Hi Malcolm, Thanks, Malcolm, next time I am in the Archives I will ask if they have these records. There was certainly nothing in the books I have about the Archives. I have also been given the website of the Lighthouse museum. www.lighthousemuseum.co.uk and have sent an email off to them. Sheila Mackay

Hi List, Does anyone on the list know where records of Lighthouses and their Keepers are kept in Scotland? Looked in all my books and can't find anything. Looking for a William Mackay who was keeper of Little Ross Lighthouse in Kirkcudbright in 1875. Thanks, Sheila

Any information of the following family would be greatly appreciated DONALD MUNRO or MONRO OF TONGUE Married 22/01/1826 in Tongue or Farr - married Georgina McKAY They had 7 children John christened 26/11/1826 at Tongue Jane Scobie christened 06/08/1829 or 14/08/1829 at Tongue (Rogartbra) James christened on 14/02/1832 married Mina Corbett Johan christened 23/12/1833 at Eddrachillis (just south of Kinlochbervie) Lexy born 30/10/1836 at Farr, christened 30/10/1836 at Durness/Strathy Kitty born 18/11/1838 at Farr, christened 18/11/1836 at Durness/Strathy Janet McKay Gorden born 10/12/1840 at Farr, christened ? ?1840 at Durness/Strathy Thank you Zelda Matheson, Dunedin, New Zealand

Any information on this family would be greatly appreciated. JAMES MUNRO OF TONGUE Born February 1832 in Tongue. Married at Eddrachillis on 01/01/1857 to Mina (Williamina) CORBETT born 16/12/1837 Fodderty Mina CORBETT daughter of John Corbett and Betty (Betsy) (Elizabeth) Patterson James MUNRO and his wife Mina lived in Achlyness overlooking Loch Inchard where James was a crofter. They had 6 sons all born in Eddrachillis Donald born 30/11/1857 James born 19/09/1860 John born 5/12/1863 Hugh born 16/01/1866 Hugh born 04/04/1870 (not sure why there are two named Hugh) George born 06/02/1875 All except George went to Canada. George joined the Black Watch (Army) then the Police in Edinburgh, married Agnes FRASER in Edinburgh, they had four children and emigrated to New Zealand. Any information on this family would be greatly appreciated. Thank you Zelda Matheson Dunedin New Zealand

Though you all might be interested in this one Tom This was received from a person on another list that I am on, and was written by someone on that list. We were asked to forward it on to other lists. "Ethics:" Hi everyone. This came as a message from the listowner for the Rockingham, New Hamspshire list that I belong to. I thought everyone ought to see what is going on. Mr. Marston has asked that we send this along to the lists we belong to so I am doing so. Please read the whole message to see what is going on. I think at the very least we ought to take it as a warning and a reminder that not all we find is correct information and just use it as a tool to look further. Lee Neilsen in Eastern Utah ************************* Dick Marston wrote: Listers: I have naively included a link to GenForum for those wishing to post and respond to Rockingham and Marston surname queries. Furthermore, I have innocently posted several responses on those forums. Today, I have amended the link on Rockingham's Queries Index Page to read as follows: **If you want still another place to search and post, try the Rockingham County message board on[genforum.genealogy.com/nh/rockingham/ ] WARNING!! Any information which you share on GenForum's message boards may be copied by Genealogy.com [/FamilyTreeMaker.com] and sold by them for profit either as data included on a monthly/annual subscription or as a CD for purchase. Much of this information is totally unreliable. Caveat emptor [Buyer beware]. In order to see what, if any, information Genealogy.com has acquired from your voluntary contributions, you will first need to subscribe to their service available to paying members only.** I am SO angry I could spit!! Until I started checking up on this fiasco about my father's pedigree, I had NO clue that Genealogy.com was doing this. I want to declare WAR! I can't get through to their leaders, but I sure would like to get through to their potential customers and unwitting voluntary contributors. Please feel free to copy and paste [or send] this warning wherever, or to whomever, you think might do the most good. You may post it as your own message or as a quote from me, whichever you prefer. Your help will be greatly appreciated."

