First, a big thank you to Christine for replying to my request for information on Hamilton's in Sutherland. As you say, there were not many in Sutherland. My James moved to Caithness around 1815, where again there were few Hamilton's. This in itself has been an advantage as it has made it reasonably easy to track the family from there and I have a good tree laid out all stemming from James Hamilton (b abt 1786) from Clyne and Ann Cameroon (b 1788) from Gospie. If anyone is interested in this leg, I would be happy to supply the details. His birth place is noted only from the 1851 census (he died within months of the census) but I am fairly confident it is correct as he married Ann Cameroon from Golspie and I have found her birth records and family. I have found several Hamiltons baptised around the same time period in Clyne (but not my James). Date Father’sName Mother’s Helen Hamilton 26 Apr 1784 Robert Hamilton Isobell Sutherland William Hamilton 20 Sep 1784 Robert Hamilton Christy Sutherland William Hamilton 22 Oct 1784 John Hamilton Janet McKay John Hamilton 05 Nov 1785 Robert Hamilton Christy Sutherland Margt. Hamilton 20 Dec 1790 William Hamilton Katherain Sutherland With so few Hamilton's, my James must be related, probably to all of them but I cannot be sure. I may well have to be satisfied that I can go no further given the sparse records. However, I would like to understand more about the movement of people in the time period. I have ordered the CD on the Sutherland estates and read several books on the clearances. At this stage, I am not sure if he was part of these major upheavals or whether it was just a migration for other reasons. Possibly someone could recommend sources of information on the history of the area which will be helpful. I live in Kent which has an excellent archive of local history and will again volunteer to look up information if it can be helpful to anyone. Thanks again. Cathy Goodwin (nee Hamilton) Kent, England

Hi Listers I am trying to find some info for a distant cousin of my husband who is descended from a Robert McKAY and Christian/Christiana MACONOCHIE/McGECHRAN (possibly McKECHNIE). This couple emigrated to Australia aboard the City of Edinburgh in 1837 both aged between 20 - 26. The information I have is that they were both from Sutherland and both baptized by 'Lewis Rose, Minister'. I wondered if anyone on this list might have access to the Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticae and would be able to look up which church he would have been at around 1811 - 1817? I would be grateful for any other information anyone might have on this couple. Thank you Elaine

Welcome back Sue. You are right to stay awake till bedtime. That is the part I hate most about transatlantic flights! I do hope you took photograph of the marker at the side of the road? Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Sue Mackay [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 07 October 2002 14:22 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] A Little Piece of Scotland in Texas I have just got back from Texas and am endeavouring to stay awake till tonight to beat the jetlag, so have been catching up on the list mail and personal e-mail which has accumulated over the last couple of weeks. Fortunately my son, who had to stay behind to go to college, had the sense to update the virus checker while I was away!! Christine, I will get round to answering your various mails tomorrow, and Katrina this will help to explain why I haven't written to you about the Mathers - I promise to do so very soon. My husband is descended from the daughter of Lachlan ROSS and Hannah MATHER of Eriboll. Two of their sons, John Clark ROSS and William Fraser Mather ROSS, emigrated to Texas and founded a little place called Rossville near San Antonio. On Saturday some 60-70 descendants of John and William Ross assembled in Rossville for a barbecue and Rod and I were given a huge welcome. It was great to meet so many people with whom I had been in e-mail correspondence for several years. Listers may remember that I found valuable information about how John came to emigrate from 'Memoirs of a Highland Gentleman' by Evander McIver. A descendant of John Clark ROSS turned up at the reunion with the original copy of the book sent out to Texas in 1905, complete with newspaper cuttings of the ROSS family that John had pasted inside the cover. There simply wasn't time to look properly at everything that people brought, so photocopiers and scanners are going to be working overtime this week! Rossville was by-passed by the railroad and is now really just a crossroads, but I was able to see the graves of John and William buried there, along with numerous descendants, and several family members who now live elsewhere in the US have already put their own tombstones there, with just the date of death to be filled in, to make sure their relatives know they want to be buried in Rossville!!! A historical marker by the side of the road tells of the two brothers and their journey from Scotland. The temperature was well into the 90s on Saturday so they must have noticed a big difference from Eriboll! We had a two week holiday touring Louisiana and Texas prior to the reunion, and were made very welcome everywhere we went. Maybe New Orleans thought to make us feel at home by sending a deluge by the name of tropical storm Isidore the day after our arrival, but we thought 25 inches of rain in one day was a tad over the top. It was quite exciting wading back to the hotel with water up to our knees, but it had all been pumped away the next day. Here in South Wales places flood with six inches of rain and it takes WEEKS to drain away!! Glad to see the list has still been beavering away in my absence Sue Bleary eyed in Cardiff ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Please visit our NEW POSH web site at www.sutherlandheritage.com ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002

