Robin I have information o K713 GEORGE MACKAY married ISABELLA GRAY [1764-24/5/1834] [c1776-27/5/1860] George of Craigyaclishie?, Rogart, and (Isobel/Bell) in Evelicks, Dornoch, married in Dornoch on 16 February 1793 (OPR). Isabella is the daughter of Alexander Gray and Mary Ross (DC). George and Bell had the following children born in Dornoch (IGI/OPR): PETER, born 30 October 1796 Rearchar [died 8 June 1844 Rogart - note there is an error on this families gravestone regarding Peter's age]; MARY or Margaret, born 31 January 1802 Pronsy; ELIZABETH (Betty), born 29 May 1804 Pronsy - see note below; ROBERT, born 29 May 1806 Pronsy; JANE, born 5 February 1809 Pronsy [married Donald Mackenzie - see Mackenzie Families E227] (OPR/MC); THOMAS, born 6 February 1812 Pronsy [died 11 July 1867 Inchomnie, Rogart] [married Catherine Mackay - see K1544] (DC); WILLIAM, born 14 May 1815 Balvraid; MARY, born 5 October 1818 Skelbo [died 21 January 1902 Rhilochan, Rogart] [married William Mackay - see K1705] (DC). George Mackay died in 1834 and is buried in Rogart. In 1841 at Coul, Rogart, Isabella Mackay, widow, was a tenant, living with her children, Peter, Jane, Thomas and Mary. There seems to have also been two grandchildren in the home, George and Isabella Mackay, aged 10 years and 5 years. In 1851, still at Coul, the house was referred to as I. Gray's House. Isabella, now aged 63 years, had nine acres of land. Her children, Jane, Thomas and Mary, all unmarried, were with her. There was also a granddaughter, Annabella Macdonald, age 7, born in Dornoch, with them. Isabella died at Inchomnie in 1860, a tenant and a widow. Her son in law, Donald Mackenzie, signed the death certificate as the informant. Notes: The granddaughter, Annabella Macdonald, mentioned above, may be the daughter of Alexander Macdonald and Elizabeth Mackay, who had the only child of this name born at that time. However, the census states she was born in Dornoch, so difficult to prove this is her. Alexander Macdonald and Elizabeth Mackay had the following children (MACDONALD) born in Rogart (IGI): Margaret, born 7 November 1825; Isabel, born 28 June 1827; John, born 3 June 1829; George, born 18 July 1831; Robert, born 14 November 1833; Janet, born 24 June 1836; Norman, born 24 June 1836; Thomas, born 23 January 1839; Annabella, born 30 June 1841. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Robin Van Belleghem [mailto:rvanb2001@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 6:05 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Helping a Friend Hi Everyone A friend has asked me if I could put his family surmames on the Sutherland list, so here it is. Thomas Gibson b. around 1780 m. 8 Jul 1820 d. 27 Aug 1841 dp. Evelixmuir, Dornoch, Sutherland, Scotland[this is the same Thomas Gibson from my list] wife of Thomas Isabella McKAY b. Circa 1793 bp. Dornoch Parish, Sutherland, Scotland d. 4 Oct 1873 dp. Cawmore, Dornoch, Sutherland, Scotland parents of Isabella James McKAY and Isabella ROSS b. bp. d. 16 Jan 1825 dp. Evelix, Dornoch, Sutherlandshire, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------- Hugh GIBSON b. 7 Dec 1829 bp. Evelix, Dornoch, Sutherland, Scotland m. 19 Dec 1852 d. 14 Mar 1911 dp. Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland[son of Thomas Gibson] wife of Hugh Margaret McDONALD b. 1 Nov 1825 bp. Knockarthur, Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland d. 21 Dec 1906 dp. Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland parents of Margaret Alexander McDONALD b. Circa 1797 bp. Rogart Parish, Sutherlandshire, Scotland m. d. 10 Sep 1871 dp. Knockarthur, Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland and Elizabeth (Betsy, Betty) McKAY b. bp. d. 4 Jul 1866 dp. Knockarthur, Rogart, Sutherlandshire, Scotland parents of Alexander Norman McDONALD b. bp. m. 13 Dec 1774 d. dp. and Janet GUNN b. bp. d. dp. parents of Elizabeth McKay George McKAY b. bp. m. 16 Feb 1793 d. dp. and Isabel GRAY b. bp. d. dp. If anyone knows anything about these families, please contact me a rvanb2001@yahoo.co.uk Thank you Robin ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01

Ian All James Hunters books are worth reading. He has written many books on Highland history and was once a chair of board for Highlands and Islands enterprise. One I am reading now is Last of the free (A Millennial History of the highlands and Islands) isbn 1-84018-029-3 however this will not help for any research. I purchased my books in Inverness so I can not offer help on that front. All books can be purchased at Amazon ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Morrison" <ianmorrison@msn.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 3:49 PM Subject: Interesting Book > I just finished reading a non-fiction book which I feel would be of interest to people of Highland ancestry, particularly those now living in North America. The title is " A DANCE CALLED AMERICA" by James Hunter ; ISBN 1 85158 639 3 > > It is an account of the part that emigrants from the Scottish Highlands played in developing North America, as soldiers, explorers, fur traders, pioneer settlers , lumberjacks, and railroad builders. > > > Included in the areas covered are North Carolina, Nova Scotia,Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, > Alberta, B.C. and Washington State: Highland clearances, including those from Sutherland/Kildonan and the Earl of Selkirk's scheme are dealt with in some detail and many names are mentioned. > > The book was lent to me by a friend. It is not in my local library but I think it is worthwhile checking to see whether it is in yours. > > > Ian > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Hi Everyone A friend has asked me if I could put his family surmames on the Sutherland list, so here it is. Thomas Gibson b. around 1780 m. 8 Jul 1820 d. 27 Aug 1841 dp. Evelixmuir, Dornoch, Sutherland, Scotland[this is the same Thomas Gibson from my list] wife of Thomas Isabella McKAY b. Circa 1793 bp. Dornoch Parish, Sutherland, Scotland d. 4 Oct 1873 dp. Cawmore, Dornoch, Sutherland, Scotland parents of Isabella James McKAY and Isabella ROSS b. bp. d. 16 Jan 1825 dp. Evelix, Dornoch, Sutherlandshire, Scotland ------------------------------------------------------- Hugh GIBSON b. 7 Dec 1829 bp. Evelix, Dornoch, Sutherland, Scotland m. 19 Dec 1852 d. 14 Mar 1911 dp. Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland[son of Thomas Gibson] wife of Hugh Margaret McDONALD b. 1 Nov 1825 bp. Knockarthur, Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland d. 21 Dec 1906 dp. Golspie, Sutherland, Scotland parents of Margaret Alexander McDONALD b. Circa 1797 bp. Rogart Parish, Sutherlandshire, Scotland m. d. 10 Sep 1871 dp. Knockarthur, Rogart, Sutherland, Scotland and Elizabeth (Betsy, Betty) McKAY b. bp. d. 4 Jul 1866 dp. Knockarthur, Rogart, Sutherlandshire, Scotland parents of Alexander Norman McDONALD b. bp. m. 13 Dec 1774 d. dp. and Janet GUNN b. bp. d. dp. parents of Elizabeth McKay George McKAY b. bp. m. 16 Feb 1793 d. dp. and Isabel GRAY b. bp. d. dp. If anyone knows anything about these families, please contact me a rvanb2001@yahoo.co.uk Thank you Robin ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

Hi Taken me a while but I think I have found the birth of the James Munro who became Premier of Victoria, Australia. He was christened in Dornoch on 13th January 1832, son of Hector Munro and Sarah Mann. His siblings were: Mary, born 17th November 1817; Hector, born 11th July 1819; Donald, born 3rd August 1821; William, born 16th May 1824 and Betsy, born 1833. Does anyone know if James Munro married and had children? Did he use Hector or Sarah for children's names? Like Lyndall would be lovely if someone could 'claim' him! Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Lyndall [mailto:lyfrah@goldweb.com.au] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:29 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Fw: [A.G.R. ] Fw: James Munro Premier Vic The following was posted to an Australian list and might well be of interest to someone here: | from Grolier Encyclopaedia under heading MUNRO | | James (1832-1908) Premier of Victoria, was born in a village in | Sutherlandshire, Scotland on 7.1.1832. At the age of 16 he obtained | employment as a printer and he followed the same trade after | emigrating to Melbourne in 1858. Seven years later he founded the | Victorian Permanent Building Society of which he was manager for 17 | years. | In 1874 he was elected to represent North Melbourne in the Leg. | Assembly, and in the next year briefly held the office as Minister of | Public Instruction. Subsequently he founded two banks and in the boom | year of 1888 he was reputed to have been a millionaire. In 1890 he | visited England and raised a large amount of capital for is various | companies. On the strength of his reputation as a financier he ousted | the GILLES Gov. and in November 1890 he became Premier and Treasurer. | Two years later he resigned to become Agent-General for Victoria in | London. As a result of the banking crisis he was recalled in 1893, | and replaced by GILLES. Of his varied foundations, only the Victorian | Permanent Building Society survived