Hi Amanda Although you say there were 15 Donald Sutherlands born in Scotland in the year 1779 there were only four born in Sutherland around that period. Do not look at 1779 only as most of our ancestors seem to have lost or gained a couple of years during their lifetime!! Go to the IGI - put in his name and choose birth - then choose 5 years either side of 1779 - hit British Isles, Scotland, Sutherland and you will see that there were only two in Clyne. As Donald returned to Clyne I think he may well have come from there. Have a look anyway. By private email I have sent you the email address of the other researcher on your family. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Amanda Gibson [mailto:agibson@tooltech.net.au] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 3:07 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Donald Sutherland Hi all, I'm still on the hunt for my elusive parents of Donald Sutherland. Donald (b. 1779 d. 1878 Clyne, Milton, Sutherland) was the father of Jane (Jean) Sutherland (b. circa 1817 Hudson Bay, Canada) and WIlliam Sutherland (I have no birth date but believe he was also born in Hudson Bay and moved to Scotland with his sister when his father returned). I don't have any extracts for Donald but he does appear in Census records and 15 Donald Sutherlands were born in Scotland in the year 1779 - don't you just love popular names!! Both Donald and Jane (Jean) appear on Christine's Highland Hearts CD (G293) and she is definitely Donald's daughter not Alexander's. Also, Christine, for your info... If your Ref G337 (and G301) is Jemima (Jamima) Grant daughter of Jane above and James Grant then I have her birth date as 16 June 1842, she emigrated to New Zealand but I can't find details of the ship she was on. I have her death recorded as occurring in 1917 in New Zealand. I have been told there is a woman in New Zealand who is a descendant of hers and who has started researching, but as yet I have not been able to get contact details. Also your Ref G171 I have that Donald Grant dying in 1919. Looking forward to hearing anything!! Regards Amanda Brisbane, Australia ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

In a message dated 31/03/2001 20:34:48 GMT Daylight Time, robinvb@home.com writes: << The last name in question is Jestings, at first we thought the name was from Scotland but I am quite sure that it is not. While searching the IGI the name Jestings come's up only 6 time's, but on the same page of the IGI there are other name's that are quite similar but may have some small spelling differences ie: Jestyn, Jesting, Gestin etc. There are at least 30 variations to choose from, how does one go about finding the original spelling. >> I have a similar situation in my direct family line of FOWLER which has at least ten variations through the line both in spelling and pronounciation. As most of the early records of any name will be phonetic attempts at best - never forget that Shakespeare spelled his own name at least three different ways and Robert Burns' father was William Burnes - there will be no correct version as such only the version that any given clerk or minister chose to use on any given day. It can be well into the nineteenth century , with the increase in general literacy and education, before some spellings of surnames settle down into what we might call the accepted or received version. The simple answer I suppose would be to say that the earliest version you can find is the original version and everything after that is a variation. I enjoy the challenge and the variety. This family history game wouldn't be as much fun if our ancestors had all played by our rules. A' the best to you and yours Jim Fowler Gateshead UK http://members.aol.com/chieflymurder

ok figured i would join the roll call so here it goes my gt grandmother wa Mary Kelman Stewart born in 1888 at Nicholas Aberdeen Scotland daughter of John Stewart and Elizabeth Kelman so far i havent found any siblings for mary and i have been able to trace Johns death. John Stewart was born at Nedd Sutherland 1856 son of Alexander Stewart and Margaret Kerr....(siblings Donald, William, John,John, Margaret) I was unable to find any details of Alexanders birth but his death was in 1885 he was 72...son of Donald STewart and Janet Morrison he died at Nedd assynt Donald Stuart/Stewart born around 1787 the only info i have is from the 1841 for donald and it says he was born in this country...not much help grrrr he married Jannet Morrison in 1810 with that contract that i previously posted my brick wall is findin where donald was born and his parents...i have heard that all the Stewarts from Nedd were descended from one who came up from appin ...in the late 1770's ....but i have not yet been able to prove this ...any ideas of what i should do next ??? thankin u Michele

