Does anyone know the name of a newspaper during the early to mid 1800's that would have discussed or had mention of great sheep raisers, and this persons flock bring high prizes at stock fairs....they would have lived Sutherlandshire..... thanks, for any suggestions.

Oops, forgot to mention, that the father of Jane Mackay, John Mackay, was also mentioned as being a taxman of Muckleferry. Not sure if this makes a difference....

Searching for information on: Jane Mackay and James Gordon...their children were: Christian (christina), John, Alexander, Robert and Joseph. Jane Mackay was the daughter of William(James)7 Mackay, and James Gordon, was the son of John Gordon, land proprietor in Lord Reays Co....via Jane, they are tied to the 12th Earl of Sutherland. Their above daughter, married my Donald Sutherland the 12th of April 1788 in Golspie. Any further information on Christina Gordon is appreciated.

Is there anyone who has copies or information as to where one can find information from the Kirk Session records, so as to verify the buriel of ones relative in the basement (tombs) of the Dornoch Cathedral. Two of my relatives are supposidly buried there, an Angus and Kenneth Sutherland, early 1700's.

Does anyone have knowledge of an Old Sutherland Home, which dates from 1625, and is in Embo, about 3 miles from Dornoch? The house was owned by a Sutherland in 1977.

Can anyone tell me how popular it was for the Duke of Sutherland to buy commissions for people to go into the army..... ie. I have: The Duke of Sutherland, chief of the clan bought commissions in the Army for my father and Uncle Spencer, and one in the Navy for Robert Leslie, who was studying medicine. My grandmother would not hear of the boys going into the Army, so she would not accept of the Duke's favour, but Aunt Leslie accepted, and her son was a naval doctor for some years.....etc.... did this happen often, would they have to been a close relation, friends, etc? I have no idea what the protocol for such things were during this period. (circa 1780-1810ish) Scotland. theresa.

Hi Lyndall, Well, right now I'm locked out of Highland-Hearts for some reason but I will contact Christine and order the CD. I guess I am doing that right now, come to think of it... Any way, I want to thank you for leading me to this CD. I just hope this will be the key that opens up the trail back in time on my 3ggrandparents. This ole world is getting smaller and smaller. You in "Canbra" are helping me in Florida, USA, contact Christine in Scotland about a CD which contains data on my ancestors. Wonderful! And I have several cousins in Canada who will welcome this news. If you see my uncle, Robin Eckermann, wandering around in Canberra [he lives there, too] say hello to him for me. That would surprise him. Thanks again, Bob Eckerman Christine, could you send me ordering info on that CD? Thanks On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 08:13:33 +1000 "Lyndall" <lyfrah@goldweb.com.au> writes: > Hello Bob, > You'll be pleased to know that the CD does contain > an entry > for your Euphemia DOUGLAS and Stephen CLARK. > > In my previous posting on this subject, I think that I omitted to > mention > that MACKENZIE families also feature. > > I say...go for it! I'm sure that you will have no regrets. :o) > > Lyndall > Canberra, Oz. > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > Hi Lyndall...or whoever else on the list that can give me an > answer, > > I would buy this CD in a minute if Euphemia Douglas, born about > 1792 "in > the Orkney Islands" who married Stephen Clark in about 1816 [no > later > than 1817], was on that CD. Why? One, I'm desperate for a clue and > two, > seven of their kids were born in Golspie. Maybe they went "home" to > Golspie from England until 1832 before sailing to Quebec. No, I > don't > know their parents' names. I would be forever indebted if someone > would > peep into that CD and give me a sign. > > Thanks, Bob Eckerman > > On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:39:02 +1000 "Lyndall" > <lyfrah@goldweb.com.au> > writes: > Hello everyone, > Tuesday's post brought me something wonderful > - > a copy of the CD, "Families of Sutherland - a Genealogical Study" > > This CD is packed with info; in addition to raw data about > members > of the GRANT, ANDERSON, GORDON, DUFF, DOUGLAS, and, > of course, MURRAY families, there are lots of interesting personal > snippets about individuals. In addition, there are maps and > articles > about the more general history of Sutherland. > > I have so far only spent a couple of hours happily exploring this > CD > and have much more to explore. > > Please note that I have no connection with this product; I am > merely a very satisfied user, who believes that I have received > excellent value for money. If any of you are interested in > learning > more, I think that there is a link on Christine's Highland Hearts > site. > Otherwise, you could get in touch with Christine direct. > > Lyndall > Canberra, Oz > >

