Chapter X. Home and College Life. 1804-1805. UM = Unnamed male UF = Unnamed female Note: names of persons whom Sage met in Aberdeen, but no obvious Sutherland connection, are not included. SAGE, ENEAS, Donald Sage's brother BAIGRIE, Captain, their uncle COY, UM, captain of a fishing smack, met at Helmsdale, employed by FORBES, WILLIAM of Echt. JOHNSON, UM, the salmon-boiler at Helmsdale -------------------------------------------- Tenants to Rev. Alexander Sage at Kildonan: GORDON (or GOW), JAMES ("Seumas"), a blacksmith, Ach-nan-nighean, GUNN, GEORGE ("Seoras Dalangall"), of family of Gunns in Dalangall His wife not named, except as "Banntrach na h'ellich", the "widow of the mill-lade". Their children, GUNN, WILLIAM GUNN, KATE SUTHERLAND, JOHN ("Ian Mor" or Big John) Children of Ian Mor, SUTHERLAND, JOHN ("Ian Meadhonach" or Middle John), died on voyage to Selkirk's Red River colony. SUTHERLAND, JOHN ("Ian Beag" or Little John), married a well-doing, sonsy widow in Glut, Braemore, Caithness. SUTHERLAND, DONALD ("Muckle" (Big), also called "Mor"), married GORDON, ROSE. SUTHERLAND, CHIRSTY, ("Cairstean") unmarried, post-runner. Children of Ian Meadhonach SUTHERLAND, BETTY, married BRUCE, ROBERT, Loist. SUTHERLAND, KATE, married FRASER, ALEXANDER, (Beag). SUTHERLAND, JANE, married MACKAY, ANGUS, son of MACKAY, DONALD, the catechist. SUTHERLAND, JOHN, SUTHERLAND, DONALD. GUNN, DONALD, married SUTHERLAND, ESTHER, a native of Caithness. Their children GUNN, JANET, married BRUCE, WILLIAM, Loist GUNN, JANE married FRASER, MALCOLM, drowned at Helmsdale GUNN, ROBERT, killed at Red River colony. MACLEOD, DONALD, parochial school master. His wife was the daughter of "Ian Thappaidh" the target at which ROB DONN shot off his most envenomed shafts of satire. She was the widow of GUNN, JOHN, MacLeod's predecessor as school master by whom she had two children GUNN, WALTER, went to America GUNN, ISOBEL married MACPHERSON, EVAN. Children of Donald MacLeod MACLEOD, JOHN, enlisted in army. Lived at Tain. MACLEOD, GEORGE, remained at home, succeeded his father, married GORDON, UF, daughter of GORDON, ADAM of Rhenivy. Half-sister of GORDON, GEORGE, minister of Loth. MACLEOD, MARGARET, married FRASER or GRANT, UM, who lived at Fethnafall, Kildonan. MACLEOD, CHIRSTY married SUTHERLAND, JOSEPH, Parish of Loth. -------------------------------- GORDON, THOMAS, tacksman of Achnamoine, justice of the peace. He married GORDON, UF, a sister of GORDON, UM, of Loth.. They had a large family. GORDON, ROBERT, emigrated to America. GORDON, CHARLES, married daughter of RUSSEL, UM, a gentleman in Portsmouth. Charles Gordon later lived at Avoch, Ross and Portsmouth. GORDON, HUGH. GORDON, ALEXANDER ("Alastair") of Dalchairn, cadet of Gordons of Embo, married SUTHERLAND, UF, of Strath Uilligh Sutherlands. Her brother was SUTHERLAND, "ROB MUILLER" Children of Alexander Gordon GORDON, ANNE, married GORDON, JOHN of Solus-chraiggie. GORDON, GILBERT, emigrated to America, married SUTHERLAND, UF, daughter of SUTHERLAND, JOHN, Captain, of Brora. GORDON, JOHN, went to America (ca 1810) GORDON, ROBERT GORDON, WILLIAM, lived Rosemarkie. GORDON, UM, died Jamaica. GORDON, UF, the eldest daughter married MACDONALD, JOHN, tacksman of Ach-Scarclet in Strathmore, Caithness. His widow and family emigrated to America. MACKAY, GEORGE of Araidh-Chlinni, Kildonan, chieftain of a sept of Clan Mackay His children included MACKAY, ROBERT, Captain, who was "on marriage terms" with GUNN, CHIRSTY, Sage's dry-nurse, who died before the wedding. Robert Mackay married CLUNES, MEDLEY, niece of CLUNES, UM, Colonel, of Cracaig, Loth. Robert Mackay lived in Inverness and had one daughter who married, MACKAY, UM, Colonel. MACKAY, GEORGE, son of George, emigrated to America. MACKAY, CATHERINE ("Kate na h'aridh") married MACKAY (or MACHASTAIN), GEORGE, native of Strath Halladale. They had four sons MACKAY, GEORGE, a grocer at Inverness, MACKAY, JOHN, a grocer at Inverness who married a daughter of MACKAY of Carnachadh, Strathnaver. Two brothers went abroad and died. A daughter of Catherine and George Mackay was, MACKAY, UF, married MACKAY, ANDREW, a grocer at Helmsdale. GUNN, ROBERT, of Achaneccan, representative of the chiefs of Clan Gunn in Kildonan. GRANT, JOHN, of Dioball, died at Reay in 1828. ROSS, UM, of Clyne, a warm friend of Sage's father. His son, ROSS, WILLIAM TURNBULL, UM, Tain, an ostler to COMBE, UM, an Englishman. Turnbull and his wife, Combe's widow (not named), operated Turnbull's Inn at Tain. HOUSTON, WILLIAM, son of HOUSTON, HUGH, Major, of Clynleish. SUTHERLAND, UF., Mrs., Sage's step-mother's sister, lived Aberdeen. BAIGRIE, JANE, daughter (by his first marriage) of BAIGRIE, UM, Captain of Midgarty. Jane Baigrie boarded with Mrs. Sutherland. GORDON, UF, Mrs., Sage's friend, resided in Aberdeen after death of her husband. GRANT, CHRISTY, native of Loth, Mrs. Gordon's maid-servant. FORBES, WILLIAM of Echt and of Forbes and Hogarth held the Sutherland rivers in lease from the countess. COLSTONE, master of Forbes and Hogarth fishing smack. HOUSTON, THOMAS, of Kintradwell.