I have just got back from Texas and am endeavouring to stay awake till tonight to beat the jetlag, so have been catching up on the list mail and personal e-mail which has accumulated over the last couple of weeks. Fortunately my son, who had to stay behind to go to college, had the sense to update the virus checker while I was away!! Christine, I will get round to answering your various mails tomorrow, and Katrina this will help to explain why I haven't written to you about the Mathers - I promise to do so very soon. My husband is descended from the daughter of Lachlan ROSS and Hannah MATHER of Eriboll. Two of their sons, John Clark ROSS and William Fraser Mather ROSS, emigrated to Texas and founded a little place called Rossville near San Antonio. On Saturday some 60-70 descendants of John and William Ross assembled in Rossville for a barbecue and Rod and I were given a huge welcome. It was great to meet so many people with whom I had been in e-mail correspondence for several years. Listers may remember that I found valuable information about how John came to emigrate from 'Memoirs of a Highland Gentleman' by Evander McIver. A descendant of John Clark ROSS turned up at the reunion with the original copy of the book sent out to Texas in 1905, complete with newspaper cuttings of the ROSS family that John had pasted inside the cover. There simply wasn't time to look properly at everything that people brought, so photocopiers and scanners are going to be working overtime this week! Rossville was by-passed by the railroad and is now really just a crossroads, but I was able to see the graves of John and William buried there, along with numerous descendants, and several family members who now live elsewhere in the US have already put their own tombstones there, with just the date of death to be filled in, to make sure their relatives know they want to be buried in Rossville!!! A historical marker by the side of the road tells of the two brothers and their journey from Scotland. The temperature was well into the 90s on Saturday so they must have noticed a big difference from Eriboll! We had a two week holiday touring Louisiana and Texas prior to the reunion, and were made very welcome everywhere we went. Maybe New Orleans thought to make us feel at home by sending a deluge by the name of tropical storm Isidore the day after our arrival, but we thought 25 inches of rain in one day was a tad over the top. It was quite exciting wading back to the hotel with water up to our knees, but it had all been pumped away the next day. Here in South Wales places flood with six inches of rain and it takes WEEKS to drain away!! Glad to see the list has still been beavering away in my absence Sue Bleary eyed in Cardiff