Hi Christine I know this is an of the topic question and I'm sorry for it but I have asked you this question because you are certainly quite knowledgeable about genealogy Sorry if my explanation of the name's and variations was hard to understand, I just couldn't think of how to explain the problem, so I hope I get it right this time. The last name in question is Jestings, at first we thought the name was from Scotland but I am quite sure that it is not. While searching the IGI the name Jestings come's up only 6 time's, but on the same page of the IGI there are other name's that are quite similar but may have some small spelling differences ie: Jestyn, Jesting, Gestin etc. There are at least 30 variations to choose from, how does one go about finding the original spelling. Thank-You Robin -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:03 PM Subject: RE: Gosh it is quiet >Do you mean the correct form of a name? Not clear what you mean - give some >examples? >Christine > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robin VanBelleghem [mailto:robinvb@home.com] >Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 9:22 PM >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: Gosh it is quiet > >Hi All > >Your right Christine it is awfully quite, I'm still waiting and hoping some >information will come through for me on Donald Gibson, and periodically I >stick my nose in and try to help someone else. But I noticed there hasn't >even been many people on the mailing list. Say Christine how do you find out >what an original last name is, if you there is about 30 different variations >of it. Any Idea's > >Robin >-----Original Message----- >From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:41 PM >Subject: Gosh it is quiet > > >>Hi list >>We have even more new members on this list now. They will be thinking it >>has gone to sleep! >>For those of us in Britain I read today that the 2001 census forms will be >>delivered to us all soon. I also read somewhere that it would be a good >>idea to photocopy the completed form when you have filled it in and file it >>away with your birth certificates, etc. Save our descendants hunting for >us >>the way we hunt for our ancestors! >>Oh if only some of mine had done this!! >> >>Best wishes >>Christine >>chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk >> >>Highland Hearts >>http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> >> >> >>--- >>Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >>Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >>Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 >> >> >>==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >>You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You >can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ >> >>============================== >>Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases >>http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp >>Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! >> > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You >can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > >--- >Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Hi All, I'm fairly new to genealogy, and would like to know what the IGI is in the last couple of messages? Is it International Genealogical Index? Thank you Darthy -----Original Message----- From: Robin VanBelleghem <robinvb@home.com> To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Date: March 31, 2001 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Gosh it is quiet >Hi Christine > >I know this is an of the topic question and I'm sorry for it but I have >asked you this question because you are certainly quite knowledgeable about >genealogy >Sorry if my explanation of the name's and variations was hard to understand, >I just couldn't think of how to explain the problem, so I hope I get it >right this time. The last name in question is Jestings, at first we thought >the name was from Scotland but I am quite sure that it is not. While >searching the IGI the name Jestings come's up only 6 time's, but on the same >page of the IGI there are other name's that are quite similar but may have >some small spelling differences ie: Jestyn, Jesting, Gestin etc. There are >at least 30 variations to choose from, how does one go about finding the >original spelling. > >Thank-You >Robin > >-----Original Message----- >From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >Date: Saturday, March 31, 2001 1:03 PM >Subject: RE: Gosh it is quiet > > >>Do you mean the correct form of a name? Not clear what you mean - give >some >>examples? >>Christine >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Robin VanBelleghem [mailto:robinvb@home.com] >>Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 9:22 PM >>To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: Re: Gosh it is quiet >> >>Hi All >> >>Your right Christine it is awfully quite, I'm still waiting and hoping some >>information will come through for me on Donald Gibson, and periodically I >>stick my nose in and try to help someone else. But I noticed there hasn't >>even been many people on the mailing list. Say Christine how do you find >out >>what an original last name is, if you there is about 30 different >variations >>of it. Any Idea's >> >>Robin >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> >>To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >>Date: Friday, March 30, 2001 2:41 PM >>Subject: Gosh it is quiet >> >> >>>Hi list >>>We have even more new members on this list now. 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It gets worse - in the Tombstone Inscriptions for Sutherland there is in that book at Lairg a Chris Daniel - I wrote it down Christopher Daniel thinking this child was male - with a middle name like Daniel I suppose it was logical - a descendant of the family later pointed out to me that this was a Christina Daniel Murray! Oh dear, can't get it right every time! On a present day scenario my name is Christine but I am quite happy with Chris - however, over the years I have received so many letter addressed to Mr Chris that I now use Christine whenever I write my name! Christine -----Original Message----- From: Jimfowler3@aol.com [mailto:Jimfowler3@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 7:42 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Given name Christian In a message dated 31/03/2001 07:21:58 GMT Daylight Time, chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk writes: << On the subject of names has anyone noticed that the IGI uses the name Christian as a separate name from Christine or Christina? >> It is also worth noting that Christian is a non-gender specific name. I have both female and male Christians in various branches of the family tree and for a long while I had one distant ancestor listed as female simply by taking the name at face value and not examining the details. A' the best to you and yours Jim Fowler Gateshead UK http://members.aol.com/chieflymurder ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Mary Ann How far back do these Electoral rolls go? Christine -----Original Message----- From: Mary-Ann Farr [mailto:maryannf@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 11:13 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Hello from NZ Hi all Just thought I would put my piece in seeing as we are talking about the census. At least historians are starting to see the value in the census returns in New Zealand. For the first time ever, they are telling people the forms will be kept for 100 years and then could be published. Anyone can ask that their details are not published - unlucky for someone. All previous years census in NZ have been destroyed. However, we have our electoral rolls - everyone over the age of 18, (used to be 21) have to register to vote and everytime you change your address at the post office your details are amended. This roll is published every 4 years so it is a very valuable source of info. Thats all from me for now. Regards Mary-Ann Farr ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Hi all, I'm still on the hunt for my elusive parents of Donald Sutherland. Donald (b. 1779 d. 1878 Clyne, Milton, Sutherland) was the father of Jane (Jean) Sutherland (b. circa 1817 Hudson Bay, Canada) and WIlliam Sutherland (I have no birth date but believe he was also born in Hudson Bay and moved to Scotland with his sister when his father returned). I don't have any extracts for Donald but he does appear in Census records and 15 Donald Sutherlands were born in Scotland in the year 1779 - don't you just love popular names!! Both Donald and Jane (Jean) appear on Christine's Highland Hearts CD (G293) and she is definitely Donald's daughter not Alexander's. Also, Christine, for your info... If your Ref G337 (and G301) is Jemima (Jamima) Grant daughter of Jane above and James Grant then I have her birth date as 16 June 1842, she emigrated to New Zealand but I can't find details of the ship she was on. I have her death recorded as occurring in 1917 in New Zealand. I have been told there is a woman in New Zealand who is a descendant of hers and who has started researching, but as yet I have not been able to get contact details. Also your Ref G171 I have that Donald Grant dying in 1919. Looking forward to hearing anything!! Regards Amanda Brisbane, Australia

