Chris, A dear friend of mine who passed away recently and who was very involved with his family history had sent me numerous letters on his line. I only refer this to you as I know you are somehow linked to Mackay/Murray history. Anyway, this is what he sent as one stage. "William Mackay (a Freemason) born at Nairne Scotland about 1823 the sone of William Mackay and Margaret Reid. Young William married Elizabeth Murray at Abertuthy about 1850 - the church is now a boarding house. They had a son William and all three left Liverppol 2 Aug 1853 in the "Australia" and landed at Williamstown (Victoria) 18 Nov 1853. They probably had a deceased son Robert at that time." "Legend has it that William's father married a second time and the children could not agree so migrated." Which William my friend Malcolm was talking about is unclear. I am aware that this family has been well researched here my Malcolm and his daughters here in Australia, and they have reunions quite regularly. Anyway, this might help or be of use to someone and I remember William Mackay's, Murrays and Reid's being mentioned before. John McKay JP PO Box 16 Cavendish 3314 Australia mckayej@swtafe.vic.edu.au (BH]

Diane: In my files I think I have found another of your family. Maggi Finnigan- F 82 beautiful California Name: MACKAY FNAME: James Resident: Port Stanley Ontario Date: March 28 1874 MFNO: 1370 FILE NO: 515 NOTES: No Will -wife and widow MARY MACKAY of Dunwich - mention of son 16 years of age -mention of son 6 years of age - neither identified.

I wish I could say this is our Elizabeth Murrary. However, our Elizabeth who married Alexander McPherson went to Oxford Co., Ontario, and raised her family there. Their daughter Ann married Robert Geddes and had five children in Woodstock, Oxford Co., where Robert was a plasterer. Sadly, they both died rather young and the children were sent out to live with relatives. We thought that Elizabeth Murray might be the daughter of Angus Murray and Elizabeth/Eliza McKay but have yet to prove that. Diane ------- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version 6.0.250/Virus Databse: 123 - Release Date 5/31/01 ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 1:30 AM Subject: RE: Grant's Interests > Diane > Is it possible that this is your Elizabeth Murray married to Alex McPherson? > If so I have a great deal of info on this family. > > ELIZABETH MURRAY [3/8/1815-24/5/1879] > Married ALEXANDER McPHERSON > Elizabeth Anderson Murray (Betty) was born in Brora, daughter of Angus > Murray and Elizabeth McDonald. She married Alexander on 10 April 1840 at > Pictou, Nova Scotia, having moved there with her parents in 1831. Betty and > Alexander had eleven children, the eldest of whom was: ELIZABETH McPHERSON, > born 17 April 1841 at West River. Elizabeth's twin brother, Hugh, lived > only ten days. She grew up on the family farm at Watervale. In 1866 she > married George Sutherland, farmer of Earltown, son of Alexander Sutherland > and Elizabeth Baillie. They had five children before Elizabeth's early > death in 1882. Another daughter of Betty and Alexander was ANNIE, born > 1843. She married Reverend Angus Mackenzie, a Presbyterian minister. She > is buried with her husband in the Ridgefield Cemetery, Washington, U.S.A.. > Betty Murray is buried in Baillie Cemetery, Pictou. > > Christine > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill & Diane Geddes [mailto:bgeddes@ameritech.net] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:01 AM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Grant's Interests > > Grant, we have Andersons and Mathesons from Sutherlandshire as follows, also > Alex McPherson born in Clyne who married Elizabeth Murray: > > John Anderson, b. 1795, married Ellen McIntosh, b. 1805. Children were > John, Hugh, Catherine, Gilbert, Jane and Margaret. > > George Matheson, b. 1808, married Isabella McKay, b. 1805. Children were > John (m. Catherine McCall), Jane, Angus, George (m. Ellen McKay), Donald, > James and Robert (m. Jane Murray). > > Alexander McPherson, b. 1808 in Clyne, married Elizabeth Murray in 1839 in > Ontario, Canada. Children were Catherine (m. Hugh Fraser), Ann (m. Robert > Geddes), Jennet, Margaret, Robert and Margaret (m. John E. McKay). > Elizabeth Murray may be the daughter of Angus Murray and Elizabeth/Eliza > Mackay and was born in Dornoch. > > Any connections? > > Regards, > Diane Geddes > > ------- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version 6.0.250/Virus Databse: 123 - Release Date 5/31/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You > can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: > Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. > http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com > > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp >

I am intrigued by the Murdoch Mackay who married in Aberdeen and then named a son George Sackville Mackay. This is most certainly a reference to the county of Sutherland. A few Murray families around Golspie named their sons George Sackville after George Sackville Sutherland. I will have a look for any reference to this Murdoch. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: John McKay [mailto:jomac@ansonic.com.au] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 6:15 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Mackay strays Cleaning up some Clan Mackay family history files and thought I would put this on the list for anyone out there who might be looking for links or limbs of their tree. Per ALR Mackay Burwood Victoria (Aust) - Murdoch Mackay b 1789? married in Aberdeen to Elizabeth McLeod wo both came to Sydney 1827. Issue: Angus born Aberdeen 1824;, George Sackville b. Aberdeen 1826; Elizabeth born Sydney 1829 and Augustus born Parramatta 1831. Per Janet Maher Bendigo - who has a Findlay Mackay in her tree who was born about 1857, parents James and Jane Mackay (nee Pauton - I think, writing difficult to read). Janet not sure where they hailed from originally. From general research - noted that a David McKay (aged 29) arrived Aust. per "Thetis" on 15 Feb 1849 wife Agnes and children William, Susan and Mary. I hope these help someone. I shall continue to post "strays" or queries from from files occasionally with the aim of supporting those on the list. Regards, John McKay JP PO Box 16 Cavendish 3314 Australia mckayej@swtafe.vic.edu.au (BH] ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate your heritage! http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

Hi Kate What you have found on the IGI is one of the dreaded "abouts". These are entries put into the IGI by a relative in recent years. They have no other source and cannot be proved. They are best ignored. I am not absolutely clear on the reasons why these are entered but it does have something to do with the Church of the Latter Day Saints insisting that members do their family tree and then the baptise them all. Someone else may be able to explain that better. I personally always ignore "abouts"! Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: david and kate ferris [mailto:kate@globalnet.co.uk] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:26 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Strange Matheson IGI entry Hello everyone, I wonder if someone can explain this strange IGI entry, as I suspect it could be 'my Mudoch Matheson' birth registration? Murdoch MATHESON Sex: M Event(s): Birth: Abt. 1796 Of Clashmore, Stoer, Sutherland, Scotland Marriage(s): Spouse: Mary MATHESON Does this mean that Mary (the spouse) registered the birth? It is strange because it comes up as a marriage. Thanks all Kate Ferris (nee MacLeod) now Isle of Lewis Kate and David Ferris kate@globalnet.co.uk ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