I can only reiterate what Ron has said. I posted information this morning showing that at least one tenant was actually still in Balvraid later than 1811 even although he was on the list to be removed. Basically brilliant to have a list but as always check, check, check. Christine -----Original Message----- From: J. Ronald Patrick [mailto:rpatrick@niagara.com] Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 7:10 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Clearances 1811 I very much appreciated the list of 1811 clearances posted, but one should exercise some caution in drawing conclusions that it means they in fact were removed to some other place by the 'Estate'. I have checked the Sutherland Papers, which of course refer to this period in some considerable detail. Patrick Sellar and William Young had just received their commissions by the Marquis and Marchioness of Sutherland in February of 1811, following on from Cosmo Falconer who had been Factor, and for whom they had been working for many months. One of the first things Patrick Sellar did apparently after receiving his commission was to do an inventory of the estate, its holdings, who was renting what, what leases there were current, etc. This is published and dated April 1811. His title for this was: "State of Lord and Lady Stafford's property in the County of Sutherland; prepared, with a view to the formation of a correct rentall of the sums due, Martinmas 1811 and Whitsunday 1812." (SEM. Vol 1., pp45-118) Meanwhile William Young was busy making wholesale removal plans on a grand scale as we now know. As I read it, he was planning to give notice on 15 or 16 May 1811 for the 'sett' of leases of 19 years as of Whitsunday (November) 1811, which meant that lots of families were about to get notices 'to remove'. His letter to the Marchioness of Stafford of 12 April (SEM, Vol. 2, p140-142) give these new lease descriptions in the vaguest of terms. For example, 'Lands to be sett on Leases of 19 years at Whitsunday 1811' list includes among many, the following: 'Evelicks and Cyderhall moors to be lotted out among dispossessed tenants. Proncy Croy with the exception of Moor Ground. Lower Proncey with the same exception. Balvraid as now laid off in two Farms 60 acres each and one of 30 acres' etc While the Sutherland Estate Management Papers as published do not include the names of 'named' individual tenants (i.e. named by Patrick Sellar in his report), since the editor of them purposely omitted them (why in God's name I don't know), they do include fairly detailed information about the general goings-on, if I can put it that way. Back to my point. While the 1811 list posted gives for example, "Mr. Andrew Sutherland Pittentrail from Davach beg" as being removed, this is not exactly what happened. In 1815 he is still listed as the principal tenant at Pittentrail along with 13 named tenants, paying rent of L112 s2 d8. (SEM, VOl. 1, p231). He may however have removed from 'Davochbeg', which in April 1811, Sellar notes, ' Davochbeg. Tenants: 7 named small tenants. Rent: L30. Duration: From Whitsunday 1801, no lease. Tenants' interest: 'Not ascertained whether any Stipulation or if the tenant may carry away the timber agreeably to practice' . Remarks: 'Tenants warned out; Mr. Young to say how to be possessed.' In 1815, Davochbeg was in the hands of John MacKay. Similarly, with regard to Mr. Donald McKenzie of 'Balfour and Covenlorkan?' given on the 1811 list. Patrick Sellar's notes of April 1811: 'Pitfure. Tenant: Mr. D. McKenzie. Rent: L45. Duration: Lease for 19 years expiring Whitsunday 1828 renounced. Remarks: 'This man has renounced his lease for Colonel Sutherland's Accomodation. Mr. Young to say how it is to be possessed'. There are similar comments for Mr. Donald McKenzie for Carranlorkan in April 1811. Balfour may be 'Ballifure'. I therefore suspect that others listed were perhaps 'warned out' by Sellar, but that doesn't mean they went anywhere very far, at least in 1811. Since we don't have a comparable detailed inventory/census of who lived where after Martinmas (November) 1811, at least for many years, one should read this list as just another clue to who lived where, when. I think the fact that they were there at Whitsunday 1811 to be warned is a great bit of information for us all. They may well have been there for several years more, we don't know for sure, at least from this list we don't know. Ron Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario Canada L0S 1J0 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Iain, Hope you don't mind if I pass the latter part of your message to the whole list. (I now retire, covered with undeserved glory!) Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Murray" <iain.murray@tinyworld.co.uk> To: "Sara Thomas" <sethomas@btinternet.com> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2001 2:46 PM Subject: Re: SUT - Re: 1863 Gaelic book re Donald SUTHERLAND > > And if there is any further discussion on Gaelic on the list, I will be > happy to give my limited version of a translation & get my [Gaelic] friends to give > the Right answer! > Iain Murray (from the Inchure branch) > :-) > Inverness > 'Cathair Inbir Nis' as it is offically known as now

