Hi all, I am hoping that someone can help me with the parents of this man to try and sort out the chaos in my Doull family tree. According to the IGI Alexander Doull married Christina Sutherland 9-12-1797 at Wick, Caithness. He had a son James Doull b 1800. James death certificate listed his parents names as the above in 1866. Can anyone help me with Alexanders parentage or Alexander and Christina's family. Cheers. Pat Rawlings

Hallo Lynn. Just looked up our large scale map of Rogart area and wonder whether Kerrow might be an English vesion of Chaoruinn. At the mouth of Strath Tollaidh is Leathad a'Chaoruinn and Meall a'Chaoruinn. They are the only names I can find anywhere near in sound. Some entries in the Rogart OPR refer to Strath Tollaidh. ( after all if Cnoc Ard an Tionail can be as it seems written as Knockarthur then possibilities are endless)! regards, Ann Mackay

Hello Christine Have I been so slack that you have forgotten me already!? Sorry, I don't seem to have many family members in Sutherland - at least the ones I have weren't born, didn't marry or have children and didn't die! I'd love a map showing Gilchrist Square please and I promise I'll inundate the list with all my missing Gilchrists and their spouses asap. I did receive the book 'Gilchrists of Ospisdale' from the publisher. Thank you Malcolm and you Christine for your assistance there. It's wonderful. Regards Lori -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes [mailto:chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 9:53 p To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Gilchrist Square A while back there was a conversation about Gilchrist Square, Dornoch. I cannot remember who it was who had a relative after whom the square was named? I now have a map of Dornoch showing the square. If whoever emails me privately I will send a copy. Christine

