> From: "Christine Stokes" <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> > Do you have any further information on the Donald MACKAY from Achins > who was in Rogart? Sure, It's the first entry in the census for Achins with 2 rooms. The family group is: Forename Surname Relation Marriage Age Gender Employment Status Born Gaelic Notes Donald MACKAY Head Married 93 M Formerly shepherd None Rogart GE Dorothy MACKAY Wife Married 89 F None None Lairg GE Christina MACKAY Daughter Unmarried 60 F None None Kincardine GE paralytic Jessie MACKAY Daughter Unmarried 40 F General servant (domestic) None Durness GE William CAMPBELL Grandson Unmarried 29 M Pupil teacher D(Employed) Durness GE Jessan MACKAY Grandson Unmarried 25 M Shepherd D(Employed) Durness GE Hope this is useful. Angi

Hi Everyone Sorry its taken me so long to get back to all the people who responded to my E-mail, Unfortunately we have had some family emergencies. So I'd like to thank everyone who did respond to questions, I really appreciate it. I haven't had much time to check into anything yet but I did notice that a couple of the families that I am researching including the Gibsons, did not go by the usual naming pattern. And Christine you are probably right about the age of Janet, I wonder why women, even in those days, didn't want to tell their true age. Thanks Again Robin -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, April 27, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: RE: Found Gibsons of dornoch >Robin >You queried if your Janet could be born to either of these two couples. >This is the info I have in my Mackay database. >I guess the first one is possible but not the second. The Andrew Mackay >family are fisherfolks and generally they married other fisherfolks. You >should not take too much heed to ages in census records. They are only what >the person gave. Many, many errors on these. Women did not like giving >their age even then!! >Until you can prove otherwise I would stick with your original concept of >David Mackay and Marran Macintosh as the parents of Janet. >Have you yet found her death? If she died after 1855 (which looks very >likely) you can purchase her death certificate from Edinburgh. This will >give you the name of her parents. >Have you tried looking for this on the GRO site? You do have to pay but it >is worthwhile. First though find the 1861 census at Fearn and see if she is >on that. If not you can then narrow her death down to a ten year period. >Hope this helps >Christine > >K1471 ROBERT MACKAY married ELIZABETH DUNBAR [died 22/6/1832] >Robert, a farmer, and Elizabeth (Elspat/Eppie), who were both of Proncy, >Dornoch, married in Dornoch on 28 December 1783 (OPR). They had the >following children born in Dornoch (OPR): MARY, born 25 January 1791; >JANNET, born 19 July 1796 Proncy; ROBERT, born 9 September 1798 Ardallie; >JAMES, born 10 October 1800 Pronsy; BETTY, born 9 December 1804 Proncy; >ANDREW, born 31 August 1802 [died 21 Janaury 1880 Birichen] [married >Margaret McPherson - see K171]; DONALD, born 14 December 1806 Birichen. >Robert may be the gentleman who died of paralysis at Birichen on 12 June >1845 aged 84 years. > >K168 ANDREW MACKAY married MARGARET MACKAY >Andrew, a fisherman in Embo, Dornoch, married Margaret on 21 March 1784 at >Embo (OPR). They had the following children born at Embo (OPR): ISOBEL, born >5 May 1785; HOUSTON, born 22 June 1790; ALEXANDER, born 22 October 1793 and >JANNET, born 5 March 1797. (3/00) > > > >Christine >Highland Hearts >http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robin Van Belleghem [mailto:robinvb@home.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 6:10 PM >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Found Gibsons of dornoch > >Hi Christine and Everyone > >I found the Gibsons of Dornoch, they must have moved to ROC sometime between >1841 and 1851. But still no information about Donald, I say the man was >elusive. Now the question I have is according to the 1851 census, it has my >Janet MacKay as 55 born in Dornoch, so this would make her birth in around >1796 and not in 1792. Is it possible that she may not be David MacKay and >Marran McIntosh's daughter or could the 1851 census be wrong? I looked in >the IGI and found a Jannet MacKay born 1796 in Dornoch to Robert MacKay and >Eliza Dunbar and also a Jannet christened in 1797 in Dornoch to Andrew >MacKay and Margt MacKay, there could be more but these are the only ones >that say Dornoch. How can I tell if one of these are her parents? Here is >the 1851 census for the Gibsons, any help would be appreciated.. > >1851 Fearn 5.26 Balmuchie. > >Janet MacKay, Head, Widow, 55, Spinner of Hemp, b. Sutherland, Dornoch. >Alexander Gibson, Son, Unmarried, 24, Agricultural Labourer, b. Sutherland, >Dornoch. >Joanna Gibson, Daughter, Unmarried, 20, Farm Servant, b. Sutherland, >Dornoch. > >Thank You >Robin > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You >can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. 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I realize that the reason I haven't heard from the list is none of you have any information to help me based on my questions posted so far. Hopefully this one is more general. Does anyone have any suggestions on obtaining birth documentation for the period roughly from 1750 to 1799. That is what I need to do now. All I have is documentation "suggesting" my Kenneth MacLeod/McLeods come from Caithness and Sutherland. I'm not sure where the were born, rumor has it Caithness but they left from Sutherland and some letters suggest they were natives of Sutherland. Any help is greatly appreciated. Cordially Tracy Tracy A. MacLeod e-mail tamacleod@mediaone.net web site http://people.ne.mediaone.net/tamacleod/index.html