Rena, Great JOB and thanks for sharing Carolyn

Good morning, Here are names from Mem. Dom., Chapter 9. Most of these people lived in Dornoch or surrounding area. Christine has informed me that there is no copyright on the book, since copyright belongs to the author. This means that we should be able to quote from it. So, if you find your ancestor's name in one of the chapters and want the full story, we can give it to you via this email list. But, I need some volunteers who have copies of the book and would like to help out by transcribing the stories. If I have made any mistakes in compiling this, I ask that someone will send a correction to the list, please. Rena Chapter IX. School Days at Dornoch. 1801-1803. UF = UNNAMED FEMALE UM = UNNAMED MALE MACCULLOCH, HUGH, Under-sheriff of Sutherland, Dornoch, married SUTHERLAND, UF, Daughter of SUTHERLAND, JOHN, minister of Dornoch, Children of Hugh MacCulloch, MACCULLOCH, CHIRSTY, MACCULLOCH, UF married CANT, UM, a flour miller of Bishops Mills, near Elgin. MACCULLOCH, UF married MUNRO, GEORGE, merchant at Wester Helmsdale, farmed later at Whitehall in Loth. MACCULLOCH, WILLIAM, Captain. SUTHERLAND, SACKVILLE, Captain, of Uppat. GORDON, ROBERT, (“Wilkhouse”), innkeeper below Kintradwell, in Loth. ROSS, WALTER, minister of Clyne, married SUTHERLAND, UF, daughter of SUTHERLAND, JOHN, Captain, tacksman of Clynelish, Their son ROSS, WILLIAM BAILLIE, Dr., physician at Tain (1842). HOUSTON, HUGH, merchant at Brora, Brother of HOUSTON, (LOUIS) LEWIS, Easter Helmsdale. KEITH, WILLIAM, minister of Golspie. GORDON family of Embo. GORDON, ROBERT HUME. DEMPSTER of Skibo. GORDON of Carroll. GORDON of Navidale. CLUNESS, Captain, of Cracraig. BAIGRIE, Captain, of Midgarty. MACKAY, Mrs., Sage’s step-mother’s half-sister, Her husband, MACKAY, KENNETH, Captain, at Embo house and Torboll. Born 1756. His ancestry. His parents, MACKAY, JOHN, of Melness, and SUTHERLAND, ESTHER, daughter of SUTHERLAND, KENNETH of Meikle-Torboll, in Strathfleet, parish of Dornoch. Children of Kenneth Mackay, MACKAY, HARRIET, MACKAY, ESTHER, MACKAY, JEAN, MACKAY, LEXY, MACKAY, GEORGE, MACKAY, JOHN, And eight others, not named MACDONALD, JOHN, school teacher at Dornoch, minister of Alvie in Badenoch, GORDON, JOSEPH. GRAY, BETHUNE. Son of GRAY, HUGH, a townsman, Dornoch. HAY, JOHN, a mason, lived near MacCulloch. BETHUNE, UM, Rev, minister at Dornoch, His wife, MUNRO, UF, daughter of MUNRO, JOSEPH, minister of Edderton. Children of UM Bethune and UF Munro: BETHUNE, MATTHEW, Dr., practised at Inverness, died 1820, married FORBES, JEAN of Ribigill, BETHUNE, WALTER, lived England, BETHUNE, ROBERT, emigrated to British America. BETHUNE, JOHN, died young, BETHUNE, JOSEPH, joined army, BETHUNE, CHIRSTY married SUTHERLAND, ROBERT, Captain, HEICS, BETHUNE, BARBARA, married ROSS, UM, Colonel, once of Gladfield, afterwards of Strathgarvie. BETHUNE, JANET, unmarried, lived Inverness. BETHUNE, HUGH, went to Kingston, Jamaica, son of BETHUNE, ANGUS, minister of Alness in Ross and brother of Dornoch minister, CAMERON, GEORGE, Sheriff-substitute at Tain, Married twice, to daughter of MACKENZIE, GILBERT of Invershin, and to daughter of TAYLOR, WILLIAM. LESLIE, ANGUS, under-factor to Duke of Sutherland on the Strathnaver district., LESLIE, ROBERT, Dr., went abroad. MACLEOD, UM, mason and crofter in Strathy, in Farr. TAYLOR, GEORGE, married MUNRO, CHRISTINA, daughter of MUNRO, JOHN, Captain of Kirkton. MACLEAN, SANDY, son of MACLEAN, UM, Captain, and SUTHERLAND, UF of Forse, lived Craigtown in Golspie. His ancestry. HAY, FERGUS HAY, JOHN HAY, ALEXANDER, All born in West Indies. BARCLAY, BOB COLIN, ANDREW FRASER, ALEXANDER, Dr., of Kirkhill, Donald Sage's uncle GRUB, JOHN (1748), school-master in Wemyss, Fife. TAYLOR, WILLIAM, sheriff-clerk, native of Tain, Had four brothers, He married, SUTHERLAND, UF, daughter of SUTHERLAND, JOHN, Captain ("who by her mother was, through the Kirtomy family, a cousin of my father") Children of William Taylor TAYLOR, GEORGE, contemporary of Donald Sage, TAYLOR, ROBERT, sheriff-substitute at Tain, married MUNRO, MARY, daughter of MUNRO, UM, Colonel of Poyntzfield LESLIE, HUGH, procurator-fiscal and innkeeper at Dornoch LESLIE, UF, Mrs., his wife ("an amazon") LESLIE, ANGUS, their second son ROSS, HUGH, ("Hugh the Laird"), Dornoch lawyer BOAG, JAMES, architect, lived Dornoch BOAG, UF, married ROSE, WILLIAM, elder of Dornoch parish UM, TON'L, Hugh Leslie's ostler. MACPHAIL, UM (1767), Resolis GORDON, BETTY and her sister, GORDON, ANNE Both "ancient" and unmarried daughters of the laird of Embo GORDON, UM, their brother was last laird in direct line, predecessor to GORDON, ROBERT HUME of Embo GRAY, UF, of the Sutherland Grays, lived London, died Creich, buried Dornoch MUNRO, WILLIAM, of Achany RAINY, UM, Rev., minister of Creich His wife, not named His children, RAINY, BELL married KENNEDY, ANGUS of Dornoc. RAINY, GEORGE, RAINY, HARRY, Latin tutor CAMPBELL, JAMES, native of Creich, minister of Kildonan in 1824. MURRAY, GILBERT, Catholic bishop, built (1222) church of St. Barr, Dornoch. Died 1 Apr 1240 at Dornoch. Cathedral was burnt in 1570 and rebuilt by GORDON, ROBERT, Sir, tutor of Sutherland WOOD, ANDREW, last of its bishops (1688). Reconstructed by SUTHERLAND, Duchess of in 1835-7. MORRISON, UM, innkeeper (ca 1760) at "the Dean's house", a ruin when Sage was at school. FRASER, ANGUS, merchant, built house on this site.