There is a Kerrow a couple of miles from Cannich in Strathglass I had ancestors there in 1884 married Hugh Robertson Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Lynn Munro <ornum@execulink.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 10:12 PM Subject: Re: Zorra > Christine, > I do not know where Kerrow is. I have some information passed on to me from > the historian of Clan MacKay W. Alex MacKay in which he stated the > following" My research into the Rogart MacKays has been superficial to-date, > but I can find no record of George and his wife residing in Rhilochan in > Rogart Parish. As you said their six children were born in Rogart between > 1796 and 1806. But they were all born in the township of Kerrow." He goes on > to say " The tenants in Rhilochan at that time were MacKays, a John and his > wife Christian Sutherland who had a son Angus there in 1797 and a son > William in 1799. In 1800 they were replaced by Murdoch and Kate MacKay. By > 1810 a George MacKay tenanted Rhilochan, but his wife was a Sibella McDonald > and between then and 1824 , they had four children Hector, Jane, John and > William. Could this be your George who remarried after Janet Gordon died and > at that time moved from Kerrow to Rhilochan? The reason why Janet Gordon's > first child was not born in Kerrow probably was that George and Janet > followed the usual Highland tradition where the birth of the first > grandchild takes place in the mother's parents home. Find William's > birthplace and perhaps you may find Janet's parents. Janet was a popular > Gordon name." Just thought you might be interested. Lynn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:33 AM > Subject: RE: Zorra > > > > Hi Lynn > > Langdale is in Strathnaver which is in Farr parish, in the north of the > > county. > > Blarich or Blairich is in Rogart parish. > > Both the IGI and the OPRs show children of Janet Gordon and George Mackay > > born in Rogart parish, probably at Rhelochan. Where is the Kerrow > township > > you mention? > > Both the Gordons of Langdale and the Munros of Blarich were from earlier > > 'substantial' families. > > The Munro family can trace back to Donald Balloch Mackay, born circa 1550, > > son of Iye Du Mackay. > > Bessie Munro was the daughter of Robert Munro of Blarich. Robert Munro's > > parents were Hugh Munro of Achany and Christian Mackay - so there are > plenty > > of Mackays in the family. > > The fact that your George's mother was said to be the wife of a blacksmith > > may well mean that Janet Gordon "married beneath" herself but in those > days, > > after the 1745, everything was changing anyway. Strathnaver would itself > be > > emptied only a few years later when the Clearances started to hit. > > Although William Gordon still styled himself 'of Langdale' I believe he > was > > living in Rogart when his children were born! > > I wish I knew more about this family because I am firmly of the opinion > that > > Barbara Gordon, my 4 x great grandmother, is also a daughter of William > > Gordon. I will keep on looking in the hope that one day it will all be > > solved. > > In the meantime any little snippets are most welcome!! > > Christine > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Lynn Munro [mailto:ornum@execulink.com] > > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:47 PM > > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: Zorra > > > > Christine, > > In answer to your question regarding Janet Gordon this is what I have. > Janet > > Gordon daughter of William Gordon of Langdale and Bessie Munro. Bessie's > > father was Robert Munro of Blarich. Can you tell me what or where is > > Langdale? I do not know where Janet and George Mackay's first son William > > was born. It has been suggested that if we find where he was born then we > > will be assured that Janet is in deed the daughter of William Gordon of > > Langdale. It has also been suggested that following highland tradition > Janet > > would have had her first child in the home of her parents which accounts > for > > why all the other children were listed as born in Kerrow township but > > William is not. Then maybe we can prove that Janet and Barbara were > sisters. > > Lynn > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> > > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 3:58 AM > > Subject: Zorra > > > > > > > Hi again Lynn > > > Do you have any further information on Janet Gordon, wife of George > Mackay > > > of Rhelochan, Rogart? > > > I believe this Janet Gordon may be a sister of my 4 x great grandmother, > > > Barbara Gordon. > > > Any info would be helpful. > > > Many thanks > > > Best wishes > > > Christine > > > chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk > > > > > > Highland Hearts > > > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. > You > > can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > > > ============================== > > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > > Source for Family History Online. 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Hi Try these - you may spot the uniform! First site is the 93rd Regimental museum in Stirling Castle The Second is the Scottish Military Society gallery. http://www.argylls.co.uk/939981.html http://www.virtual-pc.com/journal/gallery.htm Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ron and Cathy Wagner [mailto:rwagner@xcelco.on.ca] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 4:47 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Scottish Army Records Hi I forgot to ask something else.....smile... Is there records of people that were in the army there in Sutherland?? I have a picture of a man probably born late 1700's or very early 1800's he looks quite old and and he is in a uniform that is quite unknown to me, the hat has a point at the front almost like a Napolean hat would seem and it says he is an uncle to my Jane McDonald she is born 1817 that is how I guess his era of birth, now both her parents were McDonalds....so it would seem he could be from either he mothers brother or her fathers brother. So is there a list....of people that served this picture I can date between 1867-1870 period and on back it says grama Janes uncle "Major McDonald" I could scan it and send it off privately to anyone who could possibly take a look at the uniform and maybe identify it...what type of uniform it is that is Cathy ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Lori As I hit the send button I remembered who it was - honest!! This list has me going round and round in my head!! Anyway map on the way to you. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Lori Fletcher [mailto:loribyn@corplink.com.au] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 12:18 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Gilchrist Square Hello Christine Have I been so slack that you have forgotten me already!? Sorry, I don't seem to have many family members in Sutherland - at least the ones I have weren't born, didn't marry or have children and didn't die! I'd love a map showing Gilchrist Square please and I promise I'll inundate the list with all my missing Gilchrists and their spouses asap. I did receive the book 'Gilchrists of Ospisdale' from the publisher. Thank you Malcolm and you Christine for your assistance there. It's wonderful. Regards Lori -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes [mailto:chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, 5 April 2001 9:53 p To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Gilchrist Square A while back there was a conversation about Gilchrist Square, Dornoch. I cannot remember who it was who had a relative after whom the square was named? I now have a map of Dornoch showing the square. If whoever emails me privately I will send a copy. Christine ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