Hello Listers, What are your suggestions on what the given name KET is short for on the IGI. You may confirm what my (biased) interpretation has been for many years. Regards, Ray Wigraft rwigraft@melbpc.org.au Melbourne, Victoria Australia

Yes Sara I could go along with that. In 1841 the Murray men of Dornoch all 'vanished' - it was said that they slept the night in the heather rather than give their personal details! If we all 'did a bunk' would save paper - I understand the new census form is 'like a book'! Christine -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:Sethomas@btinternet.com] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 7:23 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Gosh it is quiet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: Gosh it is quiet > I also read somewhere that it would be a good > idea to photocopy the completed form when you have filled it in and file it > away with your birth certificates, etc. Save our descendants hunting for us > the way we hunt for our ancestors! > Oh if only some of mine had done this!! Nonsense, Christine --- you *love* looking for your ancestors! I fully intend to be somewhere quite unexpected on census day --- possibly on a train between Cardiff and the most northerly point to which a train now goes in Scotland, which is --- where? Or we could all swop houses for the day?? (The younger generation has it all too easy already etc. etc. grumble grumble.) Sara ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

I looked at these names and struggled with them. On the 1881 census there is no Alexander McLaren or Maclaren in Sutherland or his sister Elizabeth. There are a number of alexander MacLaren entries around Inverness and Fife. There is a Elizabeth McLaren at Latherone, aged 22, with her widowed mother Betsy, aged 57. They are living in Main Street, Latheron, Caithness and were both born there. There is no Alexander McLaren born on the date you give anywhere in Scotland on the IGI. There is one born 11 June to Alexander McLaren and Annie Taylor Bell in Edinburgh but they did not have an Elizabeth. Looked at William Harris Clyburne and this appears to be either an Irish or Yorkshire name. Those are the two areas which dominate the name on the IGI. There was not a single Clyburne in the Highlands of Scotland in 1881. So did not do very well! They are not in my closet - just trying to be helpful. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ken Henderson [mailto:ken.henderson@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 11:16 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Let's try another direction Since my Hendersons from Kildonan came to a brick wall, let's try another direction. William MacDonald born 1783 Reay Parish married Barbara Cameron Family: George, John, Elizabeth, Margaret, William and Alexander Alexander MacLaren born June 20, 1862 sister Elizabeth William Harris Clyburne Are any of these hiding in your closet? Ken H ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Hi Lynn Lots of luck in the new job - hard going back after so long. Enjoy it. We will hear from you when you have time. Christine I just wanted to let those who are interested in the Sutherland families that emigrated to Zorra that I am still working on an "original list" of people who came here in 1829. I started a new job last week. I am a nurse and have gone back to working in a hospital after a 20 year absence of raising children, farming etc so my spare time right now is limited. Hopefully I will soon be able to get back to the Zorra people. Sorry I can not be of more help right now. Lynn ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 8:41 PM Subject: Gosh it is quiet > I also read somewhere that it would be a good > idea to photocopy the completed form when you have filled it in and file it > away with your birth certificates, etc. Save our descendants hunting for us > the way we hunt for our ancestors! > Oh if only some of mine had done this!! Nonsense, Christine --- you *love* looking for your ancestors! I fully intend to be somewhere quite unexpected on census day --- possibly on a train between Cardiff and the most northerly point to which a train now goes in Scotland, which is --- where? Or we could all swop houses for the day?? (The younger generation has it all too easy already etc. etc. grumble grumble.) Sara

Ket, Kit, Kate, Katy - all forms of Catherine. Different spellings abound: Catherine, Catharine, Katherine, Katharine, Kathrain, Kathraine. Gaelic equivalent, Catrine, Ceit. How would you pronounce Ceit? Is it possible that it sounds like Ket? Hopefully someone will know. Areas seem to have had their favourites - there are lots of Ket in Lairg. Kathrain is popular around Kildonan and Farr. On the subject of names has anyone noticed that the IGI uses the name Christian as a separate name from Christine or Christina? I am fairly certain they used to treat them all as one name but just recently when unable to find what I was looking for under Christina I typed in Christian and got my answer! Our ancestors were not consistent with their use of given names. My own family contains more than one Christine - shown on the Rogart register as Christina, born; on her marriage she is Christian; on the births of her children she was Christine, Christina, Christy and her grave stone shows her as Christian! Be interesting to hear if Ceit sounds like Ket. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ray Wigraft [mailto:rwigraft@melbpc.org.au] Sent: Saturday, March 31, 2001 12:29 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SUT: Given name KET Hello Listers, What are your suggestions on what the given name KET is short for on the IGI. You may confirm what my (biased) interpretation has been for many years. Regards, Ray Wigraft rwigraft@melbpc.org.au Melbourne, Victoria Australia ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Thanks for the effort Christine, all pieces of the puzzle helps. Ken H

In a message dated 31/03/2001 07:21:58 GMT Daylight Time, chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk writes: << On the subject of names has anyone noticed that the IGI uses the name Christian as a separate name from Christine or Christina? >> It is also worth noting that Christian is a non-gender specific name. I have both female and male Christians in various branches of the family tree and for a long while I had one distant ancestor listed as female simply by taking the name at face value and not examining the details. A' the best to you and yours Jim Fowler Gateshead UK http://members.aol.com/chieflymurder

I just wanted to let those who are interested in the Sutherland families that emigrated to Zorra that I am still working on an "original list" of people who came here in 1829. I started a new job last week. I am a nurse and have gone back to working in a hospital after a 20 year absence of raising children, farming etc so my spare time right now is limited. Hopefully I will soon be able to get back to the Zorra people. Sorry I can not be of more help right now. Lynn

The Plain Dealer ran from May 12 1880 until taken over June 29 1881. Margaret MURRAY d/o Robert of Achaverch, mar Durmach, S'shire Scot married 11 inst Isaac HENDERSON Three mile House by Rev J Carruthers at West River Road The Plain Dealer 19 Jan 1881 John Dixon MURRAY died 10th ult at West Merigomish aged 4 mos son of John and Catherine Murray PD 9 Feb 1881 Elizabeth Barclay MURRAY died 25th ult. at New Lairg in her 91st year widow of Alexander MURRAY PD 11 May 1881 Duncan MURRAY died 16th inst. at Back meadows in 77th year native of Sutherlandshire Plain Dealer 23 June 1880 Her's another oldy MERIGOMISH CEMETERY (Brownsville behind St Pauls Presbyterian Church) Robert MURRAY 1792-1884 w/f Isabella 1802-1886 Robert 1830-1842 Cheers thats all for quite a while. Liz

