All our local libraries used to have fisces for us to lookup things, now they have computers. This should mean a stack oof fisces are being made redundant, and could be given to volunteers who would use them for historical lookups, if one knew who to ask???/ Elizabeth

Had a look at this site. Very good site but did not see anything about eclipse. Do you have a specific page? Christine www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Sara Thomas [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 03 October 2002 19:57 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] May/June in Sutherland A warning for anyone intending to visit Sutherland next May/June --- book your b&b, campsite or whatever, early! There's an annular eclipse of the sun on 31 May, best seen in Britain from the far north. (So says www.ancestralscotland.com who are basically a tourism rather than a genealogy outfit.) Sara ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002

A warning for anyone intending to visit Sutherland next May/June --- book your b&b, campsite or whatever, early! There's an annular eclipse of the sun on 31 May, best seen in Britain from the far north. (So says www.ancestralscotland.com who are basically a tourism rather than a genealogy outfit.) Sara

Here are a few more Sutherland names in Canada: Golspie, Oxford Co., Ontario Brora, Saskatchewan Strathy, Ontario Dunrobin, Ontario Reay, Ontario Naver Creek, BC

Tombstone Inscriptions in Sutherland, by Cowper and Ross Tracing YOUR Scottish Ancestry, by Kathleen B. Cory My Ain Folk, an Easy Guide to Scottish Family History, by Holton & Winch Scottish Highlanders by Charles MacKinnon - Scottish history re Highlanders and individual clan histories. A History of the Church in Rogart, by The Rev. J. L. Goskirk Sutherland Estate Management 1802-1816 The Highland Clearances by Eric Richards. People, Landlords and Rural Turmoil A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants into England and Wales, Vols. 1, 3, 4 & 5. pub. by Anglo-Scottish Family History Society. Scotland Farewell, the People of the Hector by Donald MacKay. Highland Scots who sailed to Pictou, Nova Scotia in 1773. Canada's Heritage in Scotland, by Martin & Simpson. On the Crofters' Trail, In search of the Clearance Highlanders by David Craig. Uprooted Heather, A story of the Selkirk Settlers by Wemyss Cavaick. Historical novel. A Dictionary of Scottish Emigrants to Canada before Confederation, Volumes 1 , 2 & 3 by Donald Whyte. Genealogical Extraction and Index of the Canada Company Remittance Books, Volumes I, II and III - covers Jan 1843 to Mar 1847. (I've posted Sutherland names on list.) The Women of Red River. Interviews with descendants of Selkirk Settlers to the Red River Settlement, early 1900s. Pat winnipeg

......I've just done a test on it and it worked. I'm signing off now, so hopefully it wasn't a fluke result. Good luck all you late night owls. edward

We have and can look up: Memorabilia Domestica Gage Sutherland Estate Management-2 vols Surnames of Scotland G. Black Celtic Placenames of Scotland w. Watson 51st Highland Division 1914-1918 Major F Brewster The Highland Clearances Mackenzie (also History of--) The Highland Clearances E. Richards Assorted John Prebble Sutherland & Caithness in Saga Time James Gray Chief of Mackay Ian Grimble Scottish Life & Character Dean Ramsay Annals of the Parish John Galt Lion of Scotland Neil Robinson (Norman Mcleod and the Waipu settlers in New Zealand) A History of the Scottish People 1560-1830 TC Smout A Centuary of the Scottish People 1830-1950 TC Smout MIs of Sutherland Cawder & Ross Golspies' Story Margaret Wilson History of Lairg L Ketteringham Sutherland -Illustrated Architectural Guide Elizabeth Beaton Pictish Stones at Dunrobin Castle (and other books on Pictish symbols etc.) The Emigrant Scots James Lawson In Excel on the iMac the following census material: Mackays-Dornoch 1841/51/61/71/ some 81 Mackays Rogart 1841/51/61/71 Mackenzies Dornoch 1841/51/61 Mackenzies Rogart 1841/61 Mathesons Dornoch 1841/51/61 Mathesons Rogart 1841/61 Murrays Dornoch 1841/51/61 Murrays Rogart 1841/61 Sutherlands Dornoch 1841/51 Rogart 1841/51/61 Dornoch OPR: Mackays; Mackenzies; Sutherlands Rogart OPR: Mackays; Dornoch/Golspie OPRS: Gunn; Bannerman Just sent to Christine: Small Tenants lists for Dornoch 1828/34-37/48. Working on: burials in Dornoch Cathedral/ Golf Course 1906-May 1910 as recorded by Ken's grandfather who dug the graves. And of course we all have access to the databases on Highland Hearts and Families of Sutherland. Hope this helps, regards Ann Mackay

There is a Kincardine in Ontario as well, although I guess the boundaries for this presently are not included in Sutherland. Theresa

I would offer to look at the Kent archieves for anyone in Sutherland / Caithness who could exchange for lookups in those areas. Anyone interested? Cathy Goodwin

Hi Edward, There is not currently a coordinator for Sutherland, but I am hoping to recruit one. The "way to go about it" if interested is to contact me and I will provide more details to help you make a decision. Overall I have found that there is a great deal of enthusiasm out there for the project. So far none of my organizers have reported any problems finding volunteers - in fact two of the projects have already assigned out all their parishes for transcription. Regards, Jen >______________________________X-Message: #12 >Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 16:50:52 EDT >From: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Message-ID: <[email protected]> >Subject: [SUT] Scotland Free Census Project >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Are members aware of the above? > >The Scotland Free Census Project is part of the larger UK Free Census >project (aka FreeCEN) that aims to transcribe all UK 19th century census >returns to create an on-line 'free-to-view' database. The project was >launched in April 2002 and to date has 6 active county projects and another >12 due to be underway by the end of the year. Each county project is >beginning with the 1841 census returns and will move on to other years at >the discretion of the county organizer. > >Is there an organiser for Sutherland? Is this something people might be >interested in doing/have the time to do? Does anyone know how to go about it? > >edward Jennifer Gribble Scotland Recruiter & Ayrshire Coordinator U.K. Free Census Project (FreeCEN) http://www.speakeasy.org/~jgribble/scotland.html [email protected]

The Archives of the Canterbury Caledonian Society has numerous aged books on notable Scotttish people I will sort out the list next time round. The two most useful volumes are the Gazettiers for Scotland, we have the 1843 and the 1853 editions Bruce of Christchurch New Zealand

Sutherland names elsewhere? At least one Melness in New Zealand. (Mackays from Tongue). Mary

This is fascinating. All round the world there are many Scottish place names but how many actually came from Sutherland? Would be wonderful to pinpoint them all. I know one of my own ancestors named his farm in South Island, New Zealand, Strathfleet. There is of course Kildonan in Canada. More? Christine www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Ian Cook [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 October 2002 13:05 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] knowledge I am amazed at how much people know and can share with each other. Keep it up......... I am also amazed at how many place names were brought with the people:the same names keep repeating, all around the world...... -- Elizabeth Cook Melbourne, Australia ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.391 / Virus Database: 222 - Release Date: 19/09/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002

Can add a little to a few of the names you list: ANDREW MACKAY married MARRION MUNRO Andrew and Marrion had the following children born in Dornoch (IGI): JEAN, born 11 January 1798; DONALD, born 15 December 1803. ANDREW MACKAY married BARBARA ROSS Andrew in Proncy, Dornoch, married Barbara in Dornoch on 16 December 1796 (OPR). They had a daughter: ANN, born 8 March 1798 Proncy, Dornoch (OPR). Barbara Ross died at Poles, Dornoch on 15 Dec 1826 (OPR). A list of those cleared by the Duchess of Sutherland in June 1811 includes Andrew Mackay at Proncynain. DONALD MACKAY married ISABELLA ROSS Donald, a farmer, and Isabella, both of Riarchar, Dornoch, married on 22 January 1795 in Dornoch (OPR). They had the following children born at Riarchar (OPR): JEAN, born 16 December 1795; GEORGE, born 9 January 1798. The Old Parish Register tells that Donald died at Rearchar Wood on 29 Jan 1838. DONALD MACKAY married ISABELL ROSS Donald of Embo, Dornoch, and Isabell of Rosebank, married in Dornoch on 29 November 1828 (OPR). They had the following children born in Dornoch parish (IGI): ALEXANDRINA, born 11 September 1829; WILLIAM, born 9 March 1831. DONALD MACKAY married ISABELLA ROSS Donald, a house carpenter of Tain, Ross & Cromarty, and Isabella of Upper Skibo, married in Dornoch on 2 February 1841 (OPR). GEORGE MACKAY married ELIZABETH DOUGLAS George and Elizabeth (Elspat) had the following children born in Rogart (IGI): DONALD, born 24 August or October 1797; ELIZABETH, born 17 May 1800; JEAN, born 20 December 1802; JOHN, born 23 May 1807. Hope this helps a little. Christine www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: D & N Blais [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 October 2002 22:26 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SUT] Henderson's in Kildonan, MacKay's in Kincardine Hi, I was on the new version of Scottish Origins and listed more possibles for chinks in my brick wall 1798 Andrew McKAY m. Marrion MUNROE in Dornoch 1798 Andrew McKAY m. Barbara ROSS FR164 in Dornoch 1795 This next entry perked me up as my grandmother was Isabella !! Donald McKAY m. Isabell ROSS in Dornoch 1802 George MACKAY m. Elspat DOUGLAS or SUTHERLAND in Rogart 1808 George MACKAY m. Barbara McKAY in Rogart 1807 Jean / John MACKAY FR 34 m. Janet KIRK FR 1295 in Wemyss 1807 Rob MACKAY or McWILLIAM m. Catharine MACKAY in Farr 1807 Donald MACKAY m. Jannet MACKAY in Farr 1806 William McKAY m. Jean GORDON FR32 in Farr 1805 MACKAY m. Jean MACKAY in Dornoch 1804 John MACKAY oops m. ? in Latheron 1804 John MACKAY m. Ann MACKAY in Farr 1804 James MACKAY m. Betty MACKAY in Farr I have to follow up on these marriages when the IGI becomes more accessible.Can't afford any more certs. as I really blew my budget on Northumberland and Durham lately :-) Been busy compiling loads of info. for our granddaughter's Heritage Project including games , songs, festivals , traditions , recipes , landmarks to add to the photos & family tree back to the 16th century .Lots of reminiscing for the whole family came out of that. Thank heavens for scanners and E-mail :-) Cheers, Dorothy in Qualicum Beach ----- Original Message ----- From: "Henderson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 8:49 AM Subject: [SUT] Henderson's in Kildonan, MacKay's in Kincardine > Looking for anyone connected to George or Christy > > George Alexander Henderson > > > > 1 George Alexander Henderson b: October 20, 1813 in > Kildonan, (HELMSDALE, )SCOTLAND d: April 06, 1888 in KINGSLEY, > MANITOBA > . +Christina MacKay b: March 26, 1808 in KINCARDINE, ROSS, ON THE > ACHANY d: January 24, 1887 in KINGSLEY, MANITOBA m: 1836 > > ...... 2 William M Henderson b: July 27, 1839 in West > Earltown, Colchester Co, NS > +Adeline Brown 1845 - b: March 27, 1845 > m: September 16, 1874 in Truro, NS > > ...... 2 Robert MacKay Henderson b: 1841 in West Earltown, > Colchester Co. NS d: October 17, 1919 in Manitoba > . +Jennie A Hayman b: November 21, 1840 in The Falls, Colchester > Co. NS d: March 06, 1940 in Manitoba m: March 06, 1869 in > AMHERST - Wallace > > ...... 2 Margaret M Henderson b: 1842 in EARLTOWN NS > > .......... +Thomas Miller b: 1842 in Richibucto, > Kent County m: March 27, 1869 in AMHERST > > ...... 2 Kenneth Henderson b: March 23, 1843 in West Earltown, > Colchester Co. NS d: February 17, 1914 in Manitoba > .......... +Emmalinda Wilson b: March 20, 1866 in > Armow, Kincardine twp, Bruce Co. Canada West d: December 13, 1907 in > Winnipeg, MB m: May 05, 1886 in LaRiviere, Man > > ...... 2 Sybella (Sib) Henderson b: 1844 in West Earltown, > Colchester, NS d: 1890 in Boirachan, Colchester Co. NS > .......... +Angus Payne b: 1843 in BOIRACHAN d: > in North River, Colchester Co. m: September 26, 1867 in River John, > Pic. Co. 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Kathy, My name is Dr Guy Sutherland-Barnicoat and I live in Park City Utah, USA and am very interested in the CD about Macdonald's in Sutherland, as my grandmother and a number of my family were Macdonald's from Sutherland and particular, Golspie. The family were basically all fisherperson and were very inter married. I've found the Scotlandpeoples website very helpful recently, even after Scots Orgin got out of the business. You can basically download/print all but the marriage records which to my dismay all cost 10 pounds each as they do not have them on imagery, but they have fairly specific names of the couple and dates. Any help you and/or the group can give me would be helpful. I start with Donald Sutherland/ Annie MacDonald who were married in Golspie January 16, 1807. Annie was born in Brora/Clyne in about 1780 and died in Golspie October 7, 1866, Donald was born in Golspie abt 1780 also. I have them having 5 children all born in Golspie, Janet 10/16/1804; John 5/9/1809; James 1812; Alexander 5/22/1816 and Thomas 1822. Again any help would be appreciated. Finally as my father the Barnicoat is Cornish, and I've been doing that tree, we should be so lucky as the ability to get records in Scotland is far superior to that of the UK..........Guy -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Wagner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 1:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Available Reference Sources Well group My list is small...smile I have the bm of MACDONALD surname in Sutherland from the Scottish Parish Cd the LDS has I have got The Edinburgh Almanack 1831 Ordnance Gazetter of Scotland 6 volumes both were gotten from Archive CD Books and neither cd is searchable so could take a while to do a look up Cathy Wagner ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I have been a volunteer on the Fife list for this Project for ages, but since I haven't got a microfiche or film reader, I've heard nothing from the organisers. So clearly, hard copies are not available. Would they buy fiche readers in bulk and sell on to us cheaply? A small point --- I'm curious to know what guarantees there are that we will continue to be offered free access to the index in perpetuity. A great deal of voluntary labour will be involved, plus cost of hardware. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 9:50 PM Subject: [SUT] Scotland Free Census Project > Are members aware of the above? > > The Scotland Free Census Project is part of the larger UK Free Census > project (aka FreeCEN) that aims to transcribe all UK 19th century census > returns to create an on-line 'free-to-view' database.

Hallo Peter McCrae in Aus. I replied to your email but my reply was returned to me. Address was as given by you-used reply button. Here was my reply to your Rogart Mackays: Here are some possibilities for your Janet (all fathers Mackay): 10/8/1796 Davochbeg: Donald M. & Ann Sutherland 1/4/1798 Pitfour: DonaldM. & Margaret Murray 6/12/1798 Rhine: JamesM & Christian Matheson (Jean) 12/7/1796 Grudy: John M./Helen Mackenzie 14/4/1797 Rhine: Robert M & Christian Grant (Jane) 24/6/1796 Meikle Rogart : William M & Christian Fowler. Any good? regards, Ann Mackay

Despite the large number of Sutherland emigrants to Northern Nova Scotia, there are very few references to their homeland in their new communities. Here a few: New Lairg in Pictou County and found on some maps. However the train and post office chose to call it Landsdowne during the 1900's. New Lairg is preferred by the natives. Berrichan (sometimes spelled Boirachan), a farming community located south east of the village of Earltown in Colchester County. It was vacated in the early 1900's. Spiddle Hill, north of Earltown, was said to have been named after a place in Sutherland. The old church records call it Cnoc na Spidail. An early settler came from Slettill in Strath Halladale which may have been the intended name. Brora Lake is found in south east Pictou County. Cnoc Na Guidh is a hill found near Earltown which was settled by people from Strath Brora who named it after a feature in their home area. Surnames were far more common in naming geographic features. There is a Sutherland River, Baillie Brook, at least three Matheson Brooks, Bein Na Mhathanach, (Matheson's Mountain), MacKay's Brook, Murray Brook, etc. throughout Colchester and Pictou Counties. Glen M. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

There is no organiser for Sutherland. We did discuss this on the list a long time ago. I cannot take this job on as it will be all time consuming and would mean that I would have no time for POSH, managing this list, the web site, our graveyards, washing my hair! Whoever takes this on will have to have a microfiche reader, lots of people to help, and be reasonably computer literate. The software is provided by the main organiser. Here is the latest news I have on the project: "The Scotland Free Census Project is part of the larger UK Free Census project (aka FreeCEN) that aims to transcribe all UK 19th century census returns to create an on-line 'free-to-view' database. The project was launched in April 2002 and to date has 6 active county projects and another 12 due to be underway by the end of the year. Each county project is beginning with the 1841 census returns and will move on to other years at the discretion of the county organizer. I am currently trying to recruit organizers for all open counties, including Sutherland. Organizers are responsible for recruiting and supervising a team of volunteers to transcribe their assigned county. To be an organizer, you just need some time, a computer and access to a microfilm or microfiche reader. All other materials are supplied by FreeCEN, including software, microfilm/fiche, and plenty of advice and instruction. If you are interested in organizing a project for Sutherland or another county, please contact me at [email protected] More information on the project can be found at http://www.speakeasy.org/~jgribble/scotland.html Thank you, Jennifer Gribble Scotland Recruiter & Ayrshire Coordinator UK FreeCEN Project http://www.speakeasy.org/~jgribble/scotland.html " If anyone wishes to take this on please contact Jennifer direct and then let us all know. I am certain that if an organiser for Sutherland can be found plenty of helpers would then follow. Christine www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 October 2002 21:51 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Scotland Free Census Project Are members aware of the above? The Scotland Free Census Project is part of the larger UK Free Census project (aka FreeCEN) that aims to transcribe all UK 19th century census returns to create an on-line 'free-to-view' database. The project was launched in April 2002 and to date has 6 active county projects and another 12 due to be underway by the end of the year. Each county project is beginning with the 1841 census returns and will move on to other years at the discretion of the county organizer. Is there an organiser for Sutherland? Is this something people might be interested in doing/have the time to do? Does anyone know how to go about it? edward ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002

Some of the list have still got the virus. My hubby is an IT bod and I've done the updates with Norton, and scanned my system but when it comes through, as it has just now, we've still not managed to destroy it, just quarantine it. Be careful if you do online banking or anything like that. Apparently hit has a 'key logger trogan' which though I'm not sure what it is, I'm assured by hubby it is pretty nasty. Treat your systems as unsecure until it has finally been killed. Katrina