From the D J Steel book: "Censuses were held in Scotland every ten years from 1801 and detailed returns were made and kept from 1841". To me that reads as though the chances of finding much between 1801-1831 are slender indeed! The same article goes on to talk about the inaccuracies found on the 1841-91 census. In case some do not know I will repeat this: "For the 1841 census ages of adults were given in five year groups and would therefore not be expected to agree with those in the 1851 census. However, even in the latter, ages of adults may be hopelessly inaccurate, and rather more surprisingly, ages of children may not be consistent with those given ten years earlier". Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ian Morrison [mailto:ianmorrison@msn.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:07 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SUT - research sources Christine et al, I like the suggestion of expanding our knowledge of research sources. How does one access the 1745 lists and the hearth tax lists? Ian<br clear=all><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<br></p> ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Just looked up where we find these records and from the Acknowledgements in Malcolm's book - "The list of 1745 appears by permission of the Countess of Sutherland" - which one of us is going to ask her ladyship if we can have a look? Or, does a local person know if they are in the local libraries? Grant - Brora have one? Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ian Morrison [mailto:ianmorrison@msn.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:07 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SUT - research sources Christine et al, I like the suggestion of expanding our knowledge of research sources. How does one access the 1745 lists and the hearth tax lists? Ian<br clear=all><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<br></p> ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Sources for Scottish Genealogy, D J Steel: "Hearth Tax Records 1691 are in the Scottish Record Office (Edinburgh) and give only the names of heads of households which had hearths. However, though they give less information than the poll tax records, they cover a greater part of the country and are useful for parishes for which Poll Tax records are not extant". It then goes on to list those counties for which the Hearth Tax Records are worth looking at and Sutherland is named. Now, as you know, Malcolm has the Farr record in his book and I have just looked at his acknowledgements for a clue as to where he got this!! This is what it says: The list of 1691 appear by permission of the Keeper of the Records of Scotland (Scottish Record Office). Anybody going to Edinburgh? Does anyone know if there is copies in the Highland Council in Inverness? Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ian Morrison [mailto:ianmorrison@msn.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:07 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SUT - research sources Christine et al, I like the suggestion of expanding our knowledge of research sources. How does one access the 1745 lists and the hearth tax lists? Ian<br clear=all><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<br></p> ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Hi Lynn Langdale is in Strathnaver which is in Farr parish, in the north of the county. Blarich or Blairich is in Rogart parish. Both the IGI and the OPRs show children of Janet Gordon and George Mackay born in Rogart parish, probably at Rhelochan. Where is the Kerrow township you mention? Both the Gordons of Langdale and the Munros of Blarich were from earlier 'substantial' families. The Munro family can trace back to Donald Balloch Mackay, born circa 1550, son of Iye Du Mackay. Bessie Munro was the daughter of Robert Munro of Blarich. Robert Munro's parents were Hugh Munro of Achany and Christian Mackay - so there are plenty of Mackays in the family. The fact that your George's mother was said to be the wife of a blacksmith may well mean that Janet Gordon "married beneath" herself but in those days, after the 1745, everything was changing anyway. Strathnaver would itself be emptied only a few years later when the Clearances started to hit. Although William Gordon still styled himself 'of Langdale' I believe he was living in Rogart when his children were born! I wish I knew more about this family because I am firmly of the opinion that Barbara Gordon, my 4 x great grandmother, is also a daughter of William Gordon. I will keep on looking in the hope that one day it will all be solved. In the meantime any little snippets are most welcome!! Christine -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Munro [mailto:ornum@execulink.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:47 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Zorra Christine, In answer to your question regarding Janet Gordon this is what I have. Janet Gordon daughter of William Gordon of Langdale and Bessie Munro. Bessie's father was Robert Munro of Blarich. Can you tell me what or where is Langdale? I do not know where Janet and George Mackay's first son William was born. It has been suggested that if we find where he was born then we will be assured that Janet is in deed the daughter of William Gordon of Langdale. It has also been suggested that following highland tradition Janet would have had her first child in the home of her parents which accounts for why all the other children were listed as born in Kerrow township but William is not. Then maybe we can prove that Janet and Barbara were sisters. Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 3:58 AM Subject: Zorra > Hi again Lynn > Do you have any further information on Janet Gordon, wife of George Mackay > of Rhelochan, Rogart? > I believe this Janet Gordon may be a sister of my 4 x great grandmother, > Barbara Gordon. > Any info would be helpful. > Many thanks > Best wishes > Christine > chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk > > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01

Hi Is there anyone out there that could look-up a Donald Gibson in the 1841 census, last place lived in was Dornoch. I very Much appreciate anyone's help. Thank-You Robin