The Meikle Ferry is a small dot on the map and is in the Creich parish. If you look on the IGI - choose region British Isles - country Scotland - county Sutherland - put in their names and click marriage then hit search you will get all of that name. Then look through for any which took place in Creich. You are unlikely to find any mention of Meikle Ferry apart from just possibly in the Old Parish Register of Creich which you should be able to order from your local LDS family history centre. Hope this helps. Christine -----Original Message----- From: T.Knapp [mailto:theresa.knapp@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 2:44 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: MeikleFerry census/marriages Does anyone happen to have knowledge of where I could locate marriages that would have taken place in Meikleferry circa mid-1700's? also searching for a : Christina ROSS, parents unknown, who married my Kenneth SUTHERLAND. thankyou, Theresa. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01

Hello all Following the many enquiries for a map of Sutherland I have managed to find one and scanned it in. I have to send it in two parts but have tested this today and it works just fine. When the virus scare has passed and you can accept attachments please email me anyone who would like a copy. Christine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01

Hi Shirley I do have some information on this family. Here is a brief ! outline. By private email I will send you the address of another descendant of this family in New Zealand. We believe there is a tie up between this family and my Gordon family in Rogart but still to be found. As you will see we did not know about the marriage of Helen to Donald Bruce so thankyou very much for that. Sorry this is so long but I think our list members will find it interesting: ALEXANDER GORDON married CATHERINE MACKAY [17/10/1802-c1853] [c1813-24/9/1877] Alexander, a shoemaker and a tenant, is the son of John Gordon and Isabel Mackenzie - see GN420. Catherine was born in Tongue. Alexander and Catherine married around 1832 and had the following children born in Rogart (SCR/OPR): JANE, born 28 December 1833 [died 5 August 1873] [married Donald Murray - see GN335]; JOHN, born 1836; WILLIAM, born 11August 1837 [died 1900] [married Margaret Matheson - see GN586]; DONALD (Dannie), born 10 January 1840 [died 1905] [married Jessie Cameron McKenzie - see GN168]; ISABEL, born 10 April 1841 [died 1910] [married Bernard Skene - see GN292]; HELEN ANN, born 28 November 1842; ROBERT, born 3 April 1845; CATHERINE, born 1847; ANN, born 1850 and GEORGE, born 1852 [died 1855]. According to the marriage registration of his son, William, Alexander was a shoemaker. He and his family were recorded at Blairmore, Rogart, in 1841 and 1851. The rental accounts show that he owed rent of 10/-, 1d, 2d, in 1852 but having paid it with that year's rent. That is he paid £1.0s. 6d for the two years. In 1853 Alexander is recorded as paying 10/- but in the remarks column is written "dead" - "now Catherine McKay, his widow". Catherine's name is also pencilled in the tenants' name column. The 1841 census gives Alexander's address as Blairmore, and his occupation as "tenant". This would not raise a question except that the rental accounts for the period covered by this show no Gordon on the accounts until 1850 when Alexander is recorded as being a squatter at Blairmore. In 1851 he was still referred to as a squatter, though in that year he must have begun to be charged rent because in 1852 he was recorded as owing rent for that year, plus the last. That he told the 1841 census enumerator he was a tenant must have been done with tongue-in-cheek! Blairmore, sometimes spelt Blaremore, is shown on the Ordnance Survey map to be near the village of Rogart. The name is said to mean in the Gaelic "Big Flat". Blairmore consists of something like four crofts or lots. They are situated on the shallow, north-western slopes of a hill, 206 metres above sea level, called Skrag, which itself is part of a roughly circular series of hills. The 1851 enumerator's description of his district describes the terrain in more