Format: Name of deceased, occupation, marital status, date and place of death, sex, age in years unless otherwise noted, father's name & occupation; mother's maiden name [unless otherwise noted], cause of death, burial place, informant. Archibald McNeill is registrar for all deaths unless otherwise noted. Johanna McKAY; single; Dec 27, 1855, Melness; F; 7 weeks; Robert McKAY, fisherman; Catherine MUNRO; died very suddenly; Ferry House Burial; John MUNRO, grandfather. 1856 deaths: John McKAY, shoemaker, widower; Jan 11, Sculomey; M; 44; George McKAY, weaver, deceased; Janet McKay; pains in the body; Tongue; Robert McKAY, brother. George ROSS, Jan 12, Clushuidy [?], M; 6 days; James ROSS, labourer, Williamina McINTOSH; unknown; Torrisdale Burial; James ROSS, father. Murdow McKAY, soldier 78 Foot; Mar 6 at Glackleay [?]; M; 70; William McKAY, deceased; Mary LEVACH; died suddenly; Torrisdale Burial; William McKAY, neighbor. Angus McKAY, soldier, married; Apr 28 at Tubeg, Skerray; M; 82; WIlliam McKAY, deceased; Mary McKAY; general dibility 2 yrs; Torrisdale Burial; William MacKAY, son. Barbara CAMPBELL, single; May 8 at Midtown, Melness; 2; David Campbell, farmer; no mother listed; disease of the lung; Ferry House Burial; David CAMPBELL, father. Donald CAMPBELL, single; May 14 at Clasheddy, Skerray; M; 24; Donald CAMPBELL, tenant; Margaret McINTOSH; Pulmonary consumption 18 months; Torrisdale Burial; Hector McKAY, neighbor. Catherine ELDER [maiden name listed on record], married; Jul 1; at Braekirkiboll; F; 60; Donald ELDER, tenant; Chirsty McKAY; congestion of the lunds 8 days; Tongue Burial; Roderick McKAY, husband. Donald MATHESON, widower; Jul 3 at Modsary [?]; M; 75; Neil MATHESON, deceaed; Catherine URQUHART; general dibility; Torrisdale Burial; John MATHESON, son. Janet McKAY, married; Jul 16 at Skerry; F; 54; George McKAY, deceased; Robertina GUNN, deceased; severe pains in the body; Torrisdale Burial; Nelena MacKENZIE, daughter. Ann McKAY, widow; Aug 3 at Balnafree, Melness; F; 75; Hugh McKAY, tenant, deceased; Effie McKAY; rheumatic fever; Ferry House Burial; Hugh McKAY, Junior. Georgina McKAY, single, Aug 16 at Torrisdale, Skerray; F; 7weeks; Angus McKAY, labourer; Catherine McKAY; no reason cited; Torrisdale Burial; Angus McKAY, father. Betsy McKAY, single; Sep 18 at Melness; F; 33; John McKAY, ploughman; Ann McKAY; consumption 4 yrs; Ferry House Burial; Kenneth MUNRO, brother-in-law. Minnie McKAY, single; Sept 30 at Torrisdale; F; 3 weeks; John McKAY, labourer; Catherine McKAY; cause unknown; Torrisdale Burial; John McKAY, father. John McKAY, single; Nov ---teenth at Melness; M; 4 days; Donald McKAY, fisherman; Christine McKAY; cause unknown; Ferry House Burial; Donald McKAY, father. Hugh McKAY, single; Dec 13 at Daltorrisdale; M; 37; Angus McKAY, labourer, deceased; Effie McKAY, deceased; shortness of breath; Torrisdale Burial; George MacINTOSH, brother-in-law. That's it for 1856. 1857 will follow shortly using the same format. As a note, in about 2 weeks I should have the death records for Tongue for 1859, 1860 and 1863; 1861 and 2 will come later. Karen Kahaluu, Hawaii

Does anyone know where these records are? I haven't been able to find them so far in the ovious Edinburgh archives. Sara

Hope Grant has a good holiday in Wales. Weather here is not too bad for time of year. I am happy that he has decided to do the census. It is going to be a very time consuming job! He will certainly need helpers. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Grant [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 05 October 2002 06:44 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [SUT] Just saying bye to the list for a week. Off on holiday to Wales. Hope I have lots of mail to come back to. I have agreed to be co-ordinator for Sutherland for the Scotland Free Cencus project so wil be begging for help when I return. Grant ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002

Hamilton is not a common name in Sutherland as you have probably already found out. The family below was one of the few and I now wonder if this John Hamilton could be related to your James? I am in contact with two descendants of this family if you feel it is worth pursuing. ANN MURRAY [c1810-5/8/1880] married JOHN HAMILTON [c1786-19/6/1866]. According to Ann's own death certificate, which was signed by her son, James Hamilton, she is the daughter of Robert Murray and Catherine Mackenzie. She married John Hamilton, son of Robert Hamilton and Isabella Sutherland (DC). Ann and John, a farmer, had the following children (HAMILTON) born in Clyne: Robert, born 27 September 1830 East Brora (OPR); Elspat, born 26 February 1833 Dalchalm (OPR); Florina, born 18 December 1834 East Brora (OPR); Isabella, born circa 1834 [married Robert MURRAY - see 6-035]; Catherine, born 10 February 1837 East Brora(OPR); Alexander, born 19 March 1838 East Brora (OPR); Alexander, born 13 July 1840 East Brora [died 15 February 1855 Brora (OPR/DC); Elizabeth (Betsy), born 23 October 1842 Dalchalm [married George Mackay] (OPR/MC); John, born circa 1851 and James, born 8 March 1854 [died 23 April 1908 East Brora, mason, his daughter, Flora Hamilton, signed death certificate] [married Isabella Sutherland] (OPR/DC). In 1841 at East Brora lived John Hamilton, tenant, with his wife Ann and their children Robert, Bell, Florina and Alexander. In the 1861 census we learn that John was now a lotter with a two roomed house. With his wife Ann and their children Ann, Hellen, John and James, they still lived at East Brora. John Hamilton died at East Brora in 1866 from Bronchitis which he suffered from for three weeks. His son, John, signed the death certificate. In 1871 at East Brora Ann was a widow and tenant. Her children Ann, Helen and James were still at home plus two granddaughters, Robina, age 4 and Elizabeth, age 3. Robina is the daughter of Helen. In 1871 and 1881 young Elizabeth was at Achnagarron, Rogart, with her aunt Betty Murray. Ann Murray died from heart disease in Clyne 1880. She was shown as a widow on the death certificate. At one time Clyne was the only parish in Sutherland where Hamiltons were to be found, but some families of that name have lived there for generations. Probably the Hamiltons and the Melvilles of Clyne came North at the opening of the coal pit, for the natives then had no knowledge of mining. It appears the existence of coal in Brora was known as early as 1529. Joseph Macleod in his book "Highland Heroes of the Land Reform Movement" mentions James Hamilton, son of John Hamilton and Ann Murray. This book was written in in 1917 and states that James Hamilton of East Brora, 'a good and true man' had passed away - he actually died in 1908. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 01 October 2002 23:40 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Hamilton's I have been trying to track my Hamilton family and have hit a dead end. I am looking for any information on James HAMILTON born around 1786 in Clyne. He married Ann CAMERON from Golspie and their first son Robert was baptised in Clyne 28 February 1814. They then must have made a move to Caithness where all there other children were born. James died in 1851 in Bower. I can find no record of either his birth or his marriage. Can anyone advise me on likely sources of information (beyond the Scotlandspeople web site which I have thoroughly searched). Many Thanks Cathy Goodwin ([email protected]) ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== Our Member's Interest's site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002