I grew up on a farm orginally cleared by a Hector Sutherland of Clyne in the 1830's/40's. It was at Balfron, Colchester, NS, a few miles north of the property mentioned by Lee Sutherland. Some of the settlers who found the hills inhosptable later moved to the lower areas as the land became available therefore we may be talking about the same Hector. The Hector Sutherland on our place was married to a Miss MacLeod, daughter of Hugh MacLeod and Janet Sutherland of Clyne. Three married daughters of Hugh and Janet came to the Earltown district in 1832, (along with several other families from Clyne, Rogart and Dornoch). They were Mrs. Hector Sutherland, Helen, (Mrs. George MacKenzie of Brora, formerly Golspie), and Annie, ( Mrs. Alex MacDonald). There were born in the 1795-1805 time frame. They had a least one brother John who came to Pictou as a bachelor four or five years previous. He acquired a farm at the mouth of Pictou Harbour in the area now known as Braeshore. Descendents claim there were other near relatives who settled across the harbour mouth at Pictou Landing. Back to Hector Sutherland and spouse: In 1846 this couple lost a child while Hector was clearing a field. It was feared that she wondered off into the woods but three days later the family dog unearthed the child's hand under a large stump. The stump had fallen on top of the child when the men severed the trunk from the fallen tree. Local lore claims that they left this farm shortly afterwards due to the grief associated with it. It was thought that they moved to Pictou County at that time. Unfortunately they left the region before the times of civil and church records therefore we don't know Mrs. Sutherland's name nor the names of their children. Glen Matheson

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Hello, The William, brother of Hector, I mentioned had recently moved to Hamilton, Ontario, from Nova Scotia. He came to buy a mill. As fate would have it, he arrived in 1848 during a cholera epidemic. He and many of his family were placed in a mass grave in Hamilton. His widow and the others walked to Embro (60 miles) where she learned there were several people from Sutherland. Her life was documented in the local paper with a half page obituary. She died in the late 1800's. Two of her sons became woodworkers and had a shop in Embro. Hector emigrated to New Zealand with the reverend Norman MacLeod. Lee Sutherland _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Christine - Thanks so much for the advice to try the Grisoft Anti-Virus program. As you can see from the bottom of this note, we did so last week and it has come in handy already. Yesterday a posting I made to this list was returned to me from a person named William Meek with a note to see the attachment - the attachment turned out to be a virus which was caught by the program. Regards, Diane ------- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version 6.0.250/Virus Databse: 123 - Release Date 4/18/01