detail. "So much of the Parish of Rogart as lies between the range of hills from Badlhrarkie (Badachrasgaidh) to Lochsalclue (Loch Salachaidh) on the East, and the range of hills SW of Ardichonder (Ardichonachir) to the North of Badlugan (?) on the West Bounded on the South by the range of hills from the Burn of Pittentrail to the Free Church, and on the North by Garvault (Garbh-allt) and Dithbuic (?)". Though the 1841 census, and later ones, have only four croft dwellings there were several more as the rental accounts show. One of the other cottages of Blairmore had Alexander's mother recorded as living there. In fact, his and Catherine's two youngest children at the time were living with their grandmother as was her daughter Ann. By 1861 Alexander had passed away but Catherine and her sister-in-law, Ann show as the tenants. Blairmore had now been recorded as South Rogart. There is recorded in the 1871 census an Ann GORDON boarding at the home of John and Barbara ROSS at Torbreck, Rogart, a group of 17 dwellings. She was aged 78 years, unmarried, formerly a general servant, and was born in the parish of Rogart. This Ann was very probably Alexander's sister. At least three of Alexander and Catherine's children went to New Zealand though at different times. Apart from William, there was Donald (also known as Dannie), who arrived about five years earlier than his elder brother. A letter dated 14 December 1861, and written by David Murray of Achvaich, Sutherland, to his brother Robert in Milton, Otago, referred to some money, £5 sterling, being passed on to the "widow GORDON". She acknowledged the gift with her "thanks and blessings" to Dannie and wished him to be told that "herself and family are quite well". Christine -----Original Message----- From: Shirley [mailto:squartly@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:05 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Re BRUCE/GORDON Hi Christine Helen GORDON, b 28 Nov 1842, christened, 02 Dec 1842, Rogart, daughter of Alexander GORDON and Catherine MACKAY, married Donald BRUCE, 05 Jan 1872, died Glasgow, 12 Jan 1888. Children of Donald Bruce and Helen Gordon were: Isabella, b, 22 Sep 1872, Alexander, b, 06 Feb 1875, Donald, b, 10 Apr 1876, Annie Gordon, b, 18 Apr 1883 I think these are baptismal dates. Alexander GORDON, b 1801, was a crofter. Rogart, and Catherine, b 1813, Tongue, was the daughter of ? MACKAY, farmer, and Jane MCLEOD. Catherine d 24 Sep 1877. Children of Alexander Gordon and Catherine MacKay were, William, b, 1828, Donald, b, 1840, Catherine, b, 29 Apr 1839, Isabell, b, 10 Apr 1841, Helen Ann, b, 25 Nov 1842, Robert, b, 16 Dec 1844, Ann, b, 1850. I'd be delighted to find a link with any of my many branches. They confuse with all the christian names repeated, and there is a great lack of variety in the Sutherlandshire surnames, too. Is this of any help? Shirley > A while back you posted a list of your Bruce ancestors. This list included > Donald BRUCE married to Helen GORDON of Rogart. Do you have any further > information on this couple? > This Gordon may link to my own. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01

I can confirm this as well. Being List owner of clan-mackenzie-l@rootsweb.com, I also know that Roots web does lot allow attachments for this very reason. So the virus did not come through the list. Rick McKenzie Melucci ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 1:23 PM Subject: Robin's virus > Please do not panic. Rootsweb mailing lists cannot pass virus. > Christine > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

Looking for origins of Strachan Gordon (1780-1862) who was born in Sutherland, emigrated in 1832 to Pictou and settled at Upper Kemptown, Colchester Co., NS. It would appear that he was a veteran who had been living in Rogart parish prior to his eviction. He was married to Elizabeth _____ (1792-1870) also of Sutherland. They had no natural family but adopted a Gilbert Watson Matheson, son of Gilbert Matheson and Catherine Watson, Morness, Rogart and later of Earltown. (Mrs. Matheson died after migrated to Nova Scotia in 1832). Interested in learning Elizabeth's maiden name. Glen Matheson