I've just learnt from an account by my (maternal)Mackenzie grandfather that his grandfather James commanded the militia involved in the evictions of the Duchess of Sutherland's crofters at Culrain. Just down the road was my paternal 3xgt grandfather (Gray) and his Mackenzie wife --- poor crofters who probably had friends in Culrain..... I feel very sad. Sara

We have just loaded up a lot of new inscriptions in this burial ground. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002

Hi, Karen A BIG GOLD STAR! As you will have noticed, FOUR of the 1858 Tongue deaths are in Scullomie. They're not in our immediate family and I hadn't yet looked up their deaths.. So you have added enormously to my knowledge. And No.11, the 4-week baby, MARGARET MACKAY, would have been a sister to Malcolm Newlands' grandmother, Maggie, born 1864. Regards, Mary

Christine, I have a book called Sutherland's County of Oxford Gazetteer and directory 1862-3. It lists all heads of families, schools, businesses temperance orders, and a little report about each place in Oxford County, Ontario of which West and East Zorra were townships. West Zorra is now just Zorra township. The book lists four Caulders as living in West Zorra at that time. They are Donald, James, John and John. All lived on the 8th Concession, either on Lot 18 or Lot 20. Donald and James are listed as plasterers. We actually own a piece of land that was a Caulder farm. Hope this helps. Let me know if you need more information. Lynn Zorra,ON Canada

TWO BIG GOLD STARS to Karen for posting all these 1858 Deaths on the site. They are much appreciated Karen. Jessie & Malcolm Newlands [email protected]

