Are there any Criech Kirk Session records available? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 8:26 AM Subject: RE: SUT - CLUNES Christine wrote > We are currently having trouble finding the Rogart Kirk Session records. I > do believe that at least some of the Dornoch Kirk Session records are at the > Scottish Record Office.

Hi Judy I am replying to your email about your families. My James Rose McKay was born on 18 June 1819 to 1822 and was, according to his enlistment records in the 71st Highland Light Infantry Regiment in 1835 from the Parish of Dornoch. Not 100% sure of date of birth as he seemed to vary his birthdate according to needs. According to family bible his father was Alexander McKay and mother Anne Sutherland. Alexander died in 1852 (where I don't have the faintest idea) and Anne in 1826. Anyway, there must be some reason why Rose appears as his middle name I just haven't unearthed it yet. James came to Lachine, Lower Canada in 1835 with the Regiment. He was discharged in Montreal in 1838 and in 1839 married Mary Peck. Mary and he had two sons, Alexander born 1843 and James born 1845, both in Odelltown which is now in Quebec. Mary died in 1845. In 1848 he remarried Elizabeth Barbour in Woodstock, East Zorra township, Oxford, Ontario Anyway, everyone is probably getting tired of reading this story again, but you mention many of the family names that may connect. Put away in a box somewhere and who knows there might be a connection later on down the track. Regards from Christchurch, NewZealand Mary-Ann Farr judy rogers wrote: > > Hi All, > > Just reposting my family interests. The first being the family of ALEXANDER > SUTHERLAND. He was born February 1756 Golspie and in December 1785 married > MARON MCKAY (MACKAY) in Dornoch. Maron died July 1830 at Birichen, Dornoch. > They had the following children: > > David born 1785 Dornoch . > James born 1790 Dornoch. > John born 1791 Dornoch, > Margaret born 1793 Dornoch. > John born 1795 Dornoch. > Helen born June 1804. (My gg grandmother) > Kenneth born 1809. > > I have not yet been able to verify who their spouses were with the exception > of Helen. The surnames I think may be possibilities are ROSS, MACKAY, > GRANT, MATHESON, MCLEOD and MCDONALD. > > My other family is the family of ANGUS MUNRO and CHRISTINA GRAHAM. > Angus was born September 1770 in Cromarty and married Christina Graham in > 1787. Their first three children William 1788, Hector 1790, Hugh 1793 were > all born in Ross & Cromarty . > Their next son Donald was born c 1801 Sutherlandshire, but I can find no > record of his birth. The next three children Margaret 1802 Dornoch, James > 1805 Skibo Dornoch and Christian 1808 Cyderhall Dornoch. > > Spouse possibles for the above except Donald who married Helen Sutherland in > 1826 Dornoch are ROSE, MANN, FRASER and MCKAY. > > If anyone has a connection with these families or any of the surnames > mentioned I would like to hear from them. I know that Sutherland and Munro > are very common names but I hope that someone may be able to at least let me > know if I am on th right track. > > Regards, > > Judy. > > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Has anyone any suggestions how my ancestors, Angus McDONALD 1824-1866 and Johanna GRANT 1827-1902, may have travelled to Liverpool from Clashmore, Parish of Dornoch in 1852 before emigrating to Melbourne, Australia? Regards, Ray Wigraft rwigraft@melbpc.org.au Melbourne, Victoria Australia

Hello Franklin Is this your family? CHRISTIAN MACKAY married ALEXANDER MATHESON Christian and Alexander had the following children (MATHESON) born in Dornoch parish: John, born 19 December 1784; Thomas, born 10 March 1787; John, born 10 January 1791; James, born 1 September 1793; Catherine, born 24 November 1796 Proncie [married Alexander Sutherland]; Alexander, born 5 May 1799. MARGARET MACKAY married ALEXANDER SUTHERLAND Margaret of Torboll, Dornoch, and Alexander of Skelbo, married in Dornoch on 14 November 1784 (OPR). They had a son: Alexander SUTHERLAND, born 8 March 1789 Dornoch (SCR). Catherine Matheson of Proncie daughter of Christian Mackay and Alexander Matheson, married Alexander Sutherland, son of Alexander Sutherland and Margaret Mackay. Alexander Sutherland and Catherine Matheson had Margaret, born 1864; Marion, born 1867; John, born 1874 and Elizabeth, born 1876 - all born at Birichen. There is another researcher working on this family. By private email I will send you her address. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Franklin Fiske [mailto:ffiske@north.nsis.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 3:27 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Sutherland, MacKay, Matheson Need some input; Alexanderr Sutherland md Margaret Mackay , had a child Alexander b 1789 at Ponsie, Sutherlandshire Alexander Matheson md Christina MacKay and had a child Catherine b 1796 at Ponsie, Sutherlandshire My GGGramp is claimed to have named the area that he settled in Birichen, after the area he came from in Scotland.Birichen being just outside Dornoch. My gggramp and gggram Settled in the Earltown area of Colchester Co. in the area called Birichen, I am hoping that some one can find some info on any of the above names and relatives and etc. Frank in Pictou N.S. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