Hi list We have even more new members on this list now. They will be thinking it has gone to sleep! For those of us in Britain I read today that the 2001 census forms will be delivered to us all soon. I also read somewhere that it would be a good idea to photocopy the completed form when you have filled it in and file it away with your birth certificates, etc. Save our descendants hunting for us the way we hunt for our ancestors! Oh if only some of mine had done this!! Best wishes Christine chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Everyone seems to be in a decline so perhaps we can find something to get excited about in this lot Pictou Early Marriages and deaths Part 2 Jane McLELLAN died at East River wife of James McLellan in her 83rd year." one of the first settlers and one of the passengers of the ship 'Hector'" Colonial Patriot 28 Jan 1829 William McKAY at East River in his 97th year. He came on the Hector and left 19 children , 98 grandchildren and 14 great children Colonial Patriot 7 Mar 1828 p.110 My goodness they knew how to procreate back then... must have been the lack of TV in the winter months! Seems to have resulted in a long life . Colin MacKENZIE in his 108th year at Pictou The Nova Scotian 12 Oct 1825 p 231 according to that he was born in 1717 and was 56 in 1773 ( if he came in Hector which was not claimed) Hector MacQUARRY at Scotch hill in his 88 yea .Emigrated from Scotland in 1791 and leaves 10 children 67 grandchildren and 28 great grandchildren. Col. Pat. 14 Mar 1828 p 119 John MATHESON at Rogers Hill in his 66th year. He was a passenger in the Hector Surprise surprise!!! The Bee 21 Feb 1838 p 315 and 28 Feb 1838 p 323 John ROSS at McLennans Brook after a long illness. He came from Scotland in 1831 Pictou Observer 22 Feb 1832 p 31 Mrs Margaret ROSS wife of Wm ROSS of Margarie in her 27th year leaves a husband and 4 children She ws a daughter of Capt. George McKAY formerly of Arichliney of Sutherlandshire The Bee 27 April 1836 p 391 Duncan URQUHART , native of Sutherlandshire Scotland in his 80th year at Toney River The Bee 4 Jan 1837 p 262 John URQUHART in his 60th year at Mount Thom. Native of Rosshire, Scot. who emigrated in 1801. He was one of first settlers at Mt Thom The Bee 7 Dec 1836 p 231 Entries in Presbyterian Witness Vital Stats Alex MURRAY married Mary FRASER both of Middle River on 22 ult. by Rev. Geo Patterson at Middle River Pres.Wit. Sat Mar 3 1855 Vol VIII #9 P 35 Alex MURRAY of Rogers hill married Eliz. TAYLOR of West Branch of River John on 20th inst. by Rev. M. Sutherland at Pictou.Pres.Wit. Sat 29 Dec 1855 Vol VIII # 52 p 207 Christiana MURRAY died 20 Feb at Earltown aged 80 years w/f of Alex MURRAY native of Sutherlanshire Scot. emigrated in 1845 PresWit Sat 14 Mar 1857 Vol X #10 p 39 Christiana MURRAY died at Earltown 30 July aged 46 years wife of William MURRAY PresWit Sat 12 Aug 1854 Vol VII # 32 p 127 Donald MURRAY married Elizabeth Mary eldest dau, of John Trider on wed 18th inst by Rev J Martin PW Sat 21 Sep 1850 Vol III #38 p 301 Donald MURRAY of West Branch of River John m. Jane SUTHERLAND of Earltown on 12 inst by Rev M Sutherland PW Sat 22 Mar 1856 Vol IX #12 P 47 Elizabeth Fraser MURRAY (dau of John MURRAY, Pictou ) married Wm Henry CAMPBELL of Scotland on Tuesday 3 July by Ven. Archdeacon at Belmont PW Sat 14 July 1849 Vol II # 28 p 224 Mrs Elizabeth MURRAY died Sat last in her 57 year PW Sat 12 Sep 1857 Vol X #36 p 143 (R) Here's one for you Sheila! I think we had the date already but I'm not sure. Jane MURRAY of Merigomish NS married on 4th inst. William MURRAY of Great Narrows , Merchant by Rev Matthew Wilson at Sydney Mines PW Sat 29 Jan 1853 Vol VI #5 p 35 William was the son of William son of Robert Murray of Fleurchary, Rogart and the father of the longest serving Premier of Nova Scotia... 29 years in office. George MURRAY of East Branch River John married 5th inst Catherine dau of Murdock MACKENZIE, Back Meadows by Rev Sutherland Pw Sat 21 Apr 1855 Vol VIII #16 p 63 Alex MACKENZIE Snr died Sun 18 May at Wallace Cove native of Lewis, Rosshire Scotland PW Sat 14 jun 1851 Vol IV #24 p 187 Catherine MACKENZIE second dau of late Alex MacKENZIE formerly of Crosbost Isle of Lewis Scot. m. Thomas ROSS of Cariboo River 5th inst by Rev J Munro at Wallace Cove PW Sat 8 Sep 1855 Vol VIII#36 p143 Hope this helps someone Liz