I always put my State and Country, especially as there seems to be so many Christines on this list! Christine R. Victoria Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Margaret and Darren Gaven <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [SUT] A Great Idea > I think that is a fabulous idea. I am often curious when I read various > members' E-Mails as to whether they live in Scotland or elsewhere. > Margaret > British Columbia, Canada > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christine Stokes" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 11:12 AM > Subject: [SUT] A Great Idea > > > > Going back to the question of place names it has been suggested to me that > > we could all include our home place in our emails. A large number do this > > already but a greater number do not. A member of our group while sending > a > > photograph to another member suddenly thought that he did not even know > > which part of the world he was sending it to. He was thrilled to later > find > > that he had sent it into Canada. > > It is a very valid point and one I agree with. You will now notice I have > > added my place of residence (only county and country) to my signature. > Will > > you join me in doing the same? > > > > Christine > > Northamptonshire, England > > www.highlandhearts.com > > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 > > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > > Our Member's Interest's site > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > > > ============================== > > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, > go to: > > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Christine, There are many Calders to be found at www. woodstock.library.on.ca, click on Local History and then Index to BMD Notices. Also many in the Ingersoll Chronicle listings. Best regards, Marilyn Hoyte Saskatchewan Canada > One of the daughters of my 3 x great grandparents, Hector Grant and Janet > Duff, married a Calder and went to live in Zorra. > Christine > Northamptonshire, England > www.highlandhearts.com > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cathy Wagner [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: 02 October 2002 05:48 > To: [email protected] > Subject: [SUT] Zorra Twp, Ontario > > Hi all > > Some time ago.....I remember ....there being talk of Sutherland people in > Zorra twp., Ontario > I have a list here of men that held property in Zorra twp in 1892 I will > list their names and ages.....for you all, I only copied the surname with > start of ""M"" and I will only list on here common M surnames of Sutherland > > If anyone wants ....another surname looked up I will be more than happy to > accomodate > > ** Iain take note of the ONE....MCBEATH on the list!! > > MURRAY, Robert living Tavistock age 49 > MURRAY, Neil living Tavistock age not listed > MATHESON, James living Innerkip age 49 > MATHESON, Joseph living Innerkip age 48 > MC COLL Hugh living Innerkip age 44 > MURRAY, George J. living Cassel age 21 or 29 > MCDONALD, William, living Cassel , blacksmith age 55 > MURRAY, Andrew living Walmer age 24 > MCDONALD , John living Walmer, blacksmith age36 > MURRAY W.? H., living Tavistock, Cutter age 24 > MURRAY, Alexander living Tavistock , Carpenter age 91 > MCDONALD, Finlay living Woodstock, farmer age 41 > MCDONALD, Hugh living Woodstock age 39 > McKAY, John living Woodstock age 69 > McKAY, D. G. living Hickson, Clerk and treasurer age 53 > McKAY, Alex, farmer living Hickson age 24 > MCKAY, Durgwall? living Tavistock age 73 > MCKAY, John living Tavistock age 44 > MCKAY, Alex age 23 living Tavistock > MCKAY, James living Tavistock age 57 > MCKAY, Stephen living Tavistock age 22 > MCKENZIE , John living Strathallan, Well digger age 53 > MUNROE, Robert living Strathallan,, labourer age 33 > MCDONALD, Joseph living Cassel age 27 > MCBEATH, David living Innerkip, gentleman age 74 *** > MATHESON Adam McColl, farmer age 41 living Innerkip > MCLEAN, Robert farmer no age listed living Innerkip > MUNROE, MRS. Jessie living Woodstock no age listed > MCKAY John S. living Woodstock , Barrister age 41 > MURRAY, Robert Sr. living Woodstock age 60 or 68 > MURRAY William living Woodstock age 34 > MURRAY, Robert Jr. living Woodstock age 24 > MURRAY James W. living Woodstock age 23 > MCDONALD, John living Woodstock age 35 > MCKAY Andrew living Woodstock age 39 > MURRAY, George A. living Woodstock, farmer age 32 > MURRAY, Robert living Woodstock , farmer age 70 > MCLEOD, George living ????, farmer age 31 > MCKAY, John living S.Zorra farmer age 75 > MCKAY, James living S.Zorra farmer age 30 > MURRAY, A.C. living Hickson age 73 > MATHESON, Donald linving Bernnington no age listed > MURRAY, George living Hickson age maybe 32? > MURRAY Arthur living Hickson age27 > MURRAY, Peter living Hickson age 85 > MURRAY, William living Hickson age 35 > MURRAY, George living Hickson age 42 > MURRAY, Donald living Tavistock age 38 > MATHESON, Alex living Maplewood age 24 > MCLEOD, Mary Ann living Woodstock no age listed > MCLEOD, Anni living Woodstock no age listed > ** both girls listed as spinsters > MCLEOD, William living Braumar age 50 > MCKAY, Alex G. living Braumar age41 > MCKENZIE, John living Braumar age54 > MCKAY, John S. living Braumar age50 > MORRISON, George living Braumar age 49 > MORRISON, Alex living Braumar age 22 > MCDONALD, Jane living Braumer age 82 > MURRAY, john living Hickson age 44 > MCDONALD, David S. living Braumar age 52 > MCKAY William living Braumar age 24 > MCKAY, Robert living Braumar age 37 > MCKAY, Donald living Braumar age 27 > MCKAY, John living Braumar age 25 > MUNROE , Hugh living Braumar age 68 > MUNROE, Peter living Braumar age 25 > MUNROE, Hugh Jr. living Braumar age 22 > MCDONALD, Hugh living Braumar age 41 > MCDONALD, Danial or Dariah living Braumar age 38 > MCKAY, Alex S. living Woodstock age 49 > MURRAY, Robert living Tavistock age 49 > MURRAY, Neil living Tavistock no age listed > MATHISON, James living Innerkip age 49 > MATHISON, Joseph living Innerkip age 48 > MCCOLL, Hugh living Innerkip age 44 > > Now folks this is just the one year...there are many more years or at > least a few...on the film if anyone needs anyone followed up > It also reveals....(if the film isnt too hazy at that point...) what lot and > concession they lived on ...how many cattle they had...how many acres > > If indeed someone has someone on the list ...or another name needed looked > up on this land record film, I will be happy to fill in more information on > that person for them > > > Cathy > > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > To check out previous messages > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go > to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > --- > Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.393 / Virus Database: 223 - Release Date: 30/09/2002 > > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Our Member's Interest's site > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~suthlist/index.htm > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 >

