The ferry at Tongue was a rowing boat, si I doubt whether the ferryman was anything but self employed, although he probably had to pay rent for the use of any pier, landing stage, etc. Does anyone else have any information ? For those interested in Tongue, there is an informal Email Group of, at present about 20 people worldwide. For further details contact me on donaldmassey @compuserve.com NOT my Yahoo address. Donald Massey ----- Original Message ----- > I wonder if anybody out there might know what the employment status of a > ferryman might be in the 1840s/1880s. > > My greatgreatGrandfather - Robert MUNRO - was a ferryman at Tongue in that > period and in order to follow up some aspects of his life I'm trying to find > out if he would be self-employed, in the service of one of the landowners or > in County or State service. Any information gratefully received. > > > ______________________________

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***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** In 1829 the Duke of Sutherland bought the Reay estate and started an extensive programme of road making - funded by himself - although using the county road administration (the problem was that the volume of traffic in Sutherland was insufficient to pay for construction or indeed maintenance costs). This included several chain ferries over the northern rivers - for instance the Hope and Naver -and crossings at Kylesku, Eriboll and Tongue. The Sutherland estate paid for the ferrymen's houses, boats and subsidised the crossings. That was certainly the case into the 1850s. I cannot recall the precise arrangements at Tongue. At Kylesku the ferryman was tenant of the inn. As tourist traffic increased between 1830 and 1880, the need for subsidy would presumably have diminished. The Sutherland Papers in the National Library will provide answers - check the rentals and also the accounts for the Tongue District factorship. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: Jimfowler3@aol.com [mailto:Jimfowler3@aol.com] Sent: 18 April 2001 00:02 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Ferryman at Tongue ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* I wonder if anybody out there might know what the employment status of a ferryman might be in the 1840s/1880s. My greatgreatGrandfather - Robert MUNRO - was a ferryman at Tongue in that period and in order to follow up some aspects of his life I'm trying to find out if he would be self-employed, in the service of one of the landowners or in County or State service. Any information gratefully received. A' the best to you and yours Jim Fowler Gateshead UK http://members.aol.com/chieflymurder ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Hello Mary I had been hoping that someone else would answer this because old maps are hard to come by! We could all do with knowing where there is one. I have a map which I will try to scan later today (going to work now) and send to you. Christine -----Original Message----- From: MCLEOD MARY [mailto:mhm45@home.com] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 1:45 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Map of Sutherland Does anyone know if there is a map of the old Sutherlandshire on the web anywhere? If not, could someone give me a rough idea of where the borders were in relation to a modern map? Thank you. Molly McLeod in Toronto ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01

Fabulous site Sara. Thanks for the tip. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:Sethomas@btinternet.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2001 10:37 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Pictou, Nova Scotia Forgive me if this site is well-known, but I saw headstones & cemeteries where several Sutherland folk were laid to rest: www.rootsweb.com/~pictou/svstone.htm . (The home page of this colourful site is www.rootsweb.com/~pictou/index.htm) Sara ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01

Searching for info. on: Hugh McKenzie, Tanner of Parish of Creigh, Sutherlandshire...his daughter Catherine MCKENZIE married David SUTHERLAND, cooper, boat builder and fish-curer. David died circa 1805. thankyou. theresa.

Searching for information: Christy SUTHERLAND m. Donald SUTHERLAND, tanner and miller, they had 2 sons, Angus and David or Donald, who came to British provinces in 1803. Christy Sutherland was the 1st daughter of Christina ROSS and Kenneth SUTHERLAND. born circa 1740ish.... t.

Does anyone happen to have knowledge of where I could locate marriages that would have taken place in Meikleferry circa mid-1700's? also searching for a : Christina ROSS, parents unknown, who married my Kenneth SUTHERLAND. thankyou, Theresa.

I am wondering if anyone knows where I can get info. from/on the following: 1. Ross of Balnagown papers 2. printed indices to Deeds and Sasines (ca 70 vols, published, SRO) 3. Alexander Matheson, Esq. of Ardroos, was MP for Ross and Cromartie 19th Century 4. William Fraser, The Earls Cromartie Their Kindred, County and Correspondance, 2vols. Edinburgh 1876, vol 1, p xxiv, vol 11, pg 168 5. letter from Alexander Grant of Grant to the second Earl of Cromartie, from Castle Grant, 13 march 1714....refers to the Laird of Ardross and his wife. thankyou for any suggestions, no matter how small. Theresa.