To add to what Christine quoted about the 1841 census, I acquired the following description some time ago: 1.Only first and last names were given. Sometimes initials were given rather than names. Sometimes wives were listed by their maiden surnames; 2.Exact ages were recorded for persons under 15. Persons over 15 were to be reported in multiples of 5 years with the age entered to the lowest five years, e.g. a person who was 29 in 1841 would be shown as 25. However exact ages are frequently recorded; 3.The age column indicates the sex of those enumerated; 4.Occupations were often abbreviated,e.g. HLW = Hand Loom Weaver; 5.Exact birth places are not given but rather "yes" meaning born in that county; or "no" born in some other county in Scotland; "E" for England; "I" for Ireland; "F" for Foreign Parts. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 1:54 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: SUT - research sources - Census From the D J Steel book: "Censuses were held in Scotland every ten years from 1801 and detailed returns were made and kept from 1841". To me that reads as though the chances of finding much between 1801-1831 are slender indeed! The same article goes on to talk about the inaccuracies found on the 1841-91 census. In case some do not know I will repeat this: "For the 1841 census ages of adults were given in five year groups and would therefore not be expected to agree with those in the 1851 census. However, even in the latter, ages of adults may be hopelessly inaccurate, and rather more surprisingly, ages of children may not be consistent with those given ten years earlier". Christine -----Original Message----- From: Ian Morrison [mailto:ianmorrison@msn.com] Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 3:07 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SUT - research sources Christine et al, I like the suggestion of expanding our knowledge of research sources. How does one access the 1745 lists and the hearth tax lists? Ian<br clear=all><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<br></p> ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog<br clear=all><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<br></p>

Hello again - Can anyone shed light on the following reference to a census in Sutherlandshire in or before 1800? What follows is from personal research notes dated 1988. (I am no further ahead!) >TO CHECK: >1. census of Sutherland estates pre-May 1800 >2. list of 600 inspected at Inverness August 1800 >3. muster list "3rd Sutherland Fencibles" >Source: The Clans & Regiments of the Scottish Highlands by Frank Adam >(1908); revised by Sir Thomas Innes of Learney; Johnston and Bacon, >Stirling, Scotland; 1984 reprint (eighth edition 1980) ISBN 0 7179 4500 6 Mr. Adam mentions such a census in the following transcript. Unfortunately, no specific date is given. "A striking peculiarity in the raising of this regiment was that the original levy was made by a species of conscription, and not by the ordinary mode of recruiting. A census having been taken of the population of the estates of the Countess of Sutherland, her agents requested that a certain proportion of the able-bodied sons of the tenants should join the ranks, as a test of their duty to the Countess and of their loyalty to their Sovereign. The appeal was well responded to, and in a few months the ranks of the regiment were filled up. Naturally, some of the parents grumbled at being deprived of their children. However, the young men themselves never seem to have questioned this claim over their military services. The levy was made up, to a considerable extent, of men who had served in the 3rd Sutherland Fencibles, which had been disbanded about two years previously. Many of the men, as well as the non-commissioned officers, were sons of highly respected farmers. The officers were mostly well-known gentlemen connected with Sutherlandshire and the adjacent counties. "The recruits, after having enrolled their names on enlistment, were permitted to pursue their callings at home, until it was announced in the various parish churches that their presence was required, when a body of 600 men was assembled, and marched to Inverness in August 1800 for inspection by Major-General Leith Hay, without there being a single absentee..." - Adam: Clans, Septs & Regiments of the Scottish Highlands, p. 475 Could this be the "1801" census discussed in Sources for Scottish Genealogy by D J Steel? (Thanks for that, Christine.) With best wishes, Frances