Hi I have some information in my work on a few of those on the list put up by Keith. I thought you would all be interested to read these references which are taken from my Families of Sutherland. Where there is no information after the date the people were cleared I think it is safe to say that they either emigrated or went away from Sutherland. If they do not appear on later census records they were not in the county. K160 ANDREW MACKAY married JANE MACKAY [1768-16/3/1850] [1791-21/2/1858] Andrew, a farmer, and Jane (Jean) were both in Achloan (Achlean), Dornoch, at the time of their wedding. Jane is the daughter of Alexander Mackay and Jane Matheson – see K94/1. She and Andrew married in Dornoch on 16 February 1811 (OPR). They had the following children born in Balvraid, Dornoch (OPR): ALEXANDER, born 2 December 1811; HECTOR, born 28 December 1813; MARRON, born 11 June 1816 [died 24 April 1847]; WILLIAM, born 16 May 1819 [married Mary Mackay – see K1705]; ANDREW, born 2 November 1821; ANGUS, born 10 January 1825 and his twin BARBARA [died 20 April 1859 Rhelochan – her brother Hector signed death certificate]; HUGH, born 19 December 1828. By 1841 this family had moved to Rhelocan (Rhilochan), Rogart. At Rhilochan, Andrew was a tenant with 12 acres. In 1851 still at Rhilochan, Jane (Jean) was a widow, lotter of 12 acres. Her son Hugh was a Cartwright. This census confirms that Jane and her children were born in Dornoch. Jane died at Rhelochan in 1858. Her son, Hector, signed the death certificate. This family are buried in Rogart where son Hector erected a stone to his parent’s memory in 1860 (GY94/180&181). K155 ANDREW MACKAY married BARBARA ROSS [died 15/12/1826] Andrew in Proncy, Dornoch, married Barbara in Dornoch on 16 December 1796 (OPR). They had a daughter: ANN, born 8 March 1798 Proncy, Dornoch (OPR). Barbara Ross died at Poles, Dornoch in 1826 (OPR). A list of those cleared by the Duchess of Sutherland in June 1811 includes Andrew Mackay at Proncymain. (4/01) The following one looks like being Angus Mackay at Achavandra (Achavandrew) – if it is then the Countess evicted a very old man! K191 ANGUS MACKAY married ANNA SUTHERLAND Angus and Anna had the following children: ANGUS, born 13 June 1738 Achivandra (Achavandra), Dornoch (OPR); DONALD, born 10 January 1740 Achivandra (OPR) and MARGARET, born 25 October 1745 Skelbo (OPR). (3/00) Is this David Mackay in Proncymain? K438 DAVID MACKAY married ISABELLA MACKAY David, a farmer, of Proncy, Dornoch, and Isabella (Isobel) of Dochfin, Dornoch, married in Dornoch on 25 December 1792 (OPR). They had the following children born Proncy (OPR): ALEXANDER, born 3 November 1793; HUGH, born 29 January 1796; HUGH, born 22 May 1797; MARGARET, born 19 December 1799; MARRION, born 21 July 1802; CHRISTY, born 9 May 1805 [died 30/11/1876] [married John Murray – see K397/8] and DONALD, born 14 September 1808. Note, Hugh, born 1796 is difficult to read on the Old Parish Register and may not be a Hugh. (4/00) This is Lachlan Mackay at Balvraid. He actually found a way back to Balvraid to have a later child! K1251 LAUCHLAN MACKAY married BARBARA MURRAY [c1764-20/1/1847] [c1770-4/5/1860] Lauchlan (Lachlan) at Blackstones, Dornoch, would appear to be the son of Alexander Mackay – see K010. Lauchlan married Barbara Murray, on 1 July 1790 in Dornoch (OPR). Barbara (Baby) at Cambusavie, is the daughter of Robert Murray and Barbara Munro - see Murray Families 6-010/1. Lauchlan and Barbara had the following children, born in Dornoch (OPR/IGI/NC): BARBARA, born 1794 [died 19 March 1864 Dornoch] [married George Murray - see K313/1] (DC); GIRZAL, born 1 August 1800 Balvraid; GEORGE, born circa 1800 [died 1 June 1866 Balvraid - bachelor] (DC); JANET, born 19 October 1802 Skelbo; ELSPAT, born 12 February 1805 Balvraid; ANNE, born 4 January 1807 Balvraid [died 16 January 1891 Balvraid] [married James Fraser – see K280] (DC); ALEXANDER, born 25 April 1809 Balvraid; DAVID, born 16 December 1811 Skelbo and JANE, born 7 August 1814 Balvraid [died 23 October 1861 Scourie, Eddrachillis] [married Alexander Mackay – see K94] (DC). The 1841 census shows Barbara at Balvraid, with her daughters Grace and Jean Mackay. Lauchlan died at Badninish in 1847 (OPR). Barbara died at Balvraid in 1860. Her son David signed the death certificate. (3/00) I have many more and will post them as time allows. DC= death certificate from GRO OPR = Old Parish Register I think the others are self explanatory but please ask if not. Christine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01