Hello Theresa Welcome to the list. Virtually everything you require should be in the National Library of Scotland in Edinburgh or at the Scottish Record Office. I know of no where on the internet where you can access any of these items. Perhaps some other list member can suggest different? Christine -----Original Message----- From: T.Knapp [mailto:theresa.knapp@sympatico.ca] Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2001 12:48 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Alexander MATHESON I am wondering if anyone knows where I can get info. from/on the following: 1. Ross of Balnagown papers 2. printed indices to Deeds and Sasines (ca 70 vols, published, SRO) 3. Alexander Matheson, Esq. of Ardroos, was MP for Ross and Cromartie 19th Century 4. William Fraser, The Earls Cromartie Their Kindred, County and Correspondance, 2vols. Edinburgh 1876, vol 1, p xxiv, vol 11, pg 168 5. letter from Alexander Grant of Grant to the second Earl of Cromartie, from Castle Grant, 13 march 1714....refers to the Laird of Ardross and his wife. thankyou for any suggestions, no matter how small. Theresa. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01

Please do not panic. Rootsweb mailing lists cannot pass virus. Christine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01

Hi Lyndall...or whoever else on the list that can give me an answer, I would buy this CD in a minute if Euphemia Douglas, born about 1792 "in the Orkney Islands" who married Stephen Clark in about 1816 [no later than 1817], was on that CD. Why? One, I'm desperate for a clue and two, seven of their kids were born in Golspie. Maybe they went "home" to Golspie from England until 1832 before sailing to Quebec. No, I don't know their parents' names. I would be forever indebted if someone would peep into that CD and give me a sign. Thanks, Bob Eckerman On Thu, 19 Apr 2001 02:39:02 +1000 "Lyndall" <lyfrah@goldweb.com.au> writes: > Hello everyone, > Tuesday's post brought me something > wonderful - > a copy of the CD, "Families of Sutherland - a Genealogical Study" > > This CD is packed with info; in addition to raw data about members > of the > GRANT, ANDERSON, GORDON, DUFF, DOUGLAS, and, of course, MURRAY > families, > there are lots of interesting personal snippets about individuals. > In > addition, there are maps and articles about the more general history > of > Sutherland. > > I have so far only spent a couple of hours happily exploring this CD > and > have much more to explore. > > Please note that I have no connection with this product; I am > merely a > very satisfied user, who believes that I have received excellent > value for > money. If any of you are interested in learning more, I think that > there is > a link on Christine's Highland Hearts site. Otherwise, you could > get in > touch with Christine direct. > > Lyndall > Canberra, Oz > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. > You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > >

NEED HELP; Looking for the background on a William Gray who married a Ross women, they were the parents of my GGGramp Andrew Gray b 1779 at Glen Glace, Ross-shire, Andrew md Elizabeth MacKenzie b 1784, they came to Pictou in the year 1832. Thank you Frank in Pictou, N.S.