Please remove our name from your web site - I have to thank you however for geting this terrific site going - it was very helpful, and we may return later. Meantime, please remove our name. Thanks again. EB

Yes Malcolm and everybody on the list, Allan has a great lot of history,he is my 6th cousin once removed. His mother was a MELVILLE. sheryl aust ----- Original Message ----- From: <Malcolm.Bangor-Jones@scotland.gsi.gov.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 5:46 PM Subject: MEVILLES IN SUTHERLAND > **************************************************************************** * > This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. > **************************************************************************** * > > Extract from The Northern Times (and Weekly Journal for Sutherland and the > North) 16 March 2001: > > Mr Alan Lannon, headmaster of Thurso's Miller Academy, to give a talk in > Golspie about family history, including "his own maternal family, the > Melvilles, who lived in Strathbrora in 1670, long before the coming of the > Great Sheep. Mr Lannon has researched the fortunes of the family over > several generations, tracing as many as 2700 connected names in his quest of > this ubiquitous tribe. "I have got back as far as 1730 with my own family > in the Doll area, but I have a reference to a John Melville paying Hearth > Tax somewhere above Carrol 60 years before that." Others lived up the > Blackwater above Balnacoil at a place called Crislich and that family, > cleared in 1820, ended up in Edinburgh and then in Australia." > > Malcolm Bangor-Jones > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

I wondered if anyone on the list may know who would have been the minister for Assynt around 1829? Many thanks Judy M Sunny Qld