Christine, I do not know where Kerrow is. I have some information passed on to me from the historian of Clan MacKay W. Alex MacKay in which he stated the following" My research into the Rogart MacKays has been superficial to-date, but I can find no record of George and his wife residing in Rhilochan in Rogart Parish. As you said their six children were born in Rogart between 1796 and 1806. But they were all born in the township of Kerrow." He goes on to say " The tenants in Rhilochan at that time were MacKays, a John and his wife Christian Sutherland who had a son Angus there in 1797 and a son William in 1799. In 1800 they were replaced by Murdoch and Kate MacKay. By 1810 a George MacKay tenanted Rhilochan, but his wife was a Sibella McDonald and between then and 1824 , they had four children Hector, Jane, John and William. Could this be your George who remarried after Janet Gordon died and at that time moved from Kerrow to Rhilochan? The reason why Janet Gordon's first child was not born in Kerrow probably was that George and Janet followed the usual Highland tradition where the birth of the first grandchild takes place in the mother's parents home. Find William's birthplace and perhaps you may find Janet's parents. Janet was a popular Gordon name." Just thought you might be interested. Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Zorra > Hi Lynn > Langdale is in Strathnaver which is in Farr parish, in the north of the > county. > Blarich or Blairich is in Rogart parish. > Both the IGI and the OPRs show children of Janet Gordon and George Mackay > born in Rogart parish, probably at Rhelochan. Where is the Kerrow township > you mention? > Both the Gordons of Langdale and the Munros of Blarich were from earlier > 'substantial' families. > The Munro family can trace back to Donald Balloch Mackay, born circa 1550, > son of Iye Du Mackay. > Bessie Munro was the daughter of Robert Munro of Blarich. Robert Munro's > parents were Hugh Munro of Achany and Christian Mackay - so there are plenty > of Mackays in the family. > The fact that your George's mother was said to be the wife of a blacksmith > may well mean that Janet Gordon "married beneath" herself but in those days, > after the 1745, everything was changing anyway. Strathnaver would itself be > emptied only a few years later when the Clearances started to hit. > Although William Gordon still styled himself 'of Langdale' I believe he was > living in Rogart when his children were born! > I wish I knew more about this family because I am firmly of the opinion that > Barbara Gordon, my 4 x great grandmother, is also a daughter of William > Gordon. I will keep on looking in the hope that one day it will all be > solved. > In the meantime any little snippets are most welcome!! > Christine > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynn Munro [mailto:ornum@execulink.com] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:47 PM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Zorra > > Christine, > In answer to your question regarding Janet Gordon this is what I have. Janet > Gordon daughter of William Gordon of Langdale and Bessie Munro. Bessie's > father was Robert Munro of Blarich. Can you tell me what or where is > Langdale? I do not know where Janet and George Mackay's first son William > was born. It has been suggested that if we find where he was born then we > will be assured that Janet is in deed the daughter of William Gordon of > Langdale. It has also been suggested that following highland tradition Janet > would have had her first child in the home of her parents which accounts for > why all the other children were listed as born in Kerrow township but > William is not. Then maybe we can prove that Janet and Barbara were sisters. > Lynn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 3:58 AM > Subject: Zorra > > > > Hi again Lynn > > Do you have any further information on Janet Gordon, wife of George Mackay > > of Rhelochan, Rogart? > > I believe this Janet Gordon may be a sister of my 4 x great grandmother, > > Barbara Gordon. > > Any info would be helpful. > > Many thanks > > Best wishes > > Christine > > chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk > > > > Highland Hearts > > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. 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Christine, I always enjoy your responses. Thanks for the clarifications and information. Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:33 AM Subject: RE: Zorra > Hi Lynn > Langdale is in Strathnaver which is in Farr parish, in the north of the > county. > Blarich or Blairich is in Rogart parish. > Both the IGI and the OPRs show children of Janet Gordon and George Mackay > born in Rogart parish, probably at Rhelochan. Where is the Kerrow township > you mention? > Both the Gordons of Langdale and the Munros of Blarich were from earlier > 'substantial' families. > The Munro family can trace back to Donald Balloch Mackay, born circa 1550, > son of Iye Du Mackay. > Bessie Munro was the daughter of Robert Munro of Blarich. Robert Munro's > parents were Hugh Munro of Achany and Christian Mackay - so there are plenty > of Mackays in the family. > The fact that your George's mother was said to be the wife of a blacksmith > may well mean that Janet Gordon "married beneath" herself but in those days, > after the 1745, everything was changing anyway. Strathnaver would itself be > emptied only a few years later when the Clearances started to hit. > Although William Gordon still styled himself 'of Langdale' I believe he was > living in Rogart when his children were born! > I wish I knew more about this family because I am firmly of the opinion that > Barbara Gordon, my 4 x great grandmother, is also a daughter of William > Gordon. I will keep on looking in the hope that one day it will all be > solved. > In the meantime any little snippets are most welcome!! > Christine > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lynn Munro [mailto:ornum@execulink.com] > Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 6:47 PM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Zorra > > Christine, > In answer to your question regarding Janet Gordon this is what I have. Janet > Gordon daughter of William Gordon of Langdale and Bessie Munro. Bessie's > father was Robert Munro of Blarich. Can you tell me what or where is > Langdale? I do not know where Janet and George Mackay's first son William > was born. It has been suggested that if we find where he was born then we > will be assured that Janet is in deed the daughter of William Gordon of > Langdale. It has also been suggested that following highland tradition Janet > would have had her first child in the home of her parents which accounts for > why all the other children were listed as born in Kerrow township but > William is not. Then maybe we can prove that Janet and Barbara were sisters. > Lynn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 3:58 AM > Subject: Zorra > > > > Hi again Lynn > > Do you have any further information on Janet Gordon, wife of George Mackay > > of Rhelochan, Rogart? > > I believe this Janet Gordon may be a sister of my 4 x great grandmother, > > Barbara Gordon. > > Any info would be helpful. > > Many thanks > > Best wishes > > Christine > > chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk > > > > Highland Hearts > > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You > can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You > can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Ray, I apologize for giving credit for the Geddes cemetery inscription to the wrong person. My apology and, again, my thanks for your prompt help. Diane

