Hi list I now have a copy of all male persons above 16 years oa age residng within the parish of dornoch excluding servants in April 1822. I have copied out all those living at Berrichen later known as Birichen as there has been much discussion on this area on the list recently. If anyone wishes to know about any other name or area please ask. Berrichen: Alexander Sutherland, farmer Angus Sutherland, shoemaker John Sutherland, labourer Donald Sutherland, labourer James Sutherland, farmer and his son George George Sutherland, farmer Donald Macintosh farmer Robert Ross, farmer Alexander Macleod, army pensioner Angus Calder, farmer James Sutherland, farmer James Mackay, shoemaker Hugh Mackay, tailor George Gunn, tailor James Murray, apprentice tailor to George Gunn Hugh Macdonald, army pensioner George Macleod, army pensioner Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01

I'm forwarding this from the DUTCH-COLONIES list with Sharilyn's permission. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharilyn Whitaker" <sharilyn@northcoast.com> To: <Dutch-Colonies-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 7:57 PM Subject: [D-Col] English/Scots > Peggy wrote: > > <<Of course, we also have Patric Magrigry. Looks like 2 of them, > actually. One is having a son in Kingston in 1687, and another > is > marrying, designated y.m., in Albany 10 years later. And there's > David Toshack "a Scotchman by birth" in Kingston in 1688.>> > > I have collected a great deal of information on the > Scotch-Presbyterian > emigration led by Col. Patrick Mc Gregory and David Toshack, his > brother-in-law, the "Laird of Monzievaird", who came, as did > Col. John Evans a little later, at the behest of Quaker > Governor Robert Barclay: > > from "Early Quaker History" > > "The outbreak of persecution of Friends back in England again > led > seventeen Quakers to purchase East Jersey to serve as a refuge > where Friends could practice their faith without interference. > Robert Barclay, the brilliant young Scottish Quaker theologian, > served as Governor of the colony for a time." > > In addition to the settlement on Moodna Creek near Quassaick's > Kil in the > Highlands of Ulster/Orange, a similar Scotch settlement of > Presbyterians and Quakers was set up in the area called "Scotch > Hill" in North Carolina at about the same time. > > I have amassed a wealth of information about the Mc Gregory > family and on > the related Sutherland family, and would be happy to share this > with anyone else that is interested. I also have contact with > several fine researchers of this subject. > > Among the things I have received from them was a copy of the > broadside circulated in Perth ca 1683-1684 to attract colonists. > It states "in the shire of Pearth(sic) let them apply > themselves to David Toshach of Monyvard and Captain Macgreiger" > and so forth. It was published in the work of Dobson who wrote > extensively on the Scotch emigrations. > > Regards, > > Sharilyn > > > ==== Dutch-Colonies Mailing List ==== > NOTICE: Posting of virus warnings, test messages, chain letters, political > announcements, current events, personal messages, flames, > etc. is NOT ALLOWED and will be grounds for removal > and exclusion from this mailing list. > For comments or list administration questions,please contact > Holly Timm hollyft@bright.net > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > >

Loth Parish, 1830: George and Donald McKenzie are brothers. Further info available. Ron Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario Canada L0S 1J0 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.256 / Virus Database: 129 - Release Date: 5/31/01

The following was posted to an Australian list and might well be of interest to someone here: | from Grolier Encyclopaedia under heading MUNRO | | James (1832-1908) Premier of Victoria, was born in a village in | Sutherlandshire, Scotland on 7.1.1832. At the age of 16 he obtained | employment as a printer and he followed the same trade after | emigrating to Melbourne in 1858. Seven years later he founded the | Victorian Permanent Building Society of which he was manager for 17 | years. | In 1874 he was elected to represent North Melbourne in the Leg. | Assembly, and in the next year briefly held the office as Minister of | Public Instruction. Subsequently he founded two banks and in the boom | year of 1888 he was reputed to have been a millionaire. In 1890 he | visited England and raised a large amount of capital for is various | companies. On the strength of his reputation as a financier he ousted | the GILLES Gov. and in November 1890 he became Premier and Treasurer. | Two years later he resigned to become Agent-General for Victoria in | London. As a result of the banking crisis he was recalled in 1893, | and replaced by GILLES. Of his varied foundations, only the Victorian | Permanent Building Society survived the crises. He found himself | financially ruined and retired from public life. | Munro rep. Victoria at the Federal Convention of 1891, but otherwise | did not take a leading part in the Federation campaign. He always | showed interest in the temperance movement and was a force in the | Caledonian Society of Melbourne, of which he was president in 1884 and | 1886-7. He died on 25th Feb. 1908. He married in 1853 Jane | Macdonald, and had a family of four sons and three daughters. | | VICTORIAN MINISTRIES | No. 24 - J. MUNRO 5th Nov. 1890 to 16th Feb 1892. | and from another posting on the same subject: > the Victorian Govt "The Story of the Century 1851-1951" edited by > E.A. Doyle > and in appendix II > > James Munro 5th Nov 1890 to 16 Feb 1892. > > In a chapter on "The rise of labour" page 194, James Munro is mentioned and > there is a portrait of him on the same page > "It is noteworthy that Mr James Munro, leader of the Opposition in the > Legislative Assembly, early in 1890, and ambitious for office, was avowedly > sympathetic to industrial unionism." > > > > if you can get "Victoria A History" by Don Garden where there are several > references to Munro, eg > " Munro was a Scottish-born Presbyterian, a temperance advocate and > sabbatarian wowser. He was also one of the largest land boomers, numbering > among his companies the Federal Bank, the Federal Building Society..." > > With that description,you will need to look at the daring "Land Boomers" by > Michael Cannon, where Munro has many page references. > .....................................