the crises. He found himself | financially ruined and retired from public life. | Munro rep. Victoria at the Federal Convention of 1891, but otherwise | did not take a leading part in the Federation campaign. He always | showed interest in the temperance movement and was a force in the | Caledonian Society of Melbourne, of which he was president in 1884 and | 1886-7. He died on 25th Feb. 1908. He married in 1853 Jane | Macdonald, and had a family of four sons and three daughters. | | VICTORIAN MINISTRIES | No. 24 - J. MUNRO 5th Nov. 1890 to 16th Feb 1892. | and from another posting on the same subject: > the Victorian Govt "The Story of the Century 1851-1951" edited by > E.A. Doyle > and in appendix II > > James Munro 5th Nov 1890 to 16 Feb 1892. > > In a chapter on "The rise of labour" page 194, James Munro is mentioned and > there is a portrait of him on the same page > "It is noteworthy that Mr James Munro, leader of the Opposition in the > Legislative Assembly, early in 1890, and ambitious for office, was avowedly > sympathetic to industrial unionism." > > > > if you can get "Victoria A History" by Don Garden where there are several > references to Munro, eg > " Munro was a Scottish-born Presbyterian, a temperance advocate and > sabbatarian wowser. He was also one of the largest land boomers, numbering > among his companies the Federal Bank, the Federal Building Society..." > > With that description,you will need to look at the daring "Land Boomers" by > Michael Cannon, where Munro has many page references. > ..................................... ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01

I am chasing information about Murdoch Mackay who was born about 17770 in Reay or Farr. I understand he married Barbara Gordon in the same district in 1795. They had at least one child, James who was born in 1800. James moved to Latheron after the clearances. Anyone information would be greatly appreciated. David Mackay Australia

Hi Isabella You are absolutely correct! From the book: "Life the first brigade of Selkirk Settlers, whose story this is, the author came from Sutherland, Scotland. The pen-name, Wemyss Cavaick, has more authenticity than most non de plumes, for at his birthplace the young lad who became a prominent businessman, after he had arranged his own migration to the New World, wa commonly identified in just that way. He was thus distinguished from others of his clan through identity with Cavaick, where he was born. The autor's great grandfather, when a boy of ten, witnessed the Battle of Culloden Moor. There was nurtured in Wemyss Cavaick a life long interest in that part of Scotland's history that relates to the travels of the dispossessed when Scottish independence fell. " It does not give his correct name but I think you have guessed correct. His great grandfather who witnessed Culloden was Duncan Grant. He was sheltered and given a home with Murdoch Mackay at Blackwater Falls which is close to the Brora river according to the book - I am uncertain whether or not he used the correct names in his story. Christine Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Isabella McGregor [mailto:isabella@mcgregori.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 10:33 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Interesting Book Hi Christine, Do you know if Wemmys Cavaick is a pen name for the author of "UPROOTED HEATHER" There is maybe no connection here at all, but just the other week I was working on an outside limb of my family tree, the family of Angus Sutherland/Helen McKenzie, they had 7 sons and 1 daughter(the daughter is in my tree), now their youngest son was christened 11th Feb. 1809 Wemmys Erskine Sutherland, they lived at Cavaik, (Cavaik is roughly between Brochrobie and Badnellan in Clyne) I have no more info. on him but I believe some of the family went to Canada. There may be many places called Caviak, but I just thought I would mention it, there might be an outside chance of a connection. Isabella. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:35 AM Subject: RE: Interesting Book > Ian, I will certainly be looking for that book. > I have just read a book which is also worth telling you about: > "UPROOTED HEATHER" A Story of the Selkirk Settlers by Wemyss Cavaick. > Unfortunately this book does not have an ISBN but was published by the > Mitchell Press Limited, Vancouver, Canada, in 1967. How I wish I could send > each and every one of you a copy of this wonderful book. > Thanks to a friend in Canada a copy arrived for me yesterday. Returning > from the office last night I picked it up and looked at the first couple of > pages - I went to bed at 2am having not once put the book down! > When time allows I will post a few interesting pages for general reading. > > Christine > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Morrison [mailto:ianmorrison@msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 4:49 AM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Interesting Book > > I just finished reading a non-fiction book which I feel would be of interest > to people of Highland ancestry, particularly those now living in North > America. The title is " A DANCE CALLED AMERICA" by James Hunter ; ISBN 1 > 85158 639 3 > > It is an account of the part that emigrants from the Scottish Highlands > played in developing North America, as soldiers, explorers, fur traders, > pioneer settlers , lumberjacks, and railroad builders. > > > Included in the areas covered are North Carolina, Nova Scotia,Quebec, > Ontario, Manitoba, > Alberta, B.C. and Washington State: Highland clearances, including those > from Sutherland/Kildonan and the Earl of Selkirk's scheme are dealt with in > some detail and many names are mentioned. > > The book was lent to me by a friend. It is not in my local library but I > think it is worthwhile checking to see whether it is in yours. > > > Ian > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. 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Hi Christine, Do you know if Wemmys Cavaick is a pen name for the author of "UPROOTED HEATHER" There is maybe no connection here at all, but just the other week I was working on an outside limb of my family tree, the family of Angus Sutherland/Helen McKenzie, they had 7 sons and 1 daughter(the daughter is in my tree), now their youngest son was christened 11th Feb. 1809 Wemmys Erskine Sutherland, they lived at Cavaik, (Cavaik is roughly between Brochrobie and Badnellan in Clyne) I have no more info. on him but I believe some of the family went to Canada. There may be many places called Caviak, but I just thought I would mention it, there might be an outside chance of a connection. Isabella. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 7:35 AM Subject: RE: Interesting Book > Ian, I will certainly be looking for that book. > I have just read a book which is also worth telling you about: > "UPROOTED HEATHER" A Story of the Selkirk Settlers by Wemyss Cavaick. > Unfortunately this book does not have an ISBN but was published by the > Mitchell Press Limited, Vancouver, Canada, in 1967. How I wish I could send > each and every one of you a copy of this wonderful book. > Thanks to a friend in Canada a copy arrived for me yesterday. Returning > from the office last night I picked it up and looked at the first couple of > pages - I went to bed at 2am having not once put the book down! > When time allows I will post a few interesting pages for general reading. > > Christine > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ian Morrison [mailto:ianmorrison@msn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 4:49 AM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Interesting Book > > I just finished reading a non-fiction book which I feel would be of interest > to people of Highland ancestry, particularly those now living in North > America. The title is " A DANCE CALLED AMERICA" by James Hunter ; ISBN 1 > 85158 639 3 > > It is an account of the part that emigrants from the Scottish Highlands > played in developing North America, as soldiers, explorers, fur traders, > pioneer settlers , lumberjacks, and railroad builders. > > > Included in the areas covered are North Carolina, Nova Scotia,Quebec, > Ontario, Manitoba, > Alberta, B.C. and Washington State: Highland clearances, including those > from Sutherland/Kildonan and the Earl of Selkirk's scheme are dealt with in > some detail and many names are mentioned. > > The book was lent to me by a friend. It is not in my local library but I > think it is worthwhile checking to see whether it is in yours. > > > Ian > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You > can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

With all the recent flurry of stuff about books I have just been inspitred to dig out another James Hunter - "Glencoe and the Indians". I really enjoyed it. The blurb says 'A real life family saga which spans two continents, several centuries and more than thirty generations to link Scotland's clans with the native peoples of the American West.' ISBN 1-84018-001-3, published by Mainstream Publishing, Edinburgh & London, 1996. Some of you might be interested in it. Iain Murray from Inverness.