I very much appreciated the list of 1811 clearances posted, but one should exercise some caution in drawing conclusions that it means they in fact were removed to some other place by the 'Estate'. I have checked the Sutherland Papers, which of course refer to this period in some considerable detail. Patrick Sellar and William Young had just received their commissions by the Marquis and Marchioness of Sutherland in February of 1811, following on from Cosmo Falconer who had been Factor, and for whom they had been working for many months. One of the first things Patrick Sellar did apparently after receiving his commission was to do an inventory of the estate, its holdings, who was renting what, what leases there were current, etc. This is published and dated April 1811. His title for this was: "State of Lord and Lady Stafford's property in the County of Sutherland; prepared, with a view to the formation of a correct rentall of the sums due, Martinmas 1811 and Whitsunday 1812." (SEM. Vol 1., pp45-118) Meanwhile William Young was busy making wholesale removal plans on a grand scale as we now know. As I read it, he was planning to give notice on 15 or 16 May 1811 for the 'sett' of leases of 19 years as of Whitsunday (November) 1811, which meant that lots of families were about to get notices 'to remove'. His letter to the Marchioness of Stafford of 12 April (SEM, Vol. 2, p140-142) give these new lease descriptions in the vaguest of terms. For example, 'Lands to be sett on Leases of 19 years at Whitsunday 1811' list includes among many, the following: 'Evelicks and Cyderhall moors to be lotted out among dispossessed tenants. Proncy Croy with the exception of Moor Ground. Lower Proncey with the same exception. Balvraid as now laid off in two Farms 60 acres each and one of 30 acres' etc While the Sutherland Estate Management Papers as published do not include the names of 'named' individual tenants (i.e. named by Patrick Sellar in his report), since the editor of them purposely omitted them (why in God's name I don't know), they do include fairly detailed information about the general goings-on, if I can put it that way. Back to my point. While the 1811 list posted gives for example, "Mr. Andrew Sutherland Pittentrail from Davach beg" as being removed, this is not exactly what happened. In 1815 he is still listed as the principal tenant at Pittentrail along with 13 named tenants, paying rent of L112 s2 d8. (SEM, VOl. 1, p231). He may however have removed from 'Davochbeg', which in April 1811, Sellar notes, ' Davochbeg. Tenants: 7 named small tenants. Rent: L30. Duration: From Whitsunday 1801, no lease. Tenants' interest: 'Not ascertained whether any Stipulation or if the tenant may carry away the timber agreeably to practice' . Remarks: 'Tenants warned out; Mr. Young to say how to be possessed.' In 1815, Davochbeg was in the hands of John MacKay. Similarly, with regard to Mr. Donald McKenzie of 'Balfour and Covenlorkan?' given on the 1811 list. Patrick Sellar's notes of April 1811: 'Pitfure. Tenant: Mr. D. McKenzie. Rent: L45. Duration: Lease for 19 years expiring Whitsunday 1828 renounced. Remarks: 'This man has renounced his lease for Colonel Sutherland's Accomodation. Mr. Young to say how it is to be possessed'. There are similar comments for Mr. Donald McKenzie for Carranlorkan in April 1811. Balfour may be 'Ballifure'. I therefore suspect that others listed were perhaps 'warned out' by Sellar, but that doesn't mean they went anywhere very far, at least in 1811. Since we don't have a comparable detailed inventory/census of who lived where after Martinmas (November) 1811, at least for many years, one should read this list as just another clue to who lived where, when. I think the fact that they were there at Whitsunday 1811 to be warned is a great bit of information for us all. They may well have been there for several years more, we don't know for sure, at least from this list we don't know. Ron Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario Canada L0S 1J0

Hi There This is very interesting reading these names on these lists...would anyone know where this name "SACKVILLE" originates from?? I have some very early people that actually came out of Ireland...but may have been planted there some years before?? and there are oodles of them with this as a middle name.....SACKVILLE I noticed it used as a first name here SUTHERLAND, SACKVILLE, Captain, of Uppat It is not something that I would say would be a normal name.....smile....so I have to wonder where it came from to begin with Cathy