My name is Lois Flook, and I am a new member of this list. I have been able to trace my ancestry back to Hugh Flook/Fluke, my gggrandfather, born in County Down,Ireland, in 1801. Hugh Flook immigrated to Canada and married Janet GOODFELLOW on December 25, 1832 in Smiths Falls, Ontario. I have no further information on Janet, my gggrandmother, other than that she was born on March 26, 1814, in Eddrachillis, Sutherland, Scotland. Should any member of this list be kind enough to provide me with information on Eddrachillis, the GOODFELLOW family, and/or how I can obtain a birth certificate for her, I would be most grateful. You can e-mail me off-list at laf1202@webtv.net. Many thanks. Lois in Philadelphia

Hi Christine, I have noticed that there appear to have been a number of GUNNs in the Sutherland area and that you have a GUNN connection. In your searches, have you ever come across a BRYSON-GUNN? The chap I am looking for would have been born around 1880 and by the 1930s was a G.P. practising in Manchester, England. I don't know his first name. BW Brenda the.triggersons@sympatico.ca Researching: MACLENNAN, MACKAY, MACLEAN, MACRAE, MUNRO, MATHESON, HOSSACK & MACKENZIE all in the Highlands.

Hello Dario and welcome to the list Your first posting was most interesting and I am intrigued by your suggestion of murder! I have been researching families in Sutherland for many years and it has always struck me as strange the number of people who apparently died without reason - I have instances of death certificates which contain as the reason for death "unknown". Folks would never get away with it nowadays. Malcolm is in Sutherland right now but I think he is due back soon. No doubt he will contact you with his sources. I wonder if it would be worthwhile trying to find a police record of this event - possibly in the Highland Archives at Inverness? I contacted the Police Archives at Dundee while searching for information on one of my Murray family and the help they gave was first class. Even told me what my man was wearing on the day! I have quite a bit of information in my "Murray Families of Sutherland" relating to Benjamin Leslie and his marriage into the Murrays. I post it here for interest. 5-012 LOUISA MURRAY married BENJAMIN LESLIE [28/10/1836-18/5/1921] [8/11/1832-25/1/1870] Louisa was born at East Brora, daughter of James Murray and Ann Gunn - see 4-008. Benjamin is the son of George Leslie and Christina Munro. Louisa and Benjamin married on 8 November 1861 in Clyne (IGI). They had the following children (LESLIE): Christina, born 26 August 1862 Ridorrach Lodge, Loch Broom [married William Murray - see 6-119A] (GY); Andrew Murray, born 5 April 1864 Ridorrach Lodge [died 20 February 1892 at 13 Bruntsfield Place, Edinburgh - bachelor, assistant warehouseman - death certificate signed by aunt Hughina Murray] (GY); George, born 24 February 1867 Ridorrach Lodge [married Margaret Wilson in 1890 Dundee - had daughter Louisa born 1890 in Golspie (BC)] (MC) and Benjamin, born circa 1870 [married Margaret Lyall Murray - see 5-032A]. Benjamin Leslie was a servant to the Duke of Sutherland. He moved from Dunrobin to look after Rhidooroch Lodge in Lochbroom around 1861. Rhidooroch was on the Cromartie estate which at that period was amalgamated with th Sutherland estate through the marriage of the Duke to the Mackenzie heiress. Benjamin's death ws reported in the Newspapers (Inverness Advertiser 1 February 1870). He died aged about 37 when walking back through the hills from Strath Oykel. The body was found about one and a half miles from his house. He probably died of exposure. His son Benjamin was born soon after. In 1891 Louisa was in East Brora where she was a Boarding House Keeper. Louisa died in Brora. Benjamin senior had died at Rhidarroch, Ullapool. They are buried in Golspie (GY268/30). 4-008 JAMES MURRAY married ANN GUNN [1783-12/2/1888] [11/8/1798-4/11/1879] James, a collier at Brochroby, Clyne, is the son of Andrew Murray and Christy Bruce - see 1-128 (DC). Ann was born in Golspie, daughter of Hugh Gunn and Jane McLeod (DC). James and Ann of Rogart married on 26 December 1820 in Clyne (SCR). The 1841 census shows them farming at East Brora. They had the following children, born in Brora (OPR): CHRISTIAN [Christy], born 11 October 1821[died 13 January 1903] [married Donald Baillie - see 2-057] (NC41); ISABELLA, born circa 1823 [died 27 August 1919] [married William Sutherland - see 3-192] (NC41); JANE [Jean], born 1 April 1826 [died 13 February 1904] [married Alexander McKay and Grant Murray - see 3-095] (NC41); JANET [Jessie], born 2 February 1829 [died 11 September 1908 East Brora - laundry maid and crofter - death certificate signed by her grandnephew, Alexander Sutherland] (NC41/61); twins ANN 19 April 1831[died 3 August 1903] [married Donald Gilchrist - see 1-184] (GY/NC41) and HUGH, born 19 April 1831 [died 15 March 1833] (GY); twins ANDREW, born 26 February 1834 [died 8 December 1858] (GY/NC41/51) and WILLIAMINA, born 26 February 1834 [died 5 April 1919 East Brora, spinster, crofter - death certificate signed by Andrew Murray, grandnephew] (NC41-61/DC); LOUISA [Lucy], born 28 October 1836 [died 18 May 1921] [married Benjamin Leslie - see 5-012] (NC41/51) and HUGHINA, born 21 September 1843 [died 31 August 1932 East Brora, spinster, retired housekeeper] (NC51/61). In 1851 the family were at North Brora where James was described as a lotter. An Ann Murray, born 1831 in Clyne, in 1851 as a house servant in the Grant home in Brora village. In 1861 the family were in Brora with their daughter Williamina, spinster and domestic servant. In 1871 the family included two grandchildren: Dorothy Sutherland, 17 years old and Williamina Gunn, aged 9 years. Williamina Gunn or Murray was born in Clyne on 9 July 1861 the daughter of Williamina Murray and John Gunn (IGI94). Young Williamina later married her cousin Alexander Sutherland, son of her aunt Isabella. The 1881 census shows James crofting at East Brora, aged 82 years. The five-roomed house was also home to his daughter Janet, aged 54 years, a laundress; Williamina, housekeeper and Williamina Gunn, grandaughter. Also with the family was James's great grandson, Alexander Sutherland, aged three years. Hughina Murray was working as a cook domestic servant in Edinburgh where she was recorded at 29 Walker Street in 1881. James died in 1888 and was buried with his wife in Clyne. In 1891 Janet was head of the household and a crofter. Her sister, Williamina was a laundrymaid and Williamina Gunn and young Alexander Sutherland continued to live on the croft (GY47/77). If you can add anything, or if you would like to see the further references mentioned above please email me direct. Best wishes Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Dario Leslie [mailto:darioleslie@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 3:21 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: SUT: LESLIEs of Backies (and Rhidorroch) This is my first post to the list. It is quite long and complicated. Apologies for that and any lapses of etiquette. By way of introduction. My name is Dario LESLIE and as my surname suggests I have Scottish ancestors. I was born in London and still live in southern England, but both my father and grandmother were LESLIEs brought up in Brora in Sutherland where the family home was. Unusually, the LESLIE surname was passed down through the maternal line in the case of my grandmother who reverted to her maiden name by deed poll when she was widowed at the age of twenty-three. I have recently begun tracing my family history and so was delighted to find the thread on the LESLIE family of Backies in the Feb 2001 mailing list as this clearly refers to my family. I thought I would post to share and seek additional information. Taking Benjamin LESLIE first. Benjamin LESLIE was my great great grandfather and was born in Golspie in 1832 the son of George LESLIE of Backies. He died in Rhidorroch in 1870 and is buried in the graveyard of St Andrew's church Golspie along with other LESLIEs (of which more later). Our family oral tradition regarding Benjamin is interesting: it says that he was a factor at Rhidorroch where he died not of natural causes, but murder. Apparently he was shot by poachers. I was told this by my grandmother (his granddaughter) Bertha. Although Bertha would not have known Benjamin, she would have just known his wife Louisa who died when Bertha was seven. The story must have been passed down from Louisa as she lived to be 85, dying in 1921 in Brora (just a few miles from Golspie), and would have had plenty of time to tell her children and grandchildren about Benjamin. In May 2001 I travelled to Brora with my family to inter Bertha's remains, and stayed for a week during which I tried to verify the oral history of the family. Much of it was accurate, but I was unable to confirm the murder tale. However, the Dingwall registrar considered Benjamin's death record to be unusual as it was registered by the procurator fiscal, and his parent's names are not recorded. The cause of death is given as apoplexy. These records and the information in Malcolm Bangor-Jones' posts in February leave a little room in my mind to suspect that Benjamin's death may have been unusual. I wonder if he may have been shot at and was either injured or just shocked enough to die subsequently. I have also wondered if there are any reasons why the murder might have been hushed up. I would welcome any comments and additional information. I would be interested to know if Malcolm Bangor-Jones has found any other information about Benjamin since his post in February, and would be grateful if he could tell me how I can get copies of the sources he cites in that post. I would also be grateful if Isabella McGregor can post any additional information on Benjamin's children. My own line, which I know quite well, runs through his posthumous son Benjamin. Moving on to the other LESLIES of Backies. I was very interested in Sheryl Sharp's family history - we are clearly very distant cousins both in terms of relationship and geography! My own research confirms much of Sherl's history, but I have been unable to conclusively demonstrate that George LESLIE born 1754 was the same George LESLIE who married Christina MCPHERSON in 1796. My concern is that generation times seem to be about 20 years back then rather than the 40 plus years in this case. The records from Golspie for this period seem to be very patchy and don't help much. Furthermore, I am having trouble tying in the records for this period with the stones in the local graveyard. In the graveyard of St Andrew's Church Golspie, I found a cluster of LESLIE graves including a well preserved standing stone for Benjamin LESLIE of Rhiddoroch fame, and another for George LESLIE born 1797, who was the son of George LESLIE and Christina MCPHERSON. There is no stone which can obviously be attributed to George LESLIE and Christina MCPHERSON. However, there is a pair of older flat stones roughly ascribed to George LESLEY and Elen MACLEOD. I note that there is a record of a Helen MCLEOD being born in Golspie in 1756 and so I wonder whether she was the spouse of George born 1754, and that the paired flat stones are their graves. One of the flat stones has a rough date inscription which could be 1751 but is more accurately represented in type as / 7 5 ) but there is no indication of what the date refers to. As a point of interest there was an even older flat stone inscribed Gorg LESLY nearby. Maybe the marriage to Christina MCPHERSON was George LESLIE's second marriage. Maybe he first married Helen MCLEOD who bore him no children. She died or they parted, and he then married Christina MCPHERSON in his later years. The other possibility, which would tidy up the generation times, is that there is an extra generation not recorded in the Golspie records. George LESLIE born 1754 could have had a son (named George) in the 1770s who married Christina in 1796. I have found no hard documentary evidence to support either possibility. The only incidental evidence I can find is that in Margaret Wilson Grant's book "Golpsie's Story" the list of Golspie parish men liable for military service in 1810 does not include George LESLIE. Eligibility for this list depends on being aged between 18 and 45 years. If George had been born in 1754 then he would indeed have been too old. If there were an additional generation in the 1770s then that George would have been eligible. I would be interested to know what Sheryl's sources are, and whether anyone can help help to confirm this period of the LESLIE family. Aside from all that, my own research indicates that George LESLIE b. 30-4-1754 was the son of another George LESLIE of Golspie. No spouse is given for the elder George, but Golspie records show the birth of the following other children to George LESLIE (spouse unnamed) at this time: George b. 21-12-1740 Donald b. 15-5-1743 Florence b. 26-7-1745 John b. 24-7-1748 According to Margaret Wilson Grant's book "Golpsie's Story" the list of seat holders in Golspie Kirk in 1752 contains only one LESLIE: George LESLIE, tenant of Backies, so I suspect that all of the above children were siblings of George LESLIE born 1754. Well that's about all I have for now. Any comments or further info would be very welcome. Dario Leslie Wiltshire, England _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. 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Hi Dario, That was very interesting about Benjamin Leslie's death. I had presumed he died from exposure, but did think it was strange that there was no mention of severe weather in the report, althought it was the end of Jan. Here is the report from The Inverness Advertiser Tues. 1st Feb. 1870. Ullapool, Jan. 28th. A very melancholy death occured in the neighbourhood this week. Benjamin Leslie, a servant in the employment of his Grace the Duke of Sutherland at Rhidorrach, left home on Tuesday morning with his sister-in-law for Oikel to overtake the mail gig, intending to return the same evening. As he did not return as expected, his wife naturally got alarmed, and early on Wednesday sent a messenger off to Oikel. The messenger returned in the evening with the information that Leslie had called at a shepherd's house the previous evening, and after partaking of some refreshments left for home. Accordingly the neighbours commenced a search at moonrise, which they continued till daybreak on Thursday, when his dead body was found about a mile and a half from his own house. Deceased was a quiet, inoffensive man, and much respected by all who knew him. He was about thirty-seven years of age.Much sympathy is felt for the bereaved widow, who is left with the charge of a young family. Here is some info. on Benjamin's children, and where I fit into it. My G G G Grandparents Andrew Murray b.c. 1770 / Christy Bruce b.c. 1770 Their son James Murray (my G G Grandfather) b.c. 1797 married Ann Gunn b. 11-8-1798 Their daughter Louisa Murray b. 28-10-1836 m. Benjamin Leslie b. 8-11-1832 Their children:- (1) Christina b. 26-8-1862 died 7-10-1895 married William Murray b. 22-2-1859died 12-12-1944 He was the son of John Murray/Helen Gordon Christina and William married in Clyne 5-12-1890 Their children:- Hellen b. 28-11-1892 in Inverness Andrew b. 9-7-1894 in Dornoch After Christina's death William married 22-12-1899 Margaret Ross in Tain. (2) Andrew b. 5-5-1864 died 20-2-1892(single) at 13 Brunsfield Place, Edinburgh. (3) George b. 24-2-1867 married 3-1-1890 in Dundee, Margaret Wilson daughter of James Wilson and Margaret Nicolson. Their ch. Louisa b. 9-4-1890 in Golspie She is the only one I have found so far. (4) Benjamin b. 2-3-1870 died 26-12-1927 married 27-9-1899 Margaret Lyall Murray b.18-9-1877 died 21-2-1968 daughter of James Murray/Elizabeth Jack Their children:- Christina b. 11-10-1901 died 16-10-1901 Christina b. 22-4-1903 James Murray b. 24-5-1904 Andrew Murray b. 11-9-1906 Elizabeth Jack b. 10-9-1906 Louisa b. 8-7-1910 Edith Lyall b. 27-9-1911 Bertha b 22-11-1913 Margaret Murray b. 23-5-1916 Hope some of this is useful. Louisa's older sister Jane b,1-4-1826 is my line . Isabella.

Hello Christine and Malcolm The Emigration Lists are wonderful. The Residenter list may have solved an ancient mystery. Many thanks! Question (of course!) for everyone on the list: What is the significance this phrase? "To succeed the Headleys" These words appear in brackets under the heading "For Quebec and Pictou" on the public notice for the Sylvanus at http://www.highlandhearts.com/emigration.html Any chance "the Headleys" refers to a seasonal weather condition in the North Sea or the Atlantic? Possibly "the Headleys" were the previous owners of the brig Sylvanus? Best wishes, Frances Original Message: >...We have been really busy working on new pages for Highland Hearts and are >now able to announce that you can view the EMIGRATION LISTS of the tenants >from the properties owned by the Countess of Sutherland who left the county >during the years 1829-1831. We have also created an addendum with further >information on those families we know about. If you can add to the >information already available then please let me know and we will be happy >to include it. > >Christine >Highland Hearts >http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/>

This is my first post to the list. It is quite long and complicated. Apologies for that and any lapses of etiquette. By way of introduction. My name is Dario LESLIE and as my surname suggests I have Scottish ancestors. I was born in London and still live in southern England, but both my father and grandmother were LESLIEs brought up in Brora in Sutherland where the family home was. Unusually, the LESLIE surname was passed down through the maternal line in the case of my grandmother who reverted to her maiden name by deed poll when she was widowed at the age of twenty-three. I have recently begun tracing my family history and so was delighted to find the thread on the LESLIE family of Backies in the Feb 2001 mailing list as this clearly refers to my family. I thought I would post to share and seek additional information. Taking Benjamin LESLIE first. Benjamin LESLIE was my great great grandfather and was born in Golspie in 1832 the son of George LESLIE of Backies. He died in Rhidorroch in 1870 and is buried in the graveyard of St Andrew’s church Golspie along with other LESLIEs (of which more later). Our family oral tradition regarding Benjamin is interesting: it says that he was a factor at Rhidorroch where he died not of natural causes, but murder. Apparently he was shot by poachers. I was told this by my grandmother (his granddaughter) Bertha. Although Bertha would not have known Benjamin, she would have just known his wife Louisa who died when Bertha was seven. The story must have been passed down from Louisa as she lived to be 85, dying in 1921 in Brora (just a few miles from Golspie), and would have had plenty of time to tell her children and grandchildren about Benjamin. In May 2001 I travelled to Brora with my family to inter Bertha’s remains, and stayed for a week during which I tried to verify the oral history of the family. Much of it was accurate, but I was unable to confirm the murder tale. However, the Dingwall registrar considered Benjamin’s death record to be unusual as it was registered by the procurator fiscal, and his parent’s names are not recorded. The cause of death is given as apoplexy. These records and the information in Malcolm Bangor-Jones’ posts in February leave a little room in my mind to suspect that Benjamin’s death may have been unusual. I wonder if he may have been shot at and was either injured or just shocked enough to die subsequently. I have also wondered if there are any reasons why the murder might have been hushed up. I would welcome any comments and additional information. I would be interested to know if Malcolm Bangor-Jones has found any other information about Benjamin since his post in February, and would be grateful if he could tell me how I can get copies of the sources he cites in that post. I would also be grateful if Isabella McGregor can post any additional information on Benjamin’s children. My own line, which I know quite well, runs through his posthumous son Benjamin. Moving on to the other LESLIES of Backies. I was very interested in Sheryl Sharp’s family history – we are clearly very distant cousins both in terms of relationship and geography! My own research confirms much of Sherl’s history, but I have been unable to conclusively demonstrate that George LESLIE born 1754 was the same George LESLIE who married Christina MCPHERSON in 1796. My concern is that generation times seem to be about 20 years back then rather than the 40 plus years in this case. The records from Golspie for this period seem to be very patchy and don’t help much. Furthermore, I am having trouble tying in the records for this period with the stones in the local graveyard. In the graveyard of St Andrew’s Church Golspie, I found a cluster of LESLIE graves including a well preserved standing stone for Benjamin LESLIE of Rhiddoroch fame, and another for George LESLIE born 1797, who was the son of George LESLIE and Christina MCPHERSON. There is no stone which can obviously be attributed to George LESLIE and Christina MCPHERSON. However, there is a pair of older flat stones roughly ascribed to George LESLEY and Elen MACLEOD. I note that there is a record of a Helen MCLEOD being born in Golspie in 1756 and so I wonder whether she was the spouse of George born 1754, and that the paired flat stones are their graves. One of the flat stones has a rough date inscription which could be 1751 but is more accurately represented in type as / 7 5 ) but there is no indication of what the date refers to. As a point of interest there was an even older flat stone inscribed Gorg LESLY nearby. Maybe the marriage to Christina MCPHERSON was George LESLIE’s second marriage. Maybe he first married Helen MCLEOD who bore him no children. She died or they parted, and he then married Christina MCPHERSON in his later years. The other possibility, which would tidy up the generation times, is that there is an extra generation not recorded in the Golspie records. George LESLIE born 1754 could have had a son (named George) in the 1770s who married Christina in 1796. I have found no hard documentary evidence to support either possibility. The only incidental evidence I can find is that in Margaret Wilson Grant’s book “Golpsie’s Story” the list of Golspie parish men liable for military service in 1810 does not include George LESLIE. Eligibility for this list depends on being aged between 18 and 45 years. If George had been born in 1754 then he would indeed have been too old. If there were an additional generation in the 1770s then that George would have been eligible. I would be interested to know what Sheryl’s sources are, and whether anyone can help help to confirm this period of the LESLIE family. Aside from all that, my own research indicates that George LESLIE b. 30-4-1754 was the son of another George LESLIE of Golspie. No spouse is given for the elder George, but Golspie records show the birth of the following other children to George LESLIE (spouse unnamed) at this time: George b. 21-12-1740 Donald b. 15-5-1743 Florence b. 26-7-1745 John b. 24-7-1748 According to Margaret Wilson Grant’s book “Golpsie’s Story” the list of seat holders in Golspie Kirk in 1752 contains only one LESLIE: George LESLIE, tenant of Backies, so I suspect that all of the above children were siblings of George LESLIE born 1754. Well that’s about all I have for now. Any comments or further info would be very welcome. 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Hi list You may have been thinking that I have been pretty quiet on this list recently – peaceful for you all! We have been really busy working on new pages for Highland Hearts and are now able to announce that you can view the EMIGRATION LISTS of the tenants from the properties owned by the Countess of Sutherland who left the county during the years 1829-1831. We have also created an addendum with further information on those families we know about. If you can add to the information already available then please let me know and we will be happy to include it. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01

Pretty good for a list that is only a few months old. Might be a good time to ask again if you have not yet been succesful in finding your lost ancestors! Me, I am always looking for someone! Right now I am trying to sort out all the Macdonalds of Rogart! Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01

Chiristine says ask again, so here goes: I am interested in finding out about my ancestors from an area near Lairg, called Cloenel. I have my gggg Grandfathers line directly to me. I don't have much information on 'sisters, cousins, and aunts', etc. It would also be interesting to find info regarding the family before they left Scotland in 1818, such as Donald's first wife, Jane's family. Any help would be appreciated. My direct line is in bold. Donald Sutherland b. Cloenel, Creich Parish, Sutherlandshire, Scotland, 1767 d. 1841, Lansdowne, N.S., married Jane Ross(1st) and Janet(Jessie) MacKay(2nd). Children by Jane Ross: Christie b. 1796 m. John Fraser, Piper(3 sons Simon, Daniel, William); James b. 1798 Children by Janet MacKay: William b. 1803, Jane b. 1802, Donald b. 1800, John Hugh b.1812, Roderick b. 1815. James Sutherland b. 1798, Cloenel, Sutherlandshire, Scotland, married Ann Gordon. Children: Robert b. 1831; James b. 1833, d. 1912, m. Ella Siddall, Bair Verte, NB; Donald b. 1834 (died in Foord Pit Mine Explosion in 1880); Catherine, b. 1836, d. 1921, m. David Pierce, Stewaicke; Jane, b. 1838, d. 1907, m. Hugh Holmes, River John, NS; Isabella, b. 1841, d. 1889; Thomas, b. 1845, d. 1941, m. sara Dorman (1st) and Annie Caldwell(2nd). Robert Sutherland b. 1831, New Lairg, NS d. 1911, Windsor, Hants Co., married Elizabeth Brown. Children: Avon b. 1863; James Stanley b. 10 Dec. 1865; George b. 1867; Annie b. 1869; Mary J. b. 1872; Belle b. 1873. James Stanley Sutherland (b. 1865 Nova Scotia, d. 1926, Birmingham, Alabama) married Adrianna Long (b. 1867, Norwich, CT d. 1936, Birmingham, AL) Children: James Stanley b. 1888; Clyde Avon b. 1891; Francis Scott b. July 31, 1894; Robert Gordon b. 1896; Margaret b. 1899; Sydney Dunbar b. 1901; Helen Elizabeth b. 1909. Francis Scott Sutherland (b. July 31, 1894, NS, d. July 30, 1969, Birmingham, AL) married Bernice Dee Wyatt (b. ~1899, Kentucky, died ~1982, Birmingham, AL). Children: Barbara, married Cecil Giddens; Jane, married Robert A. Weeks; Frank Scott. Frank Scott Sutherland b. Feb. 6, 1930, Birmingham, AL, d. Sept. 18, 1986, married Gloria Sue Price b. July 8, 1929, Birmingham, AL, d. Jan. 25, 2000, Knoxville, TN Children: Francis Scott b. Oct. 20, 1958; Shelby b. May 16, 1960; Steven Price Sutherland (this is me) b. July 14, 1961; Cynthia (now Sydney) b. June 2, 1962. Thanks. Steve Sutherland Minneapolis, MN USA ICQ 6960598

Hi Elspeth I would be very interested to hear from you regarding the Grants of Dornoch. It is one of the branches connected with the Sutherland family that so far I have not had time to explore, albeit there are probably many representatives living around Dornoch at the present time. I look forward to hearing from you. Paul M Gray

I must have missed something - where is the picture? Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: EUDVARHELYI@cs.com [mailto:EUDVARHELYI@cs.com] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 12:37 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Frank Fiske's Birichen picture I don't know if it of any interest but Robert "Bob" Grant, often known as Captain Bob, of the Dornoch butchering family was a great friend of my father's and I knew him as I was growing up. This is recent history but if you need to know more, please contact me. Elspeth ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01

Quite a number of Polsons in Sutherland. Who are you looking for? Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: olen63 [mailto:olen63@netzero.net] Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 2:34 AM To: sct-sutherland-d-request@rootsweb.com Subject: polson any information on polson be fore 1760 NetZero Platinum No Banner Ads and Unlimited Access Sign Up Today - Only $9.95 per month! http://www.netzero.net --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01

I dont know that this is exactly from Sutherland but since it is the only Scottish list I am on I thought this might be worth posting Death notices of Ontario, British Colonist, Toronto 1841-1848 Year 1843 At Edinburgh, in her 82nd year Ann MacDonald, daughter of Colonel Donald Macdonald of the 84th Highland Emigrants and Brigadier General in North America

Hi Frank, I was very interested to read your note on the 'Birichen picture' of the Sutherland family. I am connected with this family, see *** below, and with the help of cousins have begun to assemble the family tree. As I have not personally verified all of the names given below I cannot be sure of 100% accuracy, but I hope it is fairly correct. I have marked with an * those individuals who seem to tie in with your picture. In addition I know that John Grant had a brother James; they were the progenitors of the famous Grants butchering business's of Dornoch and Golspie. I think Robbie's wife was known as Sena, but baptised as Angusina Forbes. If the 'grandmother' is Christina Fraser, David's wife, then would the G.Grandfather be Innes Sutherland. If it is he would be 100 years old in 1910! I know he was widowed and married a second time but I don't have his date of death yet. I have a very poor quality copy of a photo taken of this family on the occasion of the Golden Wedding of David Sutherland and Christina Fraser, 25th Dec. 1913. Most of the people in your photo are in it including a dog, plus Charlie Sutherland's four young sons. Having said all that, if your GGGrandfather, Alexander Sutherland married a Catherine Matheson, I'm wondering if this is not in fact your family after all?? If there are any other subscribers who have an interest in or a connection with this family I would be delighted to hear from you on pmgray@ntlworld.com THE SUTHERLAND FAMILY OF BIRICHEN, DORNOCH. A. James SUTHERLAND Farm grieve on Skelbo Child: (A). Alexander SUTHERLAND b. abt. 1761; d. abt. 1834 m. (29.12.1785) Marion Munro, b. in Birichen Children: 1. James 2. John 3. William 4. Angus 5. Janet 6. David 7. Ellen 8. Innes b. 27.Jul.1810, Dornoch; d. Birichen, Dornoch m. (2.Mar.1833) Charlotte MacKay Daur. of Alexander MacKay, Skelbo. Children: (1). Alexander; b. 15.12.1833 (2). Marion (3). Robert; b.23.7.1836 (4). Andrew; b.17.11. 1838 (5). David m. (25.Dec.1863) Christina Fraser (Rearquhar) Children: a. Isabella b. Innes c. John d. Alexander; b.27.1.1870 * 'The Joiner' m. Margaret Munro (Skye) e. Charles; b.17.7.1872; d. 5.9.1950, Lairg m. Annie Murray (Inchure, Rogart) f. Robert; b. 19.7.1874 * m. Angusina Forbes * g. David h. Margaret i. Andrew; The Minister.* m. Ann Fraser * j. John James Burgh; * Cabinet maker in Glasgow I have it that he died in New Zealand ? ** (6). Margaret; (My g.grandmother) m. Alexander Bain (7). Georgina (8). Ellen (9). Jessie * m. John Grant * ( This will be "Bingo's grandfather") (10) Charlotte; b.1.3.1856 (11). Elspet; b.10.8. 1858 (12). Euphemia (13). George

There is a Margaret Maclennan on the 1881 Census living with her parents in Cannich She was my G. Grandmother marrying Hugh Robertson in 1884 Perhaps this will help by removing one (in the nicest way) from your list of possibles Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: The Triggersons <the.triggersons@sympatico.ca> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: Re: MACLENNAN connection anyone? > Thank you Amanda for your quick response: > > > I have a Margaret McLennan who married a > > Charles McLean (possibly here in Australia) in 1866. > > I have two or three Margaret MACLENNAN's that we would have to work together to > isolate any likely link. > > >It is possible her middle name is Ord which initially I thought odd > > ORD is a place name (one on the Isle of Skye) and I have a record of some of > our MACLENNAN's living in the MUIR OF ORD (between Beauly & Dingwall) at the > time of the 1881 Census. > > I have lots of MACLEAN's - but no Charles. > BW > Brenda > > > > > if you find a Margaret, I'd love to hear. > > Good luck > > > > Amanda > > Brisbane, Australia > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Thankyou for this. Very interesting. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: The Triggersons [mailto:the.triggersons@sympatico.ca] Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2001 2:36 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Blairich Christine: You said: > Around 1841 George again left Sutherland settling in New Zealand where he became a leading sheep and cattle breeder and successful landowner naming his farm Blairich. Check out www.google.com and you get: From the Wairau to Okaramio John Cameron is the key figure in the family story as he is the father of Elizabeth (from whom the Dickson/Hammond family are descended), of John Cameron Jnr, and of Kate (from whom the Nees family section trace their maternal origin. He was born in Scotland in 1822 and grew up at the time of Highland history when sheep ruled the glens. John became a skilled shepherd, probably following his brother Donald into employment on the Lochiel estates and at "Blairich" in Sutherlandshire. There he became known as and trusted as a shepherd by the McRae family. A high-quality sheep flock had been established at Blarich (or Blairich) in the parish of Rogart, Sutherland by George McRae1 and it seems reasonable to presume (because of the proximity of the Clan McRae lands to Lochiel) that the laird made the best of this improvement programme. The young Cameron sheep-men may have been trained at Blarich, they were certainly known to the McRae family and Donald and John's expertise was respected.2 Duncan, much younger, probably visited his brothers and learnt about sheep first-hand but in addition he seems to be more experienced in village life, transport and machinery. AND Neil McKAY, his father and brothers had been victims of early highland clearances and had been removed from 'Atnacalli', in the Strathmore, around 1810, and settled in Rogart. Marion was said to be of the 'Blairich McDonalds', the same family as that of Sir John A. McDONALD BW Brenda ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01