The William Mackenzie in Uppat was born around 18 August 1746 or 1748, son of Donald Mackenzie in Uppat. William fathered a child, George, born around 3 October 1788 at Uppat. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Cathy MacKenzie [mailto:c.mackenzie@attcanada.net] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:45 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Golspie's Story Christine and all: There was some discussion earlier on the book Golspie's Story and I meant to send an email then, but didn't. There is a William McKenzie listed in the "List of the People of Golspy that Contributed for the Support of Government on May 24, 1798." This William is listed under the place name of "Uppat." My William McKenzie would have been approx. 27 years of age in 1798. His first child was christened in Scotary in 1802 so it seems as if he lived in that area at that time. He emigrated with his wife and one child from Kintradwell in 1803. Would it be likely that this reference to this William McKenzie might be my guy? I have not been able to find any other William McKenzies in the area at that time, although I will admit my searching ability is somewhat limited. There is one other William McKenzie in Golspie's Story, but definitely a different individual. Any suggestions anyone? Cathy MacKenzie Halifax, NS VIEW MY GENEALOGY WEBSITE: http://members.tripod.com/camack48 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Could 'Ponsie' be Proncy? Proncy is outside Dornoch. Elspeth

Hi Geoff Nice to hear you are home for Easter. May be nothing - may be something - on a prowl through some Nova Scotia gravestones last week on line I actually spotted a McGlashan one. I think it was related to a Grant - could this be anything to do with the cousins who went out there? Christine -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm.Bangor-Jones@scotland.gsi.gov.uk [mailto:Malcolm.Bangor-Jones@scotland.gsi.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 11:56 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: ANDERSON, FRASER, McGLASHAN **************************************************************************** * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. **************************************************************************** * I assume that Elizabeth Fraser's father was John Fraser factor for the Sutherland Estate. He first appears on the scene as a local lawyer in the 1770s, acted as factor for one or two estates before getting the big job in about 1790. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Anderson [mailto:aldbar@loxinfo.co.th] Sent: 01 April 2001 14:17 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: ANDERSON, FRASER, McGLASHAN ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* G'day all, I am responding to Christine's "gosh it's quiet" and to an earlier request for people to make themselves known, for the benefit of other subscribers. My name is Geoff Anderson and right now I am at home, about 100km east of Melbourne, Australia. My other home, for the past 20 years, is Southeast Asia and it is there that I earn my bread. I will return to Laos immediately after Easter and won't be back in Australia until December. When I am away I get very busy to the extent that I can do little more than scan the Subject box of sites such as this. With a few weeks in Australia I have had the luxury of actually being able to read what people are writing and I am finding it all really interesting even though it is not connected to my own research. Which brings me to the point - My GGG Grandparents were William ANDERSON and Margaret SQUAIR of Brora. My GG Grandparents were George ANDERSON and Elizabeth FRASER. Elizabeth's father was the factor at the Rhives Estate - Golspie until 1800. My G Grand Father was John Fraser ANDERSON aka John William ANDERSON born 1826 or 1830, depending which set of records you wish to believe. At the time of the 1841 and 1851 cenus's (censii??) he was living in the care of Ann McGLASHAN, a Golspie innkeeper. His parents, George and Elizabeth were highly visible in Golspie until 1839 - by the time of the 1841 census, they had disappeared. John ANDERSON came to Australia (in 1853 according to his daughter). His cousins went to Pictou in 1832 and it appears that his parents and siblings may have followed between 1839 and 1841. Sorry to bore those of you that have already heard this story, but I figure if I keep floating it by, someone may eventually recognise some of the characters, and if so, I look forward to hearing from them. Congratulations to all on a great site. Regards, Geoff Anderson ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** I assume that Elizabeth Fraser's father was John Fraser factor for the Sutherland Estate. He first appears on the scene as a local lawyer in the 1770s, acted as factor for one or two estates before getting the big job in about 1790. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Anderson [mailto:aldbar@loxinfo.co.th] Sent: 01 April 2001 14:17 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: ANDERSON, FRASER, McGLASHAN ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* G'day all, I am responding to Christine's "gosh it's quiet" and to an earlier request for people to make themselves known, for the benefit of other subscribers. My name is Geoff Anderson and right now I am at home, about 100km east of Melbourne, Australia. My other home, for the past 20 years, is Southeast Asia and it is there that I earn my bread. I will return to Laos immediately after Easter and won't be back in Australia until December. When I am away I get very busy to the extent that I can do little more than scan the Subject box of sites such as this. With a few weeks in Australia I have had the luxury of actually being able to read what people are writing and I am finding it all really interesting even though it is not connected to my own research. Which brings me to the point - My GGG Grandparents were William ANDERSON and Margaret SQUAIR of Brora. My GG Grandparents were George ANDERSON and Elizabeth FRASER. Elizabeth's father was the factor at the Rhives Estate - Golspie until 1800. My G Grand Father was John Fraser ANDERSON aka John William ANDERSON born 1826 or 1830, depending which set of records you wish to believe. At the time of the 1841 and 1851 cenus's (censii??) he was living in the care of Ann McGLASHAN, a Golspie innkeeper. His parents, George and Elizabeth were highly visible in Golspie until 1839 - by the time of the 1841 census, they had disappeared. John ANDERSON came to Australia (in 1853 according to his daughter). His cousins went to Pictou in 1832 and it appears that his parents and siblings may have followed between 1839 and 1841. Sorry to bore those of you that have already heard this story, but I figure if I keep floating it by, someone may eventually recognise some of the characters, and if so, I look forward to hearing from them. Congratulations to all on a great site. Regards, Geoff Anderson ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Need some input; Alexanderr Sutherland md Margaret Mackay , had a child Alexander b 1789 at Ponsie, Sutherlandshire Alexander Matheson md Christina MacKay and had a child Catherine b 1796 at Ponsie, Sutherlandshire My GGGramp is claimed to have named the area that he settled in Birichen, after the area he came from in Scotland.Birichen being just outside Dornoch. My gggramp and gggram Settled in the Earltown area of Colchester Co. in the area called Birichen, I am hoping that some one can find some info on any of the above names and relatives and etc. Frank in Pictou N.S.

Hi ; can only give you what I found chasing my Sutherlands. A Duncan Sutherland collected rent for his sister Mrs Clunis, from George Mathesom in the year 1787 for rent on land called the Brattan of Letty, I would say that is or was near Langwell and Lairg. Frank in Pictou N.S.

