLeod 3. John McDonald & Janet McLaren 4. Norman McDonald b.1902 Edinburgh?? 5. Godfrey McDonald KIA WW1 (these two are brothers) Other family members of Godfrey and Elizabeth McDonald moved to Australia in 1854 but all of the above remained in Scotland. Thanks, Brett Prentice Brisbane, Australia

I'd like to fill in some blanks in my McKay family tree. Ruth Havens (b. 1831, Shediac, New Brunswick; d. 1907, Stratford, Ont.) married James McKay (Dornock). Had 4 children: 1. Catherine McKay (m. James Priestly, 1882), 2. Samuel G. McKay (m. Charity Ann Meadows, d. 1920, Ailsa Craig, Ontario), 3. Susan Ann McKay (b. 1850, m. William Arthur Brown in West Zorra, d. 1950, Ailsa Craig) 4. John Havens McKay (b. abt 1854, West Zorra) Ruth then married William McKay (Dornock, supposedly James brother). William was born 1832, and died 1909 in Stratford, Ont. 4 children. 1. Ruth McKay (b. 1865, m. David Wilton) 2. Willena (Willemena?) McKay (b. 1867, m. William Martin) 3. Andrew Alexander McKay (b. 1869, m. 1896 to Edith Mary Baumgartener) 4. Marion McKay (b. 1871 West Zorra, m. Robert Thompson, d. 1967, Vancouver). Christine Stokes kindly sent me information indicating that James and William could be brothers, sons of John MacKay and Merran MacKay of Dornock. They had a James, born 1820 and a William born 1832, with additional sisters and brothers, especially John and Andrew. We had heard that John and Andrew came to Canada with William, but census information provided by Christine seems to indicate that William and John left the area before Andrew. I am trying to determine where and when James McKay and Ruth Havens married. And what happened to James that allowed Ruth to marry his brother William. Also, when and on what ship(s) James and William arrived in Canada. David Anderson Hopewell, NJ