Hi Betty, Thank you for posting this information to the list. I can't resist adding the following quote from Mem. Dom. since it describes my ancestor's house (including its location) and shows Mary Russell's fine character. To set the stage, Mary Russell had just married Charles Gordon and was en route to Achnamoine when they stopped for two days at the manse in Kildonan. "The wife accompanied her lord to a country, the localities, accommodations, and privations of which she had not thought or dreamed of. On the morning previous to their departure from my father's house to Achnamoine, she asked my step-mother what sort of a domicile might be found at Achnamoine, and whether it was like the manse. My step-mother led her to the gable window of the upper east room, and, pointing very emphatically to John Meadhonach's long, straggling, turf hovel, which might be seen from the window, said, "It is like that, but scarcely so good." The poor Anglo-Saxon burst into tears, and exclaimed, "Mercy on me," but checking herself, added, "Well, domestic happiness is as sweet even in a cot as in a palace." And it was as she said. She lived with her husband many years in the turf-house at Achnamoine very happily." Sage adds that Charles built a better house later. Rena >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 4/13/2001, 8:26:02 AM, "Betty Warrilow" <betty@getfor.com> wrote regarding Memorabilia: > To Canadian users of this site try interlibrary loan for Sage's MEMORABILIA DOMESTICA. The McLaughlin Library, University of Guelp has a number of copies and the best collection of Scottish material outside Scotland. The library also had THE HOUSE OF GORDON volume iii GORDONS UNDER ARMS by Skelton and Bulloch who used as one of the references Sage's material to compile their list. By the way I descend from the Thomas Gordon of Achnamoine from his son Charles who married an "Anglo-Saxon" (Sage's description of Mary Russell) and according to Sage, "Mrs Gordon was universally esteemed; so, however, was not he altogether. He had some feud or other on his hand every day of the year.." When I feel out of sorts with my fellow men I put the blame on dear Charles who came to Canada in the early 1840's but died on his way to take up a land grant in Sydenham Township, Grey County, Ontario. Betty > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

I obtained this book some weeks ago, a 1975 reprint, by ILL, from the Public Library in Goderich. I have not found a copy for sale ANYWHERE in the free world... Ron Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario Canada L0S 1J0

Would anyone have any information about the Sutherland Bible? I found the following quote in a letter from distant realtives written about 30 years ago and would love to know more about this particular Bible. "I had a Gaelic Testament which has on its fly leaf 'Betsy Clarke, her Bible' (before the days of the apostrophe). The Testament - or Bible - I gave to my nephew who is interested in such things - I have since learned that “the Sutherland Bible” is becoming very rare and thus valuable - The book has a plate in the front which states that it is a gift from the Duke of Sutherland to his friends in New Scotland. I don’t know what became of the family Bible that everyone had then. The plate bears the Duke’s signature." Kathleen plister@nbnet.nb.ca

I am interested in this family too - William and David were family names. Mary-Ann Farr Robin Van Belleghem wrote: > > Hi Everyone > How do I find out if the David McKay mentioned at Proncynain is my > g.g.g.g.grandfather. > > Thanks > Robin > -----Original Message----- > From: K & C Maynard <caithara@ihug.co.nz> > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, April 12, 2001 7:03 AM > Subject: requests for info 1811 clearances in Dornoch. > > >Hi All, > > > >I received lots of requests for info from the list so it is probably easier > >if I just type the whole thing out here. > > > >I will transcribe the list as best I can (.They did have strange > handwriting > >in 1811) > >If anyone can help with the spelling of these places please let me > >know.....so here goes...and I hope that some connections turn up for > >somebody. > > > >Regards > >Keith in N.Z > > > > > >"List of persons removed at the instances of the Marquis and Marchioness in > >Sutherland, June 1811. > > > >Parish of Golspie > > > >William Ferguson > >John Ferguson . both from Golspie Tower of Languish > >William McPherson from a part of the lowlands of Golspie > >Donald Bannerman > >John McPherson & Marion Grant, Widow from Balblair > > > >Parish of Dornoch > > > >Alexander Ross, from a garden in Dornoch > > > >from Achlean > >William McIntosh > >Andrew McKay > > > >From Drumdivan ? > >Charles McKenzie > >Alexander Murray > >James Barclay > >Alexander McLeod > >James Gordon, Widow > >James Sutherland > >William Clarke > >George McKay > > > >From Achavandrew > >James Matheson Snr > >James Matheson Jnr > >John Matheson > >Angus Mckay > >John McKay > >Hugh Murray > >William Ross > >Alexander McKenzie > >John McKay > >Donald McKay > > > >From Balvraid > >Angus Matheson > >John Sutherland > >John McKay > >George Gray > >Katherine Ross, Widow > >Lachlan McKay > >John Ross. Snr > >John Ross. Jnr > >Angus Sutherland > >George Campbell > >Alexander Ross > >Robert McPherson > >James Ross > >James Matheson > >John Murray > >James McKenzie > > > >From Proncynain > >David McKay > >William Mckay > >Alexander Ross > >Angus Sutherland....this is my man !! > >John McKay > >William McKay > >Andrew McKay > > > >From Proncycroy > >Alexander Sutherland > >Sutherland, daughter of James Sutherland > >Farquhar Calder > >Alexander Matheson > >Forbes, Widow > > > >Parish of Rogart > > > >Mr Donald McKenzie Balfour & Covenlorkan ? > >Mr Anrew Sutherland Pittentraill from Davach beg ? > > > >From Davochbeg > >James Campbell > >Andrew Sutherland > >Anne Sutherland, widow > >Helen or Molly Murray > >Hugh Innes > >Donald Sutherland > > > >Alexander Grant from Achnagarrin ? > >Lilly Sutherland, widow > > > >Mrs Helen Clunes or McKenzie, Kintraid > > > >Parish Of Loth > > > >Mr John Bargrie from Midgarty and from Loiss in the Parish of Kildonan" > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > >You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You > can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > >============================== > >Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > >Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > >http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

To Canadian users of this site try interlibrary loan for Sage's MEMORABILIA DOMESTICA. The McLaughlin Library, University of Guelp has a number of copies and the best collection of Scottish material outside Scotland. The library also had THE HOUSE OF GORDON volume iii GORDONS UNDER ARMS by Skelton and Bulloch who used as one of the references Sage's material to compile their list. By the way I descend from the Thomas Gordon of Achnamoine from his son Charles who married an "Anglo-Saxon" (Sage's description of Mary Russell) and according to Sage, "Mrs Gordon was universally esteemed; so, however, was not he altogether. He had some feud or other on his hand every day of the year.." When I feel out of sorts with my fellow men I put the blame on dear Charles who came to Canada in the early 1840's but died on his way to take up a land grant in Sydenham Township, Grey County, Ontario. Betty