Hi I thought you would like to read this. It is easy to think that the folks from Sutherland led a better life when they moved away from the county but this is not always true. This is what happened to Euphemia Murray who was born at Muie, Rogart, in 1845, daughter of Hugh Murray and Elizabeth Mackay. Euphemia Murray married Peter Douglas, who was born circa 1836 in Rogart, son of Alexander Douglas and Janet McLeod. Euphmeia and Peter married in Morningside, Edinburgh, on 24 January 1877. Peter was a clerk at this time. By 1881 they had moved to Glasgow where they were recorded at 103 Parliamentary Road. Peter was still employed as a clerk. They had the following children (DOUGLAS); Janet, born circa 1878 Glasgow; Betsy, born 1881 Glasgow; Hugh, born circa 1883 Parliamentary Road, Glasgow; Euphmeia, born circa 1889 Rothesay; Agnes, born circa 1894 52 Taylor Street, Glasgow. Peter Douglas died in Glasgow on 12 July 1900. On 9 January 1901 Euphemia was forced to approach the Poor Relief in Glasgow for financial help. The details from the subsequent documents tell a sad story. At 11 am on 9 January 1901 Euphemia made her first ever request for help. She was visited by the Poor Relief officials the following day at her home in 52 Taylor Street, a tenement building, where she had a flat on the first floor, second door on the right. The form filled in then tell that both her parents and her husband’s parents in Rogart were dead. Her daughter Janet, aged 22 was married to George Brown, tin plate worker in the meter department of Glasgow Corporation where he earned 30 shillings a week. They had a child to look after also. Elizabeth was now 20 years old and worked as a pager in Collins where she earned 10 shillings per week and lived with her mother. Hugh was now 17 and was an apprentice packing box maker earning 6 shillings a week. Young Euphmeia, aged 11, attended school and Agnes, aged 6, was at home. The family had previously been supported by Peter’s earnings and this was the first application ever for poor relief. It was stated on the form that she had received £9 from Prudential Society on her husband’s death but this had been used to pay the funeral bills and to maintain the family since. She was awarded the sum of 12 shillings and three pence by the committee – presumably this was a weekly payment which she received for about a year. On the 18 December 1901 she was refused relief as she now had some kind of job in Nelson Tea Company which paid 10 shillings weekly. She then managed until on 11 May 1905 she again applied for relief as her job with Nelson’s had ended. Her daughter, Janet and her husband still only earning 30 shillings weekly and they now had three children; Hugh earned 19 shillings weekly and gave his mother 10 shillings and young Euphemia was working as an apprentice book folder at 4 shillings and 6 pence a week. On 18 May 1905 Euphemia was taken to hopsital. On 22 August 1906 she was refused any relief (while in hospital) for her family as the Poor Relief said they were able to support themselves. She asked again the following day and was again refused any support. I do not know what happened to Euphemia and her children between then and the next report in the Poor Relief which showed that young Agnes was in hospital on 14 August 1908 and Euphemia applied for outdoor relief. On 11 January 1909 Euphemia was admitted to the Infirmary, Ward 22, by the parish and again she was refused relief. On 17 April 1909 she died in Stobhill hospital. What a sad way to end her life. Christine --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.248 / Virus Database: 121 - Release Date: 4/11/01

Hi Christine Helen GORDON, b 28 Nov 1842, christened, 02 Dec 1842, Rogart, daughter of Alexander GORDON and Catherine MACKAY, married Donald BRUCE, 05 Jan 1872, died Glasgow, 12 Jan 1888. Children of Donald Bruce and Helen Gordon were: Isabella, b, 22 Sep 1872, Alexander, b, 06 Feb 1875, Donald, b, 10 Apr 1876, Annie Gordon, b, 18 Apr 1883 I think these are baptismal dates. Alexander GORDON, b 1801, was a crofter. Rogart, and Catherine, b 1813, Tongue, was the daughter of ? MACKAY, farmer, and Jane MCLEOD. Catherine d 24 Sep 1877. Children of Alexander Gordon and Catherine MacKay were, William, b, 1828, Donald, b, 1840, Catherine, b, 29 Apr 1839, Isabell, b, 10 Apr 1841, Helen Ann, b, 25 Nov 1842, Robert, b, 16 Dec 1844, Ann, b, 1850. I'd be delighted to find a link with any of my many branches. They confuse with all the christian names repeated, and there is a great lack of variety in the Sutherlandshire surnames, too. Is this of any help? Shirley > A while back you posted a list of your Bruce ancestors. This list included > Donald BRUCE married to Helen GORDON of Rogart. Do you have any further > information on this couple? > This Gordon may link to my own.

Thank you, Cathy, for the warning about this particular virus. We found it listed on Symantec. Security Updates and it is one of 49,111 viruses out there just waiting to get us! (Please note a spelling correction: W32. Badtrans). Woe to these individuals who are trying to create serious problems for us! Kathleen plister@nbnet.nb.ca

Hi Do not open any email from me if it has an attachment, I found the virus on my computer today as well. I am trying to rectify this now. I would suggest that everyone check for this virus, go to your win.ini file in your windows folder and if you see this run=C:\WINDOWS\INETD.EXE then you have the virus. I hope I have not infected anyone. Thanks Robin