Subject: [SCT-INV] PART 2:HIDDEN FAMILIES - ALIASES AND PATRONYMICS IN UPPER BANFFSHIRE "Aliases Part 2" Origins Roy, More, M’Lea, McUllie, Riach and Gow are recorded in OPR from at least the 1630s and Privy Council records show four McCollaes from Stratha’an and Glenlivet were put to the horn in 1615. This implies at least a 16th century origin for these patronymics, but their genesis and significance are as yet unexplained. For the Grants and Stuarts they may well denote kinship or affiliation to a particular local landholding family or descent from a historically important ancestor. However, for McPhersons, McIntoshes and Camerons in the gaelic - but non-highland - society east of Spey, patronymics more likely represent specific allegiances within the clan lands. With aliases well-established before 1746, any suggestion that they arose in the aftermath of Culloden is clearly unfounded. Paradoxically, however, the disruption caused by the ’45 may have accelerated the disappearance of patronymics. Of the 90 or so Glenlivet men in the ‘Lists of Rebels’, nearly a quarter were identified by patronymic alone and two others with an alias, yet six Stratha’an McGregors were ‘undisguised’, though still under proscription. (Remarkably, only half of the reputedly 500-strong Kirkmichael, Glenlivet and Glenrinnes contingent in Glenbucket’s Regiment were named in the ‘Lists of Rebels’ and not one of them was executed or transported - in contrast to the appalling penalties exacted on every other regiment of the Jacobite army.) The 1761 Summary of Glenlivet lists the Principal Tacksmen (i.e. senior tenants) and subtenants of the Glenlivet estate. Of course, the high social standing of the Principal Tacksmen meant that their only name-differentiation related to a land holding elsewhere, but six of the subtenants had an alias while many more were identified by patronymic only. Grant 3 alias 9 patronymic 26 total (+ 6 Principal Tacksmen) Stuart 3 alias 9 patronymic 19 total (+ 4 Principal Tacksmen) McPherson 0 alias 5 patronymic 8 total (no Principal Tacksman) Aliases & Patronymics in Summary of Glenlivet, 1761 Alias Period It is clear that until late in the 18th century, alias families were known and acknowledged simply by patronymic, although there would have been implicit community awareness of each specific ‘family’ descent line and its significance. While the first recording of aliases in Invera’an OPR may have been an officious entering of ‘full details’ by a parish clerk not fully conversant with that communal knowledge, the continuation of the practice looks rather like the early emergence of petty bureaucracy. With many patronymics increasingly subordinate to the generic family name by the end of the century, the Catholic Registers may indeed have been the final repository of fast fading communal knowledge. However there is evidence from an old account book and from aliases in Banff Sheriff Court Records that some patronymics were still in colloquial use as late as the 1820s. The account book of a Glenrinnes barley dealer (i.e. whisky smuggler!) records some Glenlivet clients as More and McLea, while a Glenrinnes man and his son were entered variably as McPherson or Garrow. All memory of aliases and patronymics has now been lost except for one 80 year-old who knows only a vague tradition that his Braes ancestors were ‘More’ Stuarts. Patronymics There are two main types of Upper Banffshire patronymic: (i) Genealogical - identifies the progenitor of the line: M’Lea, McRobie, McUllie, McInnes, McArthur, McAndy, McAllister, McPhail, McGurman, Gibbnach, McOmish*, McShewan*, McAdam*, McRitchie*, McGeorge* (Summary of Glenlivet), * possibly only short-duration by-names. These reflect the old-style “genealogical” naming in gaelic society that was still common in early 17th century Stratha’an. Examples from the Privy Council Register of 1613 are John Dow McConeill McEan Rowan (in Innerchebit), Patrick McGaw McEane Galt (in Torren) and Allester McEan Riauche McAgawne (in Fottirletter). (ii) Gaelic descriptive - of a kind usually found as a personal by-name: More [mor] - big Bain [ban] - fair Dow [dhu] - dark Darg [dearg] - red Roy [ruadh] - reddish Bowie [buidh] - yellow Garrow [garbh] - rough Riach [riabhach] - speckled, grizzled Gall, Galt, Gauld [geal, gall] - white, ‘foreigner’(incomer, lowlander) The 17th century examples above show Dow, Galt and Riach being used as personal by-names. Also of gaelic origin are Gow, from gobha, ‘a smith’, Kynach from Coinneach, ‘Kenneth’, and the as yet unexplained Doulle, Arrach and Jay. The McDonald alias of Couper and the Grant aliases of Turner, Miller and Tailzeor (Taylor) appear to be vocational, although the single record of the last suggests that it did not endure. As all Smiths in the RC records were alias Gow and virtually every adult male at that time was either a blacksmith or wright, this was perhaps the most vocational