Hi Everyone, Posting my interests in the following families. ANGUS MUNRO and CHRISTINA GRAHAM married 1787 in Cromarty and moved to Dornoch 1802. They had 7 children William, Hector, Hugh, Donald, Margaret, James and Christian. Donald married Helen Sutherland and they emigrated to Australia. Hector's son Hector and his daughter Bettye also went to Australia and lived in Northcote, Melbourne. ALEXANDER SUTHERLAND and MARON MACKAY (MCKAY) married 1785 Dornoch. They also had 7 children David, James, John, Margaret, Helen, Kenneth and James. Maron died July 1830 at Birichen. Alexander was born February 1756 in Golspie. For the new members this is the best list I have belonged to. The help from the people on this list is amazing. Many thanks, Judy _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Hello everyone, I wonder if someone can explain this strange IGI entry, as I suspect it could be 'my Mudoch Matheson' birth registration? Murdoch MATHESON Sex: M Event(s): Birth: Abt. 1796 Of Clashmore, Stoer, Sutherland, Scotland Marriage(s): Spouse: Mary MATHESON Does this mean that Mary (the spouse) registered the birth? It is strange because it comes up as a marriage. Thanks all Kate Ferris (nee MacLeod) now Isle of Lewis Kate and David Ferris kate@globalnet.co.uk

Diane Is it possible that this is your Elizabeth Murray married to Alex McPherson? If so I have a great deal of info on this family. ELIZABETH MURRAY [3/8/1815-24/5/1879] Married ALEXANDER McPHERSON Elizabeth Anderson Murray (Betty) was born in Brora, daughter of Angus Murray and Elizabeth McDonald. She married Alexander on 10 April 1840 at Pictou, Nova Scotia, having moved there with her parents in 1831. Betty and Alexander had eleven children, the eldest of whom was: ELIZABETH McPHERSON, born 17 April 1841 at West River. Elizabeth's twin brother, Hugh, lived only ten days. She grew up on the family farm at Watervale. In 1866 she married George Sutherland, farmer of Earltown, son of Alexander Sutherland and Elizabeth Baillie. They had five children before Elizabeth's early death in 1882. Another daughter of Betty and Alexander was ANNIE, born 1843. She married Reverend Angus Mackenzie, a Presbyterian minister. She is buried with her husband in the Ridgefield Cemetery, Washington, U.S.A.. Betty Murray is buried in Baillie Cemetery, Pictou. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Bill & Diane Geddes [mailto:bgeddes@ameritech.net] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:01 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Grant's Interests Grant, we have Andersons and Mathesons from Sutherlandshire as follows, also Alex McPherson born in Clyne who married Elizabeth Murray: John Anderson, b. 1795, married Ellen McIntosh, b. 1805. Children were John, Hugh, Catherine, Gilbert, Jane and Margaret. George Matheson, b. 1808, married Isabella McKay, b. 1805. Children were John (m. Catherine McCall), Jane, Angus, George (m. Ellen McKay), Donald, James and Robert (m. Jane Murray). Alexander McPherson, b. 1808 in Clyne, married Elizabeth Murray in 1839 in Ontario, Canada. Children were Catherine (m. Hugh Fraser), Ann (m. Robert Geddes), Jennet, Margaret, Robert and Margaret (m. John E. McKay). Elizabeth Murray may be the daughter of Angus Murray and Elizabeth/Eliza Mackay and was born in Dornoch. Any connections? Regards, Diane Geddes ------- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version 6.0.250/Virus Databse: 123 - Release Date 5/31/01 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project: Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time. http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

Hi Diane Yes ROC does stand for Ross and Cromarty. Do you have any idea who your Isabel's parents were or where she was born? At this point I have not been able to find much on my Cameron yet, I know her name was either Lilly or Helen, she married Andrew Munro and had at least 4 children born in Tain area ROC. If you would like to send to me off list, I can see if I can find a connection. Regards Robin --- Bill & Diane Geddes <bgeddes@ameritech.net> wrote: > Robin - Does ROC stand for Ross & Cromarty? If so, > do you have any > connection to Isabel Cameron, b. 1797 or 1800, died > 1872 in Oxford Co., > Ontario? She married Alexander Kennedy in > Kincardine, R&C, in 1826 and had > William, Alexandrina (Lexie), Donald, Nancy, James > and Mary. I believe the > first three children were born in R&C, the rest in > Ontario. > > Regards, > Diane Geddes > > ------- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version 6.0.250/Virus Databse: 123 - Release Date > 5/31/01 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Robin Van Belleghem <rvanb2001@yahoo.co.uk> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:38 PM > Subject: Re: welcome to all our new members > > > > Hi Everyone > > > > I will also ad my surnames again, for all you new > > members. My Sutherland Surnames are MacKay Gibson > and > > possibly McIntosh and I am quite certain as time > goes > > on there will be more added on. > > Well Christine, that snow in New Zealand sounds > good > > to me, I live in Ontario, Canada and summer here > is to > > hot for me. > > > > > > Regards > > Robin > > Sutherland surnames:MacKay,Gibson and McIntosh > > ROC surnames:MacKay,Gibson,Munro,Cameron > > > > --- Christine Stokes > > <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Hi > > > I have noticed that we have yet more new members > who > > > must be wondering if > > > this list operates. I welcome you all and hope > you > > > will stick around. Up > > > until a few weeks ago this was a very busy place > to > > > be but currently > > > everyone seems to be on holiday or just enjoying > > > summer here or hiding from > > > snow in New Zealand. > > > Please post your interests and introduce > yourselves. > > > It is nice to know who > > > is on the list. > > > My own interests include Murray families all > over > > > Sutherland; Mackays and > > > Mackenzies around Rogart and Dornoch and anyone > who > > > is buried in Rogart. I > > > am currently working on a history of the > graveyard > > > there. > > > > > > Christine > > > Highland Hearts > > > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > > > <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > > > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release > > > Date: 6/22/01 > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > > You may, at times, wish to check out previous > > > messages to this list. You can do this at > > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > > > ============================== > > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at > http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at > http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > You may, at times, wish to check out previous > messages to this list. You > can do this at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous > messages to this list. You can do this at > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

Thanks I also have Christina SUTHERLAND marrying James McBEATH at Bona Free Church in 1871 she died in 1874 and was the Daughter of William SUTHERLAND and CHRISTINA SUTHERLAND m.s. MURRAY in 1871 living at Knockarthur Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 7:58 PM Subject: RE: interests - Lady's Loch > Iain > There are quite a few references to Lady's Loch in my Murray's work alone. > Thought you may be interested to read the following: > > 1-084 ALEXANDER MURRAY married JANET GORDON > [15/11/1818-c1885] [1822-25/11/1881] > Alexander, a slater, is the son of Angus Murray and Grisel Mackay - see > 1-158. He married Janet, daughter of David Gordon, Free Church elder, and > Helen Sutherland, on 6 February 1846 in Clyne (SCR). The Old Parish Record > tells that Alexander lived at Rhalan and Janet at Ardchu at the time of > their marriage. They had the following children, born at Ardchue, Clyne > (IGI): ANGUS, born 9 December 1846 [died 5 April 1881] (DC/NC51-81); > ALEXANDER, born 11 May 1848 [died 20 January 1864] (NC51/61/DC); his twin > DAVID, [died 25 January 1864] (NC51/61/DC); HECTOR, born 9 February 1850 > (NC51-71); GEORGINA LAWSON, born 4 March 1852 Lady's Loch (OPR/NC61/81/91); > WILLIAMINA GORDON, born 7 April 1854 Achue (OPR/NC61/71); ROBERT GORDON, > born 23 March 1857 (NC61-91); ANN, born 22 May 1859 (NC61-81); ANDREW, born > 10 June 1861 (NC71/81); JAMES, born 25 July 1863 (NC71/81) and DAVID > ALEXANDER, born 23 August 1864 (NC71-91). Alexander was recorded as a > slater. The 1851 and 1861 census records show Alexander and Janet at > Ardochy. The twins, Alexander and David died from diptheria in 1864. In > 1871 [now written Ardchu] his sons are shown as slater and builders > labourers. In 1871 Georgina was working as a domestic servant in the Grant > home at Shoemaker Street, Clyne. Written Ardacha in 1881 - the house had > five rooms. Two of his sons were coalminers and Angus was an unemployed > slater. Angus died, aged 34 years, in 1881 at Ardchu. His death certificate > tells that he was a slater, journeyman and a bachelor. Living with the > family was a grandaughter, JOHANNA MURRAY, aged 1 year. In 1891 (now > Ardachue) Alexander and Janet had passed away and their son Robert had taken > over as head of the household. His sister Georgina was housekeeping; David > was a labourer in the brick and tile works and an 11 year old niece Hannah > Sutherland lived with them. > > 2-071 CHRISTY MURRAY married JOHN MACKAY > [c1803-22/1/1872] [1799-1/8/1870] > Christy is a daughter of Donald Murray and Elizabeth Ross - see 2-129D. She > and John, son of Alexander Mackay and Janet McLeod (DC), had the following > children (MACKAY), born in Clyne (IGI): Elizabeth, born circa 1830 [died 11 > October 1863 East Clyne] [married John Mackay, carpenter] (DC); Marion, born > 18 September 1838 Lady's Loch (OPR); Jessie, born c1840 (DC); Williamina, > born 24 October 1841 Badnellan (OPR) and George Loch, born 28 January 1844 > North Brora (OPR). Christy died, a widow, at Badnellan. > > 2-074 CHRISTINA MURRAY married JOHN McKENZIE > [1805- 12/9/1839] > Christina of East Brora and John of Lady's Loch married on 5 January 1833 in > Clyne (OPR). Christina died on 12 September 1839 aged 34 years. A few months > earlier she had given birth to a daughter: Lexina MACKENZIE, born 14 May > 1839 North Brora (OPR). She is buried in Clyne where her gravestone, which > was erected by her husband, tells that they lived at North Brora (GY53/233). > > 2-136 DONALD MURRAY married ISABELLA GRANT > [9/3/1841-2/1/1910] [c1850-9/7/1938] > Donald was born in Rogart son of Angus Murray and Marion McIntosh - see > 1-174 (MC). He married Isabella on 8 April 1875 at the Royal Hotel, > Inverness. Donald was then a gamekeeper of Dunrobin Mains, Golspie. > Isabella, aged 24, of Drumnadrochit, Inverness-shire, was the daughter of > Lewis Grant, farmer and Mary Fraser. Isabella had two sisters and a brother > born in Duthill, Rothiemurchus, Morayshire - she may have been born in the > same place. Donald and his wife, Isabella, lived in Clyne. They had the > following children: MARION, born 7 January 1876 [died 11 May 1964] > (NC81/BC); LEWIS, born circa 1877 [died 3 May 1877]: MARY ANN, born circa > 1878 [died 2 June 1935 Poles, Dornoch] (NT/NC81/91); JANET (Jessie), born > February 1881 [died 9 July 1969] (NC81/91/GY); MABEL, born circa 1883 [died > 19 February 1964 Yorkshire] (NC91/GY); ANGUS, born circa 1885 [died 13 April > 1898] (NC91); ELIZABETH JANE, born 21 July 1886 (BC); WILLIAM GRANT born > circa 1890 [died 16 April 1918 France -killed in action] (NC91); LOUISA > ELSPETH, born 2 July 1891 Clyne [died 25 April 1983 Inverness] [married > William Gray of Nigg on 8 December 1922 at Tain] (BC/DC/MC) and ALEXANDER, > born circa 1895 [killed in action Tuesday, 8 June 1915 France - 1/5 Seaforth > Highlanders]. The 1881 census shows the family living in an eight-roomed > house at Corryveil, Clyne, where Donald was a gamekeeper. In 1891 they were > at Ben Armine, Clyne, in an eleven-roomed house. Sometime between this and > Donald's death in 1910 the family moved to Poles, Dornoch, where he was > recorded as a farmer. In 1891 a Marion Murray, born circa 1872 in Clyne, was > at Lady's Loch, Clyne, a dressmaker with Alexa McKenzie. This Marion? > Second Lieutenant William Grant Murray, 7th Battalion Seaforth Highlanders, > was killed on Tuesday, 16th April 1918. He is remembered with honour on the > Tyne cot Memorial, Zonnebeke, West-Vlaandreren, Belgium. Donald and Isabella > are buried in Golspie (GY291/82). (editor's note: Donald Murray's death > certificate states that he is the son of Angus Murray and Marion Matheson > but it is believed that he is the son of Angus Murray and Marion McIntosh of > Achnagarrin, Rogart - see 1-174. Donald's marriage certificate bears this > out - on 8 April 1875 at the Royal Hotel, Inverness - Donald Murray, aged > 32, gamekeeper, bachelor, Dunrobin Mains, Golspie, father Angus Murray, > farmer, mother Marion Murray, maiden surname Mcintosh.) (2/01) T2 > > 2-204A ELIZABETH MURRAY married WILLIAM SUTHERLAND > [born circa 1820] > Elizabeth (Elspet) and William, shoemaker of Lady's Loch, Clyne, had the > following children (SUTHERLAND): Janet, born 15 February 1850 Clyne (OPR) > and James, born 5 December 1851 Clyne (OPR). > > 3-192 ISABELLA MURRAY married WILLIAM SUTHERLAND > [1824-27/8/1919] [1825-10/4/1857] > Isabella of East Brora is the daughter of James Murray and Ann Gunn - see > 4-008. William of Lady's Loch, Clyne, is the son of Alexander Sutherland > and Margaret Sutherland. Isabella and William married on 18 September 1846 > in Clyne (OPR). They are buried in Helmsdale (GY49/126). They had the > following children (SUTHERLAND) born in Clyne: Alexander, born 12 December > 1846 [married secondly to Williamina Gunn - see note below] (IGI94/MC); > Anne, born 26 July 1848 (IGI94); Dora Jane, born 5 January 1854 (OPR) and > Margaret, born 24 March 1856 (IGI94). Dora Jane was baptised by Reverend > John McDonald privately before William Sutherland and Alexander Sutherland, > witnesses. Alexander Sutherland, son of Isabella and William, married > secondly to Williamina Gunn, daughter of John Gunn and Williamina Murray - > see 6-173/1. Alexander was shown as a widower on this marriage certificate. > He married Williamina on 29 October 1897 in Clyne. He was, at that time, a > Master Shoemaker. He and Williamina had a son: William Alexander > SUTHERLAND, born circa 1901 [married on 31 December 1926 in Glasgow to > Rebecca Fenwick, daughter of John Allan Fenwich, music teacher, and his wife > Catherine Arrow] (MC). > > As always if anyone can add or correct anything above be delighted to hear > from you. > > Christine > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: Iain Sutherland [mailto:iain_sutherland@totalise.co.uk] > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 7:19 PM > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: interests > > I always understood that Lady's Loch was a wee place has anybody any idea > how many families lived there? In 1859 when John Sutherland aged 47 married > Jessie Bannerman both lived at Lady's Loch. John's parents John Sutherland > and Henrietta (McKay ) lived at Lady's Loch also.No relationship between the > 2 Sutherland families is known but I have a Death Certificate 1867 for > Margaret McBeath at Doll the daughter of Isabella Ross m.s. Sutherland > > Regards Iain > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Isabella McGregor <isabella@mcgregori.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:57 AM > Subject: Re: interests > > > > > > I have a William Sutherland b.c. 1824 who was a shoemaker and lived in > Ladys > > Loch. > > His parents were Alexander Sutherland and Margaret Sutherland. > > He married 18-9-1846 Isabella Murray daughter of James Murray and Ann Gunn > > who fit into my tree. > > William died in 1857 and I have five children for him > > Alex. , Ann, James, Dora Jane(Dorothy) and Margaret. > > > > If you think there is any connection, get back to me. > > But there were other families of Sutherland in Ladys Loch. > > > > Isabella. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Iain Sutherland" <iain_sutherland@totalise.co.uk> > > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:56 PM > > Subject: interests > > > > > > > My parents married in Inverness Castle in 1939 and were the descendants > of > > good Highland Stock. I am seeking information on Sutherlands who have a > > continuity in Brora from the early 1800,s starting at Ladies Loch, Gower > > Street and Moray Terrace where sadly my 90 year old Auntie died on 3rd. > > July. My McBeath ancestors were in Reisk in 1798 and Achnagarrin Rogart in > > 1881 then to Inchomnie Rogart. My Robertsons came from it appears the > > attentions of the Estate Factor at Erchless Estates to a Chisholm sister > of > > a local Catholic Farmer and my Grandfather lived at Lochside Rogart. I > have > > Maclennans of Contin then Kerrow .Scotts appear in Cannich. My Reid > ancestor > > married a Swanson at Loth in 1840 and my Dads Uncle who liked a wee dram > > put his Fathers first wifes parents (and initially name) on his own > Mothers > > Death Certificate. 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Hi Iain, Yes, you are correct . Ladys Loch is just a small group of houses. From what I remember in the 1940's there were six inhabitated houses and one ruin. There were two families of Sutherlands lived there at that time, as far as I know they were not related. Isabella. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Sutherland" <iain_sutherland@totalise.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 7:19 PM Subject: Re: interests > I always understood that Lady's Loch was a wee place has anybody any idea > how many families lived there? In 1859 when John Sutherland aged 47 married > Jessie Bannerman both lived at Lady's Loch. John's parents John Sutherland > and Henrietta (McKay ) lived at Lady's Loch also.No relationship between the > 2 Sutherland families is known but I have a Death Certificate 1867 for > Margaret McBeath at Doll the daughter of Isabella Ross m.s. Sutherland > > Regards Iain > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Isabella McGregor <isabella@mcgregori.fsnet.co.uk> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:57 AM > Subject: Re: interests > > > > > > I have a William Sutherland b.c. 1824 who was a shoemaker and lived in > Ladys > > Loch. > > His parents were Alexander Sutherland and Margaret Sutherland. > > He married 18-9-1846 Isabella Murray daughter of James Murray and Ann Gunn > > who fit into my tree. > > William died in 1857 and I have five children for him > > Alex. , Ann, James, Dora Jane(Dorothy) and Margaret. > > > > If you think there is any connection, get back to me. > > But there were other families of Sutherland in Ladys Loch. > > > > Isabella. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Iain Sutherland" <iain_sutherland@totalise.co.uk> > > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:56 PM > > Subject: interests > > > > > > > My parents married in Inverness Castle in 1939 and were the descendants > of > > good Highland Stock. I am seeking information on Sutherlands who have a > > continuity in Brora from the early 1800,s starting at Ladies Loch, Gower > > Street and Moray Terrace where sadly my 90 year old Auntie died on 3rd. > > July. My McBeath ancestors were in Reisk in 1798 and Achnagarrin Rogart in > > 1881 then to Inchomnie Rogart. My Robertsons came from it appears the > > attentions of the Estate Factor at Erchless Estates to a Chisholm sister > of > > a local Catholic Farmer and my Grandfather lived at Lochside Rogart. I > have > > Maclennans of Contin then Kerrow .Scotts appear in Cannich. My Reid > ancestor > > married a Swanson at Loth in 1840 and my Dads Uncle who liked a wee dram > > put his Fathers first wifes parents (and initially name) on his own > Mothers > > Death Certificate. I enjoy this list immensly and have learned a lot from > it > > but one thing sticks in my mind more than any other You can,t ask folk > > about your Ancestors whe! > > > n they,ve gone ! ask now before it,s too late. Thank you all and > > particularly Christine Iain > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. > You > > can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > > > ============================== > > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You > can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

Hi Dario These are the references which I have on your family in my work on Murray Families of Sutherland. I will add in the extra children later. If you can add anything else be delighted to hear from you. 4-014 JAMES S. MURRAY married ELIZABETH JACK [born c1852] [born c1852] James was born at Olrig, Caithness, son of James Sinclair Murray and Jane Mowat. His wife, Elizabeth was born at Dunnet, Caithness. James and Elizabeth married at Dunnet, Caithness, on 1 August 1873 (MC). In 1881 and 1891 they were living at Clynelish Bothy. They had the following children (IGI): DONALD J, born circa 1875 Bower, Caithness (NC81/91); MARGARET LYALL, born 18 September 1877 Bonar Bridge [married Benjamin Leslie - see 5-032A] (NC81/91/MC); JANE MOWAT, born 4 June 1879 Bonar Bridge (NC91); JAMES, born 16 July 1881 Clynelish (NC91) ELIZABETH JACK, born 17 September 1882 Clyne (NC91); JESSIE BRODIE, born 28 September 1884 Clyne (NC91); ALEXANDER BROWN LAWSON, born 10 August 1886 Clyne (NC91); JOHN BREMNER, born 13 April 1888 Clynelish (NC91); CATHERINE MENNIE, born 4 December 1890 Clynelish (NC91); EDWARD, born 22 September 1893 Clynelish and CECILLIA, born 25 November 1895 (BC). (11/00) 5-032A MARGARET MURRAY married BENJAMIN LESLIE Margaret Lyall Murray is the daughter of James Murray and Elizabeth Jack - see 4-014. Benjamin is the son of Benjamin Leslie and Louisa Murray - see 5-012. Margaret and Benjamin married at Golspie on 27 September 1899. Benjamin was a carter at Brora and Margaret a cook of Clynelish (MC). (11/00) 5-012 LOUISA MURRAY married BENJAMIN LESLIE [28/10/1836-18/5/1921] [8/11/1832-25/1/1870] Louisa was born at East Brora, daughter of James Murray and Ann Gunn - see 4-008. Benjamin is the son of George Leslie and Christina Munro. Louisa and Benjamin married on 8 November 1861 in Clyne (IGI). They had the following children (LESLIE): Christina, born 26 August 1862 Ridorrach Lodge, Loch Broom [married William Murray - see 6-119A] (GY); Andrew Murray, born 5 April 1864 Ridorrach Lodge [died 20 February 1892 at 13 Bruntsfield Place, Edinburgh - bachelor, assistant warehouseman - death certificate signed by aunt Hughina Murray] (GY); George, born 24 February 1867 Ridorrach Lodge [married Margaret Wilson in 1890 Dundee - had daughter Louisa born 1890 in Golspie (BC)] (MC) and Benjamin, born circa 1870 [married Margaret Lyall Murray - see 5-032A]. Benjamin Leslie was a servant to the Duke of Sutherland. He moved from Dunrobin to look after Rhidooroch Lodge in Lochbroom around 1861. Rhidooroch was on the Cromartie estate which at that period was amalgamated with the Sutherland estate through the marriage of the Duke to the Mackenzie heiress. Benjamin's death was reported in the Newspapers (Inverness Advertiser 1 February 1870). He died aged about 37 when walking back through the hills from Strath Oykel. The body was found about one and a half miles from his house. He probably died of exposure. His son Benjamin was born soon after. In 1891 Louisa was in East Brora where she was a Boarding House Keeper. Louisa died in Brora. Benjamin senior had died at Rhidarroch, Ullapool. They are buried in Golspie (GY268/30). Isabella McGregor, Fife, Scotland, is currently researching this family. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Dario Leslie [mailto:darioleslie@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:32 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Murrays in Brora and Canada Can anyone tell me anything about the following family from who moved around quite a lot, eventually emigrating to Canada. They spent some time in Brora where they left my particular line of the family. James MURRAY bd. ca 1852 occ. Farm servant at Clynelish married 1 Aug 1873 Dunnet to Elizabeth JACK bd. ca 1853 Children: | Sinclair MURRAY* | bd. 29 Jan 1874, Dunnet | Donald Jack MURRAY | bd. 20 Oct 1875, Bower, Caithness | Margaret Lyall MURRAY*(My great grandmother) | bd. 18 Sep 1877, Bonar | dd. 21 Feb 1968, Brora | brd. Brora Cemetery | Jane Mowat MURRAY* | bd. 4 Jun 1879, Bonar Bridge | dd. 9 Apr 1963 | brd. Brora Cemetery | James MURRAY | bd. 16 Jul 1881, Clynelish | Elizabeth Jack MURRAY* | bd. 7 Sep 1882, Clynelish | Jessie Brodie MURRAY | bd. 28 Sep 1884, Clynelish | Alexander Brown Lawson MURRAY | bd. 10 Aug 1886, Clynelish | John Bremner MURRAY | bd. 13 Apr 1888, Clynelish | Catherine Mennie MURRAY | bd. 4 Dec 1890, Clynelish | Ann Isabella MURRAY | bd. 9 Sep 1892, Clynelish | Edward MURRAY | bd. 22 Dec 1893, Clynelish | Cecilia MURRAY | bd. 25 Nov 1895, Clynelish When James Murray senior retired at 60 he and Elizabeth emigrated to Canada (ca 1910-1915). Some of the children went with them but I beleive that others (asterisked above) stayed in Scotland. Both James and Elizabeth are believed to have lived into their nineties, and I have a few photos of Elizabeth looking hale and hearty in her later years. I also have some more fragmentary information on some of the children which I can post if there is any interest. 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Iain There are quite a few references to Lady's Loch in my Murray's work alone. Thought you may be interested to read the following: 1-084 ALEXANDER MURRAY married JANET GORDON [15/11/1818-c1885] [1822-25/11/1881] Alexander, a slater, is the son of Angus Murray and Grisel Mackay - see 1-158. He married Janet, daughter of David Gordon, Free Church elder, and Helen Sutherland, on 6 February 1846 in Clyne (SCR). The Old Parish Record tells that Alexander lived at Rhalan and Janet at Ardchu at the time of their marriage. They had the following children, born at Ardchue, Clyne (IGI): ANGUS, born 9 December 1846 [died 5 April 1881] (DC/NC51-81); ALEXANDER, born 11 May 1848 [died 20 January 1864] (NC51/61/DC); his twin DAVID, [died 25 January 1864] (NC51/61/DC); HECTOR, born 9 February 1850 (NC51-71); GEORGINA LAWSON, born 4 March 1852 Lady's Loch (OPR/NC61/81/91); WILLIAMINA GORDON, born 7 April 1854 Achue (OPR/NC61/71); ROBERT GORDON, born 23 March 1857 (NC61-91); ANN, born 22 May 1859 (NC61-81); ANDREW, born 10 June 1861 (NC71/81); JAMES, born 25 July 1863 (NC71/81) and DAVID ALEXANDER, born 23 August 1864 (NC71-91). Alexander was recorded as a slater. The 1851 and 1861 census records show Alexander and Janet at Ardochy. The twins, Alexander and David died from diptheria in 1864. In 1871 [now written Ardchu] his sons are shown as slater and builders labourers. In 1871 Georgina was working as a domestic servant in the Grant home at Shoemaker Street, Clyne. Written Ardacha in 1881 - the house had five rooms. Two of his sons were coalminers and Angus was an unemployed slater. Angus died, aged 34 years, in 1881 at Ardchu. His death certificate tells that he was a slater, journeyman and a bachelor. Living with the family was a grandaughter, JOHANNA MURRAY, aged 1 year. In 1891 (now Ardachue) Alexander and Janet had passed away and their son Robert had taken over as head of the household. His sister Georgina was housekeeping; David was a labourer in the brick and tile works and an 11 year old niece Hannah Sutherland lived with them. 2-071 CHRISTY MURRAY married JOHN MACKAY [c1803-22/1/1872] [1799-1/8/1870] Christy is a daughter of Donald Murray and Elizabeth Ross - see 2-129D. She and John, son of Alexander Mackay and Janet McLeod (DC), had the following children (MACKAY), born in Clyne (IGI): Elizabeth, born circa 1830 [died 11 October 1863 East Clyne] [married John Mackay, carpenter] (DC); Marion, born 18 September 1838 Lady's Loch (OPR); Jessie, born c1840 (DC); Williamina, born 24 October 1841 Badnellan (OPR) and George Loch, born 28 January 1844 North Brora (OPR). Christy died, a widow, at Badnellan. 2-074 CHRISTINA MURRAY married JOHN McKENZIE [1805- 12/9/1839] Christina of East Brora and John of Lady's Loch married on 5 January 1833 in Clyne (OPR). Christina died on 12 September 1839 aged 34 years. A few months earlier she had given birth to a daughter: Lexina MACKENZIE, born 14 May 1839 North Brora (OPR). She is buried in Clyne where her gravestone, which was erected by her husband, tells that they lived at North Brora (GY53/233). 2-136 DONALD MURRAY married ISABELLA GRANT [9/3/1841-2/1/1910] [c1850-9/7/1938] Donald was born in Rogart son of Angus Murray and Marion McIntosh - see 1-174 (MC). He married Isabella on 8 April 1875 at the Royal Hotel, Inverness. Donald was then a gamekeeper of Dunrobin Mains, Golspie. Isabella, aged 24, of Drumnadrochit, Inverness-shire, was the daughter of Lewis Grant, farmer and Mary Fraser. Isabella had two sisters and a brother born in Duthill, Rothiemurchus, Morayshire - she may have been born in the same place. Donald and his wife, Isabella, lived in Clyne. They had the following children: MARION, born 7 January 1876 [died 11 May 1964] (NC81/BC); LEWIS, born circa 1877 [died 3 May 1877]: MARY ANN, born circa 1878 [died 2 June 1935 Poles, Dornoch] (NT/NC81/91); JANET (Jessie), born February 1881 [died 9 July 1969] (NC81/91/GY); MABEL, born circa 1883 [died 19 February 1964 Yorkshire] (NC91/GY); ANGUS, born circa 1885 [died 13 April 1898] (NC91); ELIZABETH JANE, born 21 July 1886 (BC); WILLIAM GRANT born circa 1890 [died 16 April 1918 France -killed in action] (NC91); LOUISA ELSPETH, born 2 July 1891 Clyne [died 25 April 1983 Inverness] [married William Gray of Nigg on 8 December 1922 at Tain] (BC/DC/MC) and ALEXANDER, born circa 1895 [killed in action Tuesday, 8 June 1915 France - 1/5 Seaforth Highlanders]. The 1881 census shows the family living in an eight-roomed house at Corryveil, Clyne, where Donald was a gamekeeper. In 1891 they were at Ben Armine, Clyne, in an eleven-roomed house. Sometime between this and Donald's death in 1910 the family moved to Poles, Dornoch, where he was recorded as a farmer. In 1891 a Marion Murray, born circa 1872 in Clyne, was at Lady's Loch, Clyne, a dressmaker with Alexa McKenzie. This Marion? Second Lieutenant William Grant Murray, 7th Battalion Seaforth Highlanders, was killed on Tuesday, 16th April 1918. He is remembered with honour on the Tyne cot Memorial, Zonnebeke, West-Vlaandreren, Belgium. Donald and Isabella are buried in Golspie (GY291/82). (editor's note: Donald Murray's death certificate states that he is the son of Angus Murray and Marion Matheson but it is believed that he is the son of Angus Murray and Marion McIntosh of Achnagarrin, Rogart - see 1-174. Donald's marriage certificate bears this out - on 8 April 1875 at the Royal Hotel, Inverness - Donald Murray, aged 32, gamekeeper, bachelor, Dunrobin Mains, Golspie, father Angus Murray, farmer, mother Marion Murray, maiden surname Mcintosh.) (2/01) T2 2-204A ELIZABETH MURRAY married WILLIAM SUTHERLAND [born circa 1820] Elizabeth (Elspet) and William, shoemaker of Lady's Loch, Clyne, had the following children (SUTHERLAND): Janet, born 15 February 1850 Clyne (OPR) and James, born 5 December 1851 Clyne (OPR). 3-192 ISABELLA MURRAY married WILLIAM SUTHERLAND [1824-27/8/1919] [1825-10/4/1857] Isabella of East Brora is the daughter of James Murray and Ann Gunn - see 4-008. William of Lady's Loch, Clyne, is the son of Alexander Sutherland and Margaret Sutherland. Isabella and William married on 18 September 1846 in Clyne (OPR). They are buried in Helmsdale (GY49/126). They had the following children (SUTHERLAND) born in Clyne: Alexander, born 12 December 1846 [married secondly to Williamina Gunn - see note below] (IGI94/MC); Anne, born 26 July 1848 (IGI94); Dora Jane, born 5 January 1854 (OPR) and Margaret, born 24 March 1856 (IGI94). Dora Jane was baptised by Reverend John McDonald privately before William Sutherland and Alexander Sutherland, witnesses. Alexander Sutherland, son of Isabella and William, married secondly to Williamina Gunn, daughter of John Gunn and Williamina Murray - see 6-173/1. Alexander was shown as a widower on this marriage certificate. He married Williamina on 29 October 1897 in Clyne. He was, at that time, a Master Shoemaker. He and Williamina had a son: William Alexander SUTHERLAND, born circa 1901 [married on 31 December 1926 in Glasgow to Rebecca Fenwick, daughter of John Allan Fenwich, music teacher, and his wife Catherine Arrow] (MC). As always if anyone can add or correct anything above be delighted to hear from you. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Iain Sutherland [mailto:iain_sutherland@totalise.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 7:19 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: interests I always understood that Lady's Loch was a wee place has anybody any idea how many families lived there? In 1859 when John Sutherland aged 47 married Jessie Bannerman both lived at Lady's Loch. John's parents John Sutherland and Henrietta (McKay ) lived at Lady's Loch also.No relationship between the 2 Sutherland families is known but I have a Death Certificate 1867 for Margaret McBeath at Doll the daughter of Isabella Ross m.s. Sutherland Regards Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Isabella McGregor <isabella@mcgregori.fsnet.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Re: interests > > I have a William Sutherland b.c. 1824 who was a shoemaker and lived in Ladys > Loch. > His parents were Alexander Sutherland and Margaret Sutherland. > He married 18-9-1846 Isabella Murray daughter of James Murray and Ann Gunn > who fit into my tree. > William died in 1857 and I have five children for him > Alex. , Ann, James, Dora Jane(Dorothy) and Margaret. > > If you think there is any connection, get back to me. > But there were other families of Sutherland in Ladys Loch. > > Isabella. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iain Sutherland" <iain_sutherland@totalise.co.uk> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:56 PM > Subject: interests > > > > My parents married in Inverness Castle in 1939 and were the descendants of > good Highland Stock. I am seeking information on Sutherlands who have a > continuity in Brora from the early 1800,s starting at Ladies Loch, Gower > Street and Moray Terrace where sadly my 90 year old Auntie died on 3rd. > July. My McBeath ancestors were in Reisk in 1798 and Achnagarrin Rogart in > 1881 then to Inchomnie Rogart. My Robertsons came from it appears the > attentions of the Estate Factor at Erchless Estates to a Chisholm sister of > a local Catholic Farmer and my Grandfather lived at Lochside Rogart. I have > Maclennans of Contin then Kerrow .Scotts appear in Cannich. My Reid ancestor > married a Swanson at Loth in 1840 and my Dads Uncle who liked a wee dram > put his Fathers first wifes parents (and initially name) on his own Mothers > Death Certificate. I enjoy this list immensly and have learned a lot from it > but one thing sticks in my mind more than any other You can,t ask folk > about your Ancestors whe! > > n they,ve gone ! ask now before it,s too late. 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I always understood that Lady's Loch was a wee place has anybody any idea how many families lived there? In 1859 when John Sutherland aged 47 married Jessie Bannerman both lived at Lady's Loch. John's parents John Sutherland and Henrietta (McKay ) lived at Lady's Loch also.No relationship between the 2 Sutherland families is known but I have a Death Certificate 1867 for Margaret McBeath at Doll the daughter of Isabella Ross m.s. Sutherland Regards Iain ----- Original Message ----- From: Isabella McGregor <isabella@mcgregori.fsnet.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:57 AM Subject: Re: interests > > I have a William Sutherland b.c. 1824 who was a shoemaker and lived in Ladys > Loch. > His parents were Alexander Sutherland and Margaret Sutherland. > He married 18-9-1846 Isabella Murray daughter of James Murray and Ann Gunn > who fit into my tree. > William died in 1857 and I have five children for him > Alex. , Ann, James, Dora Jane(Dorothy) and Margaret. > > If you think there is any connection, get back to me. > But there were other families of Sutherland in Ladys Loch. > > Isabella. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iain Sutherland" <iain_sutherland@totalise.co.uk> > To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 8:56 PM > Subject: interests > > > > My parents married in Inverness Castle in 1939 and were the descendants of > good Highland Stock. I am seeking information on Sutherlands who have a > continuity in Brora from the early 1800,s starting at Ladies Loch, Gower > Street and Moray Terrace where sadly my 90 year old Auntie died on 3rd. > July. My McBeath ancestors were in Reisk in 1798 and Achnagarrin Rogart in > 1881 then to Inchomnie Rogart. My Robertsons came from it appears the > attentions of the Estate Factor at Erchless Estates to a Chisholm sister of > a local Catholic Farmer and my Grandfather lived at Lochside Rogart. I have > Maclennans of Contin then Kerrow .Scotts appear in Cannich. My Reid ancestor > married a Swanson at Loth in 1840 and my Dads Uncle who liked a wee dram > put his Fathers first wifes parents (and initially name) on his own Mothers > Death Certificate. I enjoy this list immensly and have learned a lot from it > but one thing sticks in my mind more than any other You can,t ask folk > about your Ancestors whe! > > n they,ve gone ! ask now before it,s too late. Thank you all and > particularly Christine Iain > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You > can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

Grant, we have Andersons and Mathesons from Sutherlandshire as follows, also Alex McPherson born in Clyne who married Elizabeth Murray: John Anderson, b. 1795, married Ellen McIntosh, b. 1805. Children were John, Hugh, Catherine, Gilbert, Jane and Margaret. George Matheson, b. 1808, married Isabella McKay, b. 1805. Children were John (m. Catherine McCall), Jane, Angus, George (m. Ellen McKay), Donald, James and Robert (m. Jane Murray). Alexander McPherson, b. 1808 in Clyne, married Elizabeth Murray in 1839 in Ontario, Canada. Children were Catherine (m. Hugh Fraser), Ann (m. Robert Geddes), Jennet, Margaret, Robert and Margaret (m. John E. McKay). Elizabeth Murray may be the daughter of Angus Murray and Elizabeth/Eliza Mackay and was born in Dornoch. Any connections? Regards, Diane Geddes ------- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version 6.0.250/Virus Databse: 123 - Release Date 5/31/01

Hi Dario, Thanks for posting all the info. of your Murrays. There are a few children here which I did not have, and I did not know they had gone to Canada. So it is all very useful info. for me. I dont think I can add anything to it, except about the family of Margaret Lyall Murray and Benj. Leslie which I expect you already have, is it is your line. But any other info. on any of the children would be much appreciated. Many thanks, Isabella. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dario Leslie" <darioleslie@hotmail.com> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2001 8:32 AM Subject: Murrays in Brora and Canada > Can anyone tell me anything about the following family from who moved around > quite a lot, eventually emigrating to Canada. They spent some time in Brora > where they left my particular line of the family. > > James MURRAY > bd. ca 1852 > occ. Farm servant at Clynelish > married 1 Aug 1873 Dunnet to > Elizabeth JACK > bd. ca 1853 > > Children: > | Sinclair MURRAY* > | bd. 29 Jan 1874, Dunnet > | Donald Jack MURRAY > | bd. 20 Oct 1875, Bower, Caithness > | Margaret Lyall MURRAY*(My great grandmother) > | bd. 18 Sep 1877, Bonar > | dd. 21 Feb 1968, Brora > | brd. Brora Cemetery > | Jane Mowat MURRAY* > | bd. 4 Jun 1879, Bonar Bridge > | dd. 9 Apr 1963 > | brd. Brora Cemetery > | James MURRAY > | bd. 16 Jul 1881, Clynelish > | Elizabeth Jack MURRAY* > | bd. 7 Sep 1882, Clynelish > | Jessie Brodie MURRAY > | bd. 28 Sep 1884, Clynelish > | Alexander Brown Lawson MURRAY > | bd. 10 Aug 1886, Clynelish > | John Bremner MURRAY > | bd. 13 Apr 1888, Clynelish > | Catherine Mennie MURRAY > | bd. 4 Dec 1890, Clynelish > | Ann Isabella MURRAY > | bd. 9 Sep 1892, Clynelish > | Edward MURRAY > | bd. 22 Dec 1893, Clynelish > | Cecilia MURRAY > | bd. 25 Nov 1895, Clynelish > > When James Murray senior retired at 60 he and Elizabeth emigrated to Canada > (ca 1910-1915). Some of the children went with them but I beleive that > others (asterisked above) stayed in Scotland. Both James and Elizabeth are > believed to have lived into their nineties, and I have a few photos of > Elizabeth looking hale and hearty in her later years. > > I also have some more fragmentary information on some of the children which > I can post if there is any interest. > > Cheers > > Dario Leslie > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history > learning and how-to articles on the Internet. > http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library > >

Christine - I have the transcript for the cemetery where William McKay and Jane Grant are buried. The cemetery is properly called North Embro Cemetery and is located on Embro Road on the outskirts of the little village of Embro, West Zorra Township, Oxford Co., Ontario. The exact inscription reads: CE11a - In / memory / of / Wm McKay / who died / March 30 1869 / aged 84 years / also his beloved wife / Jane Grant / who died / Oct 22 1878 / aged 93 years / natives of Parish Dornoch / Sutherlandshire / Scotland. CE11b - In / memory of / Hellen / beloved wife of / John McKay / died Oct 29 1877 / aged / 44 years. The town was named for Edinburgh and is the old Scottish name for that city. Amond the earliest settlers of Zorra Township were a number of United Empire Loyalists who settled along the fourth concession (road) that runs north and south through Embro. In 1858 the village became a separate municipality by Act of Parliament. The first council meeting was held on November 8 of that year. Members were John Dent, reeve; Robert S. Mann, John Short, John McDonald, Donald Matheson, councillors; John Fraser, clerk; D. R. McPherson, treasurer. The population in 1861 was 551. I'll be happy to do look-ups for anyone in North Embro Cemetery. We are in and out of town, so please allow a few days for reply. Regards, Diane Geddes ------- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version 6.0.250/Virus Databse: 123 - Release Date 5/31/01 ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 3:07 AM Subject: Ontario puzzle! Hi I wonder if anyone in Ontario could help prove a link between the following two families? K1660 WILLIAM MACKAY [1775-30/3/1869] married JANE GRANT [1785-22/10/1878] William, a wheelwright in Riarchar, Dornoch, and Jane (Jean) of Riarchar, married in Dornoch on 13 January 1810 (OPR). They had the following children born in Rearchar (OPR): SOPHER [male], born 1 August 1810 Dornoch; CATHERINE, born 5 September 1811; MARRON, born 11 April 1813 [died 13 June 1900 Canada] [married John Mackay]; JOHN, born 30 April 1815; JAMES, born 1 May 1817; DONALD, born 31 May 1819; WILLIAM, born 9 December 1822; MARY, born 11 January 1825; MARGARET, born 21 August 1828 Achvanbo; BARBARA, born 30 January 1831 Dornoch town. This family left Sutherland in 1835 for Canada settling at West Zorra. William and Jane are buried in West Zorra Cemetery, Canada, where the stone refers to Jane as William's beloved wife and states that they are both natives of Dornoch. K1400 NEIL MACKAY [c1762-16/6/1852] married 1. CHRISTINA MATHESON [died circa 1800] 2. CATHERINE SUTHERLAND [c1786-8/4/1868] Neil and Christina had the following children born in Rogart, probably at Inchcape: ALEXANDER, born circa 1790 [died circa 1841-51] [married Ann Sutherland]; MARION, born circa 1790 [died 1 June 1869 Inchcape] [married Angus Sutherland] (DC); MARY, born circa 1792 [died 11 June 1866 Inchcape, Rogart] [married James Leslie] (DC) and DONALD, born 11 January 1797 Rogart (IGI). Sometime between the birth of Donald and 1804 Christina Matheson died. Neil then married Catherine Sutherland. They had the following children born at Inchcape (IGI): HELEN (Nelly), born 7 August 1805; HUGH, born 25 April 1807 [may have died infant]; ELSPET, born 5 August 1809 [died 24 March 1888 Ardochue, Rogart] [married Colin Mackay] (DC); HUGH, born 5 August 1811; JOHN, born 22 April 1813 [married Catherine - see note below]; ANN, born 12 July 1815; CHRISTIAN, born 28 November 1817 and DONALD, born 18 July 1820. Sometime around 1829 it seems that Neil and Catherine left Rogart for Zorra, Ontario. They may have gone out with Angus Mackay from Inchcape who seems to be a brother of Neil but we are uncertain of this. The Angus Mackay family are documented leaving Inchcape for Canada in a party of thirteen. They did not have that number of children so presumably this figure could include Neil and Catherine. The Sutherland Estate papers tell us that the croft was then taken over by Alexander Mackay, son of Neil. Neil and Catherine are buried in the Old Log Churchyard in Zorra where their gravestone tells that they are natives of Sutherland. The 1852 census at Zorra shows living in a log house with a family religion of Free Church, Donald Mackay, farmer, age 29, single; Christian, age 27, single and the widowed Catherine Mackay, aged 65. Living next to them in a separate household was John Mackay, age 36, his wife Catherine, age 39 and their children Neil, Catherine, William and Jane. The IGI for Ontario shows the marriage of a John Mackay to a Catherine Mackay took place on 25 December 1840 in Brock District, which covers West Zorra. The missing link - is Catherine in the first reference the lady who married John in the second? Is there anyway to prove this? Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Isabella McGregor [mailto:isabella@mcgregori.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 11:01 PM To: Christine Stokes Subject: Ref. Update. Hi Christine, Many thanks for that, I had seached for ages for his death and could not find it anywhere.Sheila passed it on last night, and I did put a thank you note on the list this afternoon to you, but it did not come back to me, and I have had no mail on the list since I sent it, so perhaps there is a fault. Anyway a big thank you, that has solved one problem. Here is something I was going get your opinion on!! I was looking at the census for 1852 Zorra (someone had posted it) John Mackay (son of Neil) and his wife Catherine Mackay(born Scot) their children Neil, Catherine, William, Jane. As Neil and Catherine are obviously after John's parents, could William and Jane be after Catherine's ?? So I had a look on your CD for a William Mackay with a wife Jane, and in your K1660 Wm Mackay/Jane Grant, I found that this family had gone to Zorra too, and amazingly they had a daughter Catherine just the right age to be the wife of John. Do you think this could be her ?? Or is there anyone else researching this family that might know? I do like to give you problems, don't I. Isabella. _____ Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system ( www.grisoft.com <http://www.grisoft.com> ). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). 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Robin - Does ROC stand for Ross & Cromarty? If so, do you have any connection to Isabel Cameron, b. 1797 or 1800, died 1872 in Oxford Co., Ontario? She married Alexander Kennedy in Kincardine, R&C, in 1826 and had William, Alexandrina (Lexie), Donald, Nancy, James and Mary. I believe the first three children were born in R&C, the rest in Ontario. Regards, Diane Geddes ------- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version 6.0.250/Virus Databse: 123 - Release Date 5/31/01 ----- Original Message ----- From: Robin Van Belleghem <rvanb2001@yahoo.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 6:38 PM Subject: Re: welcome to all our new members > Hi Everyone > > I will also ad my surnames again, for all you new > members. My Sutherland Surnames are MacKay Gibson and > possibly McIntosh and I am quite certain as time goes > on there will be more added on. > Well Christine, that snow in New Zealand sounds good > to me, I live in Ontario, Canada and summer here is to > hot for me. > > > Regards > Robin > Sutherland surnames:MacKay,Gibson and McIntosh > ROC surnames:MacKay,Gibson,Munro,Cameron > > --- Christine Stokes > <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: > Hi > > I have noticed that we have yet more new members who > > must be wondering if > > this list operates. I welcome you all and hope you > > will stick around. Up > > until a few weeks ago this was a very busy place to > > be but currently > > everyone seems to be on holiday or just enjoying > > summer here or hiding from > > snow in New Zealand. > > Please post your interests and introduce yourselves. > > It is nice to know who > > is on the list. > > My own interests include Murray families all over > > Sutherland; Mackays and > > Mackenzies around Rogart and Dornoch and anyone who > > is buried in Rogart. I > > am currently working on a history of the graveyard > > there. > > > > Christine > > Highland Hearts > > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ > > <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system > > (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release > > Date: 6/22/01 > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > You may, at times, wish to check out previous > > messages to this list. You can do this at > > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > > > ============================== > > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Ancestry.com Genealogical Databases > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist2.asp > Search over 2500 databases with one easy query! > >

My James MUNRO was born inGolspie in 1825, son of John MUNRO & Eliza SUTHERLAND. He isn't with his family in the 1841 census but appears in Golspie, unmarried in 1851 as a tailor. From there he disappears, not being in Golspie in 1861 nor anywhere in the 1881 census. His brothers Hugh & Joseph came to Victoria Aus in the early 1850's. I would love to be one of those descendants and share some of that bowling club real estate in Melbourne or claim him being a Premier of Victoria but alas I can't find him anywhere. Lizzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Pam Cook <pamcook@inet.net.nz> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2001 9:30 PM Subject: James Munro > The following extract form the book "The Land Boomers" by Michael Cannon > was sent to me some years ago. I am interested in a Donald Munro and his > brother John who lived in Melbourne. They were cousins of my Gt Grandfather > and were from Lairg. > > Melbourne 1880's onwards > > James Munro claimed descent form a baronet of the same name. Was born in > Scotland in 1832. Became printer by trade. At 21 married Jane MacDonald in > Edinburgh & had 4 sons & 3 daughters. Emigrated toVictoria 1858 - became > printer. James was a teetoller, started Real Estate Bank, Federal Bank and > rose to become Premier of Victoria. Depositors invested 2 million sterling > and when the bubble burst Munro hastily had himself appointed Agent General > in London and fled the Colony. Later returning to face creditors & > Insolvency Court. His son Donald became prominent in Victorian Land boom. > Had a successful auctioneer - estate agency with Baillieu - Munro & > Baillieu - lots of noices for land sales with their names in the better > parts of Melbourne. They too went broke. Donald Munro resigned in 1887 > just before he went broke but had to face the courts. > Alexander another son appointed Manager of one of his fathers companies. > son in law Robert Wallam? Balding also in one of their companies. > > Pam cook > Christchurch, NZ > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! > http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 > >

Also posting interests for new members SCOBIE MACKAY MACKENZIE in Assynt, Tongue & Creich Big frost here this morning...should be a fine day ~18c Judy in Qld ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 07, 2001 7:29 AM Subject: welcome to all our new members > Hi > I have noticed that we have yet more new members who must be wondering if > this list operates. I welcome you all and hope you will stick around. Up > until a few weeks ago this was a very busy place to be but currently > everyone seems to be on holiday or just enjoying summer here or hiding from > snow in New Zealand. > Please post your interests and introduce yourselves. It is nice to know who > is on the list. > My own interests include Murray families all over Sutherland; Mackays and > Mackenzies around Rogart and Dornoch and anyone who is buried in Rogart. I > am currently working on a history of the graveyard there. > > Christine > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 > > ______________________________