"THE ENTERPRISE" newspaper of 18 April 1921 Published at FREE LANCE OFFICE, NEW GLASGOW, NOVA SCOTIA] references... ------------ CHARLES SUTHERLAND b. SYDNEY, CB 1795. Parents GEORGE SUTHERLAND and JANET FORDYCE, ("JESSIE" from HUNTLY, SCT). They moved to NEW GLASGOW in 1819 from the farm 2 mi. below, down the river from NEW GLASGOW. His home was on the opposite side of the river from what was long known as STONE HOUSE POINT. CHARLES, merchant, shipbuilder had a store at corner of Provost & Kempt Streets. 2 ships built by him- "ISABELLA" & "SHEPHERDESS". The ISABELLA is said to have been the 1st vessel built in New Glasgow. The ISABELLA crossed the Atlantic under CAPT. SUTHERLAND's command, once bringing to Pictou School, MASTER GRANT, who taught on the EAST RIVER above NEW GLASGOW. "This schoolmaster afterwards became the father of two of PICTOU COUNTY's most celebrated sons, Principal REV. GEORGE M.GRANT D.D., QUEEN'S U., KINGSTON, ONT., and Rev. CHARLES M. GRANT, D.D., DUNDEE." CAPT. SUTHERLAND was lost up the LABRADOR COAST on a voyage in 1857. CHARLES had 1 bro WILLIAM, 1 sis ISABELLA, another sis SUSAN died young. WLM was ten years the senior of CHARLES. WLM was settled on his farm 2-3 miles below NEW GLASGOW. The brothers previously lived in SYDNEY for some years on farms left them by their father. REV. DR. JAMES MCGREGOR had in one missionary journey been at SYDNEY, & baptized the 2 sons of GEORGE & JANET. This is mentioned in "THE LIFE OF REV. DR. MCGREGOR", by REV. DR. PATTERSON. Sis ISABELLA m. GEORGE CANTLEY, living on a farm given by her father near her brothers. After Father GEORGE passed on, JANET persuaded them to move up to EAST RIVER of PICTOU, "to be near the means of grace" (DR. MCGREGOR's Church). WLM. SUTHERLAND lived for many years, until his death near his brother's farm on the EAST RIVER. For many years he was an elder (succeeded by brother GEORGE) in REV. DR. ROY'S church, called then, JAMES CHURCH. CHARLES SUTHERLAND's sister, ISABELLA (GEORGE CANTLEY). One son, THOMAS CANTLEY, managed NOVA SCOTIA STEEL COMPANY. CHARLES m. ISABELLA FRASER, children: ANNIE (MACDONALD) had 2 little boys that passed on before she did. JESSIE FORDYCE SUTHERLAND (JAMES GRANT CAMERON) children: REV. DR. CHARLES J. CAMERON, GEORGE FREDERICK CAMERON (NEW GLASGOW Post Office cornerstone dedicated to him, the place of his birth) was poet & editor of "KINGSTON NEWS", CHARLOTTE "ALICE" CAMERON. ------------ GEORGE FREDERICK CAMERON, my Ggrandfather died at 31 yrs. old in the year of only child, my grandmother JESSIE CAMERON (ALISON)'s birth. Peg V mjcpv@newnorth.net

"THE ENTERPRISE" newspaper of 18 April 1921 Published at FREE LANCE OFFICE, NEW GLASGOW, NOVA SCOTIA] references... ------------ CHARLES SUTHERLAND b. SYDNEY, CB 1795. Parents GEORGE SUTHERLAND and JANET FORDYCE, ("JESSIE" from HUNTLY, SCT). They moved to NEW GLASGOW in 1819 from the farm 2 mi. below, down the river from NEW GLASGOW. His home was on the opposite side of the river from what was long known as STONE HOUSE POINT. CHARLES, merchant, shipbuilder had a store at corner of Provost & Kempt Streets. 2 ships built by him- "ISABELLA" & "SHEPHERDESS". The ISABELLA is said to have been the 1st vessel built in New Glasgow. The ISABELLA crossed the Atlantic under CAPT. SUTHERLAND's command, once bringing to Pictou School, MASTER GRANT, who taught on the EAST RIVER above NEW GLASGOW. "This schoolmaster afterwards became the father of two of PICTOU COUNTY's most celebrated sons, Principal REV. GEORGE M.GRANT D.D., QUEEN'S U., KINGSTON, ONT., and Rev. CHARLES M. GRANT, D.D., DUNDEE." CAPT. SUTHERLAND was lost up the LABRADOR COAST on a voyage in 1857. CHARLES had 1 bro WILLIAM, 1 sis ISABELLA, another sis SUSAN died young. WLM was ten years the senior of CHARLES. WLM was settled on his farm 2-3 miles below NEW GLASGOW. The brothers previously lived in SYDNEY for some years on farms left them by their father. REV. DR. JAMES MCGREGOR had in one missionary journey been at SYDNEY, & baptized the 2 sons of GEORGE & JANET. This is mentioned in "THE LIFE OF REV. DR. MCGREGOR", by REV. DR. PATTERSON. Sis ISABELLA m. GEORGE CANTLEY, living on a farm given by her father near her brothers. After Father GEORGE passed on, JANET persuaded them to move up to EAST RIVER of PICTOU, "to be near the means of grace" (DR. MCGREGOR's Church). WLM. SUTHERLAND lived for many years, until his death near his brother's farm on the EAST RIVER. For many years he was an elder (succeeded by brother GEORGE) in REV. DR. ROY'S church, called then, JAMES CHURCH. CHARLES SUTHERLAND's sister, ISABELLA (GEORGE CANTLEY). One son, THOMAS CANTLEY, managed NOVA SCOTIA STEEL COMPANY. CHARLES m. ISABELLA FRASER, children: ANNIE (MACDONALD) had 2 little boys that passed on before she did. JESSIE FORDYCE SUTHERLAND (JAMES GRANT CAMERON) children: REV. DR. CHARLES J. CAMERON, GEORGE FREDERICK CAMERON (NEW GLASGOW Post Office cornerstone dedicated to him, the place of his birth) was poet & editor of "KINGSTON NEWS", CHARLOTTE "ALICE" CAMERON. ------------ GEORGE FREDERICK CAMERON, my Ggrandfather died at 31 yrs. old in the year of only child, my grandmother JESSIE CAMERON (ALISON)'s birth. Peg V. mjcpv@newnorth.net

An absolute long shot - Robina is short for Robertina! Have you tried that? Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Tracy A. MacLeod [mailto:tamacleod@mediaone.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 8:53 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: More information on MacLeod/McLeod Hi Ian, Christine and list, I too have searched the IGI unsuccessfully. I searched at the family history centers back in '94 and since they went on line I keep trying every once and a while. Is it realistic to think I can't find anything on these individuals? We're not sure what the W. stands for. Kenneth "commissioned" head stones to be erected for his children who died before him with the following "Erected by Kenneth W. McLeod, Esq. of Middle River and Eliza Ann his wife in memory of..." His own head stone was erected by his son and lists his name as Kenneth MacLeod. Over the years he himself spelled his surname both ways. I've searched it both ways. Unfortunately there is no headstones for Kenneth Sr. and his first wife, Robina (Rebina). The Middle River Historian is a "cousin" and she too has been doing research on this line with out success. I was hoping that this list might have a different perspective that we haven't tried. Since the residents of Middle River don't have any better information I thought I'd try my hand at finding information with this list since you are all researching this area for some reason or another. Thanks for all of your help everyone! Tracy Tracy A. MacLeod e-mail tamacleod@mediaone.net web site http://people.ne.mediaone.net/tamacleod/index.html ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Hi Just to warn you I have received two emails from William Meek with attachments listed as card.pif and which contains a virus. Don't open the attachments!! I have a virus checker so should be no problem. Mary-Ann Farr

Hi Ian, Christine and list, I too have searched the IGI unsuccessfully. I searched at the family history centers back in '94 and since they went on line I keep trying every once and a while. Is it realistic to think I can't find anything on these individuals? We're not sure what the W. stands for. Kenneth "commissioned" head stones to be erected for his children who died before him with the following "Erected by Kenneth W. McLeod, Esq. of Middle River and Eliza Ann his wife in memory of..." His own head stone was erected by his son and lists his name as Kenneth MacLeod. Over the years he himself spelled his surname both ways. I've searched it both ways. Unfortunately there is no headstones for Kenneth Sr. and his first wife, Robina (Rebina). The Middle River Historian is a "cousin" and she too has been doing research on this line with out success. I was hoping that this list might have a different perspective that we haven't tried. Since the residents of Middle River don't have any better information I thought I'd try my hand at finding information with this list since you are all researching this area for some reason or another. Thanks for all of your help everyone! Tracy Tracy A. MacLeod e-mail tamacleod@mediaone.net web site http://people.ne.mediaone.net/tamacleod/index.html

Hi All, I just purchased the marriage register for Oxford County (ONLY) for the years 1858-1869. Will be glad to do lookups but please allow me time and keep them to two at a time. I work 50 to 70 hours a week so my time is limited. This offer is opened until I find all my ancestors(GRIN) Carolyn

Yesterday I sent an e-mail to William Meek enquiring about a possible family connection: my email was replied to - perhaps automatically - with a note to "look to the attachment" which was labelled fun.pif: apparently his virus is still alive and kicking. Jerry Vincent

Hi Tracy, I searched when you first posted but couldn't find anything on the IGI. That's disappointing but not conclusive. Many of my ancestors are not on the IGI and I have extracts of birth registrations for them. I think the GRO is better but I suggest you study its tutorials, including how to use the "wild cards" before you log on . It can get expensive. The only thing that I can add to the family that Christine identified is that that Kenneth MacLeod is described as a smith (presumably a blacksmith) in Eribol, which is just east of Durness. I think that "Esq" was used to denote a man of property but later came to be used in place of "Mr", e.g. letters might be addressed to Kenneth W. MacLeod, Esq. Questions: What does the "W" stand for? Have you identified the ship they emigrated on? Have you searched death registrations or tombstones for Kenneth Sr. and Robina. These might give place of birth. Good luck, Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 3:09 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: More specific information Hi Tracy I have looked at the IGI plus all my records and I cannot find any mention of a Kenneth Macleod (spelled any way) with a wife Robina Macdonald having children or being married anywhere in Scotland. What I did find was the only family with the husband named Kenneth Macleod and a Macdonald wife: Kenneth Macleod married Catherine Macdonald at Halkirk, Caithness, on 24 June 1781. They had the following children all born in Durness, Sutherland: Elizabeth (Betty), christened 16 June 1787; John, 19 April 1789; Catherine, 20 April 1782; Charles, 27 July 1783; Isobel, 9 Janaury 1786 plus another John, born 20 August 1791. No Kenneth junior. Kenneth Macleod senior - the only one recorded on the IGI born around 1752 was in Edinburgh. We do have some members who have knowledge of the Durness area. Can any of them offer any help on this? I also wonder if any of our Nova Scotia people on here know of the early beginnings of this family? Hopefully someone will come back with answers. The OPR at the GRO is sometimes better than the IGI insofar as it may give you a farm name but not always. To use the IGI go to www.familysearch.com Choose search for ancestors, then click on International Genealogical Indexes. Then put in the names and off you go. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Tracy A. MacLeod [mailto:tamacleod@mediaone.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:01 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: More specific information Here we go: Kenneth MacLeod Sr. born circa 1752 rumored to have come from Lord Reays County. That information came from a letter written in 1834 by the Rev. Alexander Farquharson to the Edinburg Ladies Association. He was quoting Kenneth MacLeod when he gave that information Kenneth Sr. was married to Robina MacDonald born circa 1760 in Scotland. They had at least 5 known children who came to Nova Scotia based on the 1812 census in Middle River. Elizabeth born ca. 1780 who married Roderick (Rory) MacKenzie Sr. once she came to Nova Scotia. John born ca 1787 Kenneth (W) Jr. Esq. born 15 Sep 1790 rumored to have been born in Caithness. I have documentation saying he was a native of Sutherland Shire when he petitioned the King for a grant of Land in Nova Scotia in 1812 (which was granted) and two other unnamed children one may have been a male named Malcolm but that hasn't been verified yet. Kenneth Sr., Robina, Kenneth Jr., Elizabeth, John and the unnamed children immigrated to Wagamotkook Nova Scotia about 1800, which was later named Middle River, Nova Scotia. Christina, you mentioned the IGI for the old parish records, does the GROS online OPR have the same information? One last question. Kenneth Jr. used Esq. after his name. What does this mean? He was not a lawyer that we know of. Once they got to Middle River there is a lot of information about this family as they were one of 4 original families of this town and the Historical Society there has published a few books with mentioning them. When I questioned the birth information no one ever tried to document the accuracy of the passed down information. We are direct descendants of this family. Any help and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Tracy Tracy A. MacLeod e-mail tamacleod@mediaone.net web site http://people.ne.mediaone.net/tamacleod/index.html ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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Hi Tracy I have looked at the IGI plus all my records and I cannot find any mention of a Kenneth Macleod (spelled any way) with a wife Robina Macdonald having children or being married anywhere in Scotland. What I did find was the only family with the husband named Kenneth Macleod and a Macdonald wife: Kenneth Macleod married Catherine Macdonald at Halkirk, Caithness, on 24 June 1781. They had the following children all born in Durness, Sutherland: Elizabeth (Betty), christened 16 June 1787; John, 19 April 1789; Catherine, 20 April 1782; Charles, 27 July 1783; Isobel, 9 Janaury 1786 plus another John, born 20 August 1791. No Kenneth junior. Kenneth Macleod senior - the only one recorded on the IGI born around 1752 was in Edinburgh. We do have some members who have knowledge of the Durness area. Can any of them offer any help on this? I also wonder if any of our Nova Scotia people on here know of the early beginnings of this family? Hopefully someone will come back with answers. The OPR at the GRO is sometimes better than the IGI insofar as it may give you a farm name but not always. To use the IGI go to www.familysearch.com Choose search for ancestors, then click on International Genealogical Indexes. Then put in the names and off you go. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Tracy A. MacLeod [mailto:tamacleod@mediaone.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 7:01 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: More specific information Here we go: Kenneth MacLeod Sr. born circa 1752 rumored to have come from Lord Reays County. That information came from a letter written in 1834 by the Rev. Alexander Farquharson to the Edinburg Ladies Association. He was quoting Kenneth MacLeod when he gave that information Kenneth Sr. was married to Robina MacDonald born circa 1760 in Scotland. They had at least 5 known children who came to Nova Scotia based on the 1812 census in Middle River. Elizabeth born ca. 1780 who married Roderick (Rory) MacKenzie Sr. once she came to Nova Scotia. John born ca 1787 Kenneth (W) Jr. Esq. born 15 Sep 1790 rumored to have been born in Caithness. I have documentation saying he was a native of Sutherland Shire when he petitioned the King for a grant of Land in Nova Scotia in 1812 (which was granted) and two other unnamed children one may have been a male named Malcolm but that hasn't been verified yet. Kenneth Sr., Robina, Kenneth Jr., Elizabeth, John and the unnamed children immigrated to Wagamotkook Nova Scotia about 1800, which was later named Middle River, Nova Scotia. Christina, you mentioned the IGI for the old parish records, does the GROS online OPR have the same information? One last question. Kenneth Jr. used Esq. after his name. What does this mean? He was not a lawyer that we know of. Once they got to Middle River there is a lot of information about this family as they were one of 4 original families of this town and the Historical Society there has published a few books with mentioning them. When I questioned the birth information no one ever tried to document the accuracy of the passed down information. We are direct descendants of this family. Any help and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Tracy Tracy A. MacLeod e-mail tamacleod@mediaone.net web site http://people.ne.mediaone.net/tamacleod/index.html ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Many, many thanks to all who supplied the name of the chairman and his address. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Paul Gray [mailto:pmgray@ntlworld.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 5:08 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Rogart Heritage Society Hi Christine, As far as I know the Chairman of Rogart Heritage Society is John MacDonald, 250 Little Rogart (Tel: Rogart-641265) ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:14 AM Subject: Rogart Heritage Society > Does anyone have an address and a contact name for this organisation? > > Christine > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Hi Chris Would very much appreciate any information on McKay/Barbour families. I found the family listed in the 1851 Census in the East Zorra township (Woodstock) as follows (living in a log cabin) Barbour Robert 45 born Scotland, farmer (Baptist) Mary 45 born Scotland, Baptist Allex 21 born Scotland, Baptist James 17 born Scotland, Baptist David 14 born Scotland, Baptist Mary 13 born Scotland, Baptist McKay, James R 32 born Scotland, Methodist (Joiner) James E 6 born Scotland ???? I think this is incorrect and could be Odelltown, Lower Canada (now Quebec) Elizabeth, 20 born Scotland, Methodist Mary Grace, 2 born Scotland (should probably be Ontario). Found again in 1871 census Barbour, Robert, 65, born Scotland, Regular Baptist, farmer Mary, 66, born Scotland, Regular Baptist James, 25 born (looks like a 6 - could be Ontario or Quebec) ? Barber, Mary, aged 10 born Ontario James Rose McKay emigrated via Melbourne, Australia to NZ with his second wife, Elizabeth Barbour and two children, Mary Grace and Robert Barbour McKay in the 1850s. He left his two sons by his first marriage (Alexander born 1842 and James born 1845) to a Mary Peck (believed to be in Lachine) with Robert and Mary Barbour in Canada - would like to find out what happened to these two sons. James Rose McKay was discharged from the Army in Montreal in July 1839. He was a carpenter/joiner so I guess he would have been involved in a great deal of construction around the place. any information would be very helpful. Mary-Ann Farr Christchurch, New Zealand ChrisC wrote: > > Christine: > Here's a quote from On the Crofters' Trail - In Search of the Clearance > Highlanders, written by David Craig (1990): > > "In the Old Log Church Cemetery, above a marsh near Embro, Oxford > County, which Woody showed me on the way to the farms of the various > Mackays, and Rosses and Sutherlands, and MacKenzies and MacDonalds; one > of them, Isabel, born in the year of the 'Forty-five, was the daughter > of a blacksmith who had straightened scythe-blades to make swords for > Culloden. For his pains his grandson Angus had had to emigrate, taking > his aged mother with him." > > There are family history books on the Mackays, who played a large part > in the pioneering of Oxford County. If you hear no other comments from > the listers, I can search these references for you. > > Chris Chandler > Oxford County, Ontario > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Hi Christine, As far as I know the Chairman of Rogart Heritage Society is John MacDonald, 250 Little Rogart (Tel: Rogart-641265) ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:14 AM Subject: Rogart Heritage Society > Does anyone have an address and a contact name for this organisation? > > Christine > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 >

Here we go: Kenneth MacLeod Sr. born circa 1752 rumored to have come from Lord Reays County. That information came from a letter written in 1834 by the Rev. Alexander Farquharson to the Edinburg Ladies Association. He was quoting Kenneth MacLeod when he gave that information Kenneth Sr. was married to Robina MacDonald born circa 1760 in Scotland. They had at least 5 known children who came to Nova Scotia based on the 1812 census in Middle River. Elizabeth born ca. 1780 who married Roderick (Rory) MacKenzie Sr. once she came to Nova Scotia. John born ca 1787 Kenneth (W) Jr. Esq. born 15 Sep 1790 rumored to have been born in Caithness. I have documentation saying he was a native of Sutherland Shire when he petitioned the King for a grant of Land in Nova Scotia in 1812 (which was granted) and two other unnamed children one may have been a male named Malcolm but that hasn't been verified yet. Kenneth Sr., Robina, Kenneth Jr., Elizabeth, John and the unnamed children immigrated to Wagamotkook Nova Scotia about 1800, which was later named Middle River, Nova Scotia. Christina, you mentioned the IGI for the old parish records, does the GROS online OPR have the same information? One last question. Kenneth Jr. used Esq. after his name. What does this mean? He was not a lawyer that we know of. Once they got to Middle River there is a lot of information about this family as they were one of 4 original families of this town and the Historical Society there has published a few books with mentioning them. When I questioned the birth information no one ever tried to document the accuracy of the passed down information. We are direct descendants of this family. Any help and suggestions are greatly appreciated. Tracy Tracy A. MacLeod e-mail tamacleod@mediaone.net web site http://people.ne.mediaone.net/tamacleod/index.html

Ian's quite correct. Angi ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Morrison" <ianmorrison@msn.com> > I think it was the other way around, i.e. Donald MacKay from/born in Rogart > was in Achins in 1891 > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Angela Lamb > Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:21 PM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: 1891 Durness Census - Sutherland Strays > > > > From: "Christine Stokes" <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> > > Do you have any further information on the Donald MACKAY from Achins > > who was in Rogart? > > Sure, > > It's the first entry in the census for Achins with 2 rooms. The family group > is: > > Forename Surname Relation Marriage Age Gender Employment Status Born Gaelic > Notes > Donald MACKAY Head Married 93 M Formerly shepherd None Rogart GE > Dorothy MACKAY Wife Married 89 F None None Lairg GE > Christina MACKAY Daughter Unmarried 60 F None None Kincardine GE paralytic > Jessie MACKAY Daughter Unmarried 40 F General servant (domestic) None > Durness GE > William CAMPBELL Grandson Unmarried 29 M Pupil teacher D(Employed) Durness > GE > Jessan MACKAY Grandson Unmarried 25 M Shepherd D(Employed) Durness GE > > Hope this is useful. > > Angi > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog<br clear=all><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<br></p> > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB >

I am not going to comment on why women lie about their ages. I always tell the truth! I am 40 something and have been exactly the same for at least 15 years! Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Robin Van Belleghem [mailto:robinvb@home.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 4:03 AM To: Christine Stokes; SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Found Gibsons of dornoch Hi Everyone Sorry its taken me so long to get back to all the people who responded to my E-mail, Unfortunately we have had some family emergencies. So I'd like to thank everyone who did respond to questions, I really appreciate it. I haven't had much time to check into anything yet but I did notice that a couple of the families that I am researching including the Gibsons, did not go by the usual naming pattern. And Christine you are probably right about the age of Janet, I wonder why women, even in those days, didn't want to tell their true age. Thanks Again Robin -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, April 27, 2001 7:36 AM Subject: RE: Found Gibsons of dornoch >Robin >You queried if your Janet could be born to either of these two couples. >This is the info I have in my Mackay database. >I guess the first one is possible but not the second. The Andrew Mackay >family are fisherfolks and generally they married other fisherfolks. You >should not take too much heed to ages in census records. They are only what >the person gave. Many, many errors on these. Women did not like giving >their age even then!! >Until you can prove otherwise I would stick with your original concept of >David Mackay and Marran Macintosh as the parents of Janet. >Have you yet found her death? If she died after 1855 (which looks very >likely) you can purchase her death certificate from Edinburgh. This will >give you the name of her parents. >Have you tried looking for this on the GRO site? You do have to pay but it >is worthwhile. First though find the 1861 census at Fearn and see if she is >on that. If not you can then narrow her death down to a ten year period. >Hope this helps >Christine > >K1471 ROBERT MACKAY married ELIZABETH DUNBAR [died 22/6/1832] >Robert, a farmer, and Elizabeth (Elspat/Eppie), who were both of Proncy, >Dornoch, married in Dornoch on 28 December 1783 (OPR). They had the >following children born in Dornoch (OPR): MARY, born 25 January 1791; >JANNET, born 19 July 1796 Proncy; ROBERT, born 9 September 1798 Ardallie; >JAMES, born 10 October 1800 Pronsy; BETTY, born 9 December 1804 Proncy; >ANDREW, born 31 August 1802 [died 21 Janaury 1880 Birichen] [married >Margaret McPherson - see K171]; DONALD, born 14 December 1806 Birichen. >Robert may be the gentleman who died of paralysis at Birichen on 12 June >1845 aged 84 years. > >K168 ANDREW MACKAY married MARGARET MACKAY >Andrew, a fisherman in Embo, Dornoch, married Margaret on 21 March 1784 at >Embo (OPR). They had the following children born at Embo (OPR): ISOBEL, born >5 May 1785; HOUSTON, born 22 June 1790; ALEXANDER, born 22 October 1793 and >JANNET, born 5 March 1797. (3/00) > > > >Christine >Highland Hearts >http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robin Van Belleghem [mailto:robinvb@home.com] >Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2001 6:10 PM >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Found Gibsons of dornoch > >Hi Christine and Everyone > >I found the Gibsons of Dornoch, they must have moved to ROC sometime between >1841 and 1851. But still no information about Donald, I say the man was >elusive. Now the question I have is according to the 1851 census, it has my >Janet MacKay as 55 born in Dornoch, so this would make her birth in around >1796 and not in 1792. Is it possible that she may not be David MacKay and >Marran McIntosh's daughter or could the 1851 census be wrong? I looked in >the IGI and found a Jannet MacKay born 1796 in Dornoch to Robert MacKay and >Eliza Dunbar and also a Jannet christened in 1797 in Dornoch to Andrew >MacKay and Margt MacKay, there could be more but these are the only ones >that say Dornoch. How can I tell if one of these are her parents? Here is >the 1851 census for the Gibsons, any help would be appreciated.. > >1851 Fearn 5.26 Balmuchie. > >Janet MacKay, Head, Widow, 55, Spinner of Hemp, b. Sutherland, Dornoch. >Alexander Gibson, Son, Unmarried, 24, Agricultural Labourer, b. Sutherland, >Dornoch. >Joanna Gibson, Daughter, Unmarried, 20, Farm Servant, b. Sutherland, >Dornoch. > >Thank You >Robin > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You >can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. 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William did have virus but is now clean. He sent the following apology to me this morning. Apology accepted Bill. Can happen to anyone. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: William A. Meek [mailto:wamvoy@telus.net] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:56 PM To: Christine Stokes Subject: virus Sorry about all that - I have Norton Anti-Virus but when I upgraded to Windows ME a couple of months ago it disabled the program. An upgrade was required - of course nobody told me! Seems to be fixed now. Please apologize to all - I thought I had the protection. Cheers Bill --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Great, thanks Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Angela Lamb [mailto:Angela.Lamb@ed.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 11:53 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: 1891 Durness Census - Sutherland Strays > From: "Christine Stokes" <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> > Do you have any further information on the Donald MACKAY from Achins > who was in Rogart? Sure, It's the first entry in the census for Achins with 2 rooms. The family group is: Forename Surname Relation Marriage Age Gender Employment Status Born Gaelic Notes Donald MACKAY Head Married 93 M Formerly shepherd None Rogart GE Dorothy MACKAY Wife Married 89 F None None Lairg GE Christina MACKAY Daughter Unmarried 60 F None None Kincardine GE paralytic Jessie MACKAY Daughter Unmarried 40 F General servant (domestic) None Durness GE William CAMPBELL Grandson Unmarried 29 M Pupil teacher D(Employed) Durness GE Jessan MACKAY Grandson Unmarried 25 M Shepherd D(Employed) Durness GE Hope this is useful. Angi ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Many thanks Glen. This seems to be the person I was looking for. Sad tale. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Glen Matheson [mailto:jag.matheson@ns.sympatico.ca] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 1:30 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Hector Sutherland I grew up on a farm orginally cleared by a Hector Sutherland of Clyne in the 1830's/40's. It was at Balfron, Colchester, NS, a few miles north of the property mentioned by Lee Sutherland. Some of the settlers who found the hills inhosptable later moved to the lower areas as the land became available therefore we may be talking about the same Hector. The Hector Sutherland on our place was married to a Miss MacLeod, daughter of Hugh MacLeod and Janet Sutherland of Clyne. Three married daughters of Hugh and Janet came to the Earltown district in 1832, (along with several other families from Clyne, Rogart and Dornoch). They were Mrs. Hector Sutherland, Helen, (Mrs. George MacKenzie of Brora, formerly Golspie), and Annie, ( Mrs. Alex MacDonald). There were born in the 1795-1805 time frame. They had a least one brother John who came to Pictou as a bachelor four or five years previous. He acquired a farm at the mouth of Pictou Harbour in the area now known as Braeshore. Descendents claim there were other near relatives who settled across the harbour mouth at Pictou Landing. Back to Hector Sutherland and spouse: In 1846 this couple lost a child while Hector was clearing a field. It was feared that she wondered off into the woods but three days later the family dog unearthed the child's hand under a large stump. The stump had fallen on top of the child when the men severed the trunk from the fallen tree. Local lore claims that they left this farm shortly afterwards due to the grief associated with it. It was thought that they moved to Pictou County at that time. Unfortunately they left the region before the times of civil and church records therefore we don't know Mrs. Sutherland's name nor the names of their children. Glen Matheson ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Hi Tracy Sometimes it is better to give a fuller story about your search rather than just a name. Tell us who you are looking for, when you think they were born, the names of children they had - very helpful this when seeking parents as Scots families tended to stick to the traditional naming pattern - tell us where in the world they ended up and when they arrived there. You say they left from Sutherland - do you know where? Regarding birth documentation for the period 1750-1799 this is only available from the old Parish Registers of Scotland. Statutory registration of birth only began in 1855 in Scotland so prior to that you need to hope the child was taken to the church to be christened and even then you need to hope that the church register was filled in and still exists. The IGI has a basic copy of these parish registers and is a useful beginning. It is not the end of the world when a child is not on these registers as they can crop up later in census records, etc. So tell the story again with more detail and we will try to help. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Tracy A. MacLeod [mailto:tamacleod@mediaone.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 2:52 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Any thoughts? I realize that the reason I haven't heard from the list is none of you have any information to help me based on my questions posted so far. Hopefully this one is more general. Does anyone have any suggestions on obtaining birth documentation for the period roughly from 1750 to 1799. That is what I need to do now. All I have is documentation "suggesting" my Kenneth MacLeod/McLeods come from Caithness and Sutherland. I'm not sure where the were born, rumor has it Caithness but they left from Sutherland and some letters suggest they were natives of Sutherland. Any help is greatly appreciated. Cordially Tracy Tracy A. MacLeod e-mail tamacleod@mediaone.net web site http://people.ne.mediaone.net/tamacleod/index.html ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Christine, I think it was the other way around, i.e. Donald MacKay from/born in Rogart was in Achins in 1891 ----- Original Message ----- From: Angela Lamb Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 7:21 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: 1891 Durness Census - Sutherland Strays > From: "Christine Stokes" <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> > Do you have any further information on the Donald MACKAY from Achins > who was in Rogart? Sure, It's the first entry in the census for Achins with 2 rooms. The family group is: Forename Surname Relation Marriage Age Gender Employment Status Born Gaelic Notes Donald MACKAY Head Married 93 M Formerly shepherd None Rogart GE Dorothy MACKAY Wife Married 89 F None None Lairg GE Christina MACKAY Daughter Unmarried 60 F None None Kincardine GE paralytic Jessie MACKAY Daughter Unmarried 40 F General servant (domestic) None Durness GE William CAMPBELL Grandson Unmarried 29 M Pupil teacher D(Employed) Durness GE Jessan MACKAY Grandson Unmarried 25 M Shepherd D(Employed) Durness GE Hope this is useful. Angi ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog<br clear=all><hr>Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at <a href="http://www.hotmail.com">http://www.hotmail.com</a>.<br></p>