Here is my first installment of names given in "Memorabilia Domestica; or Parish Life in the North of Scotland. By the Late Rev. Donald Sage, A.M. Minister of Resolis. Edited by his son. Wick: W. Rae. Edinburgh: John Menzies and Co. 1889". Frances Bishop has informed me that this book was reprinted in 1975. Frances wrote: "I have never seen a copy of the reprint (Publisher: Edinburgh : Albyn Press, 1975 - according to the COPAC database). As far as we know, the reprint is as scarce as the original version (printed in Wick). It's unlikely to have a more comprehensive index than the second edition (1899). Most reprints use a photographic process to reproduce the original pages, then sandwich them between new covers. The COPAC site (University Research Library Catalogue, http://www.copac.ac.uk/copac ) may be worth a mention when you post your extracts. Readers in the UK can use COPAC to find the nearest available copy of Mem.Dom. (either version)." I do not have a copy of the book either. It is available in our university library and I have photocopied several chapters. This explains why I am starting on Chapter 7. The next email (a day or two hence) will give names from Chapter 9.... If this proves helpful, we'll eventually work our way through the entire book but not necessarily in the original sequence. I am open to suggestions on format and content for preparing future lists. Any suggestions? Rena Chapter VII, DONALD SAGE; HIS CHILDHOOD. 1789-1800. Abbreviations: UF = Unnamed female; UM = Unnamed male, used when the name (generally the first name) is not given in the text. SAGE, ENEAS, brother of Rev. Donald Sage. SAGE, ELIZABETH (“BETTY”), his sister. MACKAY, DAVID, minister of Reay. POLSON, MARION, Eneas Sage's nurse, Her husband, MACKAY, DONALD, catechist, Kildonan. CORBETT, BARBARA, Donald Sage’s nurse. Her husband, MURRAY JOHN, Loth, Their daughter, MURRAY, BARBARA, Sage’s foster sister and later his servant. FRASER, HUGH, Eneas’ tutor, Kildonan. MACKAY, ELSPAT (“Eppy”), the housekeeper. Her admirer, ROSS, JOHN, miller of Kildonan. MACLEOD, DONALD, native of Tain, school master, Kildonan. MACLEOD, Mrs. UF, his wife and widow of GUNN, UM, school teacher at Kildonan. SUTHERLAND, GEORGE, Major, of Midgarty, Loth. His descent, His second wife, ROBERTSON, UF, His daughters, SUTHERLAND, JANET, lived London, married GRAY, UM, of Grays of Skibo, SUTHERLAND, ESTHER, lived Aberdeen, married SUTHERLAND, UM, Lieut., son of SUTHERLAND, UM, Sheriff of Shribercross. SUTHERLAND, JEAN, married SAGE, ALEXANDER, Rev., minister of Kildonan, father of Donald Sage. SUTHERLAND, WILLIAMINA, married BAIGRIE, ROBERT, Captain, Midgarty. Native of Buchan, He first married HADDON, UF and had a daughter who lived London. Children of Williamina Sutherland and Robert Baigrie, BAIGRIE, ROBERT. SUTHERLAND, CHARLOTTE, lived West Indies, married MACFARQUHAR, UM, Doctor. SUTHERLAND, ELIZABETH, married GORDON, JOSEPH, tacksman of Navidale, Loth, died Edinburgh. Brother of GORDON, JOHN, Laird of Carroll. SUTHERLAND, ROBERTA, married POPE, ROBERT, Son of POPE, PETER, Nephew of POPE, ALEXANDER, Rev. minister of Reay. SUTHERLAND, JANET (daughter by second wife) married MACKAY, KENNETH, Captain, Torboll. Major George Sutherland's sons SUTHERLAND, GEORGE, Major, died India, SUTHERLAND, JAMES, died West Indies, SUTHERLAND, ROBERT, died St. Domingo. His grandson SUTHERLAND, ROBERT, natural son of Robert, Torboll. His brother, SUTHERLAND, UM, laird of Langwell and Berriedale. The laird’s eldest son, UM, The son’s wife, SINCLAIR, UF, heiress of Brabster and West Canisbay, Their son, SUTHERLAND, GEORGE, of Brabster and Canisbay, GORDON, CHARLES, of Pulrossie. SINCLAIR, JOHN, Sir, of Langwell. MACCULLOCH, UM, Rev., minister of Loth. BAIN, RODERICK (“RORY”), elder at Kildonan. SUTHERLAND, DONALD {“Muckle (Big) Donald”), servant to Alex. Sage. HOUSTON, LOUIS, Easter Helmsdale, leased Scalbisdale and Suisgill. HOUSTON, Mrs. UF ROSS, ALEXANDER, tacksman at Wester Helmsdale, Brother of ROSS, WALTER, minister of Clyne, Natives of Ross-shire, POPE, UF, wife of Alexander Ross, Daughter of POPE, PETER, brother of the minister of Reay,