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Jim Fowler suggested below that: The simple answer I suppose would be to say that the earliest version you can find is the original version and everything after that is a variation. I would not quite go along with this. There is not such a thing as an "original version" . Indeed, we need to get away from the idea that there were standard spellings. In the 18th century a person was quite capable of spelling his or her own name two different ways in the same letter. Slowly but surely, names became standardised. But the reason why, for instance, one family went with Munro and another with Monro may never be known. Malcolm Bang or-Jones -----Original Message----- From: Jimfowler3@aol.com [mailto:Jimfowler3@aol.com] Sent: 31 March 2001 22:58 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Original spellings ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* In a message dated 31/03/2001 20:34:48 GMT Daylight Time, robinvb@home.com writes: << The last name in question is Jestings, at first we thought the name was from Scotland but I am quite sure that it is not. While searching the IGI the name Jestings come's up only 6 time's, but on the same page of the IGI there are other name's that are quite similar but may have some small spelling differences ie: Jestyn, Jesting, Gestin etc. There are at least 30 variations to choose from, how does one go about finding the original spelling. >> I have a similar situation in my direct family line of FOWLER which has at least ten variations through the line both in spelling and pronounciation. As most of the early records of any name will be phonetic attempts at best - never forget that Shakespeare spelled his own name at least three different ways and Robert Burns' father was William Burnes - there will be no correct version as such only the version that any given clerk or minister chose to use on any given day. It can be well into the nineteenth century , with the increase in general literacy and education, before some spellings of surnames settle down into what we might call the accepted or received version. The simple answer I suppose would be to say that the earliest version you can find is the original version and everything after that is a variation. I enjoy the challenge and the variety. This family history game wouldn't be as much fun if our ancestors had all played by our rules. A' the best to you and yours Jim Fowler Gateshead UK http://members.aol.com/chieflymurder ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** The Clunes clan in Sutherland all descend from Clunes of Neilston near Cromarty. If memory serves me right, they lived at Lothbeg. They suffered terrible losses from Rebel troops in 1746 but, surviving financial difficulties in the 1750s, they later successfully made the transition from Highland tacksmen to large farmers in the post Clearance era. Gordon and horse actually tumbled off Brora Bridge. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: Cathy MacKenzie [mailto:c.mackenzie@attcanada.net] Sent: 01 April 2001 20:39 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: SUT - CLUNES ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* Lyndall: Here's some Cluness info that I found in some writings of Rev. A.M. Sinclair which may have been printed in the Eastern Chronicle, New Glasgow, Nova Scotia, Canada(don't have any dates). Not sure if any of these are connected to yours or not but thought I would post them anyhow. "The first Cluness lived at Cracaig, in Loth, came from Ross-shire. He was factor to the Earl of Sutherland. His son, who succeeded him as factor, had two sons, Gordon and John. Gordon entered the army, and rose to the rank of colonel. He had three sons, Archibald, William and Gordon. Archibald died in the West Indies. William was major in the army. He was a tall, stout and handsome man. He retired from the army at quite an early age. He resided at Cracaif, where he died in 1829. Gordon, youngest son of Colonel Cluness, was a captain in the army. He fell from his horse at Bonar Bridge and was drowned." Another: "I was told that Angus McKay, Donald McKay, of the Woodhouse, Donald Bruce, Donald Douglas, John McLeod, Alexander Grant, and George, son of Major William Cluness, came to Pictou on the same ship. Donald Bruce came by the ship Harmony in 1822. This information I have from Hector H. Bruce - a man who has taken more interest than any one else in the history of Barney's River and to whom I feel very grateful for his efforts in collecting historical facts. His letters in the Eastern Chronicle in 1886 were exceedingly interesting." Cathy MacKenzie Halifax, NS VIEW MY GENEALOGY WEBSITE: http://members.tripod.com/camack48 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyndall" <lyfrah@goldweb.com.au> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > As there are many more people on this list now, I thought I'd ask if again > if anyone is seeking CLUNES from Loth or Helmsdale; particularly Gordon > CLUNES. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

Christine and all: There was some discussion earlier on the book Golspie's Story and I meant to send an email then, but didn't. There is a William McKenzie listed in the "List of the People of Golspy that Contributed for the Support of Government on May 24, 1798." This William is listed under the place name of "Uppat." My William McKenzie would have been approx. 27 years of age in 1798. His first child was christened in Scotary in 1802 so it seems as if he lived in that area at that time. He emigrated with his wife and one child from Kintradwell in 1803. Would it be likely that this reference to this William McKenzie might be my guy? I have not been able to find any other William McKenzies in the area at that time, although I will admit my searching ability is somewhat limited. There is one other William McKenzie in Golspie's Story, but definitely a different individual. Any suggestions anyone? Cathy MacKenzie Halifax, NS VIEW MY GENEALOGY WEBSITE: http://members.tripod.com/camack48

Hi Malcolm, You seem to know a lot about the men who were factors for the Sutherland Estate. Do you have a list of them? It would help to know which letter books to look for at The National Library. Last year I read some letters written by Joseph Peacock and found them very interesting. Thanks, Sheila Mackay