patronymic of all. The Glenlivet Priests The meticulous recording of aliases in the Glenlivet Catholic Baptism Registers was entirely due to Rev. James John Gordon, priest at Tombae from 1812 until 1842, and to Rev. William Dundas at Chapeltown from its opening in 1829 until his death from smallpox in December 1838. There is no obvious reason why the Glenlivet priests should have done so when Rev. Donald Carmichael in Tomintoul did not, especially as the aliases were by then in serious decline. Nor were any aliases recorded by Rev. Gordon’s temporary replacements in 1826 and 1837-8, or Rev. Robert Stuart, his Braes-born eventual successor. Rev. Gordon, a Deeside man and convert to Catholicism, had arrived in Glenlivet from Paisley on 11 October 1812 - perhaps as an incomer he felt impelled to preserve traditional information that was rapidly fading from folk memory. Catholics in the OPR Until emancipation, Catholics were obliged by law to marry in the Established Kirk if they were to preserve their civil and property rights. Thus, many Catholic marriages can be detected in the Invera’an OPR throughout the 18th century, although scarce from the mid-1770s on. Surprisingly however, when reviewing the OPR for aliases, entries were found for many known RC families from the Braes - albeit just a single baptism each. This Kirk baptism of their first-born may have been perceived as some protection against a vengeful Kirk Session and the known oppressiveness of the long-serving mid-century Minister. It was hoped that such single baptisms might be a good indicator of RC families - until they also proved to be very common in Protestant areas! An explanation may lie in the 1783 legislation which imposed a 3 pence duty for registering a baptism. Glenlivet RC Censuses There is now on microfilm in Elgin Library Glenlivet Status Animarum (‘State of Souls’), a recently ‘discovered’ manuscript volume whose existence was previously unknown outwith the RC Church. It contains an 1814 census of the entire Catholic community of Glenlivet and Glenrinnes that adds substantially to the information in the Baptism Registers. It also has partial censuses for 1822 and 1834, with a few notes on conversions and deaths. Unlike other Catholic congregations such as Tomintoul, where the status animarum is merely a closely-written, undifferentiated list of names that fills a page or two of the Baptism Register, those for Glenlivet are formally laid out like a national census. By farmtoun and croft, it lists the members of each Catholic household with their family relationships, often quoting ages but less frequently giving occupations. There are occasional insertions of a birth or death date, while for several families, the note “husband/wife Prot.” replaces a spouse name. A small manuscript book Chapeltown Obituaries is also on the microfilm. Summary of Glenlivet This large manuscript volume dated 1761 details the acreages of cornland and pasture for each major holding with its subdivisions and, more importantly, lists the Principal Tacksmen (i.e. main tenants) and the Subtenants of Subsetts (subdivisions of the main tack). The acreages are repeated in the 1774 folio Generall Plan of Glenlivet, a collection of plans showing the arable land and habitations on each of the six Daughs (or divisions) of the Glenlivet estate, with the shealing and peat casting areas identified. An additional ‘New Lands’ plan has vignettes of a dozen farmsteads which, though ostensibly ‘lately taken in to Corn land off the pasture’, from other evidence now appear to have been brought under cultivation around 1720. Gow Manuscript In 1873, John Gow alias Smith wrote this 66-page reminiscence of his life and the people he had known in his youth. Born on the farm of Easter Gaulrig, Braes of Stratha’an, early in the 19th century, he had walked to Dundee as a young man, found work and learnt to read and write, returning to Stratha’an in old age. An appendix to the manuscript listing the 300 or so people who had been living in the Braes of Stratha’an in his youth is now believed from other sources to relate to the 1820s. A page of the manuscript is reproduced in Gregor Willox The Warlock by Richard E McGregor (ANESFHS, 1995). The Sources and where to find them Tomintoul, Glenlivet RC Bapt. Registers - microfilm: Elgin Library, SRO Glenlivet RC Censuses 1814, 1822, 1834 and Chapeltown Obituaries - microfilm: Elgin Library only Gow MS Appendix (1873) - SRO; transcript: ANEFHS, Elgin Library Summary of Glenlivet (1761) - SRO; photocopy: Elgin Library; transcript (Tacksmen etc): ANEFHS Generall Plan of Glenlivet (1774) - SRO; photocopies (A0): Elgin Library redrawn (A4): ANEFHS, Elgin Library Account Books of Donald McPherson - Mr George McPherson, Boharm. Footnote This article is a DIY-reply to my still unanswered Journal query (57/18) two years ago, requesting information about these aliases.......... S Mitchell No. 3195