Lee - We have a William Sutherland who we believe was born in Sutherlandshire. His birth year was 1808; he is buried in Old Log Cemetery in Embro (died 1858). We know nothing of his siblings. His wife was Euphemia (nee Sutherland) whom he married in Oxford Co. in 1833; children were Barbara, Isabelle, John, Ann, Henry and Alexander. Could there possibly be a connection between your Hector and our William? Do you know Hector's wife's name or when Hector died? Regards, Diane Geddes ------- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version 6.0.250/Virus Databse: 123 - Release Date 4/18/01 ----- Original Message ----- From: L Sutherland <lsuth27@hotmail.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:25 AM Subject: Hector > Christine, > > Tell me more about Hector Sutherland. We own property, which belonged to a > Hector Sutherland. He left Nova Scotia for New Zealand. He had a brother > William who died. William's widow and children walked from Hamilton to > Embro, Ontario. I have had contact with the New Zealand branch of the > family. > > Lee Sutherland, > Hamilton, Ontario > _________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

Christine, Tell me more about Hector Sutherland. We own property, which belonged to a Hector Sutherland. He left Nova Scotia for New Zealand. He had a brother William who died. William's widow and children walked from Hamilton to Embro, Ontario. I have had contact with the New Zealand branch of the family. Lee Sutherland, Hamilton, Ontario _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

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Hi I am seeking information on those families who left Clyne and settled in Canada between 1829 and 1832. I have a lot of info on families who left other parishes but not Clyne. Specific names I need help on are: Hector SUTHERLAND, Achrimsdale; Alexander MACKAY, Brora; James MACLEOD, Doll, Brora; Donald GILCHRIST, Achrimsdale and Robert MACDONALD, Clyne Milton. Anyone relate to any of these people? Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Hi Ann Sometimes a long shot can pay off but I doubt it in this case. I looked at the IGI for you and there are only two Thomas Macdonald's born around that time. One, born 10 April 1822 at Farr to John McDonald and Janet Sinclair. Plus this one: Ann Gordon and William Macdonald married in Lairg on 9 December 1821 (SCR). They had the following children born in Lairg (SCR); Thomas, born 10 December 1821; Elizabeth (Betty), born 29 October 1823; Isabell, born 6 November 1825 and Alexanderina (Lexy), born 11 October 1830. Your best hope is that your Thomas named some children after any of the names above. I did wonder if his parents could be Macdonald and Bale but there is no couple of those names giving birth to a Thomas at that time in Scotland. Sorry I cannot help any further. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: PAUL WHITEHEAD [mailto:paul@underwood27.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 10:05 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Thomas MacDonald This is a very longshot, but I am at a complete dead-end with my ancester Thomas MacDonald and am clutching at straws that someone may be able to help on your excellent list. I have a great deal of info on my ancestor's life but have not be able to pin down his birthplace, which is what most of the family would like to know. Family legend says he came down from Scotland (the Orkneys was mentioned) seeking work and my research to date tends to back some of this legend up. He was a mariner and married in Watchet, Somerset in 1842, but his parents were not named on the marriage cert. I have found a reference to a Thomas Donald at the PRO, Kew, in 1836 working as a mariner on the Maria Elizabeth of Lundy (in the Bristol Channel). It seems names beginning with Mac are filed at the PRO under the last part of the name. He was stated to have ben born in Sutherland and was aged 16, so this means he was born 1820 or thereabouts. I have no more family info, except that by 1851 he was using the name of Bale/Bail as well as MacDonald and seems to have used both names after that - which makes my task a bit more difficult! However, I see that this was fairly common in Scotland at that time. Please can anyone help in any way (i.e. by having a Thomas who left home in 1845 or thereabouts. Incidentally, he was drowned off the IOM in 1886 at the age of 68 together with his 11 year old grandson whilst mate on the Lloyd. Ann, Torquay, Devon ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Hi Chris and thankyou for coming back. I wish I had more information to give you but I have little. I am currently working on a study which includes all those who left Rogart between 1829 and 1832 for Canada. All I have is this: Widow Munro of Craigachnarich, Rogart, a servant, went off to Canada. She and 11 members of her household went out in 1829. Now I only know she went to Zorra because her name is in the middle of a group who we know ended up there. Intriguing! Thanks for trying. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: ChrisC [mailto:chrisc@sympatico.ca] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 4:42 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: the Widow Munro Christine: You asked about a Munro family emigrating to Ontario, 1829. I found reference to an Angus Munro who was a District Councillor for the Township of West Zorra from 1846 until 1849. Any other information on names or d.o.b.? I'm sure there is a wealth of information about Munros in Ontario. There are Munros who live down the road from me in what used to be West Zorra. Can you add specifics? Chris Chandler Oxford County Reference: The Oxford Gazeteer by Thomas S. Shenston, 1852. Pg.70-75. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Pursuant to Chris C's mention of Old Log Cemetery in Oxford Co., Ontario - here is the address of Helen Brenneman who is willing to do look-ups at Old Log as well as North Embro in Oxford Co. - bren@execulink.com Regards, Diane ------- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version 6.0.250/Virus Databse: 123 - Release Date 4/18/01

This is very interesting and thank you for it. Is it possible that your distant relative would know the source of this info? Many thanks Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Lynn Munro [mailto:ornum@execulink.com] Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2001 6:07 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Mackays in Skerray Christine, I just received some more Mackay information from a distant MacKay relative. In his information he says that Angus MacKay and married Isabel MacKay whose father was killed at Culloden. It also states that George and Isabel had sons George, William, Angus and Charles. There are no birthdates stated. Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:34 AM Subject: Mackays in Skerray > Hi > Does anyone have any information on Mackays in Skerray? Looking for the > birth of Angus MACKAY, born circa 1769 and George MACKAY, born 1765. George > is definitely a son of Angus MACKAY and his wife Isabella. Trying to > determine if Angus is his brother. Anyone help? > Many thanks > Christine > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Christine: Here's a quote from On the Crofters' Trail - In Search of the Clearance Highlanders, written by David Craig (1990): "In the Old Log Church Cemetery, above a marsh near Embro, Oxford County, which Woody showed me on the way to the farms of the various Mackays, and Rosses and Sutherlands, and MacKenzies and MacDonalds; one of them, Isabel, born in the year of the 'Forty-five, was the daughter of a blacksmith who had straightened scythe-blades to make swords for Culloden. For his pains his grandson Angus had had to emigrate, taking his aged mother with him." There are family history books on the Mackays, who played a large part in the pioneering of Oxford County. If you hear no other comments from the listers, I can search these references for you. Chris Chandler Oxford County, Ontario

Hello I am also researching an Alexander McKay, possibly father of my gg grandfather, James Rose McKay born 1819-1822. The family bible, which I have not sighted but been given information from, states that James' father was Alexander and mother Ann nee Sutherland. Supposedly Ann died in 1826 and Alexander in 1852 - I am presuming in the parish of Dornoch. James Rose McKay emigrated to Canada in 1832. Mary-Ann Farr Christine Stokes wrote: > > Hi > Have only just learned that at Inchcape, Rogart, there was an Alexander > MACKAY, born circa 1790 who married Ann SUTHERLAND. Ann is the daughter of > John SUTHERLAND and Kate FRASER. > Alexander could be the son of Neil MACKAY and Christina MATHESON who were > also at Inchcape. > Does anyone know this family? Can anyone help prove that Alexander is the > son of this Neil? > Many thanks > > Christine > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Christine: You asked about a Munro family emigrating to Ontario, 1829. I found reference to an Angus Munro who was a District Councillor for the Township of West Zorra from 1846 until 1849. Any other information on names or d.o.b.? I'm sure there is a wealth of information about Munros in Ontario. There are Munros who live down the road from me in what used to be West Zorra. Can you add specifics? Chris Chandler Oxford County Reference: The Oxford Gazeteer by Thomas S. Shenston, 1852. Pg.70-75.

Christine, I just received some more Mackay information from a distant MacKay relative. In his information he says that Angus MacKay and married Isabel MacKay whose father was killed at Culloden. It also states that George and Isabel had sons George, William, Angus and Charles. There are no birthdates stated. Lynn ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 11:34 AM Subject: Mackays in Skerray > Hi > Does anyone have any information on Mackays in Skerray? Looking for the > birth of Angus MACKAY, born circa 1769 and George MACKAY, born 1765. George > is definitely a son of Angus MACKAY and his wife Isabella. Trying to > determine if Angus is his brother. Anyone help? > Many thanks > Christine > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >