I have been busy following up the lead from Ron that the burial records were in Dornoch but have to say that they are only from recent times as David pointed out. The old burial records which would have been kept by each church through the mort cloth rentals do indeed appear to have vanished. It was said to me that it may be that an undertaker may have them!! Anyone know who was the undertaker in Rogart between about 1750 and 1890? I have always imagined that burial would have been very much a 'DIY' thing with the local carpenter making a coffin, the minister turning out for the burial and presumably each church having a gravedigger. Stands to reason that there must be stonemasons with some records of the stones they carved and erected but that is not what I am looking for. In the old parish churchyard of St Callan's in Rogart there are no more than two hundred stones - this was, at the time I mention, the only church in Rogart. There must have been a couple of thousand people through that period who died and were interred there with no stone. Surely a record was kept somewhere!! When you study the stones you see a father next to a son - undoubtedly that is that family's plot so presumably grandad etc are buried in that area also. Anyone got any ideas or thoughts about this? Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: DReade2034@aol.com [mailto:DReade2034@aol.com] Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 12:27 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Cemetery Records Sutherland Hi All, I would agree with Ron about the helpful lady at the Council Office in Dornoch, but can't help with her surname. We were there a couple of weeks ago. I did not know that they had maps as well as books, unless they are using the Sutherland M I book by Cowper and Ross as a reference book. I was under the impression that they only had burial record books from about +/- 1900. The Golspie book started in 1897 and Rogart in 1908. As we were dealing with burials which were noted as in the old ground at Golspie, there was no indication of exactly where they were buried. We can only guess that it must have been into a family grave. The book for Rogart was too late for our Jane Ross, nee MacKay, who died in Golspie in 1903, but was not buried there. We guess that she was taken back to her family's grave in Rogart. David Reade ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

I thought you would all like to read about this Mackay. Sorry it is so long. Does anyone descend from this family? K710 GEORGE MACKAY married HELEN SUTHERLAND [1799-1884] [1801-9/3/1885] George in Embo, Dornoch, and Helen in Lonemore, Dornoch, married in Dornoch on 22 February 1828 (OPR). They had the following children: JOHN CAMPBELL, born 1832; JAMES, born 1834; ISABELLA, born 1835 [married George Macintosh – see K1368]; MARY, born 1838; ALEXANDER S., born 1842 Zorra [died 1914] [married Catherine Sutherland] and GEORGE LESLIE, born 1844 [died 1901 China]. Reverend George Leslie Mackay, son of George Mackay and Helen Sutherland was a missionary. A cairn has been erected in the cemetery of the Old Log Church, Zorra, Ontario, remembering this remarkable man: “ To The Glory of God and gratefully honouring the Reverend George Leslie McKAY D.D. 1844 – 1901, Pioneer Missionary Statesman and man of God in Formosa. This cairn was erected with stones from the McKAY home Concession X East Zorra in 1960 by the Presbytery of Paris The Presbyterian Church in Canada”. The reverse reads “ To the Glory of God and gracefully celebrating the 125th anniversary of the arrival of the Rev. Dr. George Leslie McKAY D.D. in Tamsui, Taiwan on March 9th 1872 Memorial Service Oct 18th, 1997 A.D. KAU - HIAP CHU - SEK: KANG ENG - BIN BOK - SU TORONTO TAI - OAH KI-TOK KAU - HOE HIAP – HOE” It is now one hundred years since Reverend George Leslie Mackay died after a brave and interesting life. During the 19th century, when gunboats brought foreign soldiers to Taiwan's shores in successive waves of invasion, the seas also brought Western missionaries who came with hearts full of love. The environment imposed enormous obstacles to carrying out their work, but their efforts left a big imprint on society and resulted in many praiseworthy accomplishments. George Mackay was one such foreign missionary, and his name is still quite familiar to Taiwanese. Mackay was born in Zorra, Ontario in 1844, the youngest of six children. His parents had gone out to Zorra from Dornoch around 1831. From an early age George aspired to become a missionary. In 1871, in the twilight years of the Qing dynasty, when men in Taiwan still sported pigtails and women still hobbled along on bound feet, George Mackay arrived by boat from across the Pacific Ocean. As the first missionary in the area, Mackay faced huge obstacles to accomplish even the smallest of tasks. We can only imagine how hard it must have been. In the view of Reverend Luo Jung-kuang, a Presbyterian minister, Mackay accomplished several very difficult things, including marrying a Taiwanese woman and learning Taiwanese from cowherds. Luo believes that these acts showed how strongly Mackay identified with Taiwan. After studying for five months, Mackay was capable of conversing in Taiwanese. After 20 years, Mackay published a Taiwanese-English dictionary based on his thorough research. Mackay's oldest son William described him thus: "Of average height and burly-chested, he was bold, knowledgeable and energetic. He had dark eyes, and his hair and beard were black too. His voice was strong and piercing, and he spoke with great confidence. He was a gifted speaker and had native-like fluency in Chinese." Mackay opened his first "hospital" in 1873, inviting a Dr. Ringer who served the English business community in Tanshui to help him with the medical work. Mackay's disciples and the students at the Oxford College that he established all had to undergo medical training, so that they would be able to offer medical advice in the course of their work spreading the gospels. In 1880 in Tanshui, Mackay established the first true Western medical facility in northern Taiwan: the Mackay Clinic. Long periods traveling were a special characteristic of Mackay's missionary work in Taiwan. Wu Wen-hsiung, a Presbyterian minister in Kuantu, points out that Mackay spent months or even years at a time away from home. Few missionaries were as enamored of travel as he. Mackay criss-crossed Taiwan his journeys bringing him into contact with Han Chinese speakers of both Hokkien and Hakka, as well as aborigines of both the plains and mountains. Today there are 210,000 Presbyterians and 1,200 Presbyterian churches in Taiwan. These impressive numbers are due in large part to the work done by Mackay. In his 29 years as a missionary in Taiwan, he established 60 churches, each with its own minister. He also established a theological seminary, a girls' school, a hospital, and various other institutions. Mackay always encouraged locals to work at these institutions, but he was a strong leader not given to delegating responsibility. As a result, the local churches relied upon him to make all tough decisions, a situation that didn't change until he passed away. In 1995, Tanshui erected a bust of Mackay. Traces of his life are also seen in "Mackay Street," as well as in Aletheia Street, Tamkang Junior High School, and Aletheia University. The Mackay Memorial Hospital still exists, and the old Mackay residence is now an international academic exchange center. Mackay left his imprint all over Tanshui. Mackay died in 1901 from throat cancer at the age of only 57. He is buried in Tanshui with a cairn in Zorra. After Mackay died, his son George William went back to Canada via Hong Kong. In 1911 he and his wife returned and opened the Tamkang Junior High School. He continued living there even after he retired. When he died in 1963, he was buried on campus in a tomb next to his father. (7/01) Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

Hi Dario, Many thanks for all the info. on the Murray's. If you need any more info. on the family of Louisa Murray b. 28-10-1836 daughter of James Murray and Ann Gunn, get back to me. I have info. on all her brothers and sisters. Isabella.

Isabella sorry for the late reply - it's been a busy week! I'm glad the info was useful - I'm fairly sure that all the children I listed are of the same family. I got all the info either from the records offices in Brora or Dingwall, or from IGI or Scots origins. They are a tricky lot to follow as they moved around so much - obviously a family with itchy feet! I attach below some additional information I have on the family, but with the following proviso. Much of the information outside of Margaret Lyall Murray's line (my own) is unconfirmed anecdotal information from my great aunt Georgie who is my oldest remaining relative on that side of the family (Margaret Lyall Murray's youngest daughter). She used to correspond with the family in Canada although she lost touch some years ago now. I hope that this is useful. If anyone has any more information - or can confirm anything then I'd love to hear about it. Cheers Dario 1 James MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: ca 1852 Occ: Farm servant Father: Sinclair MURRAY Mother: Jane MOWAT James was a grieve (farm manager) at Clynelish. He retired at sixty and went to Canada and started all his sons up in business. James and Elizabeth had a house in Winnipeg and one in Vancouver. A photo exists showing the wooden bungalow as number 231. But street is not known. Spouse: Elizabeth JACK Birth: ca 1853 Death: Canada Father: Donald JACK (1806-) Mother: Margaret LYALL Marr: 1 Aug 1873, Dunnet Children: Sinclair (1874-) Donald Jack (1875-) Margaret Lyall (1877-1968) Jane Mowat (1879-1963) James (1881-) Elizabeth Jack (1882-) Jessie Brodie (1884-) Alexander Brown Lawson (1886-) John Bremner (1888-) Catherine Mennie (1890-) Ann Isabella (1892-) Edward (1893-) Cecilia (1895-) 1.1a Sinclair MURRAY* ---------------------------------------- Birth: 29 Jan 1874, Dunnet They had a small farm called "Greenland" near Castletown in Caithness Spouse: Christina Other Spouses Betty 1.1b Sinclair MURRAY* (See above) ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Betty Other Spouses Christina 1.2 Donald Jack MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: 20 Oct 1875, Bower, Caithness Went to Canada according to Georgie 1.3 Margaret Lyall MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: 18 Sep 1877, Bonar Death: 21 Feb 1968, Brora Burial: Brora Cemetery She owned a Wolseley Ten in 1924 Spouse: Benjamin LESLIE Birth: 2 Mar 1870, Rhidorrach Death: 26 Dec 1927 Father: Benjamin LESLIE (1832-1870) Mother: Louisa MURRAY (ca1836-1921) Marr: 27 Sep 1899, Golspie Children: Christina (Died as Infant) (1901-1901) Christina (1903-1982) James Murray (1904-?) Andrew Murray (1906-1990) Elizabeth Jack (1908-ca1997) Louisa (1910-?) Edith Lyall (1911-2001) Bertha (1913-1999) Alexander Brown Lawson (1915-1985) Margaret Murray (1916-?2001) Georgina Sinclair (1918-) 1.3.1 Christina LESLIE ---------------------------------------- Birth: 7 Oct 1901 Death: 16 Oct 1901 1.3.2 Christina LESLIE ---------------------------------------- Birth: 29 Apr 1903 Death: 12 Oct 1982 Burial: Brora Cemetery Lived in house named Dunstaffnage in Golspie. Spouse: Captain James Hamilton THOMPSON MRCVS Death: 24 Dec 1942 Children: Leslie Lorna 1.3.3 James Murray LESLIE ---------------------------------------- Birth: 24 May 1904 Spouse: Margaret LITTLE Children: Alistair Murray Morag 1.3.4 Andrew Murray LESLIE ---------------------------------------- Birth: 11 Sep 1906 Death: 9 Jun 1990 Burial: Brora Cemetery Spouse: Catherine M CAMERON Birth: ca 1903 Death: 25 Apr 1996 Children: Alfred Margaret 1.3.5 Elizabeth Jack LESLIE ---------------------------------------- Birth: 10 Sep 1908 Death: ca 1997 Known as Bunty. Spouse: Hugh Donald McPHERSON No Children 1.3.6a Louisa LESLIE* ---------------------------------------- Birth: 8 Jul 1910 Spouse: Charles John HAMILTON Death: 19 Mar 1963 Other Spouses Harold WHICHCORD 1.3.6b Louisa LESLIE* (See above) ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Harold WHICHCORD Other Spouses Charles John HAMILTON 1.3.7 Edith Lyall LESLIE ---------------------------------------- Birth: 27 Sep 1911 Death: 13 Mar 2001, Thurso, Scotland Burial: Thurso, Scotland Spouse: Hugh Donald SUTHERLAND Birth: 1919/20 Death: 8 Aug 1959 Father: Alexander SUTHERLAND Children: Alexander Leslie Donald Mackay 1.3.8 Bertha LESLIE ---------------------------------------- Birth: 22 Nov 1913, Hunters Cottages Brora Death: 4 Sep 1999, Newark Hospital Burial: Brora Cemetery Occ: Confectioner and Hotel Manageress Educ: Brora Secondary Modern Reli: Various Known as Bertha Angela Maria and latterly as Gail. Started work in Liptons shop Victoria Rd Brora and then took over the management of the Morrison Bakers Shop in Golspie. Met Alfred in Belmont House Victoria Rd. Her mother. who lived in the house with Georgie, took in lodgers and Alfred came to lodge there after living in the Grand Hotel in Fountain Sq for a short time. Spouse: Alfredo CAPALDI Birth: 5 Mar 1907, Picinisco Death: 18 Jan 1937, Cambasavie Hospital Father: Benardo CAPALDI (1884-1952) Mother: Angela PERILLI Marr: 23 Jan 1935, Kingussie Children: Alfred Bonifazio (1935-) 1.3.9 Alexander Brown Lawson LESLIE ---------------------------------------- Birth: 7 May 1915 Death: 7 Apr 1985 Burial: Thurso, Scotland Spouse: Ella Children: Alan John 1.3.10 Margaret Murray LESLIE ---------------------------------------- Birth: 3 May 1916 Death: ? Feb 2001 Fostered Paul and Ian Spouse: Tom McCABE Children: Arlene Avril Ann Margaret Paul (Foster) Ian (Foster) 1.3.11 Georgina Sinclair LESLIE ---------------------------------------- Birth: 11 Apr 1918 Spouse: Kenneth Rogerson ANDREWS Birth: 15 Dec 1916 Father: Stanley Wilson ANDREWS Mother: Ermintude Spence ROGERSON Marr: 6 Feb 1943 Children: Doreen Rogerson (1945-) 1.4 Jane Mowat MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: 4 Jun 1879, Bonar Bridge Death: 9 Apr 1963 Burial: Brora Cemetery Known as Auntie Jeanie. Lived in the house called Temperence Hotel in Rosslyn St Brora. Spouse: William McKAY Birth: ca 1878 Death: 3 Jun 1915, Clyne Milton Children: James (-1918) Betty Edith Joy Andrew Donald (-1912) 1.4.1 James McKAY ---------------------------------------- Death: 9 Sep 1918, Killed in War 1.4.2 Betty McKAY ---------------------------------------- 1.4.3 Edith McKAY ---------------------------------------- 1.4.4 Joy McKAY ---------------------------------------- 1.4.5 Andrew McKAY ---------------------------------------- Spouse: Meg Children: Michael 1.4.6 Donald McKAY ---------------------------------------- Death: 18 Nov 1912 Burial: Brora Cemetery 1.5 James MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: 16 Jul 1881, Clynelish 1.6 Elizabeth Jack MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: 7 Sep 1882, Clynelish Auntie Lizzie Spouse: William McLENNAN Children: Hector Kenneth Norman Constance 1.6.1 Hector McLENNAN ---------------------------------------- Occ: Dr of Philosophy in London 1.6.2 Kenneth McLENNAN ---------------------------------------- Killed in Egypt? 1.6.3 Norman McLENNAN ---------------------------------------- Occ: Exciseman 1.6.4 Constance McLENNAN ---------------------------------------- 1.7 Jessie Brodie MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: 28 Sep 1884, Clynelish Auntie Jessie 1.8 Alexander Brown Lawson MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: 10 Aug 1886, Clynelish Was wounded in the 1WW. Went to Canada and married an American Indian from Calgary 1.9 John Bremner MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: 13 Apr 1888, Clynelish John was a photographer in Nova Scotia Children: Jack Bremner 1.9.1 Jack MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Jack was a pilot of Wellington/Lancaster bombers during the II world War and was known for his laid back manner and devil may care attitude. 1.9.2 Bremner MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Known as Brem. He was awarded the MM by the RCAF as the youngest airman to be shot down in France and escaped by stealing a German plane - he was decorated by the Canadian Ambassador in London. A spitfire pilot, on his return to Brora he never mentioned the award of the MM 1.10 Catherine Mennie MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: 4 Dec 1890, Clynelish Auntie Katie Spouse: Charles DREWRY Marr: Winnipeg 1.11 Ann Isabella MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: 9 Sep 1892, Clynelish Auntie Annie Spouse: Leonard James BOWIE Children: Leonard 1.11.1 Leonard BOWIE ---------------------------------------- 1.12 Edward MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: 22 Dec 1893, Clynelish Went to Canada according to Georgie 1.13 Cecilia MURRAY ---------------------------------------- Birth: 25 Nov 1895, Clynelish Known as Auntie Tottie. Went to Canada then USA. Georgie had an address of 298 Strand Ave, Pleasant Hill California Spouse: John CHAPELL _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi All, I would agree with Ron about the helpful lady at the Council Office in Dornoch, but can't help with her surname. We were there a couple of weeks ago. I did not know that they had maps as well as books, unless they are using the Sutherland M I book by Cowper and Ross as a reference book. I was under the impression that they only had burial record books from about +/- 1900. The Golspie book started in 1897 and Rogart in 1908. As we were dealing with burials which were noted as in the old ground at Golspie, there was no indication of exactly where they were buried. We can only guess that it must have been into a family grave. The book for Rogart was too late for our Jane Ross, nee MacKay, who died in Golspie in 1903, but was not buried there. We guess that she was taken back to her family's grave in Rogart. David Reade

Sarah I have looked and looked on the web but do not find this form you talk about. I did find a telephone number of the LDS distribution centre in Birmingham on http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/LDS/centres.txt This page may also be useful to folks wondering what film to order from their local LDS http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Library/fhlcatalog/supermainframeset.asp?dis play=localitysearch&columns=*,180,0 If you key in a place name e.g. Rogart, Sutherland, then you get all the film numbers for the census, bdm, etc. Very useful. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:Sethomas@btinternet.com] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:42 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Off-topic Help! I've got the address of the LDS place in Birmingham (UK) which sells CD Roms by post, but I'm sure I found somewhere on the web where you could print off an order form which gave all the available LDS CD Roms and their prices. Am I crazy? Sara ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

Hi Ron Welcome back and glad to hear you had a good trip. Sutherland at this time of the year especially is always glorious. That is good news that those records are held in Dornoch. Seems odd that I have enquired there so often without being told they are there! Even the chairman of Rogart Heritage Society does not know they are there. Do they keep the records that used to be held by the churches - the old, old lists which show those without stones? Did you ask if they have the mort cloth lists which would have been included in the church records? Does Phillipa have a surname? I noticed also the sad state of many of the stones in Helmsdale - breaking up fast. My own great, great grandfather's stone has now fallen over in Rogart - was okay in 2000 - fallen and broken in two this year. I am having it repaired and replaced but still waiting to hear the cost of this exercise. As you may have heard I am working at present on a new book - a history of St Callan's Kirkyard and all those buried there. It is my intention that this book will bring financial aid to save those stones. I hope it works as I have spent ages researching, photographing and writing this work. If anyone reading this has any little stories about anyone buried there or photographs of people please get in touch. Best wishes Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: J. Ronald Patrick [mailto:rpatrick@niagara.com] Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 3:25 AM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Cemetery Records Sutherland Christine: A while ago you asked me to let you know if I find them. I'm just back from Sutherland. Great trip and met lost lost relations there and can fix some of my records now. But, to let you know, the cemetery records are kept by the Highland Council office in Dornoch for the whole of Sutherland from what I could tell. Phillippa is the archivist there and her assistant Ray (female) are both immensely helpful. They will haul out the maps of cemeteries to find lairs; go through or let you go through the books kept for each cemetery. They have all the records because all the cemeteries are maintained by the Highland Council workers now. The one shortcoming in that is they dont touch the stones, and I noticed in two years quite a deterioration in many stones in Helmsdale area. If stomes fall over or break, it is up to the family to fix them. Fat chance that is going to happen on 100 year old stones. So, that's the answer to another question! Regards to all and friends, go to Scotland; the bell heather is blooming in the highlands again. Forget the weather worries; I had great weather everywhere I went in Sutherland and Caithness. Glasgow was brutal. Ron "Ancestors Plant Trees to Shelter Future Generations" URL: http://www.geocities.com/rpatrickca really-big-mail to: PO Box 247, 353 William St., Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario Canada L0S 1J0 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/01 ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Create a FREE family website at MyFamily.com! http://www.myfamily.com/banner.asp?ID=RWLIST2 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

Christine: A while ago you asked me to let you know if I find them. I'm just back from Sutherland. Great trip and met lost lost relations there and can fix some of my records now. But, to let you know, the cemetery records are kept by the Highland Council office in Dornoch for the whole of Sutherland from what I could tell. Phillippa is the archivist there and her assistant Ray (female) are both immensely helpful. They will haul out the maps of cemeteries to find lairs; go through or let you go through the books kept for each cemetery. They have all the records because all the cemeteries are maintained by the Highland Council workers now. The one shortcoming in that is they dont touch the stones, and I noticed in two years quite a deterioration in many stones in Helmsdale area. If stomes fall over or break, it is up to the family to fix them. Fat chance that is going to happen on 100 year old stones. So, that's the answer to another question! Regards to all and friends, go to Scotland; the bell heather is blooming in the highlands again. Forget the weather worries; I had great weather everywhere I went in Sutherland and Caithness. Glasgow was brutal. Ron "Ancestors Plant Trees to Shelter Future Generations" URL: http://www.geocities.com/rpatrickca really-big-mail to: PO Box 247, 353 William St., Niagara-on-the-Lake, Ontario Canada L0S 1J0 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.264 / Virus Database: 136 - Release Date: 7/2/01

This website may be of interest to folk on this list. microfilm of the original marriage registers; about 3,000 marriages now online. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~maryc/ontmarr.htm Mary-Ann Farr searching for James Rose McKay born 1818

From: Lois Beaton [mailto:beaton@cyberus.ca] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 9:39 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-admin@rootsweb.com Subject: MCKAY query I am new to the list and would like to post my interests: 1. George MCKAY, born abt 1808 Sutherland, married Jennet MANSON Jan 27, 1837 Tongue, Sutherland 2. Alexander MCKAY, Aug 4, 1841 Tongue married Euphemia, Feb. 25, 1869, Huron Co., Ontario 2. Janet MCKAY, July 31, 1843 Tongue, married Thomas Gilpin June 24, 1863, Huron Co. 2. Hugh MCKAY, 1845, Sutherland, married Margaret McLeod, Huron Co., Ontario I have not yet made a positive identification of George McKay's birth in Sutherland. It such a very common name. Does anyone have any link with this family? Many thanks. Lois _____ Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system ( www.grisoft.com <http://www.grisoft.com> ). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

Hi Penny; Would you look at this mail that I got from Christine Stokes in relation to the Christy Sutherland that md Alexander Murray, I am looking for the parents of that Christy Sutherland. Any help Frank -----Original Message----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: Franklin Fiske <ffiske@north.nsis.com> Date: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:19 PM Subject: RE: Nancy Murray Here is your info. If you think you are related to this one I have lots on this family: 1-180/1a ANN MURRAY married ALEXANDER SUTHERLAND [23/4/1800-1892] [1790-22/9/1864] Ann (Nancy) was born at Craggie, Clyne, daughter of Alexander Murray and Chirsty Sutherland - see 1-045. In 1819 Alexander, son of John Sutherland and Catherine Reid of Rogart, emigrated to Earltown, Nova Scotia, with his brother John. Together they became known as the “Ballem Sutherlands”. Ann and Alexander, married and settled around Earltown and River John (GM/NS). They had the following children (SUTHERLAND): Catherine, born 1819 [died 30 January 1912 Earltown] [married Donald Sutherland]; Christy, born 1821 [died 20 November 1902 Earltown] [married Angus Matheson]; John, born 7 March 1824 [died 1913 Earltown] [married Margaret Murray in 1857 and had eleven children]; Betsy, born 1826 [died 17 April 1865 Earltown] [married John Sutherland who was born 1809 in Rogart – they had ten children born in North Earltown]; Jane, born 7 March 1829 [died 14 February 1908 Pictou] [married Donald Murray, son of Peter Murray - had seven children born in Pictou]; Alexander, born 1829 [died 1 March 1867 Earltown] [married Catherine Murray in 1863]; Robert, born 1833 [died 29 March 1859 Nova Scotia] [married Catherine Murray in 1858]; Donald, born 7 January 1836; Jessie, born circa 1838; Ellen, born 1840; Mary, born 1844 and Isabella, born 1842. Alexander and Nancy’s first daughter, Catherine, had the distinction of being the first white child born in Earltown. While an infant, she was dipped in a nearby brook by a native woman. This was a tradition of the natives to teach young children to fear water. None the worse for the experience, Catherine lived to the age of 93. (GM) Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Franklin Fiske [mailto:ffiske@north.nsis.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 12:23 PM To: Chris Stokes Subject: Nancy Murray Hi young lady; Maybe you can help with this one; Looking for the parents of and the background of NANCY MURRAY born 1800 [tombstone year] from Rogart, She md Alexander Sutherland died Sept. 22 1864 at the age of 74, native of Rogart. I believe that some how this Nancy is related to the Sutherland's of my click. Frank -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

Help! I've got the address of the LDS place in Birmingham (UK) which sells CD Roms by post, but I'm sure I found somewhere on the web where you could print off an order form which gave all the available LDS CD Roms and their prices. Am I crazy? Sara

Hi I am behind in answering mail! I have looked through my Grant work and can find nothing on this family. If you ever find more info I would be very interested. Thanks Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: Morag Godfrey-Grant & Peter Grant [mailto:morag&peter@godfrey-grant.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 10:41 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Grants in Clyne Importance: High Hi Chris Knowing your interest in Sutherland GRANTS reminded me that several years ago I did some research for a fellow member of the then New Zealand Clan Grant Society. It was a while ago and my notes are packed away in New Zealand (as sometimes I think my memory is also!!), but I'm sure the immigrant ancestor was a Robert GRANT from Clyne, SUT, an early immigrant to New Zealand (c1840?) who became a large runholder in the North Island. He was from a large family of GRANTS and his father (I cannot remember the name) died at Clyne in 1855 (with all that lovely detail on his death certificate of course). There was another brother who was also a very successful runholder in New Zealand and there are many descendants. I believe the two brothers also married two Clyne or Brora brides in New Zealand. Sorry I can't remember more, however I'm sure I could talk my father-in-law in New Zealand into a trip to our storage garage to retrieve the relevant file! Peter Grant London (ex NZ) ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and enjoy access to the #1 Source for Family History Online. Go to: http://www.ancestry.com/subscribe/subscribetrial1y.asp?sourcecode=F11HB --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

***************************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. ***************************************************************************** Caithness newspapers: Caithness Chronicle (Thurso) 1847-1847 Caithness Courier (Thurso) 1866- John O'Groat Journal (Wick) 1836- Northern Ensign and Weekly Gazette (Wick) 1850-1926 Northern Herald (Wick) 1903-1915 Northern Star (Wick) 1836-1839 Most if not all available on microfilm at the National Library of Scotland in Edinburgh. Microfilms also held at Inverness Library and/or Wick. Malcolm Bangor-Jones -----Original Message----- From: Patricia Rawlings [mailto:jessie@satlink.com.au] Sent: 28 June 2001 00:24 To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: newspapers in Caithness ******************************************************************* This email has been received from an external party and has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ******************************************************************* Hi All, I am wondering if there is anyone who could tell me of the newspapers operating in Caithness in the late 1800's and early 1900's. I have a very old newspaper clipping which indicates that my family of Doull's were in the news on various occassions because of their distinguished war serice in a number of arena's but there is no indication that I can read as to where this cutting was taken. At the bottom of the article they say that the photo's came courtesy of the "Aldershot News". How do I access old newspaper archives? TIA. Pat Rawlings ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Search over 1 Billion names at Ancestry.com! http://www.ancestry.com/rd/rwlist1.asp

Hi Liz Many thanks for looking. He will turn up one day - they all do! Noticed your other request for the 1841 Golspie - I did read through that once but only pulled out the Murrays. If you have a local LDS centre you can order this on film. That is how I got it. Pain but worth it. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ -----Original Message----- From: lizzi bell [mailto:lizzibell@bigpond.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:57 PM To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: Gordon lost in Australia Checked the Victoria BD&M discs for your Hugh GORDON's death but nothing up to 1913. There is a site for the above which I have not used. I believe there is a fee. http://www.maxi.com.au/devs/main.maxi?service=5&product=3 Also checked out the NSW BD&M web site but nothing for him re deaths to 1945. http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/ Lots of Hugh GORDON's on the Victorian Immigration site but impossible to tell if any are him. http://pro.vic.gov.au/indexes.htm Lizzi ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Stokes <chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk> To: <SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 6:36 AM Subject: Gordon lost in Australia > Hi list > Just found today that one of my Gordons emigrated to Australia between 1851 > and 1861. He was a single man, Hugh GORDON, born 19 August 1830 at > Cluranich, Rogart, son of Donald Gordon and Christina Mackay. All I know is > that he went to Australia. > If anyone ever spots him or knows anything about him I would be delighted to > hear from you. > Many thanks. > > Christine > Highland Hearts > http://www.highlandhearts.com/ <http://www.highlandhearts.com/> > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > Shop Ancestry - Everything you need to Discover, Preserve & Celebrate > your heritage! > http://shop.myfamily.com/ancestrycatalog > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== You may, at times, wish to check out previous messages to this list. You can do this at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== Visit Ancestry's Library - The best collection of family history learning and how-to articles on the Internet. http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

Forwarding this from the Scotland list as it may prove useful to those seeking emigrants. Christine Highland Hearts http://www.highlandhearts.com/ Hi everyone I accidentally found a way of searching some of the on line passenger lists by name. If you want to try set some *time aside and do the following. 1. Go to the Rootweb home page and enter the name in the global search. 2. when your search results come up (*by the hundred) select those in GENSEEKER. 3. Quickly scan these results looking at the blue title/description for ISTG, these are passenger lists that will have some of your search criteria on them. 4. Click on to any ISTG---- where you will find a ship, its dates/arrival/departure and a PASSENGER LIST. 5. Scroll down the list with your search criteria in mind. 6. If you want to help others! Take a note of any of your surname interests, post a note on the surname list to offer of these notations to others. I have done so on the Drummond list. Bear in mind that any forename entered in the global search will find lists that have that forename but not necessarily your surname and vice versa. Gang Warrily Best Regards Jim Drummond, Kilsby, Warks/Northt's. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

I am posting the following message in the hope that perhaps one of our New Zealand members may know something of Karen’s lost family. If anyone can help please contact Karen of list as she is not a member. Christine -----Original Message----- From: Karen Johnson [mailto:karenandkylie@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:38 AM To: Chris@northants26.freeserve.co.uk Subject: McKay family Hi Christine I wonder if you can help me. I am searching for my gggrandparents who were in New Zealand in the early 1900's and then seemed to have disappeared competely, they are Donald McKay Annie his wife Alexander John or John Alexander Leonard Kitty Annie Jessie Do any of these names seem familiar Thanks Karen Johnson _____ Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system ( www.grisoft.com <http://www.grisoft.com> ). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.263 / Virus Database: 135 - Release Date: 6/22/01

Hello Listers Whilst chatting to my elderly father-in-law yesterday, he mentioned an ancestor of his from Scotland, called Lady Horne. I haven't got that far in my research as yet, but thought I would ask on the off chance some-one on the list has come accross her. Family history is that she was not "recognised" by the family. due to her "over familiarity", with the soldiers. My research is currently in Dornoch. Linda in Adelaide, South Australia

> Subject: MELVICH > Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 08:16:45 +1000 > From: "judy rogers" <jrog44@hotmail.com> > To: SCT-SUTHERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi Everyone, > > Is there someone on the list that can tell me where I would find a place > called Melvich. > > Regards, > > Judy ----------- Hi Judy, Melvich is just west of "Reay", at the inlet by "Portskerry" In "Murray's Handbook Scotland" 1894, it says "...from Reay Village 18 mi...MELVICH*. a dull and uninteresting moor, bare even of heather, succeeds to this, beyond which STRATHY HEAD may be seen stretching out into the North Sea. It is a pleasant relief to reach the edge of this tableland, and allow the eye to rest upon the village of 21 mi. STRATHY* which occupies a pleasantly sheltered valley, well watered by the river of the same name. At its mouth a good number of salmon are netted every year but the stream is too small for first rate fly-fishing. FYI, it says..."Duke of Sutherlands "Bighouse" formerly the seat of the Mackay's, a branch of the Reay family" is in close proximity. >

Hi Everyone, The following are Passengers who travelled on the "HORNET" to Geelong, Victoria arriving 24 October, 1854. It is believed that most are from the Sutherland area. MACKAY Hugh 23, Jane 18 (sister) ROSS Donald 55, Colin 19, John 8, Farquhar 22, Isabella 19 (wife) Roderick 28, Johanna 26 (wife) MACKAY Hector 24, Elizabeth 22 (sister) MACKAY Hugh 24, Mary 22 (sister) MACKAY James 27, Jane 23 (wife) MacCALLUM John 27, Mary 25 MacCALLUM Duncan 24, Marian 19 SUTHERLAND Barbara 26 MACDONALD Mary 21, Isabella 19 MACLEOD Janet 19 MACINTYRE Angus 28, Barbara 23 MCINTOSH Jane 28 MACLEOD Marion 23 MACKENZIE John 28, Isabella 24 (sister) MACKENZIE Isabella 30 ROSS Kennethina 22 KERR Ann 28 GORDON John 22, Ann 21 (sister) MACKENZIE John 24, Christiana 19 (wife) MCINTOSH Angus 22, Isabella 21 (wife) Hugh 23, Marion 24 (wife) CUTHBERT Johanna 21 (Was born in Golspie and was there in 1851) MACKAY James 22, Margaret 24 (wife) ROSS Catherine 20 MACKAY Catherine 20, Christy 25 CAMPBELL Elizabeth 28, Robert 19 If anyone has any questions about any of the above names please contact me. Regards, Judy. _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.