I have sought and been given permission to forward the following message which I thought might be of interest to some listers. It does explain why some ancestors are so elusive. Lyndall Canberra, Oz > ----- Original Message ----- Subject: [ANGUS] PART 1:HIDDEN FAMILIES - ALIASES AND PATRONYMICS IN UPPER BANFFSHIRE This article was forwarded to me a few months back ,by the writer Stuart Mitchell ,Scotland . With his permission Im able to pass it on. J.McComb-S.California HIDDEN FAMILIES - ALIASES AND PATRONYMICS IN UPPER BANFFSHIRE Genealogical research in pre-1855 Upper Banffshire can be more frustrating than in most other parts of the North East because of the large RC population. The Invera’an and Kirkmichael OPRs - and hence IGI - are virtually silent about them, so are of little help in tracing Catholic ancestors. Although the RC Baptism Registers for Tomintoul and Glenlivet (Tombae and Chapeltown) contain much of the information that is missing from the OPRs, they are accessible on microfilm only in Elgin Library and the Scottish Record Office. Unfortunately, the respective Registers go back only to 1807 and 1812/1829, then once again the familiar blank wall - or so it seemed until recently. Now, not only do two newly-available sources give additional information about early 19th century RC families, but an unexpected ability to look over that blank wall has been provided by apparently unconnected research. This is an investigation of aliases in highland Banffshire, which although still incomplete has led to the identification of ‘hidden families’ in the 17th and early 18th century OPRs. Aliases An ‘alias’ phenomenon flourished in the Upper Banffshire records for nearly a 100 years after its first appearance in 1740. These aliases were very different from those used by the McGregors of Stratha’an and Upper Deeside (forced by the proscription of their clan to shelter under a Gordon, Grant, or other ‘safe’ name) but no memory of them has survived to the present day. They seem to have had a Catholic dimension, for aliases were meticulously recorded in the Glenlivet RC Registers until 1838, long after they had disappeared elsewhere. Indeed, this was effectively so by 1812 when the Tombae Register starts. Until the RC Registers showed just how many early 19th century ‘alias’ families there were in the Braes of Glenlivet, the aliases in the Invera’an OPR had appeared to be random and of little interest. After that first record on 1st April 1740 (the baptism of James, son of John Miller alias Grant) OPR alias entries became increasingly frequent until the mid-1770s. They then fell away sharply and the last two were recorded in 1794 and 1806. That sudden decline coincided with the disappearance from OPR of baptism records for RC Braes families that signalled the first lifting of Catholic repression in Invera’an. This increases the likelihood of an RC connection for most aliases, as does the very much lower incidence round Protestant Ballindalloch than in the Catholic Braes. RC Baptism Registers Although aliases were particularly prevalent amongst Grants, Stuarts, McPhersons and McDonalds, many of these names were unembellished - one third of Stuart families in the Glenlivet RC Registers 1812-1838 were ‘non-alias’. It quickly became clear that as an alias carried from one generation to the next, defining a specific descent line within the broad family name, it was actually a genealogical patronymic. The children of ‘alias’ families, took the patronymic of their father, never of their mother - a maternal alias was not carried on, even when the father did not have one. While entries in the records usually took the form ‘Family alias Patronymic ’ (often entered simply as ‘Family/Patronymic’ without the word ‘alias’), this was occasionally reversed for families such as Turner alias Grant. The majority of the aliases in the Glenlivet RC Records also occur in OPR, though usually as the stand-alone patronymic. Stuart alias More/Moir*; McAllay/M’Lea*; Bain*; Dow*; Gibbnach Grant alias Roy*; McRobie*; Bowie*; Turner*; McArthur; Bain McPherson alias McUlly/McWillie*; Garrow*; McInnes; Gall McIntosh alias Riach* (only two individuals, but common in Kirkmichael) McDonald alias McAllister* Gordon alias McRitchie (single family) Smith alias Gow* (all families) * These also occur in OPR, usually as the stand-alone patronymic. Aliases in the Glenlivet RC Records, 1812-1838 Because of its gaelic origins and environment, the Upper Banffshire patronymic Moir was pronounced ‘more’ not ‘moy-er’, so is not directly related to the well-known lowland Aberdeenshire surname. Aliases in OPR As most of the other aliases in OPR occur only two or three times each, they must represent individual small families - for some of whom it may have been a single-generation by-name not a true patronymic. Only the Mitchell, Cameron and perhaps McKenzie aliases were sufficiently prolific to represent larger groupings - the multiple baptism entries for the Mitchell alias McAndy families in the Ballindalloch area, indicating that they were Protestant (see next page): Stuart alias McGurman, McOmash, Darg (Kirkmichael & Mortlach only) Grant alias Cly, Miller, Tailzeor, McShewan, McAdam, McComish McPherson alias Moir, McOmie (Aberlour), Doulle (Kirkmichael, Mortlach only) Mitchell alias McAndy° (also Invernochty) Cameron alias McPhail°, Bain McPhail alias Gauld McKenzie alias Kynach° Shaw alias Roy McIntosh alias Smith Innes alias Jay Fleming alias Arrach Bayne alias Cuming Grigorach alias McGregor Duff alias McKay McDonald alias Couper ° These occur as both alias and stand-alone patronymic. Aliases Occurring Only in OPR, 1740-1794 Families Revealed While the alias phenomenon helps to rationalise the very many Grant and Stuart families in Glenlivet by splitting them into more manageable patronymic groups, this is a relatively minor benefit. Its real value is in identifying many pre-1740 OPR entries as Grants, Stuarts, McPhersons etc., who had previously been ‘hidden’ behind patronymics. With a few exceptions, most patronymics disappeared in a general resumption of the basic family names at the end of the alias period. Some Grants, McIntoshes and McPhersons chose to retain their patronymic in preference to the family name, but More/Moir and M’Lea vanished except for sporadic records in adjoining parishes like Mortlach and Aberlour. Although superficially there appear to be few aliases in Kirkmichael OPR and the Tomintoul RC Baptism Register (both have still to be surveyed in detail), evidence that they were still quite common in early 19th century Kirkmichael comes from the Appendix to the Gow Manuscript. This shows aliases for a third of the 60 families (300 individuals) resident in the Braes of Stratha’an in the 1820s: Stewart alias More, Bain, Gault Grant alias “Germany” McPherson alias Doole, Bain, More McGregor alias Willox, More, Bain (plus two families of non-alias Riach) Aliases in the Braes of Stratha’an, 1820s (Gow MS) continue-part 2

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Charles Gordon was parish minister of Assynt in 1829 -in 1843 he went into the Free Church. In September 1829 Donald Gordon was admitted minister at the Parliamentary Church of Stoer in Assynt. Stoer was one of many "extra" churches built in the Highlands by Government funds. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: Judy Meibusch [mailto:raigmore@tmba.design.net.au] Sent: 27 March 2001 09:35 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Minister for Assynt ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* I wondered if anyone on the list may know who would have been the minister for Assynt around 1829? Many thanks Judy M Sunny Qld ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Thomas, I can certainly understand your feelings regarding this matter. I purchased the family tree maker program and with it was the offer of a free space with them to feature my 'family tree'.....so being an innocent at the time, I created a family tree page with them on their site, only to find a year later that they had taken my whole family tree, put it on cd and SOLD IT!!! and are still doing so!!! Now just to brighten your day Thomas, the laugh is on them, because at the time that I created that site I had some misinformation and major mistakes on my tree which have since been corrected, however the cds that they are selling of my tree information are INCORRECT.........I deleted that family tree site and even though I contacted them to say that the previous information was incorrect and should not be sold to people, they continue to do so. CAUTION should always be taken when you are posting your information as you must be aware that ANYONE can receive it, copy it, and use it and yes, even SELL IT! Once your information is sent, it is considered public domain. I do understand completely your anger, it is an unfair practice. I do believe message boards and mailing lists serve their purpose and can be a valuable resource, but one should exercise caution in how much information you post. Linda Webmaster Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Macpherson" <Tomacph@btinternet.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 3:01 PM Subject: WARNING > Though you all might be interested in this one > > Tom > > This was received from a person on another list that I am on, and was > written by someone on that list. We were asked to forward it on to other > lists. > > "Ethics:" > Hi everyone. This came as a message from the listowner for the Rockingham, > New Hamspshire list that I belong to. I thought everyone ought to see what > is going on. Mr. Marston has asked that we send this along to the lists we > belong to so I am doing so. Please read the whole message to see what is > going on. I think at the very least we ought to take it as a warning and a > reminder that not all we find is correct information and just use it as a > tool to look further. > > Lee Neilsen in Eastern Utah > > ************************* > Dick Marston wrote: > > Listers: > > I have naively included a link to GenForum for those wishing to post and > respond to Rockingham and Marston surname queries. Furthermore, I have > innocently posted several responses on those forums. Today, I have amended > the link on Rockingham's Queries Index Page to read as follows: > **If you want still another place to search and post, try the Rockingham > County message board on[genforum.genealogy.com/nh/rockingham/ ] > WARNING!! Any information which you share on GenForum's message boards may > be copied by Genealogy.com [/FamilyTreeMaker.com] and sold by them for > profit either as data included on a monthly/annual subscription or as a CD > for purchase. Much of this information is totally unreliable. Caveat emptor > [Buyer beware]. In order to see what, if any, information Genealogy.com has > acquired from your voluntary contributions, you will first need to subscribe > to their service available to paying members only.** > I am SO angry I could spit!! Until I started checking up on this fiasco > about my father's pedigree, I had NO clue that Genealogy.com was doing this. > I want to declare WAR! I can't get through to their leaders, but I sure > would like to get through to their potential customers and unwitting > voluntary contributors. > Please feel free to copy and paste [or send] this warning wherever, or to > whomever, you think might do the most good. You may post it as your own > message or as a quote from me, whichever you prefer. > Your help will be greatly appreciated." > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Hi Christine, You have a really great site there, I just went and checked it out again and found you have quite an array of information. I also really like that picture of Dunrobin Castle, it's calming. Thanks Robin researching Gibson and MacKay -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, March 27, 2001 2:32 AM Subject: Member sites >Hi >I am putting up a new links page on the site. If any members of this list >have their own sites with genealogical information or family trees, >photographs of Sutherland or any other interesting aspect, and would like a >link put in place please send me details soon. > >Best wishes >Christine >chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk > >Highland Hearts >http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! >http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Extract from The Northern Times (and Weekly Journal for Sutherland and the North) 16 March 2001: Mr Alan Lannon, headmaster of Thurso's Miller Academy, to give a talk in Golspie about family history, including "his own maternal family, the Melvilles, who lived in Strathbrora in 1670, long before the coming of the Great Sheep. Mr Lannon has researched the fortunes of the family over several generations, tracing as many as 2700 connected names in his quest of this ubiquitous tribe. "I have got back as far as 1730 with my own family in the Doll area, but I have a reference to a John Melville paying Hearth Tax somewhere above Carrol 60 years before that." Others lived up the Blackwater above Balnacoil at a place called Crislich and that family, cleared in 1820, ended up in Edinburgh and then in Australia." Malcolm Bangor-Jones

Seeking a John McKAY born in Lairg, SUT. According to the 1851 census. . His age on census was 46 years old. I checked Parish #53 [Lairg]. John born ... plenty of John but not many to choose from after the naming pattern had sorted them out. My John named his 1st son Walter and 2nd son Alexander. Alexander died in infancy and the next son born 2 years later was again named Alexander. I'm inclined to think that perhaps Walter was his grandfather and the name of his father was Alexander. The only Alexander showing up for a John was on 23rd May 1797.....looks as though I'm a couple years out ... Is there anybody who could make head or tail out of the above .... I just can't make it happen. What I need is someone to claim the above as 'theirs'! [ideally]. Please feel free to suggest or correct ..... anything that might help.

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Interesting stuff!! Just thought I would mention for the record that ( at least in the areaof the Potteries) in 17th century, it was not uncommon to use an Alias for an illegitimate child. e.g. John Baker alias Mason.bpt May 5 1633 son of Mary This meant John's mother is Mary Baker and we want everyone to know that John Mason made her pregnant and won't marry her. This alias designation is used (by the Parish church anyway, at marriage and again at death ). Liz

Hello all, A note to thank you all for your help and to let you know that I've found the beginings of my Murray line in Canada. It appears that I'm not related to James Murray of the "Hector" after all (at least not directly), as I was told. I found my GGgrandfather in the 1871 census of Pictou county and it shows him as being born in Scotland in 1793 or 1794. If anyone out there is related to: John Murray, b 1793 / 1794 in Scotland married in 1835 to: Jane Irvine, b 1814 / 1815 in Scotland children: James, b 1837 in N.S. Mercer, b 1840 / 1841 in N.S. Margaret, b 1845 / 1846 in N.S. Charles C., b 1846 / 1847 in N.S. John D., b 1848 / 1849 in N.S. William, b 1851 / 1852 in N.S. then please contact me. I even have a photo of James and also one of Mercer. This is just the beginning. Ivan

Liz, BINGO!!! Thanks so much for that valuable information! That gives me so much more to work with. What a rush! Ivan

Another useful book from NS Archives - Marriages and Deaths from Pictou County--too many to transcribe but here are a few MURRAY marriages and I picked out some of the oldies with Hector/Sutherland connections from the deaths. Marriages: Alex MURRAY to Nancy MACDONALD both of Middle river by Rev C Elliot at Middle River Colonial Patriot 19 Jan 1833 Ann MURRAY of River John to Alex BROWN of 8 Mile Brook by Rev JohnMckinley Col.Pat 2 April 1833 Donald MURRAY of New Lairg to Ann FRASER of Middle River by Rev John McRae Col Pat 26 Jan 1833 p.15 IS THIS NEXT ONE YOUR LOT , IVAN?? John MURRAY of New Rhynie to Jane IRVINE of Mount Thom by Rev JohnMckinley The Bee 26 August 1835 p111 John MURRAY to Nancy MORRISON at Caribou by rev KJ McKenzie Col Pat 24 Sept 1831 William MURRAY to Margaret MACDONALD both of Merigomish by Rev Charles Elliot Pictou Observer 14 March 1832 p 43 Alexander MCKNAB (sic) to Isabella MURRAY both of East River by Rev Mitchell Col Pat 14 Jan 1829 Deaths: William BANNERMAN native of Sutherlandshire, Scotland in his 75th year The Bee 29 March1837 p 359 Capt John James MURRAY Master of schooner "Margraate and Helen" at Saint John (sic) Newfoundland. Formerly of East Branch River John in his 28th year Col Pat 13 June 1833 p 99 Mary MURRAY daughter of John MURRAY Aged 15 months the Bee 20 Dec 1837 p247 Alexander CAMERON. "At Loch Broom on Monday morning last, Alexander CAMERON, senior, in the 103rd year of his age. He was a native of Loch Broom in Rosshire , Scotland and emigrated to this Province in 1773. He has left an aged widow, 8 children, 68 grand and 21 great grandchildren to lament his loss Col Pat 20 Aug 1831. Alexander CAMERON at Loch Broom in his 76 year. Came to N.S in 1773 from Rosshire, Scotland The Bee 2 Dec 1835 p223 Alexander CAMERON at Mount Thom in his 48th year leaving a widow and 7 children The Pictou Observer 19 Sept 1832 p151 Allan CAMERON at Loch Broom in his 74th year. He came to Nova Scotia in 1802 Col Pat 28 May 1833 p 87 Mrs Janet CAMERON widow of Alex, Snr of Loch Broom in her 86th year Married twice and left 9 children, 76 grandchildren and 29 great grandchildren Col Pat 17 Dec 1831 Donald CAMPBELL at West River- a native of Sutherlandshire The Bee 9 Dec 1835 Hugh FRASER at the East River in his 86th year "He was one of those who emigrated to Pictou in 1772(sic) before a tree was cut in the district. 12 of his fellow passengers attended the funeral" Nova Scotian 3 Aug 1826 p283 Isabella GUNN- daughter of Donald GUNN , Mount Thom and a native of Golspie, Sutherlandshire and spouse of Alexander MCDONALD, Mount Thom in her 24th year Pictou Observer 4 Feb 1834 p 19 Robert GUNN at Rogers Hill in his 67th year A native of Kildonald, Sutherlandshire Pictou Observer 27 May 1834 p 83 George LOGAN Snr in his 87th year at Hardwood Hill- a native of Sutherlandshire Pictou Observer 4 March 1834 p 35 Lauchlin McINNON fought at Battle of Culloden .lost 2 brothers in battle in 1773. He leaves widow aged 90 was near 110 years old. He died in Montreal. (He did not come on Hector) The Bee 17 Feb 1836 p311 Christy MCKAY Mrs widow of John MACKAY formerley of parish of Golspie in her 77 year at Mill Brook Pictou Observer 28 Mar 1832 p 51 Hugh MACKAY at Golspie Scotland formerly of Pictou aged 32 Pictou Observer 25 April 1832 p 67 Roderick MCKAY East River in his 84th year He was a passenger on the Hector Col Pat 25 Nov 1829 William MACKAY in his 75th year -a native of Sutherlandshire Pictou Observer 22 Feb 1832 p 31 Murdock MACKENZIE Jr. at Saltsprings in his 38th year A native of Loch Broom N.Britain Pictou Observer 6 July 1831 p 35 Wm MACKENZIE at Barneys River in his 62nd year A native of Sutherlandshire. Mackenzie obtained a pastor and a library for Barneys River P.O. 20 May 1834 p 79 To be continued Liz