Hello Lyndall I think the information given by Cathy on Clunes is most certainly yours. I would say that your Margaret and the junior Gordon Clunes were the parents of the two children. You need to see the Old Parish Register for the births of these two children where you should be able to confirm this. The Kirk Session records should also (undoubtedly) contain information on the birth. These records (when you can find them) are full of detail on illegitimates and 'fornication'! We are currently having trouble finding the Rogart Kirk Session records. I do believe that at least some of the Dornoch Kirk Session records are at the Scottish Record Office. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Lyndall [mailto:lyfrah@goldweb.com.au] Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2001 9:42 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: SUT - CLUNES Hello Carolyn, I have a Margaret MURRAy born (I think) in Dornoch in 1798, the daughter of Thomas MURRAY and Christian MUNRO. Margaret had a twin sister, Elspet. Margaret Murray bore at least two, illegitimate children to Gordon CLUNES. I haven't the foggiest whather there might be a possible link to your people (though the names are promising). Do you have any dates? Lyndall ----- Original Message ----- Hi, I am also tracing Munro's and Murray's...Looking for family of Christina Murray married Duncan Munro in Dornoch...Any clues Carolyn ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Hello Carolyn, I have a Margaret MURRAy born (I think) in Dornoch in 1798, the daughter of Thomas MURRAY and Christian MUNRO. Margaret had a twin sister, Elspet. Margaret Murray bore at least two, illegitimate children to Gordon CLUNES. I haven't the foggiest whather there might be a possible link to your people (though the names are promising). Do you have any dates? Lyndall ----- Original Message ----- Hi, I am also tracing Munro's and Murray's...Looking for family of Christina Murray married Duncan Munro in Dornoch...Any clues Carolyn

As there are many more people on this list now, I thought I'd ask if again if anyone is seeking CLUNES from Loth or Helmsdale; particularly Gordon CLUNES. One of my Gordon Clunes was an army Captain towards the end of the 18th century, and his illegitimate son, Gordon Clunes, was a roof slater. I also have MURRAY, MUNRO & SUTHERLAND connections from Sutherland, as do so many others on this list, but all of them, in my tree, are connected to the ever elusive CLUNES! Lyndall Canberra, Oz.

Hi Folks, Looking for any-one who has come across the above names or any other similar sounding variations. Thanks.

Hello Mary-Ann, I don't find any problem with either Mac or Mc, as Mc is nothing more (or less) than an abbreviation for Mac. In the days of quill pens dipped in ink, abbreviations were the norm - as in Rbt for Robert; this does not mean that Rbt is the 'correct' spelling for Robert. The same logic applies to Mac and Mc. In this day and age, there is less pressure to use abbreviations and the Registrar-General's office is simply using the full form. Lyndall Canberra ----- Original Message ----- To add insult to injury here - on researching the NZ Death Indexes at the Registrar General's Office - all Mc and Mac names are spelled Mac e.g. McKay would appear as Mackay. I would have thought in the 1990's we would have paid more attention to detail. Mary-Ann Farr Jimfowler3@aol.com wrote:

G'day all, I am responding to Christine's "gosh it's quiet" and to an earlier request for people to make themselves known, for the benefit of other subscribers. My name is Geoff Anderson and right now I am at home, about 100km east of Melbourne, Australia. My other home, for the past 20 years, is Southeast Asia and it is there that I earn my bread. I will return to Laos immediately after Easter and won't be back in Australia until December. When I am away I get very busy to the extent that I can do little more than scan the Subject box of sites such as this. With a few weeks in Australia I have had the luxury of actually being able to read what people are writing and I am finding it all really interesting even though it is not connected to my own research. Which brings me to the point - My GGG Grandparents were William ANDERSON and Margaret SQUAIR of Brora. My GG Grandparents were George ANDERSON and Elizabeth FRASER. Elizabeth's father was the factor at the Rhives Estate - Golspie until 1800. My G Grand Father was John Fraser ANDERSON aka John William ANDERSON born 1826 or 1830, depending which set of records you wish to believe. At the time of the 1841 and 1851 cenus's (censii??) he was living in the care of Ann McGLASHAN, a Golspie innkeeper. His parents, George and Elizabeth were highly visible in Golspie until 1839 - by the time of the 1841 census, they had disappeared. John ANDERSON came to Australia (in 1853 according to his daughter). His cousins went to Pictou in 1832 and it appears that his parents and siblings may have followed between 1839 and 1841. Sorry to bore those of you that have already heard this story, but I figure if I keep floating it by, someone may eventually recognise some of the characters, and if so, I look forward to hearing from them. Congratulations to all on a great site. Regards, Geoff Anderson