Ian, I will certainly be looking for that book. I have just read a book which is also worth telling you about: "UPROOTED HEATHER" A Story of the Selkirk Settlers by Wemyss Cavaick. Unfortunately this book does not have an ISBN but was published by the Mitchell Press Limited, Vancouver, Canada, in 1967. How I wish I could send each and every one of you a copy of this wonderful book. Thanks to a friend in Canada a copy arrived for me yesterday. Returning from the office last night I picked it up and looked at the first couple of pages - I went to bed at 2am having not once put the book down! When time allows I will post a few interesting pages for general reading. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Ian Morrison [mailto:ianmorrison@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 4:49 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Interesting Book I just finished reading a non-fiction book which I feel would be of interest to people of Highland ancestry, particularly those now living in North America. The title is " A DANCE CALLED AMERICA" by James Hunter ; ISBN 1 85158 639 3 It is an account of the part that emigrants from the Scottish Highlands played in developing North America, as soldiers, explorers, fur traders, pioneer settlers , lumberjacks, and railroad builders. Included in the areas covered are North Carolina, Nova Scotia,Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, Alberta, B.C. and Washington State: Highland clearances, including those from Sutherland/Kildonan and the Earl of Selkirk's scheme are dealt with in some detail and many names are mentioned. The book was lent to me by a friend. It is not in my local library but I think it is worthwhile checking to see whether it is in yours. Ian ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01

I just finished reading a non-fiction book which I feel would be of interest to people of Highland ancestry, particularly those now living in North America. The title is " A DANCE CALLED AMERICA" by James Hunter ; ISBN 1 85158 639 3 It is an account of the part that emigrants from the Scottish Highlands played in developing North America, as soldiers, explorers, fur traders, pioneer settlers , lumberjacks, and railroad builders. Included in the areas covered are North Carolina, Nova Scotia,Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, Alberta, B.C. and Washington State: Highland clearances, including those from Sutherland/Kildonan and the Earl of Selkirk's scheme are dealt with in some detail and many names are mentioned. The book was lent to me by a friend. It is not in my local library but I think it is worthwhile checking to see whether it is in yours. Ian

The Presbyterian Church in Canada. Presbyterian History - A Newsletter of the Committee on History, Volume 25/No.2, October 1981. JOHN MATHESON OF AULTBREAKACHY by Phyllis Lindsay, Sidney BC. [synopsis] John Matheson was born in Aultbreakachy, Sutherlandshire, Scotland, in 1790. The Highland Clearances forced John Matheson, his widowed mother, sister Helen, brothers and other relatives off their farms, and over the years 1813-1815 the family gradually moved to Canada. The evicted Scots gathered at Helmsdale where they were transported by a small ship to Stromness in the Orkney Islands. In June 1813, they set sail in the ship "Prince of Wales" for Hudson Bay. Because of an outbreak of typhus fever, before reaching their destination, the captain unloaded the Scots on the shore of Hudson Bay, and returned to Scotland. Over the winter of 1813-14, the stranded Scots were forced to find means of surviving in the cold and the wilderness until the spring of 1814 when they set out on a 100 mile trek to York Factory. From there, they set out on the 700 mile trip to Red River, and arrived on the 21st of June 1814. On the 22nd of July 1814, John Matheson married Barbara Sutherland. In January 1815, John Matheson was appointed school teacher for the settlement. Because of increasing strife, many families decided to leave the settlement. In June 1815 approximately 140 persons set out for Upper Canada. Following the fur trade routes, the Scots made their way to Fort William, then along Lake Superior to Sault Ste Marie, proceeded along the northern part of Lake Huron and into Georgian Bay. They left the open water and followed the Nottawasaga River and Willow Creek, crossed the Nine-Mile Portage to Kempenfeldt Bay, passed along the shore of Lake Simcoe until they reached the Landing at the mo! uth of the Holland River. From there, they travelled to the Quaker settlement on Yonge Street (Newmarket) where they were taken in and given assistance. There were two men in the group from Sutherlandshire by the name of John Matheson. To distinguish between the two, John Matheson of Aulterbreakachy was named "Red" John, and John Matheson of Borobal was named "Black" John. To further identify the two men, "Red" John was known as Junior, and "Black" John was known as Senior. "Red" John Matheson from Aulterbreakachy married Barbara Sutherland. "Black" John Matheson from Borobal married Mary Bannerman. John Matheson and Barbara Sutherland finally settled and farmed on the south half of Lot 7 in the 6th concession of West Gwillimbury. Township, Simcoe County. Their children were as follows: Hugh 1818, James 1820, John 1824, Angus 1826, Heman 1828. Barbara Sutherland's father, James Sutherland, left Scotland for Red River in 1815. He was sent by the Church of Scotland as a catechist to minister to the Scots until an ordained minister could be sent. He eventually followed John and Barbara to West Gwillimbury and helped to organize a congregation there in 1822. In addition to clearing his land, John Matheson became a leading figure in establishing the church in West Gwillimbury and conducted a Sabbath School. In 1838, their son, Hugh Matheson married Susan Lloyd, daughter of Jesse Lloyd of King Township, York County. She was a Quaker whose family had come from Pennsylvania in the early 1800s. In 1840, John Matheson, his wife Barbara, and sons James, John, and Heman, moved from West Gwillimbury to Zorra in Oxford County. Here they once again began clearing land and establishing a farm, all living together in a log house. Their son, John soon married, and his wife Ann _ joined the household. In 1853, John and Barbara decided to leave Zorra and move to Inverhuron to join their son Hugh and his family. As he had done previously in West Gwillimbury and Zorra, John Matheson was active in church life and was instrumental in establishing a Presbyterian Church in Tiverton. John Matheson died at Inverhuron in 27th September 1866. After a fire at Inverhuron in 1882, most of the Matheson family left that place and went to settle in Manitoba where John Matheson had first taken up land in 1814. Hugh Matheson, died in 1883 in Kildonan, Manitoba. Hugh's son, Jesse, died there in 1907.