Hi All, I received lots of requests for info from the list so it is probably easier if I just type the whole thing out here. I will transcribe the list as best I can (.They did have strange handwriting in 1811) If anyone can help with the spelling of these places please let me know.....so here goes...and I hope that some connections turn up for somebody. Regards Keith in N.Z "List of persons removed at the instances of the Marquis and Marchioness in Sutherland, June 1811. Parish of Golspie William Ferguson John Ferguson . both from Golspie Tower of Languish William McPherson from a part of the lowlands of Golspie Donald Bannerman John McPherson & Marion Grant, Widow from Balblair Parish of Dornoch Alexander Ross, from a garden in Dornoch from Achlean William McIntosh Andrew McKay From Drumdivan ? Charles McKenzie Alexander Murray James Barclay Alexander McLeod James Gordon, Widow James Sutherland William Clarke George McKay From Achavandrew James Matheson Snr James Matheson Jnr John Matheson Angus Mckay John McKay Hugh Murray William Ross Alexander McKenzie John McKay Donald McKay From Balvraid Angus Matheson John Sutherland John McKay George Gray Katherine Ross, Widow Lachlan McKay John Ross. Snr John Ross. Jnr Angus Sutherland George Campbell Alexander Ross Robert McPherson James Ross James Matheson John Murray James McKenzie From Proncynain David McKay William Mckay Alexander Ross Angus Sutherland....this is my man !! John McKay William McKay Andrew McKay From Proncycroy Alexander Sutherland Sutherland, daughter of James Sutherland Farquhar Calder Alexander Matheson Forbes, Widow Parish of Rogart Mr Donald McKenzie Balfour & Covenlorkan ? Mr Anrew Sutherland Pittentraill from Davach beg ? From Davochbeg James Campbell Andrew Sutherland Anne Sutherland, widow Helen or Molly Murray Hugh Innes Donald Sutherland Alexander Grant from Achnagarrin ? Lilly Sutherland, widow Mrs Helen Clunes or McKenzie, Kintraid Parish Of Loth Mr John Bargrie from Midgarty and from Loiss in the Parish of Kildonan"

It goes without saying, any information on my Gunn (Gun) family to be found in this chronicle will be of great interest to me Rena. I can't thank you enough for all the help you've been to me already. JDW

Very interested in any Munro's and Murray's that may have been cleared. Heather Murray Canada K & C Maynard wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a copy of the list of who were cleared from the Dornoch parish in > 1811, if anybody would like me to check for ancestors please let me know. > > regards > > Keith > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Hi, Thanks for the posting Julie-Ann ----- Original Message ----- From: "K & C Maynard" <caithara@ihug.co.nz> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:58 AM Subject: requests for info 1811 clearances in Dornoch. > Hi All, > > I received lots of requests for info from the list so it is probably easier > if I just type the whole thing out here. > > I will transcribe the list as best I can (.They did have strange handwriting > in 1811) > If anyone can help with the spelling of these places please let me > know.....so here goes...and I hope that some connections turn up for > somebody. > > Regards > Keith in N.Z > > > "List of persons removed at the instances of the Marquis and Marchioness in > Sutherland, June 1811. > > Parish of Golspie > > William Ferguson > John Ferguson . both from Golspie Tower of Languish > William McPherson from a part of the lowlands of Golspie > Donald Bannerman > John McPherson & Marion Grant, Widow from Balblair > > Parish of Dornoch > > Alexander Ross, from a garden in Dornoch > > from Achlean > William McIntosh > Andrew McKay > > From Drumdivan ? > Charles McKenzie > Alexander Murray > James Barclay > Alexander McLeod > James Gordon, Widow > James Sutherland > William Clarke > George McKay > > From Achavandrew > James Matheson Snr > James Matheson Jnr > John Matheson > Angus Mckay > John McKay > Hugh Murray > William Ross > Alexander McKenzie > John McKay > Donald McKay > > From Balvraid > Angus Matheson > John Sutherland > John McKay > George Gray > Katherine Ross, Widow > Lachlan McKay > John Ross. Snr > John Ross. Jnr > Angus Sutherland > George Campbell > Alexander Ross > Robert McPherson > James Ross > James Matheson > John Murray > James McKenzie > > From Proncynain > David McKay > William Mckay > Alexander Ross > Angus Sutherland....this is my man !! > John McKay > William McKay > Andrew McKay > > From Proncycroy > Alexander Sutherland > Sutherland, daughter of James Sutherland > Farquhar Calder > Alexander Matheson > Forbes, Widow > > Parish of Rogart > > Mr Donald McKenzie Balfour & Covenlorkan ? > Mr Anrew Sutherland Pittentraill from Davach beg ? > > From Davochbeg > James Campbell > Andrew Sutherland > Anne Sutherland, widow > Helen or Molly Murray > Hugh Innes > Donald Sutherland > > Alexander Grant from Achnagarrin ? > Lilly Sutherland, widow > > Mrs Helen Clunes or McKenzie, Kintraid > > Parish Of Loth > > Mr John Bargrie from Midgarty and from Loiss in the Parish of Kildonan" > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > >

Dear Keith, Only have one family I know of from there, and don't know if still alive in 1811 as I have no death dates. Donald DUFF and wife Catherine MATHESON. Thank you Jean from NZ K & C Maynard wrote: > Hi All, > > I have a copy of the list of who were cleared from the Dornoch parish in > 1811, if anybody would like me to check for ancestors please let me know. > > regards > > Keith > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library

Yes, I would be very interested in receiving a list of names in this book. Sincerely Isabella Christensen ----- Original Message ----- From: Rena Singleton <rena@pathtech.org> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 5:18 PM Subject: Memorabilia Domestica > "Memorabilia Domestica, or Parish Life in the North of Scotland," is a > rare book. It is a treasure to family genealogists tracing their roots > in Sutherland, especially if their ancestors and their families are > mentioned in the book. > > Since the book is not readily available to everyone, I am offering to > prepare lists of persons named in it ... if others are interested. Does > anyone want these lists? > > Rena > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >