***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Although not to be dismissed as a starting point, the book has all the problems of Mackenzie's works in general. Well worth consulting R W Munro The Munro Tree, as an example of a more thorough source-based work. NB The Munros of Assynt were associated with Assynt in Easter Ross, not Assynt in Sutherland. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: Pam Cook [mailto:pamcook@inet.net.nz] Sent: 22 May 2001 10:57 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Munro ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* Some years ago I borrowed this book from one of my relatives. I went over the book with a fine toothcomb trying to find my family which orriginates from Assynt and Lairg. However try as I might I couldn't find them. As I recall there is a shortage of dates in the book. Regards Pam Cook ----- Original Message ----- From: "lizzi bell" <lizzibell@bigpond.com.au> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 10:29 AM Subject: Re: death in Meikleferry > The book is quite thick and does not have a detailed index rather it lists > all the Fowlis MUNRO families from Donald who died c.1053 to Sir > Hector,eleventh Baronet. > The Cadet Families are listed as Munros of Rhives, Munros of Kiltearn, > Munros of Fearn etc so I would need to know just in which area to > search.-full list below-some places I cannot find on the map. Most I assume > are in Rosshire with only a few in Sutherland. > > Cadet Famies; > Culcairn, Obsdale,Newmore, Culrain, Milntown, Kilmorack, Allan, Culnauld, > Tarlogie, Pitlundie & Bearcrofts, Auchenbowie, Craiglockhart & Cockburn, > Edmondsham, Fearn, Ingsdon, Coul & Balcony, Erribol, Culcraggie, Kiltearn, > Ferrytown of Obsdale, Milntown of Katewell, Ardullie, Teanoird, Killichoan, > Tain, Milntown of Alness, Teaninich, Fyrish Contullich & Kildermorie, > Dr Thomas Munro, Tullochue & Knockancuirn, Assynt, Achany, Katewell, > Limlair, Pittonachy, Novar, Rhives, Findon, Braemore, Pontzfield, Leality > now Rockfield, Lexington (American), New England (American). > > I am unable to get past a certain point in my research as I cannot find the > parentage of John MUNRO supposedly born c.1795 in Golspie, married c. 1815 > place unknown to Eliza SUTHERLAND also of Golspie and died at Drummuie in > 1851. John 's occupation is listed as firstly a shoemaker then an ag. > labourer. > So, I am trying to put together all the Munro families in Golspie. > Lizzi > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: T.Knapp <theresa.knapp@sympatico.ca> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:43 AM > Subject: death in Meikleferry > > > > Christine and list... > > > > If someone died in Meikleferry,Sutherlandshire...where would > > they most likely be buried? > > > > theresa. > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You > can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > Source for Family History Online. Go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Many thanks. His application was disallowed as he was living outwith Sutherland. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes [mailto:chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: 21 May 2001 14:53 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: HUGH MURRAY FORMERLY SKELBO 1899 ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* From Murray Families of Sutherland: Reference 6-171 shows Hugh as a child of William and May. Note that the eldest son is named David confirming Hugh's statement in his application. 6-171 WILLIAM MURRAY married MAY MACKENZIE (Mary) [11/1/1803-21/1/1874] [born c1817] William was born in Dornoch, son of John Murray and Christina Munro - see 4-185. He married May of Skelbo, on 5 July 1844 at Dornoch (IGI). The 1851 census shows them farming 38 acres at Balvraid, Dornoch. Their children may have been born there: CHRISTY, born circa 1845 (NC51/61); DAVID, born circa 1847 [died 9 April 1936 Polesmuir, Dornoch] [married Annie McGregor - see 2-087] (NC51-71/DC); JOHANNA, born circa 1849 (NC51/61); HELEN, born circa 1851 (NC51-71); ISABELLA, born circa 1852 [died 15 May 1865 Rearquhar - diptheria] (NC61/DC); HUGH, born circa 1854 [married Janet Forbes - see 3-150/1] (NC61/71); DONALD, born 19 August 1856 (IGI/NC61/71); WILLIAM, born 7 October 1858 [died 7 June 1865] (IGI/NC61/DC) and MAY, born 7 July 1861 [died 6 June 1865 of diphtheria] (DC/IGI). The family continued to live at Balvraid until the 1871 census showed them at Skelbo on a seven acre croft. William died at Skelbo in 1874. His son David signed the death certificate. In 1881 May, a widow, was at home with her son Donald, a carpenter, and her grandson Donald William Watt, aged 6 years. 1/00 And here is Hugh's eldest brother David on the family croft: 2-087 DAVID MURRAY married ANNIE McGREGOR [c1847-9/4/1936] [1854-27/9/1930] David is a son of William Murray and May Mackenzie - see 6-171 (DC). Annie was born in Creich. She and David married at 48 Upper Kessock Street, Inverness, on 17 February 1876 (MC). They lived at Polesmuir, Skelbo, where David was recorded as a shoemaker and wood man. The 1881 census shows the family living in a two-roomed house at Skelbo Lodge where they had the following children: WILLIAMINA, born 22 January 1877 [died 12 August 1877 Skelbo]; ELIZABETH (Betsy), born 30 June 1878 [died 1 April 1965] [married Mr Grant - see 2-186/1] (NC81/91); WILLIAM, born 31 August 1880 [married Alexandrina Mackay - see 6-104/1C] (NC81/91); MARGARET, born 6 April 1882 [married David Munro - see 5-033]; DAVID, born 31 March 1884 (NC91); JOHAN born 11 August 1886 [died 2 October 1930 New York, U.S.A.] (NC91); MARY, born 2 October 1889 [married Thomas Matheson - see 5-107/1); DANIEL, born 13 March 1891 (NC91); ANNIE, born 20 December 1892 [died 11 November 1971] [married Mr Hardman - see 1-231]; HUGH, born 9 March 1895 [married Frances Jane Grant - see 3-139/1]; JANET (Jessie), born 6 February 1897 [married Murdo MacPherson see 4-086/2] and ISABELLA born 25 July 1898 [died 12 September 1926 Glasgow]. David and Annie are buried in Dornoch (GY183/311). (2/01) Would be interesting to know if Hugh's application was succesful. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm.Bangor-Jones@scotland.gsi.gov.uk [mailto:Malcolm.Bangor-Jones@scotland.gsi.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:36 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: HUGH MURRAY FORMERLY SKELBO 1899 **************************************************************************** * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. **************************************************************************** * I have recently been looking into the land settlement scheme to re-people Strathnaver in the early 1900s. Some of the applications for holdings survive on Department of Agriculture files. In October 1899, an application was made by Hugh Murray, grieve at Ballindoun, Beauly. "I am a Sutherland Shire man and my oldest brother is in my fathers holding David Murray Skelbo Dornoch The rest of my fathers family are in America So I had to go to farm service when I could not get a holding I have a great many relations in Sutherland Shire such as John Murray Farmer Davochbeg ...also William Murray Doll Brora Dr Sutherland Brora and some in the most of Sutherland Shire". Hugh appears to have served an apprenticeship as a joiner with Thomas Falconar Victoria Yard Inverness. He was 45 years of age with 2 girls 1 boy: eldest will be 18 first spring boy will be 16 and youngest 14. He had previously served as farm grieve for 6 years on the Home Farm on the Isle of Raasay. Sounds familiar? Malcolm Bangor-Jones ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. 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***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Estate papers for the Skibo estate only really pick up in the latter part of the 19th century. Prior to that one is facing a distinct challenge. Given the history of debt on the estate, there are references in the Court of Session records. But these are only searchable at the National Archives and even then, a huge challenge. I would never recommend these to anyone without a severe health warning. The sasines, on the other hand, are indexed for the N Highlands (although one has to be careful that a significant number of sasines were registered in Edinburgh rather than at Fortrose). There is a printed abbreviated version of all sasines for 1781-. However, it is only available at a few locations. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: T.Knapp [mailto:theresa.knapp@sympatico.ca] Sent: 21 May 2001 06:30 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: estate records ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* Does anyone know how one can trace estate records or sasines? I am trying to verify the history of Ferryton Farm,(ownership-tenants etc) which was once part of Skibo Estate....any suggestions? thanks, t. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query!

The book is quite thick and does not have a detailed index rather it lists all the Fowlis MUNRO families from Donald who died c.1053 to Sir Hector,eleventh Baronet. The Cadet Families are listed as Munros of Rhives, Munros of Kiltearn, Munros of Fearn etc so I would need to know just in which area to search.-full list below-some places I cannot find on the map. Most I assume are in Rosshire with only a few in Sutherland. Cadet Famies; Culcairn, Obsdale,Newmore, Culrain, Milntown, Kilmorack, Allan, Culnauld, Tarlogie, Pitlundie & Bearcrofts, Auchenbowie, Craiglockhart & Cockburn, Edmondsham, Fearn, Ingsdon, Coul & Balcony, Erribol, Culcraggie, Kiltearn, Ferrytown of Obsdale, Milntown of Katewell, Ardullie, Teanoird, Killichoan, Tain, Milntown of Alness, Teaninich, Fyrish Contullich & Kildermorie, Dr Thomas Munro, Tullochue & Knockancuirn, Assynt, Achany, Katewell, Limlair, Pittonachy, Novar, Rhives, Findon, Braemore, Pontzfield, Leality now Rockfield, Lexington (American), New England (American). I am unable to get past a certain point in my research as I cannot find the parentage of John MUNRO supposedly born c.1795 in Golspie, married c. 1815 place unknown to Eliza SUTHERLAND also of Golspie and died at Drummuie in 1851. John 's occupation is listed as firstly a shoemaker then an ag. labourer. So, I am trying to put together all the Munro families in Golspie. Lizzi ----- Original Message ----- From: T.Knapp <theresa.knapp@sympatico.ca> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 8:43 AM Subject: death in Meikleferry > Christine and list... > > If someone died in Meikleferry,Sutherlandshire...where would > they most likely be buried? > > theresa. > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com >

In the ancient cemetery of Scibberscross, Strath Brora, there are many stones with a fleur de lys emblem. It has been said to me that this was the insignia of those who had Jacobite sympathy. Apparently men wore a white rose for the same reason. I understood that most of Sutherland had little or nothing to do with the 1745. Can anyone explain this or confirm the use of the fleur de lys? Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Here are the dates said to be available for births, deaths and marriages on the OPRs in Edinburgh. However, I should point out that it makes no account of the 'missing' pages especially in Rogart. DORNOCH. District Number 47. B/C - 1730 to 1854. M - 1734 to 1849. D - 1821 to 1854. ROGART. District Number 55. B/C - 1768 to 1854. M - 1769 to 1773, 1838 to 1854. D - None recorded. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Trying to find info on John Cormack who was living at Dunrobin Mains, Golspie in the 81 census. I think he may have died in the 1880's but have not confirmed it yet. He was 30 years old in 1881, also Janet Jessie Bruce married a MacKay during the same time period. I can't find her either. She was living in Creich in 1881 with her brother John Bruce. Does anyone have a 1891 census that would be willing to do a lookup? Thanks, Charlie USA

Hi Theresa The only George Munro in Golspie churchyard is: Hector Munro of Novar, Chamberland to the Earl of Sutherland and Anna Munro his spouse since 1679; George third son, died 1697. This Anna Munro was the daughter of Hugh Munro of Teaninich. Nothing further. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: T.Knapp [mailto:theresa.knapp@sympatico.ca] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:10 PM To: chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk Subject: cemetary lookup Christine, Do you happen to have a Col. George Munro in the Dornoch/Golspie cemetary at all? theresa. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

A Scottish death certificate gives you the following: Deceased's name and marital status with spouse's name plus the deceased's occupation The date and precise time of death and the place where the death occurred The full name of deceased's parents plus whether they are dead or alive and the maiden surname of the mother The cause of death and whether or not a doctor was seen The signature and the status of the informant of death - usually a son or daughter etc They are very useful bits of paper. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: T.Knapp [mailto:theresa.knapp@sympatico.ca] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 9:07 PM To: Christine Stokes Subject: Re: request death record thanks....I have a Lieut. Angus Sutherland-Leslie confirmed as being buried in the Dornoch Cemetary (photo etc.)...would any information on his death record 25 March 1856 tell me more than just his parents names? Would it say anything more on his parents? t. --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

Have now checked the graveyard inscriptions book and there is no stone for a Donald Sutherland and Christian Gordon in Dornoch. In Golspie there is no stone with both their names but there are at least six fallen gravestones where all that is legible is the name Donald Sutherland. Popular name. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: T.Knapp [mailto:theresa.knapp@sympatico.ca] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:10 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: request death record Can someone tell me how I would go about locating a death certificate if all I have is the year, and approximate place of death....for the year 1798. Donald SUTHERLAND d.1798, his wife was Christian GORDON he died of apoplexy, we are assuming he died Meikleferry area/Dornoch. thankyou, t. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

There are no death certificates in Scotland prior to 1855 when statutory registration of births, deaths and marriages began. Prior to that the only place to find a death is those lucky enough to have a gravestone still standing in one of the churchyards. There are very few stones compared to the numbers who died. In a few instances there is a mention of a death in the Old Parish Registers but again they are few and far between. You can look at these registers at your local family history centre if you order the films. When a person shown on the census records after 1851 it is easier as the spouse is then shown as widow or widower which at least gives an indication of death during the preceeding ten years. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: T.Knapp [mailto:theresa.knapp@sympatico.ca] Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2001 8:10 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: request death record Can someone tell me how I would go about locating a death certificate if all I have is the year, and approximate place of death....for the year 1798. Donald SUTHERLAND d.1798, his wife was Christian GORDON he died of apoplexy, we are assuming he died Meikleferry area/Dornoch. thankyou, t. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

>From Murray Families of Sutherland: Reference 6-171 shows Hugh as a child of William and May. Note that the eldest son is named David confirming Hugh's statement in his application. 6-171 WILLIAM MURRAY married MAY MACKENZIE (Mary) [11/1/1803-21/1/1874] [born c1817] William was born in Dornoch, son of John Murray and Christina Munro - see 4-185. He married May of Skelbo, on 5 July 1844 at Dornoch (IGI). The 1851 census shows them farming 38 acres at Balvraid, Dornoch. Their children may have been born there: CHRISTY, born circa 1845 (NC51/61); DAVID, born circa 1847 [died 9 April 1936 Polesmuir, Dornoch] [married Annie McGregor - see 2-087] (NC51-71/DC); JOHANNA, born circa 1849 (NC51/61); HELEN, born circa 1851 (NC51-71); ISABELLA, born circa 1852 [died 15 May 1865 Rearquhar - diptheria] (NC61/DC); HUGH, born circa 1854 [married Janet Forbes - see 3-150/1] (NC61/71); DONALD, born 19 August 1856 (IGI/NC61/71); WILLIAM, born 7 October 1858 [died 7 June 1865] (IGI/NC61/DC) and MAY, born 7 July 1861 [died 6 June 1865 of diphtheria] (DC/IGI). The family continued to live at Balvraid until the 1871 census showed them at Skelbo on a seven acre croft. William died at Skelbo in 1874. His son David signed the death certificate. In 1881 May, a widow, was at home with her son Donald, a carpenter, and her grandson Donald William Watt, aged 6 years. 1/00 And here is Hugh's eldest brother David on the family croft: 2-087 DAVID MURRAY married ANNIE McGREGOR [c1847-9/4/1936] [1854-27/9/1930] David is a son of William Murray and May Mackenzie - see 6-171 (DC). Annie was born in Creich. She and David married at 48 Upper Kessock Street, Inverness, on 17 February 1876 (MC). They lived at Polesmuir, Skelbo, where David was recorded as a shoemaker and wood man. The 1881 census shows the family living in a two-roomed house at Skelbo Lodge where they had the following children: WILLIAMINA, born 22 January 1877 [died 12 August 1877 Skelbo]; ELIZABETH (Betsy), born 30 June 1878 [died 1 April 1965] [married Mr Grant - see 2-186/1] (NC81/91); WILLIAM, born 31 August 1880 [married Alexandrina Mackay - see 6-104/1C] (NC81/91); MARGARET, born 6 April 1882 [married David Munro - see 5-033]; DAVID, born 31 March 1884 (NC91); JOHAN born 11 August 1886 [died 2 October 1930 New York, U.S.A.] (NC91); MARY, born 2 October 1889 [married Thomas Matheson - see 5-107/1); DANIEL, born 13 March 1891 (NC91); ANNIE, born 20 December 1892 [died 11 November 1971] [married Mr Hardman - see 1-231]; HUGH, born 9 March 1895 [married Frances Jane Grant - see 3-139/1]; JANET (Jessie), born 6 February 1897 [married Murdo MacPherson see 4-086/2] and ISABELLA born 25 July 1898 [died 12 September 1926 Glasgow]. David and Annie are buried in Dornoch (GY183/311). (2/01) Would be interesting to know if Hugh's application was succesful. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Malcolm.Bangor-Jones@scotland.gsi.gov.uk [mailto:Malcolm.Bangor-Jones@scotland.gsi.gov.uk] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 1:36 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: HUGH MURRAY FORMERLY SKELBO 1899 **************************************************************************** * This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. **************************************************************************** * I have recently been looking into the land settlement scheme to re-people Strathnaver in the early 1900s. Some of the applications for holdings survive on Department of Agriculture files. In October 1899, an application was made by Hugh Murray, grieve at Ballindoun, Beauly. "I am a Sutherland Shire man and my oldest brother is in my fathers holding David Murray Skelbo Dornoch The rest of my fathers family are in America So I had to go to farm service when I could not get a holding I have a great many relations in Sutherland Shire such as John Murray Farmer Davochbeg ...also William Murray Doll Brora Dr Sutherland Brora and some in the most of Sutherland Shire". Hugh appears to have served an apprenticeship as a joiner with Thomas Falconar Victoria Yard Inverness. He was 45 years of age with 2 girls 1 boy: eldest will be 18 first spring boy will be 16 and youngest 14. He had previously served as farm grieve for 6 years on the Home Farm on the Isle of Raasay. Sounds familiar? Malcolm Bangor-Jones ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. 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Can anyone tell me if it has ever been known for a Hector to be a James? Is there any sense in thinking that a James Grant could be known as Hector? Would love to hear from anyone who has found an instance of these two names being interchangeable. Thanks Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** I have recently been looking into the land settlement scheme to re-people Strathnaver in the early 1900s. Some of the applications for holdings survive on Department of Agriculture files. In October 1899, an application was made by Hugh Murray, grieve at Ballindoun, Beauly. "I am a Sutherland Shire man and my oldest brother is in my fathers holding David Murray Skelbo Dornoch The rest of my fathers family are in America So I had to go to farm service when I could not get a holding I have a great many relations in Sutherland Shire such as John Murray Farmer Davochbeg ...also William Murray Doll Brora Dr Sutherland Brora and some in the most of Sutherland Shire". Hugh appears to have served an apprenticeship as a joiner with Thomas Falconar Victoria Yard Inverness. He was 45 years of age with 2 girls 1 boy: eldest will be 18 first spring boy will be 16 and youngest 14. He had previously served as farm grieve for 6 years on the Home Farm on the Isle of Raasay. Sounds familiar? Malcolm Bangor-Jones

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** In the second half of the 18th century there were a number of Regiments raised in Sutherland - Fencible and otherwise. The Sutherland family exercised a very strong influence in deciding who should become officers. Patronage, as it was called, was part of public life and extended to posts in the customs etc. The middle classes - the large farmers etc - were forever writing to the Sutherland family or their lawyers, trying to persuade the landlord to put in a good word in the appropriate place. PS A word about the 'Duke'. The Countess of Sutherland succeeded in 1766. She married Earl Gower in 1785 but continued to be known as the Countess. He became Marquis of Stafford in 1803 from which point she was the Marchioness of Stafford. He became the Duke of Sutherland in 1833. After his death that year, she was known as the Duchess-Countess. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: T.Knapp [mailto:theresa.knapp@sympatico.ca] Sent: 17 May 2001 04:30 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: purchasing of commissions ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* Was it a common practice for the Duke of Sutherland to be purchasing commissions for the army etc. during the early 1800's....would one have to be related, close family friend, or this was a common practice... any ideas? theresa. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Hi Christine, It's ME , It's ME, I would love a copy of what you have found in the Golspie cemetery re John MUNRO-my brick wall. Thanks heaps. Lizzi- looking for any MUNRO's in Golspie. P.S I have a very old copy of Alexander Mackenzie's 'History of The MUNROS of Fowlis' c.1898 if anyone wants some info from it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2001 4:15 AM Subject: John Munro in Drummuie, Golspie Hello all So much in my brain right now I am becoming forgetful! Who was it who had a relative John Munro in Drummuie, Golspie? I have taken a photograph while in St Andrew's Kirkyard last week. If whoever it was lets me know they will get the photograph. No comments about getting old makes you forgetful please! Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.250 / Virus Database: 123 - Release Date: 4/18/01 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com

Does anyone know how one can trace estate records or sasines? I am trying to verify the history of Ferryton Farm,(ownership-tenants etc) which was once part of Skibo Estate....any suggestions? thanks, t.

David SUTHERLAND m. Catherine MCKENZIE, her father: Hugh Mckenzie, Tanner of Parish Creich.... David died 1805, leaving a son Kenneth and several daughters....David was a boat builder, cooper, and fish curer.. does anyone have any info. on him and his family in Helmsdale?

James McKay, Esq. Meikleferry, had one son: William Mckay (oilman) b. 1727 d.1799 who married a Sarah SPENCER (age23 in 1760) she was from a Churchill Estate...does anyone have any info. on them?

Do the original extracts of marriage records circa 1788 include more than just the name of persons being married as shown in the Extracts?