Just a quick thankyou to Sandra for a fascinating tale. Enjoyed it. Is this your family Sandra? Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01

I'm still laughing ... Carolyn

Trying to catch up with my huge pile of mail today. I have looked at everything I have and find no reference to Bryson-Gunn. Sorry Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: The Triggersons [mailto:the.triggersons@sympatico.ca] Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:33 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: BRYSON-GUNN Hi Christine, I have noticed that there appear to have been a number of GUNNs in the Sutherland area and that you have a GUNN connection. In your searches, have you ever come across a BRYSON-GUNN? The chap I am looking for would have been born around 1880 and by the 1930s was a G.P. practising in Manchester, England. I don't know his first name. BW Brenda the.triggersons@sympatico.ca Researching: MACLENNAN, MACKAY, MACLEAN, MACRAE, MUNRO, MATHESON, HOSSACK & MACKENZIE all in the Highlands. ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01

A spider wearing football boots - I love it - will keep me smiling all day! Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:Sethomas@btinternet.com] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 9:19 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: MACKENZIE/SUTHERLAND/MUNRO/MURRAY Carolyn Hope you don't mind if I answer via the list, where there are people more familiar with Sutherland birth records. The obvious explanation to me is that there were a lot of John Munros living in the area, and that they (or their fathers) would be known by their occupation (or their appearance or their parentage or their farm name) in order to distinguish one from the other. This is still the custom here in Wales, in the rural parts, where almost everyone in an area may have the surname Jones and many may have the first name Dai. 'Breabadair' really means 'kicker' and refers to the use of the foot loom with treadles. (In Lewis, at least, it's also the name of the spider, the full name being 'breabadair-ladhrach', or 'pronged / clawed weaver' --- or you could picture a spider wearing football boots?) (Sorry, Christine --- I'm at it again!) Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: <CP8354849@aol.com> To: <sethomas@btinternet.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 5:04 AM Subject: Re: MACKENZIE/SUTHERLAND/MUNRO/MURRAY > Hi Sara, > Thanks for the information. Do you have any ideas as to why they would list > it on his birth record? It was taken from the GRO and read John Munro or > Brebedar, I am sure the spelling you gave must be correct. > Carolyn > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 5/17/01

Glad to have helped. My computer tells me we are 4th cousins once removed. Isabella. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dario Leslie" <darioleslie@hotmail.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: Re: Benjamin Leslie, Rhidorrach. > Isabella > > thanks for your replies to my post. Sorry for the delay in response - > technical difficulties! > > You've probably seen by now that Malcolm thinks the murder was unlikely, but > Benjamin's death has always fascinated me because of the family legend about > murder so I was intrigued to read the newspaper report of his death. I found > it very poignant. Thanks so much for posting it. > > Thanks also for all the extra information on the Murrays. Some of it I had > already, but I think I shall find some extra in what you posted. We are > obviously distant cousins. For your information, Bertha Leslie born > 22/11/1913 was my grandmother. > > Cheers > > Dario > > >From: "Isabella McGregor" <isabella@mcgregori.fsnet.co.uk> > >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: Benjamin Leslie, Rhidorrach. > >Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 19:53:09 +0100 > > > > > >Hi Dario, > > > >That was very interesting about Benjamin Leslie's death. I had presumed > >he died from exposure, but did think it was strange that there was no > >mention of severe weather in the report, althought it was the end of Jan. > >Here is the report from The Inverness Advertiser Tues. 1st Feb. 1870. > > > >Ullapool, Jan. 28th. > >A very melancholy death occured in the neighbourhood this week. > >Benjamin Leslie, a servant in the employment of his Grace the Duke of > >Sutherland at Rhidorrach, left home on Tuesday morning with his > >sister-in-law > >for Oikel to overtake the mail gig, intending to return the same evening. > >As he did not return as expected, his wife naturally got alarmed, and early > >on Wednesday sent a messenger off to Oikel. The messenger returned in the > >evening with the information that Leslie had called at a shepherd's house > >the > >previous evening, and after partaking of some refreshments left for home. > >Accordingly the neighbours commenced a search at moonrise, which they > >continued till daybreak on Thursday, when his dead body was found about a > >mile and a half from his own house. Deceased was a quiet, inoffensive man, > >and much respected by all who knew him. He was about thirty-seven years > >of age.Much sympathy is felt for the bereaved widow, who is left with the > >charge of a young family. > > > >Here is some info. on Benjamin's children, and where I fit into it. > > > >My G G G Grandparents > >Andrew Murray b.c. 1770 / Christy Bruce b.c. 1770 > >Their son James Murray (my G G Grandfather) b.c. 1797 married Ann Gunn b. > >11-8-1798 > >Their daughter Louisa Murray b. 28-10-1836 m. Benjamin Leslie b. 8-11-1832 > >Their children:- > >(1) Christina b. 26-8-1862 died 7-10-1895 married William Murray b. > >22-2-1859died 12-12-1944 > >He was the son of John Murray/Helen Gordon > >Christina and William married in Clyne 5-12-1890 > >Their children:- > >Hellen b. 28-11-1892 in Inverness > >Andrew b. 9-7-1894 in Dornoch > >After Christina's death William married 22-12-1899 Margaret Ross in Tain. > > > >(2) Andrew b. 5-5-1864 died 20-2-1892(single) at 13 Brunsfield Place, > >Edinburgh. > > > >(3) George b. 24-2-1867 married 3-1-1890 in Dundee, Margaret Wilson > >daughter of > >James Wilson and Margaret Nicolson. > >Their ch. > >Louisa b. 9-4-1890 in Golspie > >She is the only one I have found so far. > > > >(4) Benjamin b. 2-3-1870 died 26-12-1927 married 27-9-1899 Margaret Lyall > >Murray b.18-9-1877 > >died 21-2-1968 daughter of James Murray/Elizabeth Jack > >Their children:- > >Christina b. 11-10-1901 died 16-10-1901 > >Christina b. 22-4-1903 > >James Murray b. 24-5-1904 > >Andrew Murray b. 11-9-1906 > >Elizabeth Jack b. 10-9-1906 > >Louisa b. 8-7-1910 > >Edith Lyall b. 27-9-1911 > >Bertha b 22-11-1913 > >Margaret Murray b. 23-5-1916 > > > >Hope some of this is useful. Louisa's older sister Jane b,1-4-1826 is my > >line . > >Isabella. > > > > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > >You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You > >can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > >============================== > >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 > >Source for Family History Online. Go to: > >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > >

Dario you are most welcome. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Dario Leslie [mailto:darioleslie@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, June 10, 2001 9:53 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: LESLIEs of Backies (and Rhidorroch) Christine thanks for your reply. As it's taken so much time for me to figure out how to reply back, you've probably seen that Malcolm thinks the murder is pretty unlikely. Oh well! I may well take your advice and try the police just out of interest, anyway. Thanks also for all the info on the Murrays. I think there is some useful stuff in there for me. Cheers Dario >From: "Christine Stokes" <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: LESLIEs of Backies (and Rhidorroch) >Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 07:27:56 +0100 > >Hello Dario and welcome to the list >Your first posting was most interesting and I am intrigued by your >suggestion of murder! >I have been researching families in Sutherland for many years and it has >always struck me as strange the number of people who apparently died >without >reason - I have instances of death certificates which contain as the reason >for death "unknown". Folks would never get away with it nowadays. > >Malcolm is in Sutherland right now but I think he is due back soon. No >doubt he will contact you with his sources. I wonder if it would be >worthwhile trying to find a police record of this event - possibly in the >Highland Archives at Inverness? I contacted the Police Archives at Dundee >while searching for information on one of my Murray family and the help >they >gave was first class. Even told me what my man was wearing on the day! > >I have quite a bit of information in my "Murray Families of Sutherland" >relating to Benjamin Leslie and his marriage into the Murrays. I post it >here for interest. > >5-012 LOUISA MURRAY married BENJAMIN LESLIE > [28/10/1836-18/5/1921] [8/11/1832-25/1/1870] >Louisa was born at East Brora, daughter of James Murray and Ann Gunn - see >4-008. Benjamin is the son of George Leslie and Christina Munro. Louisa and >Benjamin married on 8 November 1861 in Clyne (IGI). They had the following >children (LESLIE): Christina, born 26 August 1862 Ridorrach Lodge, Loch >Broom [married William Murray - see 6-119A] (GY); Andrew Murray, born 5 >April 1864 Ridorrach Lodge [died 20 February 1892 at 13 Bruntsfield Place, >Edinburgh - bachelor, assistant warehouseman - death certificate signed by >aunt Hughina Murray] (GY); George, born 24 February 1867 Ridorrach Lodge >[married Margaret Wilson in 1890 Dundee - had daughter Louisa born 1890 in >Golspie (BC)] (MC) and Benjamin, born circa 1870 [married Margaret Lyall >Murray - see 5-032A]. Benjamin Leslie was a servant to the Duke of >Sutherland. He moved from Dunrobin to look after Rhidooroch Lodge in >Lochbroom around 1861. Rhidooroch was on the Cromartie estate which at that >period was amalgamated with th Sutherland estate through the marriage of >the >Duke to the Mackenzie heiress. Benjamin's death ws reported in the >Newspapers (Inverness Advertiser 1 February 1870). He died aged about 37 >when walking back through the hills from Strath Oykel. The body was found >about one and a half miles from his house. He probably died of exposure. >His son Benjamin was born soon after. In 1891 Louisa was in East Brora >where she was a Boarding House Keeper. Louisa died in Brora. Benjamin >senior had died at Rhidarroch, Ullapool. They are buried in Golspie >(GY268/30). > >4-008 JAMES MURRAY married ANN GUNN > [1783-12/2/1888] [11/8/1798-4/11/1879] >James, a collier at Brochroby, Clyne, is the son of Andrew Murray and >Christy Bruce - see 1-128 (DC). Ann was born in Golspie, daughter of Hugh >Gunn and Jane McLeod (DC). James and Ann of Rogart married on 26 December >1820 in Clyne (SCR). The 1841 census shows them farming at East Brora. >They >had the following children, born in Brora (OPR): CHRISTIAN [Christy], born >11 October 1821[died 13 January 1903] [married Donald Baillie - see >2-057] >(NC41); ISABELLA, born circa 1823 [died 27 August 1919] [married William >Sutherland - see 3-192] (NC41); JANE [Jean], born 1 April 1826 [died 13 >February 1904] [married Alexander McKay and Grant Murray - see 3-095] >(NC41); JANET [Jessie], born 2 February 1829 [died 11 September 1908 East >Brora - laundry maid and crofter - death certificate signed by her >grandnephew, Alexander Sutherland] (NC41/61); twins ANN 19 April 1831[died >3 >August 1903] [married Donald Gilchrist - see 1-184] (GY/NC41) and HUGH, >born >19 April 1831 [died 15 March 1833] (GY); twins ANDREW, born 26 February >1834 >[died 8 December 1858] (GY/NC41/51) and WILLIAMINA, born 26 February 1834 >[died 5 April 1919 East Brora, spinster, crofter - death certificate signed >by Andrew Murray, grandnephew] (NC41-61/DC); LOUISA [Lucy], born 28 October >1836 [died 18 May 1921] [married Benjamin Leslie - see 5-012] (NC41/51) and >HUGHINA, born 21 September 1843 [died 31 August 1932 East Brora, spinster, >retired housekeeper] (NC51/61). In 1851 the family were at North Brora >where James was described as a lotter. An Ann Murray, born 1831 in Clyne, >in >1851 as a house servant in the Grant home in Brora village. In 1861 the >family were in Brora with their daughter Williamina, spinster and domestic >servant. In 1871 the family included two grandchildren: Dorothy Sutherland, >17 years old and Williamina Gunn, aged 9 years. Williamina Gunn or Murray >was born in Clyne on 9 July 1861 the daughter of Williamina Murray and John >Gunn (IGI94). Young Williamina later married her cousin Alexander >Sutherland, son of her aunt Isabella. The 1881 census shows James crofting >at East Brora, aged 82 years. The five-roomed house was also home to his >daughter Janet, aged 54 years, a laundress; Williamina, housekeeper and >Williamina Gunn, grandaughter. Also with the family was James's great >grandson, Alexander Sutherland, aged three years. Hughina Murray was >working as a cook domestic servant in Edinburgh where she was recorded at >29 >Walker Street in 1881. James died in 1888 and was buried with his wife in >Clyne. In 1891 Janet was head of the household and a crofter. Her sister, >Williamina was a laundrymaid and Williamina Gunn and young Alexander >Sutherland continued to live on the croft (GY47/77). > >If you can add anything, or if you would like to see the further references >mentioned above please email me direct. >Best wishes > >Christine >Highland Hearts >http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dario Leslie [mailto:darioleslie@hotmail.com] >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 3:21 PM >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: SUT: LESLIEs of Backies (and Rhidorroch) > >This is my first post to the list. It is quite long and complicated. >Apologies for that and any lapses of etiquette. > >By way of introduction. My name is Dario LESLIE and as my surname suggests >I >have Scottish ancestors. I was born in London and still live in southern >England, but both my father and grandmother were LESLIEs brought up in >Brora >in Sutherland where the family home was. Unusually, the LESLIE surname was >passed down through the maternal line in the case of my grandmother who >reverted to her maiden name by deed poll when she was widowed at the age of >twenty-three. > >I have recently begun tracing my family history and so was delighted to >find >the thread on the LESLIE family of Backies in the Feb 2001 mailing list as >this clearly refers to my family. I thought I would post to share and seek >additional information. > >Taking Benjamin LESLIE first. Benjamin LESLIE was my great great >grandfather >and was born in Golspie in 1832 the son of George LESLIE of Backies. He >died >in Rhidorroch in 1870 and is buried in the graveyard of St Andrew's church >Golspie along with other LESLIEs (of which more later). > >Our family oral tradition regarding Benjamin is interesting: it says that >he >was a factor at Rhidorroch where he died not of natural causes, but murder. >Apparently he was shot by poachers. I was told this by my grandmother (his >granddaughter) Bertha. Although Bertha would not have known Benjamin, she >would have just known his wife Louisa who died when Bertha was seven. The >story must have been passed down from Louisa as she lived to be 85, dying >in >1921 in Brora (just a few miles from Golspie), and would have had plenty of >time to tell her children and grandchildren about Benjamin. > >In May 2001 I travelled to Brora with my family to inter Bertha's remains, >and stayed for a week during which I tried to verify the oral history of >the >family. Much of it was accurate, but I was unable to confirm the murder >tale. However, the Dingwall registrar considered Benjamin's death record to >be unusual as it was registered by the procurator fiscal, and his parent's >names are not recorded. The cause of death is given as apoplexy. These >records and the information in Malcolm Bangor-Jones' posts in February >leave >a little room in my mind to suspect that Benjamin's death may have been >unusual. I wonder if he may have been shot at and was either injured or >just shocked enough to die subsequently. I have also wondered if there are >any reasons why the murder might have been hushed up. > >I would welcome any comments and additional information. I would be >interested to know if Malcolm Bangor-Jones has found any other information >about Benjamin since his post in February, and would be grateful if he >could >tell me how I can get copies of the sources he cites in that post. I would >also be grateful if Isabella McGregor can post any additional information >on >Benjamin's children. My own line, which I know quite well, runs through his >posthumous son Benjamin. > >Moving on to the other LESLIES of Backies. I was very interested in Sheryl >Sharp's family history - we are clearly very distant cousins both in terms >of relationship and geography! > >My own research confirms much of Sherl's history, but I have been unable to >conclusively demonstrate that George LESLIE born 1754 was the same George >LESLIE who married Christina MCPHERSON in 1796. My concern is that >generation times seem to be about 20 years back then rather than the 40 >plus >years in this case. > >The records from Golspie for this period seem to be very patchy and don't >help much. Furthermore, I am having trouble tying in the records for this >period with the stones in the local graveyard. > >In the graveyard of St Andrew's Church Golspie, I found a cluster of LESLIE >graves including a well preserved standing stone for Benjamin LESLIE of >Rhiddoroch fame, and another for George LESLIE born 1797, who was the son >of >George LESLIE and Christina MCPHERSON. There is no stone which can >obviously >be attributed to George LESLIE and Christina MCPHERSON. However, there is a >pair of older flat stones roughly ascribed to George LESLEY and Elen >MACLEOD. I note that there is a record of a Helen MCLEOD being born in >Golspie in 1756 and so I wonder whether she was the spouse of George born >1754, and that the paired flat stones are their graves. One of the flat >stones has a rough date inscription which could be 1751 but is more >accurately represented in type as / 7 5 ) but there is no indication of >what >the date refers to. As a point of interest there was an even older flat >stone inscribed Gorg LESLY nearby. > >Maybe the marriage to Christina MCPHERSON was George LESLIE's second >marriage. Maybe he first married Helen MCLEOD who bore him no children. She >died or they parted, and he then married Christina MCPHERSON in his later >years. The other possibility, which would tidy up the generation times, is >that there is an extra generation not recorded in the Golspie records. >George LESLIE born 1754 could have had a son (named George) in the 1770s >who >married Christina in 1796. > >I have found no hard documentary evidence to support either possibility. >The >only incidental evidence I can find is that in Margaret Wilson Grant's book >"Golpsie's Story" the list of Golspie parish men liable for military >service >in 1810 does not include George LESLIE. Eligibility for this list depends >on >being aged between 18 and 45 years. If George had been born in 1754 then he >would indeed have been too old. If there were an additional generation in >the 1770s then that George would have been eligible. > >I would be interested to know what Sheryl's sources are, and whether anyone >can help help to confirm this period of the LESLIE family. > >Aside from all that, my own research indicates that George LESLIE b. >30-4-1754 was the son of another George LESLIE of Golspie. No spouse is >given for the elder George, but Golspie records show the birth of the >following other children to George LESLIE (spouse unnamed) at this time: > >George b. 21-12-1740 >Donald b. 15-5-1743 >Florence b. 26-7-1745 >John b. 24-7-1748 > >According to Margaret Wilson Grant's book "Golpsie's Story" the list of >seat >holders in Golspie Kirk in 1752 contains only one LESLIE: George LESLIE, >tenant of Backies, so I suspect that all of the above children were >siblings >of George LESLIE born 1754. > >Well that's about all I have for now. 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Malcolm thanks for your response on this. I'm sure you are right given your experience in these matters. I have to say I'm disappointed as the family legend of Benjamin's murder was probably what got me going on the family history in the first place. Nevermind - such is life! And I'm hooked on the family history thing anyway now. Dario >From: Malcolm.Bangor-Jones@scotland.gsi.gov.uk >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: Benjamin Leslie, Rhidorrach. >Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 08:56:08 +0100 > >***************************************************************************** >This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely > for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. >***************************************************************************** > >Having thought about it, I find nothing unusual in Benjamin Leslie's death. >He may have had a heart attack but on balance I would put his death down to >exposure. Accidental deaths in the hills were by no means unusual - people >poorly clothed for bad weather, using routes without ready shelter, perhaps >not too well nourished and using alcohol to 'sustain' themselves (NB I am >not implying that the latter is relevant in this case). He was not a >factor, rather a household servant. If there was the slightest hint of >foul >play there would have been an investigation. Murders were properly >investigated. >Malcolm Bangor-Jones > > -----Original Message----- > From: Isabella McGregor >[mailto:isabella@mcgregori.fsnet.co.uk] > Sent: 02 June 2001 19:53 > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Benjamin Leslie, Rhidorrach. > > >******************************************************************* > This email has been received from an external party and > has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. > >******************************************************************* > > > Hi Dario, > > That was very interesting about Benjamin Leslie's death. I >had presumed > he died from exposure, but did think it was strange that >there was no > mention of severe weather in the report, althought it was >the end of Jan. > Here is the report from The Inverness Advertiser Tues. 1st >Feb. 1870. > > Ullapool, Jan. 28th. > A very melancholy death occured in the neighbourhood this >week. > Benjamin Leslie, a servant in the employment of his Grace >the Duke of > Sutherland at Rhidorrach, left home on Tuesday morning with >his sister-in-law > for Oikel to overtake the mail gig, intending to return the >same evening. > As he did not return as expected, his wife naturally got >alarmed, and early > on Wednesday sent a messenger off to Oikel. The messenger >returned in the > evening with the information that Leslie had called at a >shepherd's house the > previous evening, and after partaking of some refreshments >left for home. > Accordingly the neighbours commenced a search at moonrise, >which they > continued till daybreak on Thursday, when his dead body was >found about a > mile and a half from his own house. Deceased was a quiet, >inoffensive man, > and much respected by all who knew him. He was about >thirty-seven years > of age.Much sympathy is felt for the bereaved widow, who is >left with the > charge of a young family. > > Here is some info. on Benjamin's children, and where I fit >into it. > > My G G G Grandparents > Andrew Murray b.c. 1770 / Christy Bruce b.c. 1770 > Their son James Murray (my G G Grandfather) b.c. 1797 >married Ann Gunn b. 11-8-1798 > Their daughter Louisa Murray b. 28-10-1836 m. Benjamin >Leslie b. 8-11-1832 > Their children:- > (1) Christina b. 26-8-1862 died 7-10-1895 married William >Murray b. 22-2-1859died 12-12-1944 > He was the son of John Murray/Helen Gordon > Christina and William married in Clyne 5-12-1890 > Their children:- > Hellen b. 28-11-1892 in Inverness > Andrew b. 9-7-1894 in Dornoch > After Christina's death William married 22-12-1899 Margaret >Ross in Tain. > > (2) Andrew b. 5-5-1864 died 20-2-1892(single) at 13 >Brunsfield Place, Edinburgh. > > (3) George b. 24-2-1867 married 3-1-1890 in Dundee, Margaret >Wilson daughter of > James Wilson and Margaret Nicolson. > Their ch. > Louisa b. 9-4-1890 in Golspie > She is the only one I have found so far. > > (4) Benjamin b. 2-3-1870 died 26-12-1927 married 27-9-1899 >Margaret Lyall Murray b.18-9-1877 > died 21-2-1968 daughter of James Murray/Elizabeth Jack > Their children:- > Christina b. 11-10-1901 died 16-10-1901 > Christina b. 22-4-1903 > James Murray b. 24-5-1904 > Andrew Murray b. 11-9-1906 > Elizabeth Jack b. 10-9-1906 > Louisa b. 8-7-1910 > Edith Lyall b. 27-9-1911 > Bertha b 22-11-1913 > Margaret Murray b. 23-5-1916 > > Hope some of this is useful. 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Isabella thanks for your replies to my post. Sorry for the delay in response - technical difficulties! You've probably seen by now that Malcolm thinks the murder was unlikely, but Benjamin's death has always fascinated me because of the family legend about murder so I was intrigued to read the newspaper report of his death. I found it very poignant. Thanks so much for posting it. Thanks also for all the extra information on the Murrays. Some of it I had already, but I think I shall find some extra in what you posted. We are obviously distant cousins. For your information, Bertha Leslie born 22/11/1913 was my grandmother. Cheers Dario >From: "Isabella McGregor" <isabella@mcgregori.fsnet.co.uk> >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Benjamin Leslie, Rhidorrach. >Date: Sat, 2 Jun 2001 19:53:09 +0100 > > >Hi Dario, > >That was very interesting about Benjamin Leslie's death. I had presumed >he died from exposure, but did think it was strange that there was no >mention of severe weather in the report, althought it was the end of Jan. >Here is the report from The Inverness Advertiser Tues. 1st Feb. 1870. > >Ullapool, Jan. 28th. >A very melancholy death occured in the neighbourhood this week. >Benjamin Leslie, a servant in the employment of his Grace the Duke of >Sutherland at Rhidorrach, left home on Tuesday morning with his >sister-in-law >for Oikel to overtake the mail gig, intending to return the same evening. >As he did not return as expected, his wife naturally got alarmed, and early >on Wednesday sent a messenger off to Oikel. The messenger returned in the >evening with the information that Leslie had called at a shepherd's house >the >previous evening, and after partaking of some refreshments left for home. >Accordingly the neighbours commenced a search at moonrise, which they >continued till daybreak on Thursday, when his dead body was found about a >mile and a half from his own house. Deceased was a quiet, inoffensive man, >and much respected by all who knew him. He was about thirty-seven years >of age.Much sympathy is felt for the bereaved widow, who is left with the >charge of a young family. > >Here is some info. on Benjamin's children, and where I fit into it. > >My G G G Grandparents >Andrew Murray b.c. 1770 / Christy Bruce b.c. 1770 >Their son James Murray (my G G Grandfather) b.c. 1797 married Ann Gunn b. >11-8-1798 >Their daughter Louisa Murray b. 28-10-1836 m. Benjamin Leslie b. 8-11-1832 >Their children:- >(1) Christina b. 26-8-1862 died 7-10-1895 married William Murray b. >22-2-1859died 12-12-1944 >He was the son of John Murray/Helen Gordon >Christina and William married in Clyne 5-12-1890 >Their children:- >Hellen b. 28-11-1892 in Inverness >Andrew b. 9-7-1894 in Dornoch >After Christina's death William married 22-12-1899 Margaret Ross in Tain. > >(2) Andrew b. 5-5-1864 died 20-2-1892(single) at 13 Brunsfield Place, >Edinburgh. > >(3) George b. 24-2-1867 married 3-1-1890 in Dundee, Margaret Wilson >daughter of >James Wilson and Margaret Nicolson. >Their ch. >Louisa b. 9-4-1890 in Golspie >She is the only one I have found so far. > >(4) Benjamin b. 2-3-1870 died 26-12-1927 married 27-9-1899 Margaret Lyall >Murray b.18-9-1877 >died 21-2-1968 daughter of James Murray/Elizabeth Jack >Their children:- >Christina b. 11-10-1901 died 16-10-1901 >Christina b. 22-4-1903 >James Murray b. 24-5-1904 >Andrew Murray b. 11-9-1906 >Elizabeth Jack b. 10-9-1906 >Louisa b. 8-7-1910 >Edith Lyall b. 27-9-1911 >Bertha b 22-11-1913 >Margaret Murray b. 23-5-1916 > >Hope some of this is useful. Louisa's older sister Jane b,1-4-1826 is my >line . >Isabella. > > >==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== >You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You >can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > >============================== >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 >Source for Family History Online. Go to: >http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Christine thanks for your reply. As it's taken so much time for me to figure out how to reply back, you've probably seen that Malcolm thinks the murder is pretty unlikely. Oh well! I may well take your advice and try the police just out of interest, anyway. Thanks also for all the info on the Murrays. I think there is some useful stuff in there for me. Cheers Dario >From: "Christine Stokes" <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: LESLIEs of Backies (and Rhidorroch) >Date: Sun, 3 Jun 2001 07:27:56 +0100 > >Hello Dario and welcome to the list >Your first posting was most interesting and I am intrigued by your >suggestion of murder! >I have been researching families in Sutherland for many years and it has >always struck me as strange the number of people who apparently died >without >reason - I have instances of death certificates which contain as the reason >for death "unknown". Folks would never get away with it nowadays. > >Malcolm is in Sutherland right now but I think he is due back soon. No >doubt he will contact you with his sources. I wonder if it would be >worthwhile trying to find a police record of this event - possibly in the >Highland Archives at Inverness? I contacted the Police Archives at Dundee >while searching for information on one of my Murray family and the help >they >gave was first class. Even told me what my man was wearing on the day! > >I have quite a bit of information in my "Murray Families of Sutherland" >relating to Benjamin Leslie and his marriage into the Murrays. I post it >here for interest. > >5-012 LOUISA MURRAY married BENJAMIN LESLIE > [28/10/1836-18/5/1921] [8/11/1832-25/1/1870] >Louisa was born at East Brora, daughter of James Murray and Ann Gunn - see >4-008. Benjamin is the son of George Leslie and Christina Munro. Louisa and >Benjamin married on 8 November 1861 in Clyne (IGI). They had the following >children (LESLIE): Christina, born 26 August 1862 Ridorrach Lodge, Loch >Broom [married William Murray - see 6-119A] (GY); Andrew Murray, born 5 >April 1864 Ridorrach Lodge [died 20 February 1892 at 13 Bruntsfield Place, >Edinburgh - bachelor, assistant warehouseman - death certificate signed by >aunt Hughina Murray] (GY); George, born 24 February 1867 Ridorrach Lodge >[married Margaret Wilson in 1890 Dundee - had daughter Louisa born 1890 in >Golspie (BC)] (MC) and Benjamin, born circa 1870 [married Margaret Lyall >Murray - see 5-032A]. Benjamin Leslie was a servant to the Duke of >Sutherland. He moved from Dunrobin to look after Rhidooroch Lodge in >Lochbroom around 1861. Rhidooroch was on the Cromartie estate which at that >period was amalgamated with th Sutherland estate through the marriage of >the >Duke to the Mackenzie heiress. Benjamin's death ws reported in the >Newspapers (Inverness Advertiser 1 February 1870). He died aged about 37 >when walking back through the hills from Strath Oykel. The body was found >about one and a half miles from his house. He probably died of exposure. >His son Benjamin was born soon after. In 1891 Louisa was in East Brora >where she was a Boarding House Keeper. Louisa died in Brora. Benjamin >senior had died at Rhidarroch, Ullapool. They are buried in Golspie >(GY268/30). > >4-008 JAMES MURRAY married ANN GUNN > [1783-12/2/1888] [11/8/1798-4/11/1879] >James, a collier at Brochroby, Clyne, is the son of Andrew Murray and >Christy Bruce - see 1-128 (DC). Ann was born in Golspie, daughter of Hugh >Gunn and Jane McLeod (DC). James and Ann of Rogart married on 26 December >1820 in Clyne (SCR). The 1841 census shows them farming at East Brora. >They >had the following children, born in Brora (OPR): CHRISTIAN [Christy], born >11 October 1821[died 13 January 1903] [married Donald Baillie - see >2-057] >(NC41); ISABELLA, born circa 1823 [died 27 August 1919] [married William >Sutherland - see 3-192] (NC41); JANE [Jean], born 1 April 1826 [died 13 >February 1904] [married Alexander McKay and Grant Murray - see 3-095] >(NC41); JANET [Jessie], born 2 February 1829 [died 11 September 1908 East >Brora - laundry maid and crofter - death certificate signed by her >grandnephew, Alexander Sutherland] (NC41/61); twins ANN 19 April 1831[died >3 >August 1903] [married Donald Gilchrist - see 1-184] (GY/NC41) and HUGH, >born >19 April 1831 [died 15 March 1833] (GY); twins ANDREW, born 26 February >1834 >[died 8 December 1858] (GY/NC41/51) and WILLIAMINA, born 26 February 1834 >[died 5 April 1919 East Brora, spinster, crofter - death certificate signed >by Andrew Murray, grandnephew] (NC41-61/DC); LOUISA [Lucy], born 28 October >1836 [died 18 May 1921] [married Benjamin Leslie - see 5-012] (NC41/51) and >HUGHINA, born 21 September 1843 [died 31 August 1932 East Brora, spinster, >retired housekeeper] (NC51/61). In 1851 the family were at North Brora >where James was described as a lotter. An Ann Murray, born 1831 in Clyne, >in >1851 as a house servant in the Grant home in Brora village. In 1861 the >family were in Brora with their daughter Williamina, spinster and domestic >servant. In 1871 the family included two grandchildren: Dorothy Sutherland, >17 years old and Williamina Gunn, aged 9 years. Williamina Gunn or Murray >was born in Clyne on 9 July 1861 the daughter of Williamina Murray and John >Gunn (IGI94). Young Williamina later married her cousin Alexander >Sutherland, son of her aunt Isabella. The 1881 census shows James crofting >at East Brora, aged 82 years. The five-roomed house was also home to his >daughter Janet, aged 54 years, a laundress; Williamina, housekeeper and >Williamina Gunn, grandaughter. Also with the family was James's great >grandson, Alexander Sutherland, aged three years. Hughina Murray was >working as a cook domestic servant in Edinburgh where she was recorded at >29 >Walker Street in 1881. James died in 1888 and was buried with his wife in >Clyne. In 1891 Janet was head of the household and a crofter. Her sister, >Williamina was a laundrymaid and Williamina Gunn and young Alexander >Sutherland continued to live on the croft (GY47/77). > >If you can add anything, or if you would like to see the further references >mentioned above please email me direct. >Best wishes > >Christine >Highland Hearts >http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > >-----Original Message----- >From: Dario Leslie [mailto:darioleslie@hotmail.com] >Sent: Saturday, June 02, 2001 3:21 PM >To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: SUT: LESLIEs of Backies (and Rhidorroch) > >This is my first post to the list. It is quite long and complicated. >Apologies for that and any lapses of etiquette. > >By way of introduction. My name is Dario LESLIE and as my surname suggests >I >have Scottish ancestors. I was born in London and still live in southern >England, but both my father and grandmother were LESLIEs brought up in >Brora >in Sutherland where the family home was. Unusually, the LESLIE surname was >passed down through the maternal line in the case of my grandmother who >reverted to her maiden name by deed poll when she was widowed at the age of >twenty-three. > >I have recently begun tracing my family history and so was delighted to >find >the thread on the LESLIE family of Backies in the Feb 2001 mailing list as >this clearly refers to my family. I thought I would post to share and seek >additional information. > >Taking Benjamin LESLIE first. Benjamin LESLIE was my great great >grandfather >and was born in Golspie in 1832 the son of George LESLIE of Backies. He >died >in Rhidorroch in 1870 and is buried in the graveyard of St Andrew's church >Golspie along with other LESLIEs (of which more later). > >Our family oral tradition regarding Benjamin is interesting: it says that >he >was a factor at Rhidorroch where he died not of natural causes, but murder. >Apparently he was shot by poachers. I was told this by my grandmother (his >granddaughter) Bertha. Although Bertha would not have known Benjamin, she >would have just known his wife Louisa who died when Bertha was seven. The >story must have been passed down from Louisa as she lived to be 85, dying >in >1921 in Brora (just a few miles from Golspie), and would have had plenty of >time to tell her children and grandchildren about Benjamin. > >In May 2001 I travelled to Brora with my family to inter Bertha's remains, >and stayed for a week during which I tried to verify the oral history of >the >family. Much of it was accurate, but I was unable to confirm the murder >tale. However, the Dingwall registrar considered Benjamin's death record to >be unusual as it was registered by the procurator fiscal, and his parent's >names are not recorded. The cause of death is given as apoplexy. These >records and the information in Malcolm Bangor-Jones' posts in February >leave >a little room in my mind to suspect that Benjamin's death may have been >unusual. I wonder if he may have been shot at and was either injured or >just shocked enough to die subsequently. I have also wondered if there are >any reasons why the murder might have been hushed up. > >I would welcome any comments and additional information. I would be >interested to know if Malcolm Bangor-Jones has found any other information >about Benjamin since his post in February, and would be grateful if he >could >tell me how I can get copies of the sources he cites in that post. I would >also be grateful if Isabella McGregor can post any additional information >on >Benjamin's children. My own line, which I know quite well, runs through his >posthumous son Benjamin. > >Moving on to the other LESLIES of Backies. I was very interested in Sheryl >Sharp's family history - we are clearly very distant cousins both in terms >of relationship and geography! > >My own research confirms much of Sherl's history, but I have been unable to >conclusively demonstrate that George LESLIE born 1754 was the same George >LESLIE who married Christina MCPHERSON in 1796. My concern is that >generation times seem to be about 20 years back then rather than the 40 >plus >years in this case. > >The records from Golspie for this period seem to be very patchy and don't >help much. Furthermore, I am having trouble tying in the records for this >period with the stones in the local graveyard. > >In the graveyard of St Andrew's Church Golspie, I found a cluster of LESLIE >graves including a well preserved standing stone for Benjamin LESLIE of >Rhiddoroch fame, and another for George LESLIE born 1797, who was the son >of >George LESLIE and Christina MCPHERSON. There is no stone which can >obviously >be attributed to George LESLIE and Christina MCPHERSON. However, there is a >pair of older flat stones roughly ascribed to George LESLEY and Elen >MACLEOD. I note that there is a record of a Helen MCLEOD being born in >Golspie in 1756 and so I wonder whether she was the spouse of George born >1754, and that the paired flat stones are their graves. One of the flat >stones has a rough date inscription which could be 1751 but is more >accurately represented in type as / 7 5 ) but there is no indication of >what >the date refers to. As a point of interest there was an even older flat >stone inscribed Gorg LESLY nearby. > >Maybe the marriage to Christina MCPHERSON was George LESLIE's second >marriage. Maybe he first married Helen MCLEOD who bore him no children. She >died or they parted, and he then married Christina MCPHERSON in his later >years. The other possibility, which would tidy up the generation times, is >that there is an extra generation not recorded in the Golspie records. >George LESLIE born 1754 could have had a son (named George) in the 1770s >who >married Christina in 1796. > >I have found no hard documentary evidence to support either possibility. >The >only incidental evidence I can find is that in Margaret Wilson Grant's book >"Golpsie's Story" the list of Golspie parish men liable for military >service >in 1810 does not include George LESLIE. Eligibility for this list depends >on >being aged between 18 and 45 years. If George had been born in 1754 then he >would indeed have been too old. If there were an additional generation in >the 1770s then that George would have been eligible. > >I would be interested to know what Sheryl's sources are, and whether anyone >can help help to confirm this period of the LESLIE family. > >Aside from all that, my own research indicates that George LESLIE b. >30-4-1754 was the son of another George LESLIE of Golspie. No spouse is >given for the elder George, but Golspie records show the birth of the >following other children to George LESLIE (spouse unnamed) at this time: > >George b. 21-12-1740 >Donald b. 15-5-1743 >Florence b. 26-7-1745 >John b. 24-7-1748 > >According to Margaret Wilson Grant's book "Golpsie's Story" the list of >seat >holders in Golspie Kirk in 1752 contains only one LESLIE: George LESLIE, >tenant of Backies, so I suspect that all of the above children were >siblings >of George LESLIE born 1754. > >Well that's about all I have for now. 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