Here are my McDonald rellies that I hope may be known to some of you. Hugh McDONALD married Catherine McDONALD (1795-1861), 7 July 1815 Dornoch. Children:- Margaret b. 1816 Dornoch, d. 1861 Creich Hugh b. 1820 Creich Walter b. 1822 Creich Angus b. 1824 Creich, d. 1866 Victoria, Australia Robert b. 1826 Creich William b. 1828 Creich Forever the optimist, Ray Wigraft rwigraft@melbpc.org.au Melbourne, Victoria Australia

Christine, I just found a further note to the Janet Gordon/George Mackay issue and that is that Janet Gordon may have been disowned by her father because he thought that she married beneath her and into a poor family. You would think that it would not follow that she then had her first child in the home of her parents. Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 3:58 AM Subject: Zorra > Hi again Lynn > Do you have any further information on Janet Gordon, wife of George Mackay > of Rhelochan, Rogart? > I believe this Janet Gordon may be a sister of my 4 x great grandmother, > Barbara Gordon. > Any info would be helpful. > Many thanks > Best wishes > Christine > chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk > > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Christine, In answer to your question regarding Janet Gordon this is what I have. Janet Gordon daughter of William Gordon of Langdale and Bessie Munro. Bessie's father was Robert Munro of Blarich. Can you tell me what or where is Langdale? I do not know where Janet and George Mackay's first son William was born. It has been suggested that if we find where he was born then we will be assured that Janet is in deed the daughter of William Gordon of Langdale. It has also been suggested that following highland tradition Janet would have had her first child in the home of her parents which accounts for why all the other children were listed as born in Kerrow township but William is not. Then maybe we can prove that Janet and Barbara were sisters. Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 3:58 AM Subject: Zorra > Hi again Lynn > Do you have any further information on Janet Gordon, wife of George Mackay > of Rhelochan, Rogart? > I believe this Janet Gordon may be a sister of my 4 x great grandmother, > Barbara Gordon. > Any info would be helpful. > Many thanks > Best wishes > Christine > chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk > > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.237 / Virus Database: 115 - Release Date: 3/7/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > >

Searching for John SUTHERLAND, born in Sutherlandshire, died sometime between 1811 and 1840. He and wife Ellen had a daughter named Christene, born in Clyne in 1811. Christene married William Bain McKAY in 1835 in Clyne. Widowed Ellen, along with Christene and William and their first three children, immigrated to Oxford Co., Ontario, about 1840. Regards, Diane Geddes