Hi Angi, Thanks for the reply, I have the same details so far and think it does link back to Thomas of Northumberland but am curious about the two Hugh Mather's marrying Campbell's. I haven't been able to work out yet if they are the same person and there was a mistake made in the register with the baptism dates and wife's christian names or there were two Hugh's born! Do you have any idea's??? Katrina, London, England ----- Original Message ----- From: "Angi Lamb" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 05, 2002 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [SUT] Posting Interests > Hi Katrina, Ian > > From the records I downloaded from the IGI before it became temporarily > unavailable I have > > MATHERS James marrying CAMPBELL Hughina 1834/4/18 at Durness. > > And > MATHER Thomas christened 1835/5/16 James MATHER and ? CAMPBELL > MATHERS Hugh christened 1838/8/24 parents James MATHERS and Hughina CAMPBELL > MATHERS Hugh christened 1838/8/29 parents James MATHERS and Barbara > CAMPBELL > MATHER Jane Scobie christened 1840/10/3 parent James MATHER > MATHER Mary christened 1843/1/13 parents James MATHER and Hughina CAMPBELL > MATHER Robert christened 1845/7/1 parents James MATHER and Hughina CAMPBELL > > James MATHERS may be the son of Thomas MATHER born in 1811: > > 1. Thomas Mather (b.1783-Redwater,Northumberland,England;d.14 Jun > 1852-Durness) > sp: Janet Crawford (m.9 Jun 1805,Rothbury,Northumberland) > 2. Edward Mather (c.12 Nov 1806-Durness) > sp: Margaret Mc Donald > 2. John Mather (c.25 May 1809-Durness;d.5 Nov 1852-Quarantine stn,Point > Nepean,Victoria,Australia) > sp: Dolina Dingwall (c.10 Sep 1803-Durness;m.13 Feb > 1829;d.1886-Homebush,Victoria,Australia) > [Dolina may be the niece of my 4th great grandmother] > 2. James Mather (c.5 Nov 1811-Durness) > 2. Margaret Mather (c.5 Apr 1814-Durness;d.Abt 22 Apr 1816-Durness) > 2. Robert Mather (c.18 Aug 1816-Durness) > sp: Ket MacKenzie > 2. Hannah Mather (c.21 Jan 1815-Durness;d.28 Jun 1872-Eriboll) > sp: Lachlan Ross (b.1791-Kincardine,Ross;m.1 Feb 1840;d.4 May > 1879-Thurso,Caithness) > > McKAY Janet christened 1834/2/22 parents Donald McKAY and Janet SUTHERLAND > McKAY Georgina christened 1836/9/5 parents Donald McKAY and Janet SUTHERLAND > McKAY Barbara christened 1839/3/19 parents Donald McKAY and Janet SUTHERLAND > > They may or may not link in. Difficult to say with McKays making up 25% of > the population and Sutherlands 10% in Durness. > > Don't have any of the later ones in my database. > > Angi > > >From: "Ian Morrison" <[email protected]> > > I do have Mathers, Mackays, and Sutherlands (from Durness > area) in my tree or, more accurately, in Angi Lamb's tree: however, the > first names and the dates of birth are different. When I can get back on to > the IGI, I will check for siblings. > > > From: katrina.halsey > > Hughina Catherine Mather born 1.1.1871 to Barbara McKay and Hugh Mather > under Durness registrar, either Tongue or Farr. Hughina married John > McDougall of Ardgartan Argyll on 3.1.1891 at Tairlogie Lodge, Tain, Ross > after having their first child 3.6.1890 at Tairlogie Lodge, Tain. > > Hughina's siblings are Georgina J Mather b 1868 > > Jamesina Mather b 1876 > > Mary M Mather b 1879 > > Barbara McKay b 19.3.1939 to Donald Mckay and janet Sutherland. > > Hugh Mather b August 1839 to James Mathers and ? Campbell. > > > ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== > Please visit our NEW POSH web site at > www.sutherlandheritage.com > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > >

Just saying bye to the list for a week. Off on holiday to Wales. Hope I have lots of mail to come back to. I have agreed to be co-ordinator for Sutherland for the Scotland Free Cencus project so wil be begging for help when I return. Grant

Hi Katrina, Ian From the records I downloaded from the IGI before it became temporarily unavailable I have MATHERS James marrying CAMPBELL Hughina 1834/4/18 at Durness. And MATHER Thomas christened 1835/5/16 James MATHER and ? CAMPBELL MATHERS Hugh christened 1838/8/24 parents James MATHERS and Hughina CAMPBELL MATHERS Hugh christened 1838/8/29 parents James MATHERS and Barbara CAMPBELL MATHER Jane Scobie christened 1840/10/3 parent James MATHER MATHER Mary christened 1843/1/13 parents James MATHER and Hughina CAMPBELL MATHER Robert christened 1845/7/1 parents James MATHER and Hughina CAMPBELL James MATHERS may be the son of Thomas MATHER born in 1811: 1. Thomas Mather (b.1783-Redwater,Northumberland,England;d.14 Jun 1852-Durness) sp: Janet Crawford (m.9 Jun 1805,Rothbury,Northumberland) 2. Edward Mather (c.12 Nov 1806-Durness) sp: Margaret Mc Donald 2. John Mather (c.25 May 1809-Durness;d.5 Nov 1852-Quarantine stn,Point Nepean,Victoria,Australia) sp: Dolina Dingwall (c.10 Sep 1803-Durness;m.13 Feb 1829;d.1886-Homebush,Victoria,Australia) [Dolina may be the niece of my 4th great grandmother] 2. James Mather (c.5 Nov 1811-Durness) 2. Margaret Mather (c.5 Apr 1814-Durness;d.Abt 22 Apr 1816-Durness) 2. Robert Mather (c.18 Aug 1816-Durness) sp: Ket MacKenzie 2. Hannah Mather (c.21 Jan 1815-Durness;d.28 Jun 1872-Eriboll) sp: Lachlan Ross (b.1791-Kincardine,Ross;m.1 Feb 1840;d.4 May 1879-Thurso,Caithness) McKAY Janet christened 1834/2/22 parents Donald McKAY and Janet SUTHERLAND McKAY Georgina christened 1836/9/5 parents Donald McKAY and Janet SUTHERLAND McKAY Barbara christened 1839/3/19 parents Donald McKAY and Janet SUTHERLAND They may or may not link in. Difficult to say with McKays making up 25% of the population and Sutherlands 10% in Durness. Don't have any of the later ones in my database. Angi >From: "Ian Morrison" <[email protected]> > I do have Mathers, Mackays, and Sutherlands (from Durness area) in my tree or, more accurately, in Angi Lamb's tree: however, the first names and the dates of birth are different. When I can get back on to the IGI, I will check for siblings. > From: katrina.halsey > Hughina Catherine Mather born 1.1.1871 to Barbara McKay and Hugh Mather under Durness registrar, either Tongue or Farr. Hughina married John McDougall of Ardgartan Argyll on 3.1.1891 at Tairlogie Lodge, Tain, Ross after having their first child 3.6.1890 at Tairlogie Lodge, Tain. > Hughina's siblings are Georgina J Mather b 1868 > Jamesina Mather b 1876 > Mary M Mather b 1879 > Barbara McKay b 19.3.1939 to Donald Mckay and janet Sutherland. > Hugh Mather b August 1839 to James Mathers and ? Campbell.

Thanks for that, Christine. Sara ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christine Stokes" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, October 04, 2002 8:06 PM Subject: [SUT] Obituary > Excerpts from the obituary printed in this week's paper for Mr William > George Balfour Gunn, Brora: ... >Christine

Cathy, absolutely only when you have time but if there are any Calders on this list would love the info. One of the daughters of my 3 x great grandparents, Hector Grant and Janet Duff, married a Calder and went to live in Zorra. I have information on them including a wonderful photograph of their tombstone which a member took for me but would love to find out if there kids continued to live in Zorra. Christine Northamptonshire, England www.highlandhearts.com www.sutherlandheritage.com -----Original Message----- From: Cathy Wagner [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 02 October 2002 05:48 To: [email protected] Subject: [SUT] Zorra Twp, Ontario Hi all Some time ago.....I remember ....there being talk of Sutherland people in Zorra twp., Ontario I have a list here of men that held property in Zorra twp in 1892 I will list their names and ages.....for you all, I only copied the surname with start of ""M"" and I will only list on here common M surnames of Sutherland If anyone wants ....another surname looked up I will be more than happy to accomodate ** Iain take note of the ONE....MCBEATH on the list!! MURRAY, Robert living Tavistock age 49 MURRAY, Neil living Tavistock age not listed MATHESON, James living Innerkip age 49 MATHESON, Joseph living Innerkip age 48 MC COLL Hugh living Innerkip age 44 MURRAY, George J. living Cassel age 21 or 29 MCDONALD, William, living Cassel , blacksmith age 55 MURRAY, Andrew living Walmer age 24 MCDONALD , John living Walmer, blacksmith age36 MURRAY W.? H., living Tavistock, Cutter age 24 MURRAY, Alexander living Tavistock , Carpenter age 91 MCDONALD, Finlay living Woodstock, farmer age 41 MCDONALD, Hugh living Woodstock age 39 McKAY, John living Woodstock age 69 McKAY, D. G. living Hickson, Clerk and treasurer age 53 McKAY, Alex, farmer living Hickson age 24 MCKAY, Durgwall? living Tavistock age 73 MCKAY, John living Tavistock age 44 MCKAY, Alex age 23 living Tavistock MCKAY, James living Tavistock age 57 MCKAY, Stephen living Tavistock age 22 MCKENZIE , John living Strathallan, Well digger age 53 MUNROE, Robert living Strathallan,, labourer age 33 MCDONALD, Joseph living Cassel age 27 MCBEATH, David living Innerkip, gentleman age 74 *** MATHESON Adam McColl, farmer age 41 living Innerkip MCLEAN, Robert farmer no age listed living Innerkip MUNROE, MRS. Jessie living Woodstock no age listed MCKAY John S. living Woodstock , Barrister age 41 MURRAY, Robert Sr. living Woodstock age 60 or 68 MURRAY William living Woodstock age 34 MURRAY, Robert Jr. living Woodstock age 24 MURRAY James W. living Woodstock age 23 MCDONALD, John living Woodstock age 35 MCKAY Andrew living Woodstock age 39 MURRAY, George A. living Woodstock, farmer age 32 MURRAY, Robert living Woodstock , farmer age 70 MCLEOD, George living ????, farmer age 31 MCKAY, John living S.Zorra farmer age 75 MCKAY, James living S.Zorra farmer age 30 MURRAY, A.C. living Hickson age 73 MATHESON, Donald linving Bernnington no age listed MURRAY, George living Hickson age maybe 32? MURRAY Arthur living Hickson age27 MURRAY, Peter living Hickson age 85 MURRAY, William living Hickson age 35 MURRAY, George living Hickson age 42 MURRAY, Donald living Tavistock age 38 MATHESON, Alex living Maplewood age 24 MCLEOD, Mary Ann living Woodstock no age listed MCLEOD, Anni living Woodstock no age listed ** both girls listed as spinsters MCLEOD, William living Braumar age 50 MCKAY, Alex G. living Braumar age41 MCKENZIE, John living Braumar age54 MCKAY, John S. living Braumar age50 MORRISON, George living Braumar age 49 MORRISON, Alex living Braumar age 22 MCDONALD, Jane living Braumer age 82 MURRAY, john living Hickson age 44 MCDONALD, David S. living Braumar age 52 MCKAY William living Braumar age 24 MCKAY, Robert living Braumar age 37 MCKAY, Donald living Braumar age 27 MCKAY, John living Braumar age 25 MUNROE , Hugh living Braumar age 68 MUNROE, Peter living Braumar age 25 MUNROE, Hugh Jr. living Braumar age 22 MCDONALD, Hugh living Braumar age 41 MCDONALD, Danial or Dariah living Braumar age 38 MCKAY, Alex S. living Woodstock age 49 MURRAY, Robert living Tavistock age 49 MURRAY, Neil living Tavistock no age listed MATHISON, James living Innerkip age 49 MATHISON, Joseph living Innerkip age 48 MCCOLL, Hugh living Innerkip age 44 Now folks this is just the one year...there are many more years or at least a few...on the film if anyone needs anyone followed up It also reveals....(if the film isnt too hazy at that point...) what lot and concession they lived on ...how many cattle they had...how many acres If indeed someone has someone on the list ...or another name needed looked up on this land record film, I will be happy to fill in more information on that person for them Cathy ==== SCT-SUTHERLAND Mailing List ==== To check out previous messages http://archiver.rootsweb.com/SCT-SUTHERLAND-L/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. 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