Hello everyone, I am new to the list, so forgive me for the failure to include information in my first posting. In short, I am searching for the Sutherland Family of MeikleFerry. Here is a little bit about them... Angus 1 Sutherland b.c 1660 d.1745, he was Tutor of ArdRoss, and was said to have been taken prisoner on the Earl of Cromarty's entrance into Sutherlandshire. He had at least 2 children: Angus 2, and Kenneth 2. Kenneth 2 married a Christina ROSS, of Ross-shire. Kenneth 2 had children: Angus, David, Donald, Janet and Christina Sutherland. Donald 3 (born Meikleferry) , married Christina GORDON,the 12th of April 1788 in Dornoch. her parents: James Gordon of Golspie, and Jane Mackay., her parents were married at Dunvedin...and via the marriage of Donald Sutherland and Christina Gordon, ties us to the 12th Earl of Sutherland. Donald 3 died in 1798 of apoplexy, and Christina Gordon, later re-married a: Capt. George Munro, and had children: James, Mary and Isabella Munro. This Capt Munro died behind near the Meikleferry when his horse fell. Donald 3 Sutherland and Christina Gordon had 5 children: Spencer, Kenneth, John, Jane and Christina. Kenneth 4 Sutherland, was said to have been a Tutor to the children of the Earl of Caithness. Further information shall follow in future. Should anyone happen to know anything no matter how small about this family, it would be most truly appreciated. I have been told that there was an Old Sutherland Home, since 1625 in Meikleferry, that was supposed to have been demolished in the 1970's...but we are still trying to locate the photo. The family is also tied to a Leslie family....Hugh Leslie, a proctorfiscal in Dornoch married our Christina Sutherland, and they had many children....one was a Lieut. Angus Leslie b.1789, baptized Dornoch, and died 25 March 1856 and he is buried at Dornoch Cemetary. He was in the 93rd regiment. Anyways, any information is appreciated., would love to hear from you. Most Cordially, Theresa Coleman

Forgive me if this site is well-known, but I saw headstones & cemeteries where several Sutherland folk were laid to rest: www.rootsweb.com/~pictou/svstone.htm . (The home page of this colourful site is www.rootsweb.com/~pictou/index.htm) Sara

I wonder if anybody out there might know what the employment status of a ferryman might be in the 1840s/1880s. My greatgreatGrandfather - Robert MUNRO - was a ferryman at Tongue in that period and in order to follow up some aspects of his life I'm trying to find out if he would be self-employed, in the service of one of the landowners or in County or State service. Any information gratefully received. A' the best to you and yours Jim Fowler Gateshead UK http://members.aol.com/chieflymurder

Hello Steven No my family are not from Clunell. I did some work on Clunell while writing my Murray book. I just looked at the modern map of Lairg and believe it or not it is now written Claonel!! If you want to see where it is it is south west from Lairg just above Gruids. I have looked and do not see a marriage between James and Catherine McDonald. Men and women sometimes did marry young especially when they were about to emigrate. I think your John Hugh is the John, born 15 March 1812. There are very few children in the registers of Sutherland with a middle name. The earlier John probably died. It was quite normal to use the name again especially if it was a family name. I think there is every chance that the baby Hugh died also. I will keep your info close to hand and if I come up with anything further will be in touch. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Steven Sutherland [mailto:sksutherland@earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, April 16, 2001 2:09 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: SUT- Sutherlands from Cloenel, Creich Parish, Sutherlandshire Hi Christine. Thanks for you timely response. > I am wondering if your family came from Clunell, > Lairg? All of the information that we have spells 'Clunell' as Cloenel. I am certain that it is the same place. > Janet and Donald married in Lairg on 14 March 1800. The children shown in the > register for them are: William, 21 February 1804; John, 22 June 1806; Hugh, > 22 August 1809; John, 15 March 1812; Roderick, 21 August 1814 and Donald, 12 > July 1817. These dates may be baptismal rather than birth. > The first John probably died as a baby. We also have a Jane, b. 1802, d. 1867 m. Donald Barclay. Also, we do not show a John and a Hugh, but rather a John Hugh, b. 1812, d. 1882, m. Eliz McDonald. > I am very interested in the marriage between James Sutherland and Ann > Gordon - did this take place in Sutherland? We have no information on the record of marriage for James and Ann Gordon. We have a reference of an earlier marriage for James to Catherine McDonald. James would have been 20 years old when they sailed to NS. What was the typical age of marriage back then? It is possible the marriage took place in Sutherland. Steve Sutherland Minneapolis, MN ICQ 6960958 AIM stevenpsut ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** The list comes the Forfeited Estates rental for Lord Duffus' estate in Sutherland. The Forfeited Estates Papers are in the National Archives of Scotland. There were many wadsets on the estate and thus most of the possessors' names are not given. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes [mailto:chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 15 April 2001 06:46 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: Skelbo tenants ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* This is wonderful. Proof of Murrays as early as 1718. Did you read this book while you were in Dornoch? Is it in the library? Christine -----Original Message----- From: Mhairi Mackay [mailto:mhairi@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Sunday, April 15, 2001 12:52 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Skelbo tenants Looking through notes I came upon pages copied from the History of Dornoch Cathedral & Parish, by (poss. Rev Mr Bethune). Tenants on the Skelbo estate in 1718 Pronsie - James Sutherland -900 merks Scots Evelicks - James Sutherland -720 do Rearquhar - John Sutherland - 450 do Breagrudie - Alexander Sutherland - L425 16s 8d Scots meikle Torboll - Hugh Sutherland - 300 merks Scots Coul - William Sutherland , Donald Murray, and John McIntosh -4bolls bear and 9/- Stg. Easter Skelbo - George Murray - 4 bolls bear and 3 merks Scots Cambusavie - David Sutherland Knockglass - John Munro, Wm. mackay, John Macintosh, Alex. Mathewson Achandrew - John Mcalea, Donald McKay, Thomas Matthewson, Alex. Mcalea, James mackay, John mackay. Balvraid - John and Donald mackay, John Harp, John Sutherland. William Macintosh , officer of Skelbo depones he has a possession of the lands of Skelbo of yearly value of Two Bolls bear allowed him for his service as Officer to the Barony of Skelbo, and that there is waste in the barony of Skelbo beside a halfpenny land to the value of Two Bolls and Six Shillings Sterling, Threepenny lands with 12 bolls bear and 27 merks Scots yearly. Thought this would add to the information we are all slowly gathering. Ann Mackay ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

Hello Glen, Can you provide more info on this Campbell? Since we last talked, I discovered that Duncan Sutherland(1797 Rogart), who is burried in Earltown had a brother William a year or two older. He is a mystery as nothing is known of him. Duncan's cousin, John Sutherland(Coach, my bunch) named his first son William. His last son was a Robert and this makes me wonder. As you know, Duncan's mother was Katherine Campbell of Rogart. Her sister is supposed to be John's mother. Lee Sutherland _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Hi Lyndall, Thank you for this answer on military titles. I was, of course, leaping ahead of myself in wondering whether Colonel and Captain Cluness were the same man. The answer is revealed in an upcoming chapter of Mem. Dom. Stay tuned. Rena >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Original Message <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< On 4/16/2001, 4:07:43 AM, "Lyndall" <lyfrah@goldweb.com.au> wrote regarding Re: A Question on Military Titles or Honorifics: > Hello Rena, > I don't think that the same still applies, but it used to > be that when an army officer retired, he was promoted by one rank. This > could explain why Kenneth Mackay, who did not rise higher than a lieutenant > during his army career, was later referred to as "Captain". > This system of promotion upon retirement explains why there used to be so > many retired colonels around. Lots of men were obliged to retire when they > were majors and, upon retirement, became lieutenant colonel - the gouty old > fellows often referred to in cartoons etc. :o) > Sage was not the only one who was inconsistent in his spelling of CLUNES; I > have come across Cluness, Clunas, Clunis and Clunise! > Lyndall > ----- Original Message ----- > Yesterday's quote on John and Kenneth Mackay from Mem. Dom. illustrated > this question on military titles and honorifics. > Sage wrote the Kenneth Mackay did not rise higher than lieutenant during > his army career, yet refers to him as "captain." Can anyone explain why? > Sage also mentioned a Colonel Cluness and a Captain Cluness. Does anyone > know whether these are two different men, or simply different honorifics? > (I also should mention that Sage was inconsistent in his spelling. > Cluness, as an example, was spelled both "Cluness" and "Clunes". His > spelling of Gaelic words or place names was even more variable.) > Rena > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB

Looking for parents, siblings or birth location of William MacDonald, b. ca. 1750 in the Parish of Creich, married ca. 1785 to Catherine Campbell of Lochbroom. They and their children emigrated to Nova Scotia in 1801 and were among the first settlers of Mount Thom, Pictou County. Glen Matheson Glenholme, NS

I am looking for the parents of a Margaret Campbell, b. ca. 1798 and married on January 8, 1819 at Dornoch to Donald Murray of Rearcher, Dornoch. (This couple migrated to Nova Scotia in 1832). The naming pattern of thier children suggest that her parents might have been a Hugh and Isabella. Oral tradition indicates a link between her family and the Campbells of Knockarthur, Rogart although that link may have been through the Murrays as well. Glen Matheson Glenholme, NS

Hi everybody I found the following in a book entitled "Invercargill's Pioneers". Invercargill is the southernmost city in New Zealand and was settled predominantly by scottish settlers. My own ancestors settled there having first emigrated to Canada, then onto Victoria, Australia then onto Invercargill, New Zealand, probably following the gold rushes. Anyway there was an Alexander Bethune mentioned in this book as follows: Rev. Alexander Bethune 1812 to 20-1-1893 Alexander Bethune was born at Kinghorn, Fifeshire and became a parish teacher. Joining the Free Kirk he studied under Chalmers and in 1848 became a licensed probationer. Four years later he brought his wife to Otago (NZ) and for a year was a teacher at Green Island (a suburb of Dunedin). He was 44 years of age when he came south in the "Star". On 2 March 1856 at Bluff he preached his first sermon in Southland with three ships lying in the harbour, the Provincial officials and intending settlers gathered round, and the seamen-settlers remembering, perhaps the visits of Selwyn and Watkins some 12 years earlier. He did not immediately settle in the South, but brought his wife and child down in the Star in November. On 10 November 1856 he preached the first sermon in Invercargill by the banks of the Puni and near the present Bank of New South Wales. Among those present would be Ligar (Surveyor-General)m, Macandrew, J.P. Taylor (later Superintendent) Sherwood Roberts, J.T. Thomson and his survey party, Kelly, Lind and the other few local residents. On their sections (9, 10 and 11) beyond Racecourse Road, overlooking the Waihopai, the Bethune's built their first sod hut, in the vicinity of Mr J.S. Robbie's present residence. Here, according to an identity, he taught some of his neighbour's children - the beginning of education in the Invercargill district. Apparently he later conducted a private school in the town, and when the first Education Committee was set up, he was appointed the first teacher, opening the school in the Courthouse in 1860 and in the schoolhouse (Tay Street) in the following year. In the meantime although he was not ordained minister, he gathered together the Prebyterians in the community and held services at Lind's hotel, the Customs - Post Office, the little goal, the Courthouse and in the schoolhouse. When the Presbyterian Church was organised he held for many years the positions of clerk to the Presbytery and senior elder. He reached the age of 81. His window, Frances Bethune, lived to the age of 87 and died at the residence of her daughter Mrs J.S. Baxter on 26 March 1906. Others of the family were Mrs Schofield and Mrs F.J. Cato (both of Melbourne), Miss Bethune and A.W. Bethune (Inspector of Machinery). Mary-Ann Farr Christchurch, NZ Searching McKay, Sutherland, Rose Richard Graham wrote: > > Hello everyone. I'm new on this list and am looking to correspond with > anyone who may be able to help me establish a link to other ancestors or > descendants of one William MacKay born circa 1790 married to Catherine > Bethune, born circa 1795. I believe from family history that has been > passed down thru the generations that these individuals may have been > from or lived in the Rogart/ Lairg area. Catherine Bethune's parents may > have been John Bethune and Flora Baton. Johm and Flora immigrated to > Shelburne, Nova Scotia, Canada about 1816. John and Flora's daughter > remained in Scotland when they immigrated and married William MacKay. > > William and Catherine had the following family: Alexander (1830), > William (1832), John (1835), Donald (1837), Robert (1839), Philip > (1842), Margaret (1846), William (1849). Alexander was the first to > leave Scotland ( about 1858 ) for Nova Scotia. He stayed in Shelburne > with his grandparents for a time and then went to visit some relatives > by the name of ROSS in Pictou, later settleing in the Stewiacke Valley > area of Colchester County, Nova Scotia. Alexander married Eleanor Brown > and it is from these individuals from whom I descend. > > Alex's brothers, William, John, Donald and Robert also immigrated to > Canada. William and John settled in Manitoba in the Canadian west. > William was married to Catherine and John to Christina Murray. Donald > was also married and died in Canada. Philip died in Oregon, U.S.A. > > The dates connected to the above individuals may or may not be correct > so please consider errors if you think you may be able to help with this > family. I would also be interested in pursuing the Bethune surname. To > date I've drawn a blank in locating the death place or dates of John and > Flora Bethune in Nova Scotia or connecting them with other Bethune's. > > Thanks in advance for your consideration in assisting with connecting > this family to our ancestors in Scotland. > > Regards, Richard Graham > Nova Scotia, Canada > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2

Shirley A while back you posted a list of your Bruce ancestors. This list included Donald BRUCE married to Helen GORDON of Rogart. Do you have any further information on this couple? This